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What did you expect?



No, seriously.  What did you expect?

Star-divide

Obviously, not a title, or playoffs, or even a .500 record.  So is this really about the "hope to see improvement, etc, etc?"  Because I would agree, that would have been the only realistic goal going in to the season.  We're now one-third of the way through, you have seen no improvement?

I feel like Cousins' game has gotten markedly more refined, just in a couple of months.  The stuff in practice, the choking gesture, all of that?  Two months into his pro career?  I honestly don't give a damn.  He's a volatile kid, he's done nothing that he wasn't essentially accused of doing before, and if he's still doing it at the end of his rookie contract, then I'll think it's a real problem.  If you feel like it was a mistake to have picked him, I respect that.  Whom better should the Kings have chosen with the 5th selection?

The rest of the team?  Been pretty blah, for the most part.  I guess I'd be upset at Petrie for making Evans' feet hurt, if I thought he had anything to do with it.  Evans game hasn't regressed, he's hurt.  I'd rather see him miss games than play at half-speed, and at this point, what difference does it make if he sits now and then?

Beno was great last year.  He's been great this year.  He sucked before Westphal took over.  Is Westphal that awesome, or did Beno just manage to get his act together?  A little of the former, a lot of the latter.  No one seems to feel like giving Westphal any credit for Beno's emergence as a reliable contributor.  It's not necessary, and I'm sure it won't matter, anyway.  Beno is just a stopgap.

Thompson's game has rounded into shape really nicely, I think, he's fouling less on defense, and has been delightfully aggressive around the basket.  Westphal's influence?  I think even the most argumentative among us would agree that Jeter & Jackson have been, frankly, better than we could have hoped.

So, Omri and Greene are inconsistent (and college-aged!), Garcia is a step slower than before, and is either really on or way off, Dalembert has been uncharacteristically inefficient (Was he injured for the first time in years?  STOP MAKING EXCUSES), and Carl has been less efficient than he was when he was surrounded by veterans and guys that could shoot.  How about that...

The team lacks talent in that it doesn't have what anyone actually thinks is NBA-starting caliber players, and the couple we do have are either very young, injured, or both.  It lacks a leader, and/or a veteran presence, neither of which were signed by Petrie in the last off-season, or a previous one.

Given the cap situation, the peculiar hyper-inflation in contracts last summer, and the looming CBA expiration, should Petrie have begged the Maloofs to shell out to go after one of the available players?  And if so, who might we have managed to get?  Should we have backed up the armored car for Joe Johnson?  He has similar numbers to Evans, and has only missed 10 games.

Petrie is, of course, not blameless.  The team reflects the moves he's made, especially over the past few seasons.  Is this team as bad as its record?  I don't think it is.  Don't get me wrong, this isn't a good team, but save for some lapses, a few more wins could have been achieved.  The inability of this squad to finish is Petrie's fault, in that he's the one that signed all of them to play here.  He knew how young all of them were,  how much seasoning they would need, and yet, he signed them anyway.  I guess he sees potential in them, and thought that as the plan continues to unfold, they could be part of a good team in a few years.  

His real mistake was not writing a nice article here, advising us to keep expectations in check.  He allowed us, sensible adults, to form our own opinions about what we thought would happen this season.  And again, then allowed Evans feet to hurt, and for everyone else to forget how to make shots.  There may be someone out there that could step in and do a better job on the rebuild, although I admit to having no idea who that would be.  I also feel like making this move now reeks of desperation, and bad as the Kings are, I don't feel desperate about it.  Youngest team in the NBA with no all-stars and injured ROY can't win games.  Who is going to solve this?

Petrie's not blameless.  He can't be; this is his team.  My point now, as ever, is that the things that are most responsible for the pathetic state of the team at this moment, just aren't his fault.

Change is necessary, obviously, and change is coming.  The issue is whether you expect change in the weather by patiently waiting for the inevitable arrival of Spring, or if you insist on spending money you don't have to hop on a plane to someplace warm.  

South Beach, maybe.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Too good for me to even add anything

I’m just rec’ing, smiling, and walking.

(I’m not alone!! I’m not alone!!!)

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Dec 26, 2010 7:53 PM PST reply actions  

seconded

There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Dec 26, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

A just like sims to end with a zinger
The issue is whether you expect change in the weather by patiently waiting for the inevitable arrival of Spring, or if you insist on spending money you don’t have to hop on a plane to someplace warm.

South Beach, maybe

by betweentheeyes on Dec 26, 2010 8:09 PM PST reply actions  

Good Call

Summed up exactly what I’ve been thinking lately. The Kings biggest problem was that I think too many of us(me included) got caught up thinking that Cousins was gonna be rookie Shaq circa 1992, Tyreke was gonna keep developing and be a Wade/Lebron hybrid and the team was going to win around 40 games and compete for an 8th seed.

I’d say what the Kings need now is TIME, a better offensive game plan that can create space for Tyreke and DMC. And flipping the pieces that really don’t fit into assets that can get us a shooter or a strong veteran leader.

You hit the nail on the head about Westphal and GP, both have done well considering the hand they were dealt this year. It’s hard to win in poker when you have the low hand on the table. Jerry West as the GM and Phil Jackson as the coach couldn’t have done much better with this team in this 2010-2011 season.

by Ponaldson on Dec 26, 2010 8:11 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I'll add

I certainly enjoyed the Dubs loss more than some of the losses with a bunch of vets going through the motions 3 years ago.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 26, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Many of us were begging for the Kings to "blow it up" as recently as two and a half years ago. Well, it got blown up – it got blown up good. And now the rebuild is underway, though not quickly enough for a growing number of fans.

This is why I’m willing to be patient. I think the time will come where patience should be thrown out the door and Petrie should be shown the exit. But not now. Let him get enough asset’s and have the opportunity to make a real splash. THEN let’s talk about failure.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 26, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

yup.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 27, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Admirable absurdity, my friend.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 26, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Danke. Danke.

As long as one person gets it, its appreciated. Everything else is superfluous (but cool).

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 26, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you're officially my favorite person on StR, Pookey.

Or at least you would be, if you were a human.

Too bad.

In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg

by PurpleLoco on Dec 26, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Such is life Loco.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 26, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't let him lull you into a false sense of security Loco

The Guru’s have been known to eat their own and just because little pookey was the only one of his litter to survive, don’t let the fact that he licks your hand when you give him a beer make you think he’s your friend.

"It ain't Chinese algebra" - Tony Allen from Basketbawful

by Bluejohn on Dec 28, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Awesome. Absolutely awesome

The Carl Landry expectation was my favorite.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 27, 2010 6:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Outstanding

My favorite part was Darnell Jackson.

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by Exhibit G on Dec 27, 2010 6:36 AM PST up reply actions  

So what you're saying...

Is you got exactly what you expected?

I cannot agree with those who rank modesty among the virtues. To the logician all things should be seen exactly as they are, and to underestimate one’s self is as much a departure from truth as to exaggerate one’s own powers.
--Holmes, on Modesty

by Donovan Jeska on Dec 27, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely what I'm saying. Right down to the very T of the very core of every belief I hold. Yesterday that is.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I just expected

Tyreke to average maybe 20-5-6
Landry to average 18-8 slightly better than his Rockets average but with starters minutes
Dalembert to average his normal career 10-10-2 blocks
Casspi to play how he did the first few months of last season maybe 13-6 or something like that
beno to play as good as he did last season(& he has)
Cousins, JT, Donte, & Cisco to be a decent bench which I believe they should be
The Kings to win atleast 30 games
Paul Westphal to have a consistent line-up/rotation after training camp & preseason

I guess this was just way too much to ask for. MY BAD HOW COULD I BE SUCH AN IDIOT??

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Dec 27, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

On a personal note

Mr. Andy Sims I really thought my brother and I were the only Kings/Bengals/Reds fans in the world. I was born and raised in Sacramento by a father from Cincinnati. How did you you suffer this same misfortune Lol? Just curious because outside of my family never met another NoCal/Cincinnati Sports Fan

by Ponaldson on Dec 26, 2010 8:21 PM PST reply actions  

Sims is from Ohio.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 26, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Pookey's right, I was born and raised in Dayton.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Dec 26, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Now if you wanna talk about dysfunctional..

…can we discuss how retarded it is for someone to change their name to the Spanish version of their jersey number? Or, we could stick to why the Bengals are just so goddamn awful.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 26, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

A 2-game in streak over the hated Browns and knocking the Chargers out of the playoff hunt?

Given how the Bengals defense has been so beset with injuries? I’ll take it.

Still would’ve liked to have mangled Pittsburgh just once this season, though.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Dec 26, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 26, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the Chargers knocked themselves

but all is fair -

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice

Hopefully they cut the dueling reality shows

by Ponaldson on Dec 26, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotcha

Yeah just had to know. Because outside of my brother and father I’ve never met another Bengals/Reds/Kings Fan. On a side note I think my father is now actually depressed from the combined suckitude of the Kings/Reds/Bengals and 49ers

by Ponaldson on Dec 26, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

God I hate the Steelers

Yeah I really hope the Bengals release “The Och” I cannot stand him. I think these 2 wins are a smoke and mirrors we have to go balls out or a lot of us are gonna get cut sort of wins.

by Ponaldson on Dec 26, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You'd think that being a fan of so many teams would guarantee that at least one had a good run, right?

That sucks.

In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg

by PurpleLoco on Dec 26, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Reds won the Central with a small payroll. Votto's the MVP.

Spring can’t come soon enough.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Dec 26, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

That means nothing to me because I've never watched a game of football in my life.

But that sounds good, I think.

In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg

by PurpleLoco on Dec 26, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That's adorable.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 26, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the greatest comment.

"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP

by tomroadrunner on Dec 27, 2010 1:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Aw, man.

You guys could have told me they were a baseball team! I just looked it up!

Expand my comment to include baseball, if that wasn’t obvious.

In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg

by PurpleLoco on Dec 27, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought you were being a brilliantly and ironically hard-core NBA fan.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Dec 27, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought you were making fun of football Loco.

At first I thought you didn’t know the Reds were a baseball team, but I was like nah, she isn’t that clueless.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes. Yes, I am.

In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg

by PurpleLoco on Dec 28, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Me neither

football is just boring to me unless its the 49ers and they have been disappointing so I haven’t watched any of it. I am a die hard baseball fan though. I have MLB trade rumors bookmarked

"You need to get real!"

by MJ5 on Dec 27, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

True...

Good point I’m trying to be optimistic that the Reds can keep building and pull a 08 Rays or 10 Giants as a small market that can win and not just 1st round fodder. Trying not to get my hopes up too much though because years of being a Bengals fan has conditioned me to expect the worst, so if the Reds do well then it’ll be a lot nicer ha ha

by Ponaldson on Dec 26, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Love the Reds.

My dad grew up in Indiana, so he and all my brothers are huge fans. I married an A’s fan, so that’s my main team now, but I will always love the Reds. I grew up watching Johnny Bench, Dave Concepcion, Joe Morgan, Pete Rose during their world series runs.

StR Token Female

by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 27, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

You're never going to see a better team than that, just no way.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Dec 27, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody else is going to either.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I like the Reds too

I always support the underdogs and plus they have Dusty Baker

"You need to get real!"

by MJ5 on Dec 27, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

fluke

The only red atop the division next year will be in the form of a Bird-on-Bat.

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Dec 29, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Seriously hoping that isn't in the Cards.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Dec 29, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

He's a Cards fan.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotcha...

Being from Ohio or related to Ohioans is the only way you can be infected with The Cincinnati Bengals virus. So that makes sense.

Oh and I actually expected Dalembert to be a Hatian Dikembe Mutumbo for us puling down 14 boards and swatting 5 shots a night. All the while singlehandedly rebuilding Earthquake ravaged Haiti on his days off

by Ponaldson on Dec 26, 2010 8:27 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Not to be rude but the reply button helps people follow the conversation.

I’ll let Sims fill in the rest. It’s his story; not mine. (Although I’ve heard him tell it.) At any rate, nicely done on Halembert. Sarcazm galore in this here thread!

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 26, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

A big, hearty R-E-C from me.

I’ve shared scraps of similar thoughts in various threads, but I’m really glad that you laid things out thoroughly and eloquently for those of us who reel from the sting of each loss, but maintain the patience to see our current suffering as an investment.

As to why we are sucking worse than probably any of us honestly expected, you really don’t have to go beyond the ‘Reke discussion, do you? Last year’s “20-5-5” became this year’s “16-5-5 with 38% shooting”. I think even the most conservative among us must have predicted ‘Reke to at least maintain last years numbers, and many expected modest gains in scoring and assists. I don’t think those expectations were at all unreasonable. But here we are with our best player taking a lot of shots and missing most of them, and our team losing many close games. How much of that has to do with the foot, and how much with Paul Westphal being the dumbest person in the history of dumb, we can’t say for sure. But if ‘Reke can even just get back to last year’s form, the rest of our games will be quite a bit different.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 26, 2010 8:28 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Rec'ing this solely for this line blockquoted
I’m really glad that you laid things out thoroughly and eloquently for those of us who reel from the sting of each loss, but maintain the patience to see our current suffering as an investment.

Although the rest of your comment is well said too.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 26, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd it for the same reason, Pook

And also for the Reke point. It’s not all on him (it’d be unfair to say so) but if he was playing as well as he did last year we would have at least a couple more Ws. Hope whatever is bothering him gets resolved soon whether it’s physical, mental, or skill-related.

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Dec 26, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

At least a couple more W's if not 5.

Just my opinion on that one.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 26, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

The problem is that we have not suffered enough.

Anything, anything would be better than this agony of mind, this creeping pain that gnaws and fumbles and caresses one and never hurts quite enough. – Jean-Paul Sartre

If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
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by Slam_Dunk on Dec 28, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It's not the itching, it's the swelling

-David Letterman.

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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously, I expected ~35 wins and fun basketball every night.

I wasn’t necessarily expecting solid basketball every night, but I expected it be be fun to watch.

Now, though, I’ve tempered my expectations and just have hope left. I hope we get at least ten more wins before the end of the season, and I hope the team can get it together and bring back the fun games. Ideally, I hope we can match last season’s record, or possibly surpass it, but realistically, I hope we learn how to play good basketball, and the winning can come next year.

I do expect a win tomorrow against the Clips, though. That one is a must-win if there ever was one.

In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg

by PurpleLoco on Dec 26, 2010 8:42 PM PST reply actions  

I'll be there with my family and a college friend and his fiance

so I am expecting a win. Would be a nice lat Christmas present from the team.

Since Evans has had 3 days off, I’m also expecting an awesome 1st half before his plantar faciatis tightens up at halftime.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 26, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too.

Section 104, Row F.
I think the Kings have only won one I’ve been to this season, so it would be nice to get another W.

In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg

by PurpleLoco on Dec 26, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Really want to here it?

I expected to see improvement and NOT regression. More wins and not fewer. I expected to see a team start to gel and it not take until December to see some kind of chemistry, there are glimpses. I expected to see more than just a few players developing. I expected to see the team coming together as a team and be fun to watch. I expected the Kings to be entertaining.

I expected more and it wasn’t unrealistic expectations. I didn’t buy into the hype or talk from Tyreke and Cousins about the playoffs, but I guess I had hoped that we could get close at least. I definitely didn’t expect what is happening now. There are definitely expectations that are not being met.

What I didn’t expect:
Changes in the rotation with huge experiments in the starting line up.
To be less than 25% ever
Losses that demonstrate a growing lack of heart.
More DUIs and especially not from a coach, ever, again.
To see another player get jerked around like Spencer did.
To ever hear fired and Petrie in the same sentence.

I guess I didn’t expect to have to lower my expectations so far that I would be happy to find crumbs along the way. But I am finding myself happy to find see the development of Cousins, JT actually able to finish at the rim, and all those little things. Because that is how this team is going to get better. Those little things are what needs to be done. Each and every player has to improve. That is how we will win games and be better.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Dec 26, 2010 9:23 PM PST reply actions  

Agree

Did anyone expect for the team to be worse? Honestly.

And who in their right mind thinks this team is better?

It is almost January and Westphal still changes the starting line up on a whim. Not only that Napier and others defend a guy who has the lowest win percentage in Kings history. Who has seen all his young assets get worse (as I do not agree with Thompson being better. Heck the coach gave him DNP-CD’s earlier in the season!). Now I will conceed that Tyreke’s regression may be due to injury. But even over the course of last season he was more or less flatlined as Curry is the one who improved throughout the season.

This team at it’s current rate now will be lucky to win 15 games. Take away that 3-1 start and they might be lucky to get to 10. Also please factor in that they played the “soft” part of their schedule and the second half might get really ugly.

There’s plenty of blame to go around but the easiest and most practical thing to do is fire the coach. He may still have the team, he looks to be a heck of a nice guy, but the simple fact is he is not getting the job done in my opinion. (And in job I don’t really mean wins, I mean providing a stable environment that includes a system of basketball that fosters player improvement and development). History is not kind to Westphal either, this was played out before in Seattle. Ask any Sonic fan about that.

I have already listed who I would look at. But consider this just for fun. Break the bank and get Calipari in here. After all Tyreke and Cousins were his guys.

by nerdninja on Dec 26, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

To be less than 25% ever

You mean winning percentage?

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 27, 2010 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Probably.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

The schedule is doing a mindfuck for everyone involved.

I think the team is pressing a bit too much as a result. I wish they had more games in more days than they have.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

isn't it 5 out of 27?

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 27, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

And 5 wins out of 27 games.

We all know what you meant MBS.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

man I am a space cadet today

didn’t mean for so many questions in a row there.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 27, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Space cadetry is better today than tomorrow.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Dec 27, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Isn't Calipari that guy

that had all the talent on his team but couldn’t bring home the bacon?

by carlsbadace on Dec 26, 2010 10:24 PM PST reply actions  

Expectations

I think like a lot of other folks, I expected a slight improvement on last season into the neighborhood of 30-35 wins.

I noted in a fanpost that teams who had experienced a similar record as our team last season had improved an average of 11 1/2 games. I took a look at what the best of those teams had done, and apparently we didn’t do as much in the offseason to merit our expectations.

In any case, our players have generally played worse and this is a sobering period.

"Remember now, patience and stop the whining. This is something we have to endure to get better. We have no choice. Stick with Petrie, stick with Westphal, stick with Tyreke, stick it to the fans."

by NewEraKings on Dec 26, 2010 10:43 PM PST reply actions  

Consider this a better-written post-script. Nicely said, MadProphet.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Dec 26, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually said, "BOOM" at the end of your post.

Rec’d.

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by tomroadrunner on Dec 27, 2010 1:07 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well said, both of you, Rec'd

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Dec 27, 2010 6:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Well said.

Totally on the same boat with you guys.

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by M. Thai on Dec 27, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Very well-written, HT.

I share your disappointment with the team.

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by Slam_Dunk on Dec 28, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Excellent job, Sims. Couldn't agree more.

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by Holmdel on Dec 27, 2010 6:41 AM PST reply actions  

I had unreal expectations

I thought this team could sneak into the playoffs. Yeah I know it’s stupid that I thought this way at the beginning of the season, but I really thought they could possibly make it as an 8th seed.

I thought Reke, Omri, and Donte would continue to improve, DMC would come in and help right away, and Sammy would control the post and the Kings would win around 45 games. Boy do I feel stupid now.

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by 49er16 on Dec 27, 2010 7:08 AM PST reply actions  

I expected a .500 record.

I expected 30 wins last season and the team collapsed from the strain and from the push for 20-5-5. I expected that changing a worthless Spencer Hawes out for a center who could defend, rebound, and block shots would make a difference. I expected drafting a rookie with high productivity would improve our league worst frontcourt play from last year. I expected our sophomore players would improve and the team would jell from being to gather for another season. I expected all of that would lead to 41 wins. I now expect only to be disappointed.

by mayfieldcol on Dec 27, 2010 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

I was expecting small improvement

Perhaps 30 wins. I was foolish for thinking this, but I bought into the HERE WE RISE hype. Oh well. I certainly didn’t expect nearly every player on the team to hit rock bottom at the same time. At this point I guess I’m looking forward to a top 4 pick in a draft with no clearcut #1 and cap money that may or may not be spent on a season that may or may not happen next year.

by Mike Garza on Dec 27, 2010 10:08 AM PST reply actions  

Please reconcile these two statements for me
The team lacks talent in that it doesn’t have what anyone actually thinks is NBA-starting caliber players, and the couple we do have are either very young, injured, or both. It lacks a leader, and/or a veteran presence, neither of which were signed by Petrie in the last off-season, or a previous one.
Petrie’s not blameless. He can’t be; this is his team. My point now, as ever, is that the things that are most responsible for the pathetic state of the team at this moment, just aren’t his fault.

We don’t have NBA-caliber starting players (I don’t necessarily agree with this premise, completely, at least), a leader, or a veteran presence. This is Petrie’s team, but these things aren’t his fault? Whose fault are they?

I expected improvement. I guess I’m a sucker.

by lchristmas on Dec 27, 2010 11:03 AM PST reply actions  

I won't lie, I think the two snippets stand on their own and explain one another.

Summing up:

This is not a good team, it lacks talent, a function of low payroll, and youth. As the youth gain experience, there will be improvement. Theoretically, as the payroll goes up, the talent level should rise, if the money is spent wisely.

This is not a good team. It is a better team than its record, but it has been beset by injuries to some key players. If everyone was healthy, this would still not be a good team, but it would be playing better, and likely have more wins.

Thank you for your questions, I am available should any more confusion arise.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Dec 27, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Alright

So this:

My point now, as ever, is that the things that are most responsible for the pathetic state of the team at this moment, just aren’t his fault.

Refers solely to injuries? I don’t think I agree with that at all. In terms of games actually missed, the team has been relatively healthy, it looks like to me. (I tried briefly on a few sites to find a ranking of player-games lost to injury, but could not. I would be interested to see where we stack up and I’d be shocked if we are anywhere near the top. If anyone could post one that would be great.) If you are talking about players “slowed” by injuries who are playing anyway, re plantar facsiiitis perhaps, that’s another thing. I don’t think that plantar facsiitis causes an inability to make layups, or a penchant for driving into the lane and aimlessly throwing the ball near the 3 point line to a defender. Those things as a contribution to the pathetic state of this team should be blamed on the player and the coach who keeps putting him in the position to do them.

I can’t tell whether you think that this:

It lacks a leader, and/or a veteran presence, neither of which were signed by Petrie in the last off-season, or a previous one

.

is a black mark on Petrie or whether you are Ok with it as part of the “rebuilding process.” I don’t have a big problem with the failure to sign a “veteran presence” – I would have liked to see someone signed who can make a jump shot. But if you value leadership and veteran presence, you have to blame Petrie for ignoring it. And without the leadership and veteran presence, what is going to show these kids how its done? Westphal alone? If just the passage of time is going to improve these kids, why are they playing worse this year?

In evaluating the whole situation and in reading your article, I can’t get past disagreeing with this premise:

the things that are most responsible for the pathetic state of the team at this moment, just aren’t his fault.

Sorry to repeat the quote again, but I have read a lot of theories on why this team completely sucks and I don’t think I’ve seen injuries cited as the primary factor in very many of them. I think this team sucks because of bad coaching and execution, lack of development by the younger players from last year to this, and a lack of good shooters (not particularly in that order).

I also think it is a bit misleading to suggest that Petrie’s choices last offseason were between signing nobody and backing up the Brinks truck for Joe Johnson. There is a middle ground there. There were reasonable alternatives out there and he opted to stand pat.

by lchristmas on Dec 27, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Hoopsworld has an article on injuries, back on December 15th

At that time, they only show 8 games lost to injury for the Kings (3rd lowest in the league). Not sure how accurate or reputable that writer is though:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18214

by otis29 on Dec 27, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I have somewhere to be on New Year's Eve, so I'll keep it short

The injured players I refer to mainly have to do with Evans and Dalembert.

Evans: Hasn’t missed that many games. Should probably have missed several more games. Didn’t do the team any favors playing injured. Could be a coaching decision there, but one figures that if your best player is cleared medically, and wants to play, you’d have a tough time justifying his benching. Especially to goons like me on the internet.

Dalembert: While an adductor injury is not serious, like most abdominal muscle issues, they are slow to heal. Dalembert has been durable in his career, and it’s his nature to play through minor injuries. He might have been better served to have missed a week or two at the start of the season in order to get healthier.

These are strictly my opinions, my medical degree is in phrenology.

No veteran leader. Well, the ones we had (Bibby, Miller) had become, if not exactly team cancers in their lackadaisical attitudes, had become, at the bare minimum, bulging fatty cysts that made men cringe, and women swoon. What’s more, they weren’t leaders. Bibby wasn’t afraid of the clutch shot, but was not a team leader. There’s not really been one since Webber & Divac, and given that Petrie offers the contracts, he is complicit in this problem.

Again, given the economic constraints he’s under, who did we pass up, or fail to adequately pursue who would function as a veteran team leader, and more importantly, could be signed for MLE or less?

I think this team sucks because of bad coaching and execution, lack of development by the younger players from last year to this, and a lack of good shooters (not particularly in that order).

I think the team sucks because it’s in a rebuild, very young, and lacks veteran talent. I think it really sucks at the moment because of some unfortunate injuries. I’d say we should agree to disagree, but I won’t agree to that.

I also think it is a bit misleading to suggest that Petrie’s choices last offseason were between signing nobody and backing up the Brinks truck for Joe Johnson. There is a middle ground there. There were reasonable alternatives out there and he opted to stand pat.

I think being conservative last summer with the CBA looming was prudent, but one can assume that management would have pursued anyone who might have made sense. You say there were reasonable alternatives, but you’ve not bothered to enlighten us as to who could’ve been the person to transform a lottery team into, what? A later-picking lottery team?

This is me being brief. What a shame.

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Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Dec 27, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

If this is the attitude
You say there were reasonable alternatives, but you’ve not bothered to enlighten us as to who could’ve been the person to transform a lottery team into, what? A later-picking lottery team?

Why try to improve at all unless you’re assured a playoff spot? I think it would help Tyreke’s development as a point guard if he actually had some 3-point threats on the wings to kick out to, no? Perhaps free agents of the future might find a 36-win team more attractive than a 16-win team?

No, I did not attempt an enlightenment (and again, the lack of a veteran leader thing was your point – not mine) regarding shooters/guards that could have been had, and would have helped win a few more games (which I thought was the idea) without bankrupting the $5000 Value Meal Fund, off the top of my head I always wanted Anthony Morrow, I also heard JJ Redick and possibly Kapono thrown around, Luke Ridnour would have been quite useful, I’m sure there were others – but its not my job to know who, it Geoff Petrie’s job – maybe there were others that could have been had via trade…

Petrie knew we had a weakness in outside shooting and didn’t address it whatsoever. That point isn’t invalidated by my lack of a list.

by lchristmas on Dec 27, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

and yes, I would prefer a later picking lottery team

to the one we have now, which is threatening to achieve one-of-the-worst-ten-teams EVER pace

by lchristmas on Dec 27, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Morrow or Redick would have been nice additions, certainly.

Kapono, maybe, hard to say.

I’m far too lazy to play gotcha, and go back and check any thughts you might have had during the offseason as to the state of the Kings 3-point shooting. As nothing more than an interested bystander, it seemed like we had reliable shooters in Udrih, Casspi, Greene and Garcia. We added Luther Head and Pooh Jeter, and as everyone knows, Tyreke spent the offseason improving his range, which is probably the cause of his foot woes, for all I know. The weakness wasn’t addressed in the sense that no medium-to-large name free agent was signed, but it was addressed. I think had anyone foreseen the small forwards and shooting guards devolving into 33rd degree masons, a guy like Marcus Landry might have been kept around. Good as he was in camp, I doubt anyone would have said aloud that he should have been kept around to take minutes from Greene/Casspi/Garcia.

None of them are Ray Allen, admittedly, and not even Kevin Martin. I would have loved to have shooters like Morrow or Redick, and would also have seen the sensibility of Gordon or Hinrich, although certainly at a higher price. Was Mike Miller another guy who could have been got? I don’t assume that Petrie is either lazy or stupid, and that he must’ve done due diligence on these players and others, and either found that the price would be too much of a hit against the cap as we careen toward a new CBA, chemistry concerns, or other issues that I’m not privy to. If he made no effort whatsoever in looking into the players we’ve mentioned, then yeah, he’s negligent, and should be fired. Is that what you believe is going on?

I still like the trade for Dalembert and the flexibility it provides in the short term, and I also like having him on the roster in the present term. He’s been dinged, but he’s still more of an asset than Hawes or Nocioni, and again, will either be traded or gone by season’s end. Possibly re-signed at a much lower rate, but that seems doubtful.

It’s not as bad as you make it out to be, and I’d be the last one to try and sell you on this team being better than it is. I’m not so bright that I’m the only one who sees what management is attempting to do, I’m merely patient enough to deal with some rough sledding while we get from A to B.

Patience has its limits. I’ve said for years I expect the Kings to contend for the playoffs in ‘11-’12. I still do. Next year’s record will have very little do with this year’s, just as this year’s clearly has very little to do with last year’s record.

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by andy sims on Dec 27, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

I think the problem is complacency

Kings fans have been waiting for something to cheer about and then Tyreke goes and gets 20, 5, and 5. Tyreke seems to be finally the player that can turn the team around. The Kings had their moments last year and everyone was excited and had great hopes. After getting Tyreke and Omri, fans thought that Petrie could do them no wrong in the draft. They draft Cousins and everyone is very satisfied. They really want to believe he isn’t what everyone says. They want him to be a low post threat, the next Shaq. The Kings have 2 major holes filled. As the season progresses, the Kings struggle and the Reke and DMC have their problems too. Cousins is extremely disappointing and appears to be as volatile as described. It sucks even more because all the potential has turned to disappointment. The Kings seem to accept failure and are waiting for a new savior. They don’t come in and think they can win, they just don’t want to get blown out. Thats not how you become a successful team. They can’t become used to failure, they have to give it their all and come in thinking they can win. As long as they do that, they will be respected at least and have the right mindset

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by MJ5 on Dec 27, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm reading "They suck because they don't WANT it bad enough."

I still don’t see Cousins as even slightly disappointing, but then, I didn’t think he was the next Shaq.

It’s not the potential that has turned to disappointment. It’s the irrationally high expectations by large swaths of the fanbase that have soured. All the potential is still there, and in Cousins particularly, we’re seeing more than just glimpses.

If a couple of giant banners with pictures on them is all it takes to get people to see green as red, then I’m going to put a billboard on 50 with Webber’s picture, and a PO Box where you can send me cash, checks and gift cards.

It’s hype. Not quite the same as bullshit, but you can’t brew up hype without at least a pinch of it.

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Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Dec 27, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be disappointed if the Kings didn't brew that hype.

You do what you gotta do.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

For those of you in the know regarding the inner workings of the organization

Where does Kings management sit currently regarding advanced statistical analysis? I got the impression some time back that we were behind the curve in that regard.

TZ? jjham? cowboyron? Anybody know?

by otis29 on Dec 27, 2010 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

They don't use the same levels of advanced metrics in the same ways that other teams, who do use these metrics, use.

Morey and the Rockets are a famous example. The Celtics have their own crew doing stuff. (In fact, Morey was hired away from the C’s to work for the Rox as an Assistant GM with the idea to replace Carroll Dawson—which he did in 2007—when Dawson retired.) At any rate, I do think there is plenty of reason to say that the Kings could use advanced stats. The issue is that Geoff Petrie doesn’t want to, or doesn’t want to spend money that way.

Either way, it’s a matter of opinion at this point.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Yo i think

We really just need time, Maybe ship out Top Hat to help bring in a solid SG…..But other than that, Our team just needs to grow up

by shadowchicken on Dec 27, 2010 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

I'll tell you what I didn't expect...

three losses to the Clippers. At least the most recent one was entertaining.

by rpmonkey on Dec 28, 2010 11:11 AM PST reply actions  

I didn't expect

That we’d be the hands down worst team in the league… but alas we now are.

by athletics68 on Dec 29, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

We need to play in Cleveland again.

That first game against them was great.

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by PurpleLoco on Dec 29, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I expected

My Nba2k11 team, except for the year 2014. (I won the championship that year and was epic in all ways, sweeping the Heat in the finals.)

Is that really too much to expect? Come on Petrie, where is the trade for Josh Smith? Where is Kyrie Irving? Where are those other rookies I drafted who I had no idea who they were??

Down with Petrie, hire cowboyron

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by lodisacfan on Dec 28, 2010 3:26 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

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