DeMarcus Cousins Benched for Choke Taunt
by Tom Ziller on Dec 22, 2010 4:13 PM PST
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PrintSurely this will be the move that turns DeMarcus Cousins into a stately professional.
The Kings have fined and benched Cousins for his choke taunt toward Reggie Williams late in Tuesday's debacle. The Bee's Jason Jones tweets that coach Paul Westphal said Cousins won't start again until he shows he can be more professional. In response, Cousins reportedly said he didn't think he would have been punished had the Kings held on to win.
That question is unanswerable. But this latest episode reveals a pretty solid fact: Paul Westphal has no clue how to handle Cousins.
No one raised an issue with Westphal over the time Cousins got fined for arguing with assistant coaches, or kicked out of practice for the same. I, along with (I think) most other fans, think Westphal should be allowed to run this ship with freedom. Even if the ship is being run into iceberg after iceberg.
But Cousins was among those who understood those previous punishments. You can't scream at coaches. You can't. But this time -- that first quote Jones tossed out from DMC? That ain't a dude who understands why he was punished. And the line about Cousins starting again when he shows he can be more professional?
Sing it to Reggie Miller, Paul.
Cousins' premature and inappropriate gesture is embarrassing, sure. To Cousins. And he's suffered for it, and will continue to suffer for it. (Especially when he visits Oakland. Those hecklers will eat alive him.)
But you know what's embarrassing to the organization and fans? This team's performance. The team's record. The team's inability to rotate back on defense, or rotate out on defense, or move the ball regularly on offense, or push the fast break, or finish plays, or finish games. As a fan, I'm a helluva lot more frustrated by all of that than a 20-year-old making a dumb choking gesture at an opponent in the throes of a contested, dramatic game.
Cousins' gesture did not affect one tiny bit of on-court action, puts absolutely no one in danger, and broke absolutely no rules. (Unless, of course, Westphal has a secret "no choking gestures" rule. Which would be kinda funny, actually.) Benching Cousins? That will affect on-court action. And it'll affect Cousins' relationship with the coach and organization. And that affects fans.
What has Westphal done with Cousins that has actually worked? Can anyone name one thing? And now, this kid is being benched for ill-planned gamesmanship during a fricking free throw. Benched! I know Westphal likes to emphasize that he's the big cheese, but this neo-Napoleon gimmick is biology teacher coaching the junior varisty squad bologna/baloney. We get it, Paul. You're the coach, and you have the power. Perhaps you should try using it to get your team to play defense instead of leveraging it to legislate a man's emotions. Damn.
Furthermore, since when is a starting role is a carrot and not a job? Does Westphal to win? This DNP-CD to starter to DNP-CD nonsense tickled this issue as well, but this sends it over the cliff. You're punishing Cousins for a lack of professionalism on the court in dealing with an opponent by taking him out of the starting lineup? Politics and posturing is deciding the Kings starting lineup. Awesome. Way to go, coach.
Where's that f--king PBJ?
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I suppose I would ask this:
In response to this incident, what would YOU do?
What actions do you feel would prevent Cousins from ever doing anything this silly again?
Do you actually believe your actions would be effective? Really?
Really?
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Which I will eat.
No, it's cool. Gives me caché.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
Yeah cuz you really lack cache.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
agree with Sims and would go further: this post is just plain silly
He made a class-less and unprofessional gesture, and so the coach is telling him he won’t start until he learns to behave in a professional manner. A fine is a penalty, but it’s just money, and this is about more than money, this is about representing an organization and a city in the right way. So you tell the kid, we’re not trotting you out in our starting five, announcing your name over the PA like your a hero if you don’t know how to act when you’re out there.
Seems rational.
But the kid seems confused by it. So? I guess that just means the dialogue will continue. I don’t have to make the obvious point that the kid would seem equally confused by the fine which you endorse.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Dec 22, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't have a specific answer to my own questions.
You do your best, and hope the kid learns. He will or he won’t.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
I don't quite blame TZ for the post.
It does seem like PW has a Napoleon complex despite the fact he’s 6’4.
That said, I don’t think it matters. You can take a side on either side of the fence on this one. It’s just another example how this early season has magnified how difficult it is to deal with the youth this team has possessed. Worse, getting them to understand their talents and figuring out to mesh them appropriately seems simple as hell on paper. Then, oh yeah, you gotta go out & do it on the court.
Sometimes it’s good to vent.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Me?
Nothing.
He embarrassed himself. He will receive the backlash, as he did today. I bet he felt like an idiot after the game.
by Tom Ziller on Dec 22, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The loss itself
Was punishment enough. That was a bad, bad, baaaaaad loss.
I was uncool before it was cool
Agreed. Let the kid look like an ass, but don't highlight it further.
He won’t be doing this anytime soon, trust me. Especially after that missed rebound with two seconds left.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
There is no way to be sure
but we have a lot of examples of immaturity, so while he might not make a choke sign again, you can bet it will be something else.
The voice of sanity and maturity.
I agree with you that he probably embarrassed himself, especially with the newspaper headlines. It is a learning experience. He doesn’t need any more punishment. PW is risking his rapport and trust with his young player, by publicly punishing him.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
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what would you do?
nothing!just tell the kid don’t do that again or else.we are going to need him tonight the bucks just beat the fakers!!!
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Dec 23, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
I still don't understand Demarcus' contention:
His defense seems to be, “it’s not because I was a turd, it’s because I sucked!”
Personally, I am all for Westphal finishing out the season
But this is really getting ridiculous… DeMarcus should not be benched for that gesture, I think Westphal is making DeMarcus the scapegoat for the loss
I hope you guys aren't trying to have me get a virus, thats f'd up - MarcusC
by slamson on Dec 22, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I think DeMarcus made DeMarcus the scapegoat for the loss
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
-#38
To me,
and nobody can change my mind,
it’s Carl Landry for fouling the 3pt shooter for the 2nd time in 60 seconds.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 22, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
There is plenty of blame to go around for last night's game
Including some for Carl
But Carl screwed up on basketball plays while DMC screwed up on basketball plays then openly mocked the other team for choking. Irony, thy name is DeMarcus.
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
-#38
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by section214 on Dec 22, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That's better than dancing human GIF's.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 22, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
watch out for jam
he’s a sly bastard
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe PB&J will give DMC the energy to make a low post move effectively.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Regardless of how PW handles this, that was a classless move by Cousins
The kid must be somewhat oblivious too, because why would someone who’s on a team with five wins mock another team in any way?
The kid has got a LLLLLOOOTTTT of growing up to do and is going to learn some hard lessons along the way. Hopefully he doesn’t hold those who teach him the lessons(Kings organization) against him.
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
-#38
It's basically doing a touchdown dance when you're down 38 points.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Dec 22, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No seriously, where's cowboyron?
While I find the Reggie Miller comparison to be a bit much (Miller was already Reggie Miller by then in both stature in the L and reptatuon as a dick. DMC’s a rook finding his way) I agree with the general sentiment of this post. Boogie should have been fined, but his benching foreshadows a looming battle between the biggest ego on the team and someone who can’t keep his opinion to himself. If Westphal wants to draw a line in the sand, he’s gonna lose.
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Dec 22, 2010 4:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Cowboyron is gonna love this post, I could already hear him
’ Fire westfail.hes lost the team.im so sick of the losing.we should of drafted udoh.the magoofs are to cheap to spend on real talent ’
I hope you guys aren't trying to have me get a virus, thats f'd up - MarcusC
by slamson on Dec 22, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a little concerned at how good you are at that Slamson
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
-#38
by kangsfan on Dec 22, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I've read almost all of his comments lol
I hope you guys aren't trying to have me get a virus, thats f'd up - MarcusC
just the fact's gumball....
her i am what to be slamson and muffdiver……roll the dice….
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Dec 23, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd, for being the absolute best at being you.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 23, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
I rec'd cowboyron once
it was a harrowing and life changing experience for me
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wanted to rec something by cowboyron once...
…and my brain responded by telling me that I would burn in hell if I did.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 23, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
"Miller was already Reggie Miller by then in both stature in the L and reptatuon as a dick."
plus Miller did it in the heat of a moment in a playoff game against a fan who had been heckling him all night.
Cousins’ deed was while everyone was ho humming it at the line and it was toward Reggie Williams and Dorell Wright. it seems like a stretch to assume that somehow these two swingmen were berating Cousins all game long.
by the evil monkey on Dec 22, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Unless, of course, Westphal has a secret “no choking gestures” rule. Which would be kinda funny, actually.
…I wouldn’t blame P.J. Carlesimo for instituting such a rule with his teams.
by unfair weather on Dec 22, 2010 4:27 PM PST reply actions 9 recs
larry brown?
nah the malofs do not want to spend money on a good coach.as long as people are buying tickets westfall stays….what a shame…
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Dec 23, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Respectfully disagree
Musselman lasted a year, Theus a year and a half, Natt a half season. So apparently, the Kings will make coaching changes independent of people buying tickets.
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That wouldn't be an issue
PW would be too afraid to bench him. I wouldn’t blame him
"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty
I knew it was coming
As soon as DMC made that gesture I knew there would be reprecussions. He just does not represent himself. He represents the King’s organization and maybe more importantly the Maloofs themselves. If I was the owner, no way in hell do I allow an employee of mine to embarrass the organization the way DMC did. In addition, I would hope that employee’s direct supervisor would not allow either. This may not just be PW’s decision either, there may some combo of upper management and ownership. You can not just assume it was all PW.
by noreboundsnorings on Dec 22, 2010 4:36 PM PST reply actions
Ailene Voisin agrees with you TZ.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Burn.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Dec 22, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In which hell?
The real one or with other Kings fans watching this team?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
OK, forgot that
I can see most of you disagree with me. That’s cool. But how about this: Mario Elie has admitted to driving under the influence. He admitted he was over the limit and had a few drinks. He was arrested. He embarrassed the franchise.
Where’s his punishment?
He hasn't started a single game since.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Dec 22, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 11 recs
Rec'd.
Awesome Holmdel.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I do think your points are completely valid and correct
Who is running the show? We already saw a player benched last year for speaking to the media, when other players said similar things and we not publicly rebuked. The quotes about the players having to please him, the yanking around of starters (this season must be a record of players on a roster that have started and dnp-cd), it has been utterly ridiculous. Making DMC a substitute as a penalty? Sit him a game, like he did Spencer. How is making our starting line up weaker supposed to teach DMC about professionalism?
Some posters say hold on to Westphal because they cannot think of an alternative. Sometimes, there is addition by subtraction, and having an influence other than PW would be good for the team at this point.
I hear chest bumps solve everything
I wonder if DMC has learned how to make a proper sandwhich. Wait a second … did me make a … PB&J!!!
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
ug
“did he make”
Sad joke fail
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'll drink to that
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by section214 on Dec 22, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with Ziller but this is too funny not to rec
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
If we're talking about consistency
You’re correct. That doesn’t necessarily make the team wrong about Cousins, but it might make them wrong about Elie.
If the Elie decision came first ...
… then that makes them wrong about Cousins. Unless we missed today’s announced punishment of Elie.
Exactly
Same thing with the huge balls gesture Tyreke through out last year. Its very inconsistent leadership, once again.
I was uncool before it was cool
I think this is worse than Tyreke's "huge balls" gesture.
That one was “Look at me. Look how great I am!” It was immature, but not offensive.
DMC’s was more like “Ha Ha, you suck.”, like the kid on the Simpson’s. Personally, I find DMC’s gesture poor sportsmanship and more offensive.
by fryingpan136 on Dec 22, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Are you shitting me?
Don’t get me wrong, I personally don’t think either is a big deal at all but come on it is not just “Look at me. Look how great I am!” Same with screaming over and over again “This is my house!” on the road as well.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure why the chronology matters at all
Two people in the Kings organization did something to embarrass the franchise. One was disciplined publicly, one was not. So there’s inconsistency – but aren’t you saying the Kings can’t really discipline anyone after letting Elie slide?
I could just as easily say they screwed up on Elie because they suspended Artest after his domestic incident. So punishing Cousins is more in line with the Kings historically.
Curious
If Elie was actually “convicted” of DUI yet. Maybe the fine, or whatever punishment, is being held off until that comes to fruition….
I was uncool before it was cool
Chronology sets a precedent
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Where's the line then?
Because Elie wasn’t disciplined (and we don’t know that he won’t be down the road), you can’t discipline anyone?
Additionally, situation matters
What DeMarcus is doing right now may well be unprecedented for a Kings player. So the discipline for DeMarcus may have to be different.
In my mind that may have cost him a chance at being PW's replacement
But I am surprised that I haven’t heard of any fines, although they may have occurred behind closed doors.
DMC displayed his foolishness in front of everyone on TV, which calls for a public response. Clearly though the kid doesn’t get it.
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
-#38
I agree 100%
Great post!
If you treat him like a child, he is going to act like a child. Benching him is the equivalent of sending your 8 year old to bed early for not finishing the last green bean on his plate. A fine and a warning, and dealing with him in an adult manner was the obvious course of action. At once I see PW as someone with weak resolve, so my guess is he plays close to 30 minutes next game. And starts the following. It is just silliness. And self-inflicted harm to his longevity as coach.
by bench_blob on Dec 22, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't disagree, but...
(Me and my big but.)
Cousins is being fined. So, how is a fine and no benching more of a disincentive than a fine and benching?
The larger question, I suppose is, if you aren’t warning him against a loss of playing time, what are you holding over his head? What can you hold over his head?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
Repeated instances...
of unsportsmanlike behavior would be grounds for additional fine AND benching. If we saw a pattern of taunting opponents after this incident, for example, if it was to happen again 5 or 10 games later, after coach and player had pointed words that it was unacceptable conduct, then a benching would be appropriate.
I am not a parent, but I have worked with a lot of kids. And the way to get them to act more maturely is to assume they will do so. Not shine a 200 watt spotlight on a spilt a glass of milk.
NaParent
Blob, you’re entitled to your opinion, but IMO your rule of waiting for repeated instances of unsportsmanlike behavior before taking players out of the starting lineup is insane, and would make our team the laughingstock of the L (even assuming our record and poor play did not have us in that position already).
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
It is a matter of respect.
Cousins deserves to be treated with respect, not like he is a little kid. I agree with BB. Talk with him, let him know what you expect. He is already learning the consequences of his actions. If he does it again, then a fine might be appropriate.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
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I'm not saying there are not differing opinions on the subject of discipline, but...
…when a drill sergeant reams someone’s ass for one infraction, it is not a sign of disrespect. It is a sign that the stakes are high, that infractions are not tolerated, and that the warrior is deeply respected by the drill sergeant because the warrior knows the drill sergeant can accept discipline and can ultimately live up to the high standards.
My Dad had the drill sergeant approach and to me it came off like deep respect. It was a form of male bonding, of validation.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
I agree with the fine and with you
The benching seems to come out of the blue, seems arbitrary, and capricious. It doesn’t seem to be part of some kind of pre-agreed set of rules and really does not seem like anything more than a stupid joke. If you are going to treat him like a child then the least you can do is punish him for rules that he knows about.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
He's been sentenced
to watching 48 minutes of every Kings game.
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
What is PBJ?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 22, 2010 4:41 PM PST reply actions
I'm afraid that Charles Barkley will eat the next head coach after PW.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Why keep Westphal?
Im honestly wondering what the arguments are in his favor? He has zero respect from his players, he has created a horrificly inefficient offense, he cant motivate anybody to play with energy, teamwork, or defensive effort, he has to constantly prove his authority with these joke DNP-CDs.
Im honestly wondering what the upside is to not firing him and moving on? Is he suddenly going to turn this around? What are the odds he just resigns? You think he is thinking that at all… he cant be enjoying this at all and has to know he has lost control and hes not coming back
by OKO on Dec 22, 2010 4:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I say we fire PW and hire Anarchy as the Kings head coach.
POLL! POLL! POLL! POLL!!!!!!
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Dec 22, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As though a peeon like you is worthy of a serious response from the renowned pookey guru
You seem like a moron who probably doesn’t even have his own blog
He does have unlimited time to try to ridicule you though
Curious
by lchristmas on Dec 22, 2010 5:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Wow...
You just swung that blade/pen/keyboard all over the place.
"Where I come from, being a fan isn’t measured by how many posts you make on a blog, or how much of a condescending jackass you can be, so take the disrespectful internet-cool-guy routine that you love to employ and shove it." ~ lchristmas
pookey guru is a disrespectful, delusional jerk and i'm just trying to help him out by showing him the error of his ways
consider me a volunteer site ombudsman
Good luck. < / Chris Webber tone >
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
kind of a sidenote but
where did the word ombudsman come from?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Technically Rbiegler is the site ombudsman.
Just FYI for those that care. I’m assuming the majority doesn’t.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And as far as to the question of the roots, this is Wikipedia's defintion:
An indigenous Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish term, Ombudsman is etymologically rooted in the Old Norse word umbuðsmann, essentially meaning “representative”. An ombudsman is an official, usually appointed by the government or by parliament, who is charged with representing the interests of the public by investigating and addressing complaints reported by individual citizens.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I sense this going green in the near future
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
by NewEraKings on Dec 22, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Great post… I agree with DMC no way he gets benched if this was a win.
by yarrgh on Dec 22, 2010 4:45 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I still don't get this argument...
Or why it’s even anybody thinks its an issue. If I am an integral part of an embarrassing loss, I’m not surprised if I get benched, especially if I was being a doofus during the critical moments.
by unfair weather on Dec 22, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Or why it’s even anybody thinks its an issue.
by unfair weather on Dec 22, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Great Westphal
Why bench your best low post player for making an idiot of himself (because professional athletes don’t do that to themselves on a weekly basis).
How much longer do we watch a team not do what a coach instructs and keep the coach. I’m sure Westphal is a nice guy but c’mon! Why is Darnell Jackson in at the end of the game? Why doesn’t he use his time outs? Why doesn’t he make substitutions when we start failing at the end? Most of what happened to our young “potential”? Why does Tyreke seem invisable at the end of games?
Please management, fire Westphal and get someone that the team responds to! Please!
by nerdninja on Dec 22, 2010 4:50 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
GROW UP COUSINS!!!
YOU’RE NOT A DAMN CHILD PLAYIN’ IN THE PARK… UR A DAMN PROFESSIONAL SO GROW UP
AND QUIT THINKING YOU CAN TAKE OVER A GAME OFFENSIVLY… WHAT THE HELL WERE SOME OF THOSE SHOTS LAST NIGHT?
Lower cases please
Or you will feel the Ban Hammer wrath!
I hope you guys aren't trying to have me get a virus, thats f'd up - MarcusC
Sorry
But I am Screamer and I just have to scream about this team
You could always change your name to "knowledgeable fan" and hope for the best.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Dec 22, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'M 40!
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
I CAN'T WATCH THIS TEAM ANYMORE!!!
I’M GONNA HAVE A FREAKIN CORONARY
by Screamer on Dec 22, 2010 4:53 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
LOL Slamson
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
LOUD NOISES!
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 22, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Was that the worst game we've ever seen from the Kings?
I don’t believe how little heart this team has. They don’t care at all about winning. Noone will get into the other players faces and make them accountable for thier actions
Sacramento will support a team that tries, but not a bunch of quitters and gutless pre-madonnas
by Screamer on Dec 22, 2010 4:56 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Not even close
Lack of heart had absolutely nothing to do with last night’s loss. On the difib-o-meter, this game does not rank in the top 100 of games that the Kings lost due to lack of heart or passion. Frankly, the team would have looked a lot better down the stretch had it not been playing as hard (and as stupid) as it was.
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by section214 on Dec 22, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Please don't use fact to make an argument, section.
It just makes you look like you know what you’re talking about.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
Yeah, they weren't the tin man last night, they were the scarecrow.
by otis29 on Dec 22, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Don't do the scarecrow like that.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The scarecrow
was never a player that you could “get the ball to.”
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I agree with that
I will say it was one of the hardest losses the team/fanbase has had to endure though.
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are you implying
it’s going to get worse?
You just had to go there, didn’t you?
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
Just get it out.
Done?
Okay, now breathe.
"Where I come from, being a fan isn’t measured by how many posts you make on a blog, or how much of a condescending jackass you can be, so take the disrespectful internet-cool-guy routine that you love to employ and shove it." ~ lchristmas
if this is the worst game you've seen
that’s a good thing
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
Westphal going to be on the radio with Grant soon.
Let’s all listen in, shall we?
"Where I come from, being a fan isn’t measured by how many posts you make on a blog, or how much of a condescending jackass you can be, so take the disrespectful internet-cool-guy routine that you love to employ and shove it." ~ lchristmas
What time?
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
XD I just turned on the stream, and heard this:
“Cousins will not start for the foreseeable future.”
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Grant said that Westphal will be on at 5:20.
"Where I come from, being a fan isn’t measured by how many posts you make on a blog, or how much of a condescending jackass you can be, so take the disrespectful internet-cool-guy routine that you love to employ and shove it." ~ lchristmas
Thanks.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Fine the crap out of him if you want to
But punishing him by taking away his playing time is punishing the fan base and the franchise. Kid needs the minutes, and the fans that have tickets for this home stand want to see him play.
Bottom line, this kid embarrassed himself on probably a national level yesterday. I don’t think that benching him is going to teach him any sort of additional lesson.
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by section214 on Dec 22, 2010 5:02 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
I would rather him sit a game
than be taken out of the starting line up for some undetermined amount of time. Beno, DMC, JT, Tyreke, and Donte seemed to be playing well as a group, so now we change that chemistry over one stupid incident.
That is what I don't get.
Fine him. Great. Done. But to bench him? Hell no.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Am I the only one who thought of the recent Steve Francis stuff in China?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Smokescreen!
Hiding a disgustingly ugly loss behind an internal feud! PW got us good!
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
by SactoRyan on Dec 22, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It might teach him
Not to be such a stupid dumbshit.
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
by NewEraKings on Dec 22, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Seems
like it might be an action with a few purposes…
To discipline DMC – let him know that he should focus on his production and less on the on-court drama. And to let the fans/media/league that the Kings organization is active in getting DMC on track…and maybe not letting this entire team fall off a cliff.
I dont have a problem with the benching. I just hope it accomplishes something.
The irony here
is that this actually a reason not to fire Westphal, even though I disagree 100% with the benching. Dispatch Westphal now and you’re really sending the wrong message to Cuz. Is PW that stupid…or that smart?
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Grant: "Paul has to take on the little kids and spank 'em."
LOL
"Where I come from, being a fan isn’t measured by how many posts you make on a blog, or how much of a condescending jackass you can be, so take the disrespectful internet-cool-guy routine that you love to employ and shove it." ~ lchristmas
Ewwwwwwww
I get the feeling grant liked saying that
by lchristmas on Dec 22, 2010 5:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
LOL @ Grant not wanting to listen to "We should have taken Stephen Curry".
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
We should have taken Stephen Curry
Coach K agrees with me, too.
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
by NewEraKings on Dec 22, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you for sharing Hindsight.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Man, Grant's voice stresses me out.
I feel like he’s yelling at me.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
by PurpleLoco on Dec 22, 2010 5:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
LOL Loco.
Don’t take it personally. He’s yelling at everyone listening to him you idiot.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Dec 22, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Clarification Loco
Read this. You’ll get the idiot comment completely if you don’t already.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That was awesome.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
I feel like he’s yelling at me.
Soft.
by unfair weather on Dec 22, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Can we get that "dumb" list written down somewhere?
kidding kidding
"Where I come from, being a fan isn’t measured by how many posts you make on a blog, or how much of a condescending jackass you can be, so take the disrespectful internet-cool-guy routine that you love to employ and shove it." ~ lchristmas
I tuned in and heard this part
And immediately turned the radio off. When people ask why we give Peaches so much shit, they should play this fucking horrible, BS interview with Westphal where Grant is falling over himself to make excuses for Westie before Paul himself can pass the buck.
I didn’t feel strongly one way or the other before, but now I might be firmly in the fire Westphal camp. He’s doing damage to the team’s psyche just by letting that dumb ginger run his mouth.
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Dec 22, 2010 5:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Probably should have.
I just hate when Peaches cuts off his interviewee to try and make their point for them so he can prove to himself how knowledgeable he is.
Also I’m having a bad day, so my leash for BS is shorter than usual
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Dec 22, 2010 6:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
but all those plays on the dumb list were undeniably dumb
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Very true
But Grant was saying that the entirety of that last play fail was on the team when responsibility defensive assignments fall partially on the coach. Not saying the players weren’t dumb, but Westphal is also dumb for not ensuring the group of youngsters he had out there didn’t all just go “oh shit, where’s Monta Ellis?”
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Dec 22, 2010 6:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh Shit, Where's Monta Ellis!
Sounds like a new mantra, when the chips are high.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
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by Slam_Dunk on Dec 22, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like a song to me.
Someone should get on that.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
After listening to Napear, you feel you have reached a sensible conclusion.
That should concern you.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
never said it was sensible
Just that I believed he should be fired. He doesn’t know how to manage the strong personalities he has on his hands. Which is amazing since he coached Chuck.
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Dec 22, 2010 6:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm... So Demarcus will play, just not start. (According to Westphal.)
It doesn’t seem to me that Westphal is at all upset at Cousins. His tone is pretty hard to read after all…
"Where I come from, being a fan isn’t measured by how many posts you make on a blog, or how much of a condescending jackass you can be, so take the disrespectful internet-cool-guy routine that you love to employ and shove it." ~ lchristmas
That's a confusing line.
I’m not sure Demarcus had those options. He did get kicked out of practice and fined before.
shrug Grant definitely should have dug a little deeper into the Cousins situation.
"Where I come from, being a fan isn’t measured by how many posts you make on a blog, or how much of a condescending jackass you can be, so take the disrespectful internet-cool-guy routine that you love to employ and shove it." ~ lchristmas
I agree
The interview could have been compelling, given the events of the day, instead Grant talked about how much the fans care and how his phone lines are lighting up.
I believe PW is talking about the leeway he has given DMC during games.
PW has little patience with Donte and Omri when they blow an assignment or turnover the ball trying to do something not in the game plan. I think DMC will see some bench time the next time he tries to dribble thru a triple team.
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Ah, I see.
"Where I come from, being a fan isn’t measured by how many posts you make on a blog, or how much of a condescending jackass you can be, so take the disrespectful internet-cool-guy routine that you love to employ and shove it." ~ lchristmas
agree
LB is one of the best teachers in game. I truly think PW has lost control. As far as the benching, cousins is pretty immature. so, i guess one could make an argument either way. However, given DMC’s past, i think the benching might do him some good.
i would really like kings fans to start a fire pw chant! its pretty clear his players have given up on him
by pakyubai on Dec 22, 2010 6:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Obviously that was immature
but the Kings are doing him no favors benching him. Its getting to a point where I feel they are alienating him. Thats making him unhappy and it will effect his game.
I also feel doing all this for the choking thing is wrong of the Kings. They are just bringing more attention to the situation and thats going to piss DMC off.
"You need to get real!"
Actually, I'm OK with all of that
Embarrass the sh*t out him. He’s done it to himself. Where I disagree is that this should have any impact on his playing time. It shouldn’t.
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Yes please
Fans of both teams should just do the same thing when they see him. Nothing like having a lame taunt hrown back in your face by angry fans. Hopefully it would have the desired affect of:
A.) No longer calling someone else a choke when the Kings have mastered the choke long before this game.
B.) Piss him off and hopefully push him.
I thought was very poorly timed, but it’s not that huge of a deal. Players talk shit all day. The problem with this is he just made himself look REALLY REALLY stupid. And doing it over and over doesn’t help.
DMC is right though. Had they of won nothing would of been made of it in terms of discipline. I guess he should have held off the choke sign for those three other fouls.
I agree with you MJ5.
It is important to deal with your players with respect, consistency, and fairness. I don’t feel that he is dealing with DMC well. Publicizing this and throwing DMC under the bus only diverts attention from the real issues at hand: the poor playing of the team in the 4th and his coaching skills.
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by Slam_Dunk on Dec 22, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think a punishment like this is consistent and fair. He seems to be consistently punished for immature actions, and this was one of them.
As for respect, if you don’t show others respect, you don’t earn respect. If you act like a child, you get treated like a child.
This is a problem with Cousins, not with Westphal.
Not consistent and fair at all.
You don’t bench somebody for this kind of stuff. It really should not rise to that level and taking him off the floor makes this team worse. Which means fewer wins. So, this sucks all the way around.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Probably not going to make a lot of difference, frankly
taking him off the floor makes this team worse. Which means fewer wins.
In case you haven’t noticed, we aren’t exactly setting the world on fire with him in the starting lineup. He’s still probably going to play about the same number of minutes. Maybe Landry will get to start in his place and get back into a groove.
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
by NewEraKings on Dec 22, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Landry starting at C? Not likely
This means we probably have Dalembert in the starting line up and that is going to be painful to watch.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
No, I mean JT starting at C and Landry at PF
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
by NewEraKings on Dec 22, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Ooops, scratch that plan then
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
by NewEraKings on Dec 22, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
That doesn't make sense
This is a basketball team that wants to win. You can’t just throw out harsh punishments for every little thing he does. The team is in a difficult circumstance. They can let it go and have him turn into a spoiled brat. They can treat everything he does strictly. They can’t let what he does go, but every action deserves a different response. His actions weren’t severe enough to warrant the punishment. He didn’t get into an altercation or spat with coach or player. It wasn’t a flagrant foul. It was a disrespectful gesture. I think it was handled incorrectly.
"You need to get real!"
by MJ5 on Dec 22, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree to disagree
I like Cousins and think he will be a very good player in a year or two. But for his own sake, I hope you learns some professionalism sooner rather than later. It’s in his best interest.
this baffles me
if they are going to be so harsh with him and not everyone else because of his past history than they should have never drafted him.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
You think he lost his starting job because of something he did in high school?
Because I don’t think that’s true at all.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
No not at all
I simply think it’s bad policy to single out one person and bench a guy for taunting.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Go nuts I guess and keep piling it on him when you don't really need to
but don’t be surprised if it makes a non problem into an actual problem
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
when I say non problem I mean I don't think taunting is that big a deal, at least not big enough to bench a guy
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Somebody has to be the target for the negative crap after the game
So we have a new scapegoat and it is Hawes Cousins.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I am continuously amazed at how sensitive people on this board are to discipline.
And I feel like it needs to stop so I’m sorry but I’m going to have to call you on it…
JESUS CHRIST, YOU’RE A BUNCH OF GODDAMN SISSIES!!!!!!!!!! NO ONE TOOK HIS BIRTHDAY, YOU BIG DAMN BABIES!! IT’S SIMPLE DISCIPLINE, OF THE MOST ROUTINE VARIETY FOR THE NBA!! I DO BELIEVE HE’LL MOTHEREFFING SURVIVE!!!
We clear now?
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Dec 22, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Oh, no, I've been done wrong!! I've been done wrong!!
Where’s Mustang and Wally to leap to my defense?? Help, somebody cursed at me, help, help, HELP!!!!
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Don't act like an ass
I mean serious. If you can’t exercise some self control then that is your problem, but don’t expect to be able to crap all over me and not have to get called on.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Sorry, Mustang, I was shooting for
(1) disapproving of all the whining about a routine disciplinary matter; but
(2) tongue-in-cheek use of ALL CAPS.
I didn’t mean for you to take it too seriously.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
My general rule
Is to imagine myself speaking to somebody in person and picture how that would go saying whatever it is I type online. If I can’t imagine it going over well in person then I probably will revise it.
If there was somebody yelling what you wrote in my face they would likely get more in response than just what I wrote…
Appreciate the apology.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
if only our
Coaching Staff and Young Core can resolve a difference so smoothly.
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Why the heck did I get dragged into this?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
heck no
finally getting a break from shopping and because of said shopping I am broke as a joke for the next 7 or so days. I’m laying on Wally Sofa with some fast food, a root beer, and my laptop on the table.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Free ticket Wally, but I can understand needing time to un-wind
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
son of a ...
I didn’t know that part! I just thought you were asking. I would say yes but to be honest I am probably wouldn’t be able to make it out there being I might be in the office a bit late plus not really sure if I am going to have access to my car at the moment. But thanks for the offer.
Do you often have an extra ticket? And how much does a beer cost again at Arco (sadly I usually go to only 2 or 3 games a year plus I darn well remember my promise!).
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
I am probably going to get hooked up a few more times
I can let you know if you might be interested. No worries about beer. I really don’t drink, but wouldn’t mind sharing a ticket.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I almost feel like I need to go to a StR night now
and embrace my dorkiness
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
EHEM!
not trying to toot my own horn(pun intended), but I was a part of that too. I think I deserve a mention Holmdel.
"You need to get real!"
alright, MJ5, you're a damn sissy, too
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
btw, what's the pun?
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
In keeping with the holidays
I want to say that there really are no hard feelings. In fact, let’s do this right. I was gifted with some lower corner tickets. I propose that you, Wally, and I all go. You up for it?
Wally?
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
that's really nice of you
I appreciate it, and would be stoked, but I’m down in LA and we’re having people over tonight.
But thank you, and let me reiterate, that mostly I was just trying to be funny with the all-CAPS and thought that would come across.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Ah well then.
I hope you have a good holiday and family gathering. Didn’t realize you were in LA.
No worries and all water under the bridge.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Thanks again. And take Otis.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
LOL
I take it you might be up for going to the game?
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I definitely would down the road
But I have to do my Christmas shopping tonight. Yes, that would be ALL of my Christmas shopping.
Yeah, I am in kind of a bind myself
Have to run out and shop right now actually. I will have some more tickets down the road.
Be a shame for two lower bowl tickets to go to waste…
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
It was supposed to be at Mustang because his pic and all is a car and cars toot horns
oh who cares!
"You need to get real!"
So, for future reference, "fuck you" in big giant caps is a-ok on this site?
Noted.
by lchristmas on Dec 23, 2010 7:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I would say it was barely tolerated and only because it was provoked.
And only because I am a fairly reasonable member of StR. I don’t just do that kind of thing on a regular basis and it took somebody cursing me out for that to be my response. So, it ain’t as simple as saying it is “a-ok” and for future reference I would say not so much.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Are you a site moderator now, too?
You have no idea what conversations take place between the editors and members off line, so don’t attempt to wade into those waters.
Normally, that would have been deleted. But had it been deleted, so would have Holmdel’s explanation of what he meant, which I felt was important.
But just in case you need clarification – “f*ck you” in most any form is not acceptable on this site.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
The mods here
Do a pretty damned good job on this site. They let people express themselves and manage each instance while carefully weighing all the issues and factors.
I don’t get what your beef may have been nor do I need to know, but I respect and admire their ability to deal with all the stupidity, my own included, that gets posted here.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
No beef at all
Just wanted to know. I generally try for a bit more nuance and detail in my retorts, but there are times when a good old-fashioned fuck you is what you need, and I just wanted to know if I could go to it.
Carry on.
by lchristmas on Dec 23, 2010 10:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Its not a question of survival, you hothead
Its a question of nurturing his growth as a person and player. Witness your embarrassing meltdown over a differing of an internet opinion. You are testament to the fact that the product of a strict disciplinarian, as you acknowledge above, may result in temper issues and repressed anger.
Individuals are NOT meant to live under repressed conditions, belittled, unfairly treated, and made to feel inferior, as children, adults, or countries for that matter, and yet that is what you are in favor of when you advocate a “drill sergeant”, your words, as an authority figure.
I agree young players need discipline and structure, but it needs to be rooted in fairness. Benching him for a childish gesture is not fair, to Cuz to his teammates, nor the fans, especially those paying tickets.
by bench_blob on Dec 22, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
for the record, my "embarrassing meltdown", what with the ALL CAPS, etc.,
was for comic effect. I wasn’t really angry.
But then when Mustang Sally (kidding) gave me the all caps FU, I decided to heap some more scorn his way.
I love Cuz, but think the choke gesture was massively unclassy and that is ultimately where we disagree, apparently.
Not every “drill sergeant” belittles or treats his soldiers like children. discipline doesn’t always equal humiliation. Another point on which we apparently disagree.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
thank goodness I hate the mute button on
could of hurt the old ears
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
What did the mute button ever do to you, Wally?
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
lol, took me a second
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
By the same token
I am continuously amazed at how sensitive people are to gamesmanship and shows of emotion.
One point, tho...
Said gamesmanship and shows of emotion are much better taken when they are backed up with success.
Otherwise, you just end up looking like a douche.
Those who walk on eggshells rarely leave footprints.
by SierraSpartan on Dec 23, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
absolutely
and benching someone because he didn’t back it up with success is a little odd.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
What has anyone else on the team done to be disrespectful and unsportsmanlike? It’s not past history. He’s not being punished for things he did as a Wildcat. He’s being punished for his immaturity as a King.
Sam Cassel is not a Kings, so I don’t see how that’s relevent.
We simply just don’t agree.
You say it’s not about past history but you have also brought up
When was the last time a Kings player has had multiple issues with immaturity
And I was referring to the Sam Cassel dance Tyreke does. You know, the one where he acts like he has water ballons for testicles on the court after making a big shot?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
saying it all this
PW has lost the team……he needs to go before the situation deteriorates even more.
Completely disagree
I think Westphal is handling him fine. If he acts like a child, treat him like a child and punish him.
You mention it didn’t break any rules, but he clearly did: unsportsman-like conduct. It should have been a technical, plain and simple. He got away with it.
I hope he is wrong. I hope he would have gotten the same treatment if the Kings had won, too.
Inconsistent response here
A technical? Last time I heard a technical doesn’t get you benched. That is why this comes off as arbitrary.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
When was the last time the Kings talked about benching a guy for getting a technical?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
When was the last time a Kings player has had multiple issues with immaturity
and then taunted an opposing player with choking signs?
Hey you were the one who said it was handled fine because it was a technical for unsportsman like conduct.
I have a hard time seeing how the chocking is specifically a particular problem yet the Sam Cassel huge ball dance isn’t but whatever.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
ug ... choking
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's a little ironic that this happened just after Amick's "good guy" article.
But it doesn’t completely contradict it. I think Cousins is a good guy. He’s just immature.
If it doesn't contradict it, how is it ironic?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
I fail to see how this helps either the situation, or the team
Between the drastic lineup changes, the benching of Donte at the beginning of the season, and this, I am beginning to think that PW doesn’t understand subtlety. Not that I am saying it makes him a better or worse coach, or that it reflects on his coaching at all, but Cousins gesture seems more molehill – or perhaps a molehill mansion – than mountain.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
it's stupid and embarrasing, that's for sure
call me crazy but I found Garcia’s foul at the 3 point line far more egregious.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Beno and Carl fouled the 3 point shooters I thought, Wally
or did you mean something else?
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typing error
had something longer there at first and screwed up editing but I meant Cisco’s random 3 and the fouls at the 3 point line
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
that's the biggest
error i saw in the closing minute(s). How he could shoot that with 11 seconds or so on the clock…mindboggling. Beno’s foul was an iffy (meaning bad) call. Landry was just dumb for leaving his feet, but if Cisco lets those 10 seconds run down, we win that game.
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
exactly...
There were lots of reasons to get mad at players for failed execution in the 4th and overtime, this seems like just a focal point for larger anger and frustration.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
If he grabbed that rebound no way I see this happening. At all.
We’d be cracking jokes about the Warriors joking with Cousins choking gifs, putting up pics of Cousins doing the “call me” when Warriors fans complain and it would have been forgotten by everyone, including the team.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
I think they still would've fined him for sure, probably would've purposely made it public (when they could keep it private if they wanted)
but maybe not the benching if he’d grabbed the rebound and the Kings won.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 22, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Easy answer
What has Westphal done with Cousins that has actually worked? Can anyone name one thing?
Putting him in the starting lineup.
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by NewEraKings on Dec 22, 2010 9:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Oh good...let's bench our MVP for the month of December. That'll send a good message.
Seriously? My god…the Kings are smarter than this. Holy shit.
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Webber got a suspension for testing positive for weed.
As the Kings MVP, should the rules be different, or punishment lessened for him?
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There’s quite a bit of difference between getting caught with weed and doing something silly like DeMarcus did.
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by Scott Coleman on Dec 22, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
he's just pointing out the logic in ur statement is all
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
He's not being benched. He's just not starting.
Probably for a game or two at most.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 22, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why even bench him though? It seems pointless to me.
And I’m not making a molehill out of this. There’s a reason there’s a front page post and 220+ comments on it. It’s a big deal. Cute picture, though.
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by Scott Coleman on Dec 22, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
But nowhere do I see anyone saying that Cuz will be benched for the month of Dec
My prediction is that he doesn’t start for one, maybe two games tops if that. He’ll play his normal minutes, and be back in the starting lineup again before the month is out. Seriously, not a big deal at all. Everyone is getting excited for nothing.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 22, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
No angst needs to be directed at. Otherwise, it's just aimless agitation..
….and lord knows Kings fans have no experience in that.
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Full quote from Cousins
“It was a bad move on my part. But if I would have did it and we won it probably wouldn’t have had the same consequences afterward. But I did it, I was wrong and I’m taking the consequences.”
Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2010/12/cousins-taunts.html#ixzz18ueIzKNe
I don’t see a problem here. he did a dumb thing. He got disciplined. He whined a little, but generally took it like a man. What’s the issue?
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
So, an act that would have caused a technical foul is worthy of benching?
I think that is what gets me. Fine OK, but benching? Seems over the top.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Because he continues to act unprofessionally
Westphal seemed pretty pissed, and it tells me there’s still a lot more going on with this kid than just making the choking sign.
What do you mean the bank's out of money?
Insolvent?!?
You only have enough cash for the next three customers?!?
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Could be
It just comes off as arbitrary. Cousins behavior on the court has not been over the top. His “unprofessionalism” on the court isn’t all crazy and out of control. There may be more going on. That is true.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
A dumb immature move that could have cost us a point at the end of a tight game?
Absolutely. People want a coach that teaches discipline this is what that is. PW said nothing about not playing him. He said he would not start him. Good lesson. No big deal. Seriously, why all the fuss?
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
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"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 22, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
It was presented as him being benched.
I guess we have to see what that means. If he doesn’t start and ends up with the same minutes anyway then yeah that ain’t so serious.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I would bet a month's paycheck
that Cousins will be playing tomorrow night.
Here’s a quote by Jones in his story.
And until Cousins exhibits “professionalism” he’ll be having all his good games off the bench.
Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2010/12/cousins-taunts.html#ixzz18uiRw4MQ
Of course, that’s Jones speaking, not PW. if Cuz really did get a DNPCD, I would be totally pissed. But I just don’t see it.
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by SavageBeast on Dec 22, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Westphal said on the radio that he'd definitely still play.
He’d just be coming off the bench.
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This is indeed what Westphal said.
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Bad decision by Westphal
That gesture hurt no one, did not harm the team’s chances to win and is actually funny in my book. Westphal over-reacted, IMO.
Maybe Westphal has a no taunting policy, I guess. That might be where the punishment is appropriate in Westphal’s mind.
I think a simple, “DMC, don’t do that again” type chat would have been sufficient.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
It could have, and probably should have
resulted in a taunting technical that would have made it a two point game. Not smart. At very least it fired up the Dubs and made the Kings even more of a laughing stock than they already are. this is exactly the time to teach a young kid what is smart and what is not.
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Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 22, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with everything you said here.
I think the punishment is not apropriate, however.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
Flipping the bird harms no one, either.
He could always claim punishment infringes on his free speech, but anyone doing so would be displaying gross ignorance.
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Though your example is not the character of what DMC did,
I will further explain me reasoning.
As I see it, he was rightly humiliated after the game, only because they lost. DMC gave a choke sign. He thought the Warriors were chocking, and if fact they were. But the chocking was really on DMC’s part.
At the end of the game when the missed free throw came into DMC’s hands, he lost it out of bounds. Then the Warriors made that three off the inbounds to send it to overtime. We would have won the game if DMC would not have lost it out of bounds.
He has to be humiliated that he game that signal to the Warriors and then he himself chocked. I think his humiliation after the loss was enough for him not to make that gesture again.
He is a young guy who will learn from “some” mistakes. I think that was one of them. It didn’t need to be made worse, IMO, by a benching. I believe DMC was correct in saying he would not have been punished if they would have won. If they had won, that would have been the correct time for a punishment.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
I think a fine was appropriate.
As taunts go, this one was pretty damn brazen. When I saw it live, my reaction was “DeMarcus, you glorious jackass”. I like when the players aren’t afraid to pull their sack out during the game. Unfortunately for all of us, Cuz then got his kicked up into his face. From this fan’s perspective, the embarrassment was probably punishment enough. But I fully understand the team fining him for it.
As for the benching? I agree that it probably takes things too far, is unnecessary, and may be detrimental. But mostly, I just think it’s kind of a stupid move, because there’s almost no easy recovery from here. How does Cousins satisfactorily meet Westy’s “professionalism” standard? No hand gestures of any kind for 3 games? Only use good-mannered taunts (“Get that shit out of here, please”)? Coach can’t expect the young man to go through an entire game without getting into it a little bit with the other team. That’s the NBA, and has been since before Big Cuz was born. At whatever point Westphal decides that DeMarcus has earned his way back into the starting lineup, it’s going to seem to everyone (Cousins, the rest of the team, and everyone else that’s paying attention) to be as arbitrary as the benching, and there will be a whole lot of eye-rolling going on here and elsewhere.
Here’s how I see this situation getting resolved. Westphal and Cousins take advantage of the holiday season and work this thing out Hollywood-style. Paul invites DeMarcus to join he and his family for dinner at his beautiful home on Christmas Eve. Cousins is obviously resistant at first and quickly declines with an easy excuse.
His mind begins to change, however, as he’s taking a long walk to his empty home, and witnessing scene after scene of warm fellowship between various people who are strangers to DeMarcus but loved-ones to each other. Somehow, it’s snowing in Sacramento, because snow would make the scene look much better where DeMarcus is standing on someone’s lawn staring into their front window, enviously observing a father proudly watch his young son perform a Christmas song on the piano that he’d finally just perfected, with a gentle hand on the boy’s back that says more than words ever could…
Just as Coach Westphal is about to begin saying grace at his opulent Christmas Eve table, he’s interrupted by a loud knock on the door. He’s temporarily speechless as he opens the door to find DeMarcus Cousins hulking over him at his doorstep, dressed in sweatpants. He tries to transition his look of shock to that of pleasant surprise, and warmly invites DeMarcus to join the festive feast. That evening is packed full of all the awkward and embarrassing moments you’d expect: Cousins tucking his lace napkin into his shirt collar like a bib, holding the salad fork and dinner fork up next to each other and staring perplexedly until Mrs. Westphal politely comes to his aid, a hundred different slang words and phrases that Cuz immediately has to explain to the oblivious Westphal family.
By the end of the dinner, DeMarcus is feeling even more alone than he was on that snowy Natomas lawn, though the Westphals have been lovely and patient hosts. He quickly excuses himself from the table and rushes out of the room before anyone can see his eyes well-up. He heads out the front door, intending on leaving, but stops himself on the front steps, not wanting to seem ungrateful to the Westphal’s kindness. He turns to find Coach Westphal coming after him. DeMarcus begins to apologize for his rudeness, both in his leaving and in his lack of etiquette during the dinner. Paul halts the apology with a warm hand on the big man’s shoulder, and gestures Cousins to sit with him on the porch. The Coach then tells DeMarcus that being a good person isn’t about salad forks and vocabulary, it’s simply about respect. The Coach and the Player may be of different worlds, he says, but they are both just men, and that should be enough for them to get along, and to work together. They smile, they embrace, the credits roll, and we all live happily ever after. The sequel, of course, has Coach Westphal joining Cousins for Thanksgiving dinner back in Alabama, with hilarious, and touching, results.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 22, 2010 11:10 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
The Blind Side 2: A Christmas Boogie
Got my seats reserved!
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by M. Thai on Dec 23, 2010 2:03 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
missed opportunity
Big Cuz, baffled by which fork is the appropriate one, shovels too much turkey down his gullet, begins to choke but cannot signal to Coach or his family because he doesn’t want to re-violate Coach’s no “choking gesture” rule. Big Cuz collapses in his chair, and dies.
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by Holmdel on Dec 23, 2010 7:07 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd for hilarity, flagged for un-Disney-like ending.
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Yeah, just the star's mother.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 23, 2010 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
Gotta say the spectator sport of rooting against or for this decision has been rather interesting.
It’s funny stuff I gotta say.
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Seems to me the best punishment for DMC would be to leave him in for the full 48 minutes the next time the Kings go down to Oakland.
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by SierraSpartan on Dec 23, 2010 7:24 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
lol
not only is it funny because of the boo birds he would have to deal with but could you imagine how out of breathe he would be?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
i don't mind benching him
I think it shows a ROOKIE were he is. He isn’t a top 10 player, he isn’t a top 50 player of all time, he is a ROOKIE! And rookies should not be acting like that, even if he was blake griffin, no way he should be acting like that….how about instead of taunting the other team why not win a game?
What a bunch of Bullshit!
The Kings need some attitude playing against teams like the Lakers, Pistons and Knicks. Every game the Kings go out and play vanilla. Every game they lose.
They then go out and get a big banger with attitude to knock some heads down in the post, and they want to make him a pussy? Play your strengths coach. You got a guy who wants to stir things up. Let him. Something needs to change. What the Kings are doing now is making them the worst team ever to play in the NBA.
I completely disagree with everything Westphal is doing with this team.
For that matter why is Petrie not making any good trades and why would he want Cousins if he didn’t want someone with attitude?
"People are on to us right now. They're got our number. We have to regroup and start doing something a little more different. I'm not saying we're predictable, but when you've got the opponent out there calling out plays, and they know what's coming, then we've got a problem. They know what plays we're calling. They pretty much know what routes we're running. They pretty much have us down right now." -
-- Jerry Rice
I think next time, they should just let Cousins bring a knife with him and shank people in the post
Let’s stir things up!
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I would agree Willie, don't like the move
just messing with you.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 23, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I'm fine with either benching him or not
I believe he probably learned his lesson from the embarrassment of the loss. However, his contention that this wouldn’t have been an issue if they had won does concern me.
My assumption is that DMC and Westphal did have a conversation about this before the decision was made, and that DMC’s response did not satisfy.
My other concern is that a lof of people seem to feel that DMC should be handled differently than other young players, and that sounds like an admission that the red flags are real.
Also
From what I have seen, all DMC asks for is communication, and he can agree to disagree with people. I think highlighting this issue is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
I was also thinking
that Westphal may have talked to Cuz about the act, told him they were fining him and considering further discipline, Cuz said he knows it was stupid but he doesn’t think it would be an issue if they’d won, Westphal decides that DeMarcus isn’t getting it and added the benching to highlight how serious the team is taking his behavior. Obviously, that’s all just speculation, I’m just saying that something like that or something else might be weighing on this whole situation that we don’t know about.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 23, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm thinking this scenario is what caused his removal from the starting lineup.
The fine and embarrassment should be enough for the choking gesture.
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DMC might be the cancer on this team.
Based on the subtle and not so subtle hints from the local radio shows, it sounds to me that there is a possibility that DMC is a cancer on the team and that his attitude and/or inability to get with the program has ruined the chemistry on this team. I suspect that the all the initial hype over his arrival (billboards, etc) might have caused some jealousy among those already here. Then he arrives here with a sense of entitlement and the coaching staff cannot control him. The other players see that the coaching staff cannot control him and/or they have catered to him and it results in resentment, which in turn results in selfish play. Of course, on the surface, it appears that the coaching staff has tried to discipline DMC, but how many instances do we not even know about.
This is just a theory based on what I’ve seen and Grant continuing to adamantly say “Believe me, it is not the coaching that his the problem”. Clearly, Grant knows more than we do, but he just cannot say it publicly for obvious reasons.
Sorry but the behind the scenes frustrations amongst the players and coaching staff has been bubbling up since last year.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
This is like blaming the kid for the lack of appropriate parenting
Do the players hold responsibility? Yes, but to blame negativity around this team, or in the locker room, on DMC is exactly the kind of concern I have had about this whole ordeal. DMC is a kid and a rookie. The faults and problems of this team are many, but let’s recognize that and spread the blame around some. It is in no way fair or appropriate to scapegoat DMC.
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by MustangMBS on Dec 23, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
it's also very likely inaccurate
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Breaking it down
Clearly, Grant knows more than we do, but he just cannot say it publicly for obvious reasons.
For starters –
Clearly, Grant knows more than we do…
I can’t think of a single subject where that might be true. Plenty of people in here don’t think the coaching is anything even remotely like the biggest problem the Kings have.
…but he just cannot say it publicly for obvious reasons.
If he had something to say, he’d say it. He was the biggest cheerleader in the effort to run Kevin Martin out of town, was undoubtedly gratified that so many people hopped on the bandwagon, and even more so by the fact that it came to pass. If he can’t say something it’s because he doesn’t know anything. A guy like that would rather pull stories out of his caboose than have a moment of dead air.
Any day now, he’ll be alluding to his list of 211, or 83 or, no, fifty-seven Communists in the United States government.
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Seriously? Take your blinders off
How can anyone think coaching isn’t even “remotely like the biggest problem”. Coaching is an integral part of the team and the team sucks.
Lack of talent is easily the biggest problem.
Or do you think that we have a bunch of all-stars who have graciously agreed to keep the team’s total salaries just barely above the required minimum?
My blinders are off, and I will attempt to find your dog for you.
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I'm not saying it's not a talent problem, but it's also a coaching problem.
And you’re a prick for talking sh*t.
I explained why the largest problem is lack of talent, you say it's coaching.
You could at least attempt to qualify your statement.
I’m a prick for a lot of reasons, but it’s not because I say things I aren’t provably true.
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by andy sims on Dec 23, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe you think coaching doesn't make a difference
Maybe you think Beno Udrih, Tyreke Evans, and DeMarcus Cousins couldn’t compete no matter who was coaching them. Maybe you think these guys are a bunch of chumps and Paul Westphal is the greatest coach the Phoenix Suns ever had.
He certainly hasn’t figured out how to do anything that will help this team. By default the coach is the problem because he’s in the way of some other coach who could come in and help these young players figure out how to win some games.
Until the Kings win some basketball games the evidence shows that the coaching isn’t doing it.
Also if the right players aren’t there, and that’s the problem, then the coach needs to figure out how to get the right guys. And if Petrie won’t do it he needs to move on because either the team is making him look bad, or he is making the team look bad.
Either way the coach is responsible to produce wins.
"People are on to us right now. They're got our number. We have to regroup and start doing something a little more different. I'm not saying we're predictable, but when you've got the opponent out there calling out plays, and they know what's coming, then we've got a problem. They know what plays we're calling. They pretty much know what routes we're running. They pretty much have us down right now." -
-- Jerry Rice
No, the coach matters.
But 90%+ of the time, the players win or lose games.
I’ll agree with you insofar that the coach is held responsible for producing wins, but the players play the games, not the coaches. Westphal doesn’t make Cousins travel, or Evans fadeaway on his jumper, make Landry miss free throws or any of the rest.
If you could show me that Westphal doesn’t have the players working on their weaknesses, and learning to use their strengths, then sure, he’s a terrible coach. I don’t have any reason to believe Westphal is either stupid, or incompetent.
But addressing your point, right now, no, I don’t think Evans, Cousins and Udrih are the core of a team that competes well night in and night out, regardless of who the coach happens to be. You put Chris Paul and Al Horford in the starting lineup with them? Reggie Theus could get them to the playoffs.
The talent of your roster is the single most important factor in whether you succeed or fail as a coach. I don’t understand why that’s so controversial, especially given how obviously lacking in talent the squad is right now.
If you want Westphal gone, have at it, I have no investment in it. I’d just like someone who is completely head-up about it admit that it’s gotten personal, acknowledge the dearth of talent, and that without a serious roster shake-up, no one can coach this squad to even .400 ball.
The young players that remain a year from now will be more seasoned, we may have an actual floor-leader signed in free agency, and the sun may yet shine for the Sacramento Kings. They may have a new head coach, too, but I won’t consider him a genius for doing nothing more than being in the chair when Evans and Cousins have another 12 months of maturity and skill in their repertoire.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Dec 23, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I think you're right that this team needs a leader
It would be great to have that guy on the court and soon. I think I’m dissapointed at the obvious lack of leadership on this team and I first look at the coach and ask myself, where is the leadership?.
You seem to emphasize veteren leadership, which I believe is also important. We can all clearly see that no player is actually leading this team while on the court. I’d like to see Evans eventually grow into that role, but what do we do in the meantime?
What we can’t see is what kind of leader is Westphal?
Is he the right leader for this team?
Besides starting one guy or another and benching one guy or another, the only evidence we have is the standings.
Benching Cousins for a stupid choke gesture does not instill confidence in his leadership style as far as I’m concerned. While I think it’s important for players to act professionally on the court, I don’t think it’s right to treat them like misbehaved children when they express themselves. Let the kid be a 20 year old and learn from his mistakes without having his nose rubbed in it by the coach.
"People are on to us right now. They're got our number. We have to regroup and start doing something a little more different. I'm not saying we're predictable, but when you've got the opponent out there calling out plays, and they know what's coming, then we've got a problem. They know what plays we're calling. They pretty much know what routes we're running. They pretty much have us down right now." -
-- Jerry Rice
As a Warriors fan
I’d have just gone for the fine….benching seems like a bit much.
Your organization needs to give him a little room to mature. I think they forgot he’s only 20 (21?)
That said, I’m glad he fired up our team for the W. No bashing from me though, the Warriors are struggling too. And I support the Kings when they play anyone but GS.
he's 20
if I were you I would be more happy for the fact he didn’t get the rebound
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
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