The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: 2010-11 Week 9
Hope you all had a great Christmas! Except you Vlad Rad.
This was possibly the toughest week Kings fans have had to endure in quite a while. Three games were in our grasp, ripe for the taking, and three games the Kings collapsed in, and now the fanbase, the players, the coaches, and the ownership are at their wits end.
The Good:
1. Beno Udrih
See Player of the Week
D-Block has seen his share of DNP-CDs and limited minutes this week. He was promoted to the Starting lineup this week due to Jason's injury, and he came in ready to play, rebounding, playing defense, and setting good screens.
3. Kings are Still Fighting
In every single game this week, the Kings had a chance to win, before faltering late. If they can just learn how to close out games, and play down the stretch like they played during the rest of the game, the wins will come. But that's easier said than done, and its up to the players to execute.
4. Carl Landry Seems to be Getting Back to Form... a bit.
Other than the Golden State game, Carl didn't put up gaudy numbers, but he does seem to look like old, good Carl lately instead of new, bad Carl. With Tyreke suffering, and Cousins on the bench, the team will need him to carry most of the offensive load, and he'll need to be up to the task.
Sammy D did an alright job off the bench, but its clear he prefers playing as a starter, and he did a pretty good job most of the game against Bogut too, before foul trouble eventually knocked him out.
6. Free Throws
Hey we actually hit a decent percentage of them this week (80.6%)! Now lets just continue to do that for the rest of the season. No excuses now.
The Bad:
1. Jason Thompson out with Stitches
Its never good when a main rotation player is out, and the team missed JT this week I think, especially against the Warriors. I don't think he would have left Vlad Rad. I have no way to prove that, but there you go.
2. Hassan Whiteside Riding the Bench for E-Muss
Hassan leads the entire D-League in Block Rate and Blocks per Foul. Yet in his last game, he only played 2 and a half minutes. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get called back up to the team soon if this continues, as the whole point of him being in Reno is to get court time. Unfortunately as the Kings don't own the team, they can't force E-Muss to do anything other than to have him on the roster.
3. Wings, wings, wings
More than anything I think the wing position has proven to be our weakest link so far this year. Donté isn't the defensive savior we hoped he'd be, even though he can be quite good at times, and none of our wings can consistently hit wide open shots. Donté will chuck up a ton more threes when he's not hitting in order to try to get a rhythm going, and Omri shoots a ton either way. Cisco will take any open shot you give him, regardless of whether the situation calls for it or not. The Kings need a consistent wing player and none of these three are doing it for me right now.
4. Shooting
I don't know if I've seen a worse shooting week from this team in a while. Each game, the team shot 39% or below, while the opposition was 43% or above. A lot of this has to do with our execution down the stretch, and those stretches where we seem to forget whatever we had been doing the previous ten trips down the floor that had worked. It's extremely frustrating.
5. Switching and Guarding the Corner Three
Here's the secret to get a good 3PA on the Kings: Move the ball a lot, run off the ball, make sure you have a good to decent shooter parked in the corner, and once the Kings get caught on a switch, swing the ball over to him for what is likely a wide open shot. The Kings have been getting killed by bad switches all year and I wouldn't be surprised (if this continues that is) that when we play the Spurs they shoot 50+% from three (they love their corner threes).
The Ugly:
1. Tyreke Evans
Tyreke shot 52 FGA this week in 3 games. He only made 12. That's an abominable 23.1% from the field. Tyreke's foot is either hurting him a lot more than he's letting on, that undisclosed personal issue (which I have a nasty feeling is going to come out somehow now that its been mentioned) is really weighing on his mind and affecting his game, his confidence is absolutely shot, or all of the above. His decision making has been pretty terrible as well, turning the ball over at critical junctures, and taking terrible shots out of the flow of the offense. The one area that Tyreke hasn't really struggled with though has weirdly enough been his defense, as he's actually looking pretty good in that area. The good thing with Tyreke is that we know how good he can be, and hopefully we'll see the return of the old 20-5-5 Reke, sooner rather than later (20-5-5 this year seemingly refers to his shooting percentages). Its no wonder this team is struggling when the best player has had a terrible season.
2. DeMarcus Cousins and Unfortunate Timing
If you haven't heard by now (like you have something better to do than read about the worst team in the NBA on the reg), DeMarcus Cousins was fined and removed from the starting lineup for taunting Reggie Williams at the end of the Golden State game. I don't have a problem with the fine, but the benching is tough for me to swallow. DeMarcus has been improving noticeably on the court for the last few weeks, and benching him now is a confidence and morale killer to me. Also, this nonsense about sending Cousins to the D-League? That's just ridiculous. The D-League is for development. The only place Cousins will get any development is in the NBA, where he can learn to play against players at his talent level.
3. Reports that Geoff Petrie and Paul Westphal are on the Hot Seat
It shouldn't be news that Westphal may be on the hot seat, as pretty much any coach that has started the season 5-22 would be. But to fire Petrie? That'd be a huge move, and in the wrong direction (my opinion). I can only hope that these rumors are indeed false, as they have been claimed to be.
4. The Abomination That Was the Warriors Game
I don't ever want to talk about this game ever again. Moving on.
5. 25 Turnovers Against Milwaukee
In a five point loss, to have 25 turnovers is unacceptable, especially when the other team only has 12. That's shooting yourself in the foot, and when you're only shooting 36% on the game, every possession matters. The Kings haven't figured that out yet.
6. Fourth Quarters
The Fourth Quarter marked our doom in each of the games this week. We were outscored by more than the margin of victory in each Fourth Quarter this week (meaning we had the lead going into the final period), and each game had the other team making multiple runs where we didn't score a bucket. Houston had two 7-0 runs over about 5 minutes, the Warriors had an 11-0 run in about 3 minutes, and the Bucks had a 12-0 run over 5 and a half minutes. I don't understand how a team can keep losing when they have the game in their hands and all they have to do is just play the exact same way the final 12 minutes.
Player of the Week:
Beno Udrih
19 PPG, .472 FG%, .429 3P%, 4.3 APG, 3.7 RPG, 1.3 SPG
Beno is not a player without his faults. He has many, including a tendency to drive into a crowd for no reason, and his poor defense (not for lack of effort though). But he also is a usually consistent, above-average offensive player. I almost feel bad for Beno, that he's stuck on this Kings team, because he'd be absolutely fantastic as the primary backup guard for a lot of playoff teams. But instead, he's stuck here, and he's making the most of it. I applaud him for that, and I hope that we can either trade him to a winner soon, or if he stays, that the wins eventually reward his effort.
Image / GIF of the Week:
by TheJust on Dec 24, 2010 8:30 AM PST reply actions 9 recs
Comment of the Week:
Cowboyron agrees with you
Your point is invalid.
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Highlight of the Week:
Caption Contest:
Last Week's Winner: vfettke
Caption: "What do you mean pass the ball? What do I look like, the freakin' Assist Fairy?!"
Last Week's Runner-Up: Andy Sims
"No, it's just a coincidence that my jersey matches the time left on the shot clock when I initiate the offense."
This Week's Picture:
A reminder of the rules for the Caption Contest. Leave your caption in the comments below, and the most rec'd (to recommend a comment, hit action, then rec) caption wins.
This week's caption contest winner will be receive the same job security Paul Westphal has.
Question of the Week:
If you were the Maloofs right now, what would you do in regards to this team? Would you stay the course, and keep chanting "In Petrie we Trust", or would you clean house?
And Nostradumbass Prediction for Next Week:
v. Los Angeles Clippers 12/27 W (I just can't predict ANOTHER loss to the Clippers. I just can't.)
v. Memphis 12/29 L (I can however predict another loss to the Grizzlies.)
@ Denver 1/1 W (We actually played Denver really well in each game last year, winning two of them and barely losing the other. I think we're due. Right? Please give us a winning week. Pleeeeeeeease)
Nostradumbass Record for the Season 14 - 15 (I decided to go optimistic last week, and as such I got three straight wrong predictions. PFFFT)
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petrie is the mang...
why let him go? he’s done such a great job this year and has drafted quite a few good players in his time. plus he’s made some great decisions in trades and such. give him his time, it will tell that he’s made the best of what he had.
i’d say we get melo!! why not right? trade them wings out for him if we have to. we’ll go get some just as good wings in FA if we have to. and on top of that, we’ll have a great starting unit.
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Petrie (note to self)…“that damn incisor is coming loose again…I should just rip it out and shove it in his ear…perhaps the tooth fairy will bring us the top pick in next year’s draft!”
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As The Warriors’ Reggie Williams shoots free throws late in a game in Sacramento, Kings’ GM Geoff Petrie taunts him with a “lip pinch” taunt. Petrie was later fined by the team and was sent to bed without his supper.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 26, 2010 7:23 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
Caption: Damn this is one bitter pill to swallow
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
by MustangMBS on Dec 26, 2010 7:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Great stuff Aykis
In a season noted for its inconsistency it is great to find consistent excellence in your work.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
by MustangMBS on Dec 26, 2010 7:31 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe its reached a point where the Maloofs realize they should no longer own an NBA team
Give them credit for tying to keep the team in Sac (loyalty) but the product is not even meeting minimal fan and sponsor expectations, not just the disaster of this season so far, but the last three. While the people posting here are some of the best King fans, the average fan can only take so much disappointment. I’m struggling with the idea that it’s ok to lose a lot of games to develop talent. Petrie has failed to assemble a credible team (coaching and talent). Cleaning hours is not an option given the people who created the mess (Maloof and GP) would still exist.
Did you notice the post earlier that mentions that attendance is up?
The average fan seems to be taking it alright somehow
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
That can happen when ticket prices are half what they were last year.
I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.
Donte Greene
has been doing that since his one year at Cuse. He barely played defense and jacked up a ton of bad shots. Then he proceeded to leave after one year making him one of the most frustrating players in Cuse history. Most Syracuse fans can’t stand him and he’s caught a lot of flack every time he’s come back.
Without Gerry McNamara we wouldn't have won 10 f-- games, not 10
Caption
(No caption is needed. This picture says it all.)
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
______________________
People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones - English Idiom
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Petrie: “These losses are sticking in my craw worse than this popcorn is sticking in my teeth.”
Bobby: “Most definitely.”
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 26, 2010 8:41 AM PST reply actions
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“If I can just rip out my tongue, maybe it’ll distract me from the pain of watching this team blow another fourth quarter.”
"DMC and Purple Jesus are gonna run shit very very soon" - "Gavin Maloof" commenting at probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/fear-demarcus-cousins-for-he-is-a-beast.php
Bright spot
for me, is that I actually saw the Kings play a lot of good defense this week. And, two or three quarters of good, entertaining basketball a night is better than nothing.
"DMC and Purple Jesus are gonna run shit very very soon" - "Gavin Maloof" commenting at probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/fear-demarcus-cousins-for-he-is-a-beast.php
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“A trade, if to eventuate, could in fact, if matters dictate, possibly, if certain events occur, allow us to take actions………Crap!! I even think cryptic!”
There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.
by ElRonToro on Dec 26, 2010 9:22 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
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Petrie (to self):
“Oh, Westphal, Westphal, Westphal,
I’m driven to distraction.
It’s going to be bad news
When Israel takes action.”
Man, that’s good stuff.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Dec 26, 2010 9:28 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Petrie needs to go
Honestly, the Kings need new blood. I think the Kings need to bring other people in and change the culture of the organization. Geoff Petrie hasn’t gotten the job done the past five years and the rebuilding project is taking way too long. I thought the Kings decided to rebuild in 2005 when they moved Webber and Christie and fast forward five years the progress of the rebuilding project leaves a lot to be desired.
I honestly don’t think firing another coach or drafting more talented players will change the fortune of the team too much. Something drastic needs to get done and changing the entire basketball operations team should be seriously considered.
Children, before you go to sleep check under your bed for the BOOGIE MAN!!
If you want a complete reset of the team
You should be ready for at least another 5 years bad play, plus the risk of getting a bad GM who runs the team completely off course. You’ve waited this long, and they said next year will be when our patience pays off, and you are going to jump ship on that now wasting all this time? If it doesn’t pan out next year then I can understand wanting to hit reset a lot more.
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 26, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
This is exactly how I feel on it.
This team is bad by design, though it was hoped to be not quite this bad. Next year is supposed to be the first real step forward after years of retreat and regroup.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 26, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hold on...
I thought the Kings’ slogan was “Here We Rise.” Thats what the ownership group has been selling no?
Last time I saw the team is 5-22 and no where near as competitive as last year. The Kings added more to its young core with Cousins/Whiteside and supposedly upgraded their frontline with Nocioni/Hawes for Dalembert. This team should not be 5-22.
Trust me from the way things are going… a drastic change is warranted.
Geoff Petrie has been a horrible GM the past 5 years and maybe thats why the team keeps changing coaches, most recently won only 17 and 25 games the past two years are on pace to have the worst record in the league.
Children, before you go to sleep check under your bed for the BOOGIE MAN!!
by kingme18 on Dec 26, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I am seeing a lot of this "the devil you know" argument
that kind of goes like, yes, Petrie hasn’t done a good job for the past 5-7 years, but somebody we pick to replace him could be worse.
Worse than what? We are already the third-worst team in the league over the past 5-plus seasons, so the downside from a change frankly is pretty limited.
"Remember now, patience and stop the whining. This is something we have to endure to get better. We have no choice. Stick with Petrie, stick with Westphal, stick with Tyreke, stick it to the fans."
by NewEraKings on Dec 26, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
The point is that Petrie's plan is nowhere near complete.
He’s been spending the past few years shedding contracts and amassing young assets. He hasn’t had his chance yet to do anything with the cap space or assets. I think he’s earned enough patience to let him take his best swing now that he’ll finally be able to step up to the plate over the next couple of seasons. If he clearly wiffs at that point, then yeah, there’s really no harm in going in another direction. But to do away with him now would be to dash his “vision” without every really knowing what it would’ve been or how it would’ve worked.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 26, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No Petrie has done a good job
the last 2 years.
Evans, Cousins, Casspi, Greene, Casspi, ample cap space and an extra 2nd round pick from the Bucks.
This is very much a be careful what you wish for, because you might get it situation.
Israeli's have that way on people.
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I don't think the Kings decided to rebuild in 2005
At that point, they were still trying to add pieces to stay in the chase. Bad decision, but the wholesale rebuilding didn’t start until about two years ago.
Now that Petrie’s cleared the cap space and built a young roster, it’s time for him to go? Possibly, but not because the rebuilding’s gone on for too long IMO.
The Kings
Certainly didn’t get a talent upgrade by swapping Webber for Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson and Brian Skinner. That dealt more signified that the Kings were not going to be elite with Webber and his contract was so albatross that the organization wanted to cut their losses and reduce payroll in the future.
The 2005 move set the wheels in motion for a rebuild, IMO.
Children, before you go to sleep check under your bed for the BOOGIE MAN!!
yeah but they did absolutely nothing after that until the Chicago trade
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 27, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
derp derp
actually the Bibby trade
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 27, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
I am very frustrated with the progress of the rebuilding. I honestly believed the Kings should be in the 32-40 win range. At the very least an improvement in the win column from last year. I certainly didn’t expect to be 5-22 and the most painful thing is to have only 3 wins at home.
Children, before you go to sleep check under your bed for the BOOGIE MAN!!
Well, far be it from me to channel pookeyguru
But maybe your expectations were unrealistic?
Having said that, I don’t altogether disagree with you regarding the product we’re seeing on the floor right now. It’s one thing to say we shouldn’t have expected them to be very good – but there weren’t wholesale changes from last season to this season, and the on-court product has clearly regressed.
This is Petrie’s biggest problem recently IMO – this group of youngsters has talent, but not having some kind of veteran on-court leadership to provide guidance to these kids might be a huge blunder.
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Geoff Petrie showing Mario Elie how to whistle for a cab, Princeton style.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 26, 2010 10:11 AM PST reply actions 9 recs
Two wins in December is the best to hope for?
Has no one remembered that this is the first Kings team to post a winning month in the last 3 seasons?
Ok, November 2-11, December 1-10 with two games to go. Sheesh.
I wanted to wait until the New Year before starting the – might as well go for the cellar and increase the odds of draft success. But this is a bit much.
I do expect more and better play from the team – but with DMC stuggling at the top of his frame and Tyreke at the bottom of his – it will be a while yet. The kindling is set for more and lively fires to flare – again, the Maloofs have been uncharacteristically quiet. 2010 has been one strange year.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 26, 2010 10:27 AM PST reply actions
Believe it or not, I still have hope.
Having a few days off from the Kings has reset my patience. The truth is, as bad as things are with this team, it seems like a few small changes could make a huge difference. This team is shooting the ball terribly, turning the ball over way too much (especially in the 4th quarter), and overall is losing games based more on mental errors than on simply being overmatched. The tools are mostly there. How many of the recent losses would be wins if just one or two more of our guys were even just shooting at their career average? If the team can fix the offense just to the point where they get a shot off during clutch time instead of turning the ball over (and often giving up an easy transition basket)?
Small fixes won’t make this a good team, but it may be enough to keep the torches and pitchforks in the sheds long enough to get through the season, get another exciting draft pick, get through the CBA mess, and hopefully spend some dough. I still have faith that the bruised egos can start to heal, the skills and focus can start to sharpen, and the desperation can start to disappear.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 26, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I would love to feel this way too
But I can’t. What is the reason for hope? When bad losses pile up, and there has been some doozies, lol, (correct spelling, btw) collective malaise, somberness and resignation sets in. Barring dramatic turn, this season is over. There is a misperception too the Kings are losing games in the 4th quarter. Against the Bucks, the Kings played horrible for all four quarters. It was only in the 4th the Bucks decided to step on the gas and put the game away.
Here’s how I see it: Barring a trade and upgrade of talent, for a reversal to occur this team needs an attitude transplant as precursor for anything positive. A coaching change can facilitate that change. Bill Walton, Bobby Jackson, or Jerry Reynolds on interim basis would be fantastic. Extreme choices, but we are extremely awful. If we are going to be bad, let’s at least inject a little more fun into the proceedings.
The team looks miserable. There needs to be an infusion of passion, camaraderie, enthusiasm, and spirit to approach their collective potential. Right now none of that exists. If I had to estimate, I would venture this team is playing at about 55-60% of their ability. Pathetic. Coaches have been fired for much less. (see Brown, Larry)
Here is the rub: Paul Westphal is the guy who needs to foster the attributes above, and he hasn’t done it. And if he hasn’t it done it thus far, who’s to think it will all of the sudden happen? I think there’s a lot of negative energy surrounding this coaches and players. It is time to wipe the slate clean.
The final straw was the benching of Big Cuz for an immature but insignificant gesture. If you want to bring out the worst in another person, see the worst qualities in them and put a microscope and magnify them disproportionately. If you want to bring out the best in another person, treat them in the way you envision them to some day become, even if they are not that person yet. PW in all his years has not learned this fundamental truth in human interaction.
by bench_blob on Dec 26, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, no sure PW can get it done
There’s more talent on this team than several with better records (e.g. Cleveland, Toronto) and at a certain point that comes down to coaching.
I think the Clippers game tomorrow will be a major game for Westphal. A good win at home can give the team some hope and cure some of the woes. Another miserable loss and it’s going to continue to get harder to justify his continued employment.
I'm feeling about the same ASSN
and somehow believe we’ll see a corner turned soon.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
Caption:
“I’ve been thinking long and hard about this, and I don’t think photoshopped submissions should be eligible for winner of the caption contest.”
Thanks for the article, Aykis!
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Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Dec 26, 2010 11:01 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
Thanks for being the one to say it.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 26, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
No problem, I'm an ass.
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Which I will eat.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 26, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If you were the Maloofs right now, what would you do in regards to this team? Would you stay the course, and keep chanting “In Petrie we Trust”, or would you clean house?
I’d cap everyone and everything. The fans, the city, the team, the NBA, and start over somewhere else. World Domination in KC? Absolutely! When nothing else is around!
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
To be fair to GP
I really don’t think he gets free rein to do what HE thinks is best… I feel the Maloof’s tinker and meddle way too much and have many restrictions or forced opinions placed upon GP, so he does what he can with with limited spending available etc etc…
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
If you were a talented GM who could work anywhere, would you cave in if you thought it was wrong?
If Petrie had any pride or backbone, he wouldn’t let the owners make him do anything he believed was wrong. And, should have quit first.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Easier said than done
especially if he has loyalty to this city and franchise. Like with any job, you do have to know when to pick your battles.
I’m not absolving Petrie of anything mind you. He’s the GM, so he takes a good deal of the credit/blame. But to think he should quit his job because his boss overrides him on a decision or two doesn’t make sense to me.
Theuss, Natt, Westphal, not signing anyone decent when you have $14M in cap space is more than a couple of overrides
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Well
We may never know the exact list. I would guess Muss and Theus. Natt was just the lead assistant when they let his boss go. I’m not sure anyone “picked” him.
I don’t see any reason why Petrie should have spent that money last offseason. There was no reason. Our team is still forming and there were no impact players (who wanted to sign here) and a lot of team’s with capspace. Sitting tight was smart. Now we will see what the Kings do with the money. My guess is that if Petrie didn’t believe the Maloofs weren’t willing to spend money, he would have left.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 26, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I always thought of him (Natt)
as what would have happened if Spiro Agnew had not resigned before Tricky Dick.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 26, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a historical funny right dere.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hah! That would have been especially precious
if you’d said it at the time.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
I love the balls that you have, suggesting others should quit a multi-million dollar job.
Your boss ever piss you off? Ever decide to become unemployed because of it?
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by andy sims on Dec 26, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn, you seem grouchy lately
And most normal people aren’t in Petrie’s shoes – he could have quit at any time and found a job (probably making more money) in fairly short order.
No matter how much money you make, the decision to keep or give up a job relies entirely on your outside options. Do you really think Petrie would have a shortage of those?
I suppose strictly speaking, he has 29 options available to him.
I couldn’t really speak as to how many of them would be viable. Besides, if a bunch of regular Joes have figured out how stupid Petrie has managed to get in the past two months, do you think actual professionals haven’t noticed? Why would anyone hire a guy with (and I paraphrase half the panel) Petrie’s awful record?
I mean, Petrie’s a smart guy, a Princeton grad. He’d be the first to realize how dumb he’s gotten. And having noticed how dumb he is, certainly he’d be smart enough to not quit a good job, just because his bosses (no credible evaluation of intelligence available) are pinching pennies, and making business decisions with their Carl’s Jr-filled guts.
He’s too smart to quit a job because of that. And also too stupid. Win-win, everybody!
Or lose-lose. I’ve lost track.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Dec 26, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I realize you like to deal in extremes during discourse
But I didn’t realize people were calling Geoff Petrie “dumb”.
The problem arguing with you is you don’t see how anyone could possibly question Petrie’s track record – as if, even during his “successful” seasons, he was perfect and above second guessing. Yet the Maloofs, who were the first Sacramento owners to have a successful franchise, are never beyond your wrath.
Things change Andy. Maybe Geoff Petrie is still the same smart guy he was in the past, but has trouble understanding developing a cohesive roster with younger athletes.
Here’s the thing – can you say that Geoff Petrie has had a track record of success building teams for anyone but Rick Adelman?
To clarify
I’d like to see Petrie stick around and finish what he started here.
But to imply an argument can’t be made for his firing – that it’s complete crazy talk to think so – is crazy talk in itself.
Agreed 100%
While I think that it would be a monumental mistake to fire Petrie at this point, I sure have seen folks (especially in the sports world) fired for less.
I think to fire him at this point is capricious and that it would put the Kings organization in an even worse light with potential trade acquisitions/free agents. I probably won’t feel the same way if this franchise is still in its current condition in a year or so.
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by section214 on Dec 26, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's fair, of course.
I’d still prefer it not be done in the heat of the moment, and find someone who would be a definite improvement. If we are buying in desperation, the price will be too high, and the odds of finding a true successor are greatly lessened. The same goes for Westphal.
Here’s the thing – can you say that Geoff Petrie has had a track record of success building teams for anyone but Rick Adelman?
I can’t say it. I can say with reasonable certainty, however, that the fact that Adelman was not renewed wasn’t Petrie’s decision. So, in the recent merry-go-round of coaches, no, Petrie has not managed to build a team for any of the four replacements hired in the past four seasons.
no, Petrie has not managed to build a team for any of the four replacements hired in the past four seasons.
I’m quoting myself, because I have a huge ego. Anyone else spot the flaw in that sentence?
We can keep firing coaches, and maybe we can even find one who makes less than Westphal. Hell, maybe we can even start having a revolving door of GMs for good measure. I doubt that the consistent lack of consistency will improve the on-court product, but maybe we just haven’t tried it long enough.
I understand a lot of this is sore feelings about the team not living up to whatever expectations each of us may have had. But honestly? I think a lot of you (no idea if this includes you, otis. I don’t care to check, and it doesn’t matter) who think that typing “KAAAAAAAAHN” as a punchline are just feeling a little silly to find that the Timberwolves apparently have a savvier operator in the corner office than the Kings do.
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Kahn isn't that savvy.
But it’s quite possible that Tony Ronzone is. Ronzone is Kahn’s right hand man that Kahn hired shortly after he was brought in in 2009. I’ve asked a couple Wolves fans about whose decision was it to take Wesley Johnson: More than a few noted that it was a group decision, and not just Kahn’s. (That could be rhetoric and could be truth. But if I were the Wolves I would have taken Johnson too. My reasoning is that Kevin Love and DeMarcus Cousins are too redundant as players to ultimately make the impact both could make to the right next player.)
It’s easy to forget, but that Wolves roster was in shambles when Kahn took it over. Kevin McHale and Glen Taylor (the owner) did so much damage that it took a ton of tweaking to find a reasonable roster with youth, veterans and whatever have you to move it forward. If Al Jefferson is your best player, you’re going to lose a lot of games. Especially if he is also your highest paid player.
I always get a kick out of people (Jerry Reynold’s fake comment coming) killing Kahn for taking 3 PG’s, and then noting that 2009 was a PG strong draft. I mean, aren’t you supposed to take the BPA? For all the criticism that some were giving Kahn for not taking Ty Lawson, what has Lawson shown this year that makes the Wolves considerably better? Lawson has performed well, true. At what point has he shown to be a star that really makes your team better? Isn’t that what the Kings need? A franchise player for the next decade?
As NEK’s comment concluded in the Petrie fired poll comments, there are many better players if you take a player by PERfor48 minutes than Tyreke Evans. Other than Blake Griffin, are any of those guys franchise players? No. And many of those guys aren’t being asked to do things that Tyreke Evans is. None of those guys is facing defenses who pack the lane like Reke is seeing nightly. Even Monta Ellis and Steph Curry aren’t seeing that.
This is the problem with the NBA, and the problem with fans. Fans quite often (or seemingly anyway) want to believe that when a particular player struggles it means that player isn’t a franchise guy; NBA franchises can’t afford to have that point of view. The decision to have Tyreke Evans being your franchise player was always bound to have it’s rough points and struggles that included showing patience as a pre-requisite when the ridiculously rough stretches came around. Warts are included when trying to take your franchise to a higher level. (And these warts aren’t the kind you use CompoundW Freeze Off to get rid of. Available at any corner drug store. Brought to you by Samsung HD.)
There are quite a few people often quote Oklahoma City as a franchise that is successful while conveniently ignoring the amount of growing pains and headaches the team endured during Durant’s first 2 seasons. Nevermind that in 07 the Sonics had both Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis to trade (which were stronger assets at the time than anything the Kings have had since the 00-04 teams), which made improvement much easier when handled the right way, and the Sonics also had the 2nd & 5th picks from the 2007 draft (Durant & Jeff Green), the 4th pick from the 2008 draft (Russell Westbrook) and the 24th pick (Serge Ibaka), the 2009 3rd overall pick that netted James Harden (with some saying they should have taken Tyreke Evans or Stephen Curry—personally I think Harden was the right pick), and in 2010 managed to snag the 11th overall pick (Cole Aldrich) using 2 lower picks, one of which was OKC’s, and one of which was Phoenix’s picks (the other Phx pick was used on Ibaka).
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Now, explain to me where Geoff Petrie had an All-Star, at any point, to trade since the “glory” years. (And since Ron Artest will be brought up, if he was such a valuable talent, why would Geoff Petrie only trade him away for Bobby Jackson, Donte Greene and the draft pick that became Omri Casspi?) Explain to me where Geoff Petrie has been lucky to get a major star like Durant or a way to take a Kurt Thomas (which was how the Thunder got the 2 1st rounders from Phoenix) using a TPE in the Rashard Lewis S&T, or the other high draft picks (in fairness though the Thunder dropped to 4th after having the worst record in the 07-08 season) that have preceded those deals. Even then, in 2008 Presti dealt Thomas to San Antonio and received another 1st round pick in 2009. That pick ended up getting the Thunder Thabo Sefalosha after trading it in 2009 to the Bulls (they took Taj Gibson).
I expect that people think Geoff Petrie needs to be successful in order to be considered successful. But, at any point, where has Geoff Petrie had the opportunity to take advantage of his assets which include: 3 potential top 5 picks in consecutive years 2009-11, cap space in 2010 or 11 (you don’t always have to use it immediately), or many expiring contracts in conjunction with cap space. How quickly does all of this have to happen before it’s doomed to be a failure?
If we are still talking about a struggling disjointed basketball team this time next year, it’s clear that Petrie’s time is done here. Whether that’s because of the Maloof’s penny pinching or not, it doesn’t matter. You either make do with the scraps you get, or you don’t.
But I’m talking about New Years Day 2012, not 2011.
This is why comparing one team to the next isn’t all that useful in the long run. You can look at the Wolves roster and conclude that either A) Kahn is a colossal idiot, B) inherited a dreadful situation C) or both. You could claim that Sam Presti is A) a genius B) inherited a lot of useful assets or C) both. Likewise with Geoff Petrie, you could A) claim that he is an idiot of the most stupendous order by delaying a rebuild by at least 3 years along the way damaging the value of his asset’s by bringing in a ticking time bomb (Ron Artest), missing out on stars like David Lee, Monta Ellis, Rajon Rondo, Serge Ibaka (okay I’m having fun with that one) and such, and not exert more force in the control of the franchise with the Maloof’s. You could also conclude that B) Petrie was dealing within the confines of what he felt the team needed most at the time and thus took on players that he would help the team. For instance you could also say that while missing Rajon Rondo in the draft, you could ask would he have had the same development without a Ray Allen, Paul Pierce or Kevin Garnett around? You could do the same with Monta Ellis given that the Kings already had Kevin Martin at the time. C) You could conclude that Geoff Petrie is an idiot now who has lived off his successes for far too long and this rebuild should have been over already. Or D) you could relax and stop acting like a self deluded asshole and recognize that situations with each NBA team from one to the next are not nearly as fluid and applicable as we like to believe. This probably includes being more patient with Petrie and giving him the requisite and necessary time for this thing to percolate and roast as we all hope it should.
In the meantime though, I say we call for GP’s head. That will fix things. Maybe if we get lucky we can behead Kahn and laugh how we were able to get GP fired AND Kahn beheaded at the same time. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
- Note: This isn’t just in reply to Sims.
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by pookeyguru on Dec 26, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Where will we be in a year?
If we are still talking about a struggling disjointed basketball team this time next year, it’s clear that Petrie’s time is done here. Whether that’s because of the Maloof’s penny pinching or not, it doesn’t matter. You either make do with the scraps you get, or you don’t.
But I’m talking about New Years Day 2012, not 2011.
I think if you’re going to stick with Petrie, you’re going to stick with him for at least a couple of years, because this isn’t all going to play out this summer and at next year’s post Dec. 15 trading period.
This is a bad team, and expecting them to show a lot of improvement in the next year may be a stretch no matter who is holding the reins – unless major changes are made. And I don’t think Petrie’s current methodical style is going to have him making those major changes.
A decade ago, he probably had the chops to do so. I’d be interested in what that Geoff Petrie could do, but that guy seems to have left the building.
"Remember now, patience and stop the whining. This is something we have to endure to get better. We have no choice. Stick with Petrie, stick with Westphal, stick with Tyreke, stick it to the fans."
A lot can change in a year. That's why i said it.
Petrie’s contract runs through 2013. There is plenty of time to show him the door and go for a new direction if that’s what’s necessary.
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I've missed your rants!
(but I seriously need to go back and find all your comments from 2009 about BG not being a franchise player and Curry could easily have played successfully next to Westbrook)
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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2010 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Funny you should mention Griffin.
Anyone who didn’t say that Griffin was perfect will look like “Oh you didn’t know he was good”. Please, dude had like 12 boards and a 65 TS% in college. I knew he would be the #1 pick. I didn’t know if he would become a franchise player (something still in question at this point), and what not. It is what it is. If nothing else it’s proof that I’m not perfect. (I was waiting for you to bring this up btw lttg.)
On one hand, I’m still wondering whether Griffin is a franchise player. (It’s something that is obviously being questioned with Tyreke.) On one hand, he certainly looks like one at this point. Injuries may be the only thing (and it would be sad if this happened) that keep Griffin out of the Hall. For Clipper fans sake, I hope it doesn’t happen.
I still think Curry COULD have played next to Westbrook, but I’m not sure how well it would have worked with OKC’s needs and Durant around. If you had a Milwaukee team where Westbrook and Curry would get a lot of those shots, then I think it would work well. That’s just one way it would work I think. But, again, circumstances often dictate what players GM’s think they should take where.
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Hey, I was joshing
after all – Thabeeeet!
(Though I wanted Curry in the end)
But Griffin assuming health has gone a long long way already towards showing that he’s probably a franchise guy.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I wanted Thabeet at one time. I knew you were ribbing me a little and that's fine.
I never said Blake Griffin couldn’t be a franchise player; I just wondered then (and now honestly) if his defense would ever be up to snuff and that level. It may not matter given how A) how much he boards and B) the other guys around him may make up for the lack of impact that Griffin has defensively.
It wouldn’t have mattered anyway what I would have wanted; Petrie and his staff would have taken whoever they wanted at #1 which, most likely, would be Blake Griffin.
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What I'm suggesting is that Petrie is a talented GM who isn't going to be coerced
Maybe he lets the Maloof’s have their way on Musselman, but I think he has too much pride and self respect to let the Maloof’s push 3 coaches down his throat. I think he believed in what he was doing or he would have quit.
And, therefore, he shouldn’t be thought to be blameless, and a puppet of the Maloof’s. I also don’t believe that the game plan was necessarily a bad one. If they had gotten the performance out of Tyreke, Cousins, and Casspi, that we all expected, none of us would be having this conversation.
There is still time to pull out this season, but I don’t think we can wait for the trade deadline. What he does next will be more important than what he’s done in the last 3 yrs. and will define his legacy as a GM.
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Partially on board
Petrie is not blameless. No one is trying to deify him. I thought he selected Westphal after the Maloofs selected Muss & Theus.
I still don’t want him fired. Our team is filling with talent. Now he needs to augment it and probably try to pick a new coach. I do think he can wait till the deadline if necessary. The last thing we need to do is make a panic move. We have time and we have options. You are correct that Petrie needs to make the right move. We just disagree about the necessity of haste.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 26, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree
That what he does next may define his legacy. But it should build off what he’s done the last three years, that is accumulating young assets and cap space – and I’m not sure that it can’t wait until the deadline (though I certainly hope it’s sooner) if that’s where/when the player(s) he wants are available.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
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Petrie: This Cyanide tastes better than our 4th quarter play.
by tonyfrmnatomas on Dec 26, 2010 11:32 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
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I should of drafted Rubio. That way I can just tell everyone “don’t worry I’m building our team around Rubio. So once he gets here it will all come together” That would’ve given me atleast 2 more years longer than the “CBA” excuse.
I love beating dead horses.
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Akis, you wacky optimistic kid you
Another fine post. I have to admit that at times I’ve been considering that it may finally be time for the Maloofs to let Petrie go. But like ASSBN, my frustration level has been somewhat reduced over the Christmas break. The Golden State game was actually fun to watch and if the roster just played to their career averages things would definitely be looking better, especially Reke.
The Bucks game was beyond horrible, basically unwatchable and I thought that Westphal might be fired the next day. I don’t know what effect the team’s struggle have had on attendance. I really don’t know that there are any quick fixes this season.
When the family bought the team, owning a NBA franchise was a game for multi -hundred millionaire owners. In the intervening time it has become a game for billionaires. Regardless of the difficulties associated with all small market teams I’m not sure that the Maloof’ family net worth is sufficient for them to play with the big boys anymore.
I’m resigned to total suckitude for the rest of this season. Changes need to be made. The evidence seems to show that mid season changes yield marginal improvements at best. In light of very possible and significant improvements to the Maloof’s ownership situation with the new CBA from revenue sharing and salary reduction I don’t see the need for a knee jerk reaction that would mollify some fans for a little while but not improve thee King’s situation long term.
The pending lock out is looking like it’s going to happen. There will plenty of time to make the needed changes that are starting to be considered now. The Kings are going to have good draft position, hopefully drafting somewhere around 1 – 5. The team should have the greatest financial flexibility of any team to pick up one or more vets in the . Despite the obvious evidence to the contrary I still believe in the young talent the team has amassed. There is still 60 days to the trade deadline meaning anything is still possible.
I do think the one imperative action the Maloofs/Petrie need to make is to address the situation publicly. To many fans the teams situation is looking entirely hopeless when from my point of view looking long term there are a lot of reasons for optimism. Hope is the antidote to despair and that hope has to come from the people who are in the position to make it reality.
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by Bluejohn on Dec 26, 2010 1:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Your encouraging words do have a darker side
As you pointed out the Maloofs aren’t billionaires, and not making money off of over $350M worth of equity isn’t a smart investment. And, the way the economy is hitting their inventments in Las Vegas, you have to wonder how much longer they can treat the Kings as a hobby.
And, with their low salary and minimal financial committment to Arco, and the fact that a lockout removes all hope of making a profit in Sacramento. Wouldn’t the prudent move be to sell the franchise?
They spent a lot of money in sales and by hyping their 2 young stars, but the end result doesn’t match up with the experience that they were selling. And, while the attendence is up, how much is due to the reduced prices and deals. Those deals must also be reducing revenue over years past, even with more bodies in the seats.
The Maloof’s had a lot riding on Tyreke and DeMarcus, and they haven’t come through for them. Are they willing to gamble that another first round pick can do more? Or, as most good gamblers do, will they cut their losses and get out of the game?
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Only it is all based on odds. They finally got this team in a position to really start building and would be selling cheap. Selling and getting a lot less than they would if it was turned around.
The odds are pretty good that this team will be worth much more in a few years. They are not losing money now and have nothing to lose or further to invest to hold onto the team. All they have to do is hold on one more year, get a little more development and another top pick, have good prospects for an arena, and then invest in a game changing free agent during the fire sale of the new CBA.
They do all this and the team is worth much more money.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Good points, but it is still a gamble
NO arena, no future star available in the draft, little development by Tyreke or DMC, and a drop off in attendance around the league after a lockout, and they could see what equity they now have drop.
But, your probably right, although I think it will be how the rest of their empire is going that will have more to due with their decision than how the Kings progress.
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They are 30 NBA Franchises and they own the majority shares of one of them.
They aren’t going to sell unless they no longer want to be owners.
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An investment
The franchise is already worth much more than they paid and as the economy improves over the next year or two it’s value will skyrocket.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Lockout finances
The NBA negotiated as part of their network deals that they get paid next season whether there are games or not.(The networks get reimbursed in future yrs for any games missed.)
Most owners will make money if games are canceled.(And we can see why the owners are being extremely aggressive in their offer to the Players Association.)
Wow, I had no idea, that was how it was set up. Thanks for the info
now I can start making plans for what I’m going to do during the lockout. ;)
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petrie a puppet
Things will stay the same.we will continue to loose games.maloofs wil not fire westphal because they are cheap.so all we have is hope for first pick.guys do not get me wrong i love my kings but any fool can see what is happening here.
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I read your posts
I just stop every time I get to the word loose.
There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.
It's wierd how some people,
no matter how smart/intelligent/wise in real life, portray themselves so horribly on the internet.
And vice-versa.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 27, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Stay the course
If you had a plan, go through with it. How can Petrie be judged when the plan it’s not even done? Terrible seasons were going to be expected, and while I’m dissapointed with what’s going on, Petries deserves (in my mind) the chance to finish his work.
And if, as a fan, you have no hope, then why are you even rooting for this team?
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by edm7 on Dec 26, 2010 1:51 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Was the plan supposed to take this long?
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I believe so
How long did you think it was going to take?
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by andy sims on Dec 26, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
To be honest I was expecting thing to continue to improve but when things take a tip for the worse, that should worry fans. I never was under the impression the Kings would be winning 50 games in two years after winning just 17 in 2009 but I certainly didn’t expect the Kings be on pace to win just 15 games this season after such a promising start to 2009-2010 season.
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I think we're all dissapointed in a way with this start
But it’s hard for me to not give the process as a whole time, when we had such a great run earlier in the decade, and when we are only a few years removed from those years. I’d love for the Kings to be successful every year (or only have a couple down years after a bit of success), but I’m not sure that’s realistic. I’d love to be like the Spurs or the Lakers, but we’re not so there’s that.
It’s easy to judge Petrie’s moves on the way down but hindsight is always 20/20. Would’ve been easier rebuilding after Webber’s knee gave up? Maybe. Did the Maloofs and front office held on too long, staying in mediocre-to-good land? Probably. There were some mistakes but it’s not like we (as fans) had the answers back then either and would’ve done anything differently. It’s easy to write on the internet and criticize the moves that were/ have to be made, to improve the situation but I bet it’s a lot harder than that in real life.
It would’ve also been easier to stay in mediocre-good land, if that’s what some want. I’m sure keeping Artest, Bibby, Martin, and a signing more players to the MLE could maybe put us in playoff contention the past couple years (not even a guarantee to make it) but with zero championship aspirations. If that’s what some fans want, that’s their right and they should let it be known. I would prefer something a little more, and I think that’s the ultimate goal of the front office now. Whether it works or not, that’s a different story. But we’re in a better place today than we were two years ago and I don’t think anyone can convince me otherwise.
I don’t know if this rebuilding process will be successful. Actually, if the past couple weeks are any indication it may not. But I still believe that it can work, and as someone who has absolutely zero say in what the front office actually does, I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt and support until it’s proven that it didn’t work. Even after that, I’ll remain a fan and I’m guessing I won’t be alone there.
As section mentions below this comment, I guess we’re the others and not the some anymore. I don’t have a problem with that
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by edm7 on Dec 26, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't remember anyone saying
after Webber blew out his knee that the whole team should be blown up. In hindsight he was our franchise guy and some of the others, All-Stars or not were merely complimentary players.
But I remember a lot of talk about the team being rebuilt around Bibby and Peja – and one of them ‘steppping up’ to be the new franchise guy.
They weren’t capable.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
Agree, and that's the point
We know that now, but didn’t back then. Hindsight and all, I guess…
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I agree with Eddie on this.
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2/16/08
That was the day that Bibby was traded, and it was really the first of the “deconstruction” deals. So it has not even been 3 years since that deal was made. I suppose that this is a long time for some, not a long time for others. Include me as one of the others, not one of the some.
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Even then the rebuild didn't really start happening until the next deadline.
Definitely include me in the others.
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by PhutureKings on Dec 26, 2010 3:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
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Won't matter cuz it's green now.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Only Petrie would have a semicolon in his internal dialogue.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 26, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
I really hope this goes green. Especially with the amount of grammar nazi's around here.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And the inordinate amount of "Photoshops shouldn't win the caption contest" Nazis
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EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
How about we ban photoshopped captions, but rename it the "Vfettke would Always Win if Photoshop was Allowed Caption Contest"?
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 27, 2010 7:32 AM PST up reply actions
Or I can just solve both problems by having this be the Image/Gif of the week
It certainly deserves it.
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EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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“Mmm………..Fingernails.”
"That's like Swede on Swede violence."-Randy Hahn
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
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" ….. what if CowboyRon is right? What if I am just a puppet?? NAH! He’s just a tool."
by Dub_TC on Dec 26, 2010 6:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Westphal and Petrie are lucky
What may be saving their bacon is that the Maloofs simply don’t have enough money to pay both them and their replacements.
"Remember now, patience and stop the whining. This is something we have to endure to get better. We have no choice. Stick with Petrie, stick with Westphal, stick with Tyreke, stick it to the fans."
Joe came out pretty strongly in support of Geoff (and Paul, I think).
Even people that don’t like the Maloofs can’t say they’re scumbags that would flat-out lie so blatantly and publicly.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 27, 2010 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
They did to Artest
And I seem to remember them denying that Kevin Martin was going to be traded merely days before he was in fact dealt.
"Remember now, patience and stop the whining. This is something we have to endure to get better. We have no choice. Stick with Petrie, stick with Westphal, stick with Tyreke, stick it to the fans."
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“Shit.”
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 27, 2010 10:51 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
The problem, IMO, is developing the young players
Petrie built this team by trying to see what players could become. When he looked at Donte Greene, he saw Rashard Lewis (or whatever). The roster he built could be a good roster if those players could develop. The problem is that they aren’t. Cisco, one of the supposed veterans, shoots the ball every time he touches it. Donte bombs away looking for a hot streak. Omri fires all the time. JT and Tyreke barrel into defenders constantly. The only player on this team that consistently does what he’s good at is Beno, and his main problem is that he’s just not cut out to be the best player on a team; he’s more of a fourth or fifth starter or good bench player.
These players constantly make “me-first” mistakes; they dribble into traffic, bomb away from long range, and hog the ball on the break instead of spreading it out. Their team defense is deplorable. Their closeouts on long-range shooters are pathetic. Their pick and roll defense is worse than Sac State’s.
At some point, the players need to put what they’ve learned into action, and though that definitely falls on the players, it also falls on the coaches to teach them what they need to learn to the point where it’s second nature. See the pass, rotate to the ball. Run the break with your eyes downcourt. Get the ball to your guard, big man. As the players mature, they need to at least start doing this, but these players don’t seem to be able to figure this stuff out.
Petrie brought home a big pile of clay for Westphal to play with, and all we have so far is a giant ashtray. I’m against change for the sake of change, but firing Westphal wouldn’t be for the sake of change, it’d be for the lack of change in his players’ stages of development as well as other various misgivings. I just can’t see how this team benefits one tiny bit from Westphal sticking around even through this season; I fear it would more likely hurt our players’ development to keep him around than it would hurt to let him go mid-season and let an interim coach have a go.
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To quote the repeatedly asked question:
Just who would that mythical interim coach be? Do you have any candidates?
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Mario Elie!
He can teach the rest of the cats how to be a DUI machine! Lord knows they aren’t drinking enough after every loss.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm fine with pretty much anyone
Eyen is the likely replacement if Westphal is fired, though it’d probably be best to get someone not currently in the organization.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 27, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
I'll take the job!
I could definitely use the money.
And since you are good with anyone, I’m a shoe in.
I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.
by LOUiECOG on Dec 27, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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Damn, I found a lot of hair in the sink this morning – and I think my teeth are feeling loose.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
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Yes, Vladamir, I see you at the top of the key alone with two seconds left.
Please stop grinning at me.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 27, 2010 2:14 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
What a way of sinking in a painful loss! I can’t imagine the Kings were floored in the three accounts and instances of the games. Just like you put it, it is not the best of the Christmas gift for the entire Kings family.
That was God disguised as Michael Jordan
by sheltonchristina on Dec 27, 2010 5:33 PM PST reply actions

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