The Hyperbole Problem
Last week, Ziller linked to a piece over at TrueHoop which dubs the Kings as the "Kings of Hyperbole". The issue of hyperbole has been brought up in many threads over the last month or so, so this is hardly a new issue. But the issue of hyperbole and how it relates to the Kings is very interesting.
Why do fans get upset? Naturally, we get upset when the team plays poorly. We get upset at losses. We expect the Kings to play better than they have been. But why do we expect that? It all comes back to how the team manages the expectations of the fans, and how the fans manage their own expectations.
Based on this, it seems easy to blame the franchise for building too much excitement before the season. Unfortunately, it isn't that simple.
The Kings marketing department faced a difficult task last offseason. How do you sell tickets, particularly season tickets, coming off a 25-win season? After all, that's their job. Outside of anything else, the marketing department is supposed to sell tickets and get fans excited. I would say they were incredibly successful. The Here We Rise campaign was catchy. The team flaunted two young talents in Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins. When we really look at, did the marketing department do the team a disservice by building the expectations too much? I honestly don't believe they did.
Again, that's what the marketing department is supposed to do. And, if we're honest about it, they highlighted the two most interesting Kings. Even though both DeMarcus and Tyreke have gotten off to slower starts than we would want to see, they are still the two most interesting Kings. If you were to build a new marketing campaign for the Kings, starting today, you'd still highlight Cousins and Evans.
Look at any team in the league, and you'll find a similar build-up this past preseason. Where the problem lies, I my opinion, is with the ownership and the front office.
The ownership and the front office have an inherent responsibility to help build the image of the franchise, so they must support the notion of a competitive team. And in actuality, I'm sure even Petrie and the Maloofs honestly expected more from this squad.
Before the season, while trying to sell tickets, it is understandable that the organization would hype the possible success of this team. However, in the midst of a season like this, clarity is needed. It is difficult for the organization to provide absolute clarity, and I understand this. You can't reveal too much of the game plan, particularly when it comes to trade plans and potential free agent targets. Those aspects must be kept close to the vest. It is also difficult to share a possibly gloomy outlook when the team is trying to secure financing for a new arena.
Where I take issue is the insistence to keep all details close to the vest. The fans who frequent StR are the type of fans who can be patient if we understand the long-term plan. We know there is a plan, as the Maloofs told the Bee last week:
Kings ownership said that despite the woeful play and losing streaks, they're sticking with their plan.
But what is this mystical plan? The organization remains cryptic. The Bee story describes the plan as:
developing the young players on the current roster and using the salary cap space the team will have in the offseason to bolster the talent and speed up the rebuilding process.
And that sounds great, but it is still nothing more than a vague outline.
The team has been clear that they will not take on large salary obligations before the new CBA is realized. That much we know. But does the organization have a plan for how long before this team should be in playoff contention? That's where the hyperbole hurts. If the organization has a plan to be in contention 3 or 4 years from now, that should be mentioned somewhere along the way.
I have no problem with the team touting DeMarcus and Tyreke. I have no problem with losses right now as a part of future success. I simply have a problem with the complete lack of a clear plan.
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I'm wondering if the Kings are now in the Gregg Lukenbill zone with the Maloof's.
They just can’t keep up anymore.
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well, I have been in a "wait and see" mode.
But that loss versus the Warriors seemed like a Step back. We cannot do any worse than that game, everything from here on out, should be a sign of improvement…. Right?
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by HeuristicLineup on Dec 27, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I like the write up,
but honestly, if the “plan” is reaching the playoffs in three to four years, it is not surprising that management and ownership would keep that under wraps.
It is difficult to create excitement, sell tickets and keep your players interested if you come right out and say you have no realistic expectations of being competitive for 3-4 seasons.
Sure, nobody looks at the Kings and thinks Championship right now, but nobody wants to hear that there’s no hope of reaching the playoffs for 3 or 4 years, either.
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plus the fact
it’s kind of hard to say who we are going to try and sign in free agency when it’s not free agency yet.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 27, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
There is also the fact that it's tampering to say it publicly who you will sign.
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I agree
It is very difficult to sell that. But consider if they sold the idea of watching these players grow and develop. Sell the idea of the experience, and devote more of the marketing towards improving the in-arena experience.
If you market the team as a potential playoff contender, and they fall desperately short, you lose credibility. You’ve played that angle, and you can’t market the same angle next season when it might be more realistic.
Want to sell tickets based on a rebuilding process? How about a deal where future season tickets will be discounted for those who buy season tickets this year and next? There’s lot of ways to market it. The problem isn’t the marketing, it’s the message from the front office.
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Interesting point regarding the credibility of future marketing
But I have to agree with all your points and suggestions…especially that proposition of future ticket discounts upon current purchase.
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The marketing team need to go back to school
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interesting
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 27, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
You hope he'd promise = deliver
Who’s to say that’s not what the team is going to do?
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 27, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Eenie Meenie
Is it Petrie or Westfall?
7 straight playoff appearance and now 4 straight lottery appearance. Pietrie, you have 3 years to get this team to the playoffs. And if you don’t, you are out.
An improved season. But anyone can take a 17 win team to 25. Paul, you have this year to reach 25 wins. And if you don’t, Larry Brown is available.
It’s so frustrating!
It was 8 straight playoff appearances there killer.
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When are you going to stop putting the blame on the coach and realize the problem goes beyond that? The team has been bad since 2006 and its almost 2011. The Kings have had 4 lottery picks not including Greene and Casspi, 4 coaching changes, numerous blockbuster deals (most notable ones: acquiring Landry and Dalembert)
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those blockbuster trades were to dump salary and acquire non lottery draft picks
and those two lottery picks were at the 10 and 12 spot although yes they were in fact lottery picks which I suppose means something.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 27, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
The team made the playoffs in 2006,
so they were not bad then. The team won 38 games in 2007-08, which I would term as medicocre as opposed to bad – if this team won 38 games this year, would anyone around here term that as “bad?”
This team has been “bad” for less than 3 years. It seems like longer than that, but it is not.
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The 2006 playoffs
are known as the 2006 playoffs.
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by section214 on Dec 27, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you sure they don't mean the 6002 playoffs?
You know your dementia is settling in right?
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So hair splitting we can do
Kingme18- The team has been bad since 2006
2006 season was bad, finished in the cellar in the Pacific at 33-49
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Timeline
Timeline:
2006 – Kings make the playoffs, losing to the Spurs in 6 games.
2006-07 – Kings go 33-49 under Musselman, Musselman fired.
2007-08 – Kings go 38-44 under Theus, renewed enthusiasm. However, Bibby also traded for scrap, signalling end of ownership’s willingness to pay beyond the cap.
2008-09 – Theus loses team, is replaced by Natt.
2009-present – Westphal hired.
If the Bibby deal signals the first shot fired in the deconstruction/reconstruction efforts, then it has been less than 3 years. If you factor in that the team was competitive and energized for most of the 07-08 season, it has been a little more than 2 years since the team has been "bad."
It’s not a function of hair splitting – it’s a matter of looking at a calendar and then counting forward. And in spite of how it feels to us, the Kings have not been a truly bad team for nearly as long as some of us might want to think.
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All depends on how you want to define bad. You say they weren’t truly a bad team for nearly as long… I say they were in my eyes. 2006 to present day the team fell short of the playoffs by a significant margin, to me that is bad.
2005 finished 8th in the west, made playoffs
2006 – 11th
2007 – 11th
2008 – 15th
2009 – 14th
2010 – 15th (just a hunch)
Your glass is half full and I drank all mine already :)
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Agreed
How does one define bad? Is 38 wins bad? Would 38 wins be considered bad this year? Is good and bad a direct result of whether or not you make the playoffs, or is it in relation to whether or not you meet expectations?
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2006… when the Maloof’s dumped Adelman, when the major slide started. Coaches do make a difference.
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
yeah
but talent might be just as important. Go ahead and compare the 2006 roster and todays roster, thanks
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Wow. Letting go Adelman was a mistake.
But, unfortunately it was not all on the Maloof’s (Petrie had a say, and apparently didn’t think Adelman coming back was going to happen and stayed out of it, or he thought it was time for the Kings & Rick to part ways….) and Petrie. It’s quite possible Adelman may have not wanted to come back unless certain terms were offered. (interpret this however you want.)
Fact is Adelman is no longer here, that coach is necessary for competition, and unless something drastically happens with Paul Westphal in the next game or two that changes the directions of this team this season, I doubt Westphal is that guy either.
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I like Adelman.
But he hasn’t coached a veteran Houston team to a winning record in the last two seasons, and he wouldn’t do it for this young Sac team, either. Thems the shakes with youth, injuries, and subpar talent.
by unfair weather on Dec 27, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Not saying Adelman is brilliance completely....
..but the Rockets were 40-42 without Yao. That’s pretty damn good any way you slice it.
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Sure.
And Reggie Theus got 38 wins right here. But none of those guys is the answer to what ails us.
by unfair weather on Dec 27, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
And the Moon is white on the nights you can see it.
You said Adelman couldn’t bring a winning record for the Rockets in the last 2 seasons except, that’s not true. In 08-09, the Rockets DID have a winning record with Yao, Artest and all demz. 53 games won as a matter of fact. In 09-10, they went 40-42 without Yao.
Adelman has been in Houston for what will be parts of all or some of 4 seasons. His record since arriving in Houston:
55-27 in 07 08 53-29 in 08 09 40-42 in 09-10 and 14-15 this season.
Now if you’re talking about the last couple of seasons including this year, well, okay. I still think the Rockets have been a 500 team with Adelman which is saying something given the lack of minutes the Rockets have had Yao available. I’m not sure Jeff Van Gundy could have done it for instance.
I’ll take that any day of the week and then some.
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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. I was specifically referring to this and last season.
I know they were solid the two before.
by unfair weather on Dec 27, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
50+ games won is better than solid IMO.
Especially when Yao and McGrady missed both chunks of those seasons too. Adelman is the best coach not referred to as a genius in the NBA. And, IMO, significantly better than a twat like Larry Brown.
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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Can I rec you?
And not get ya pissed off or hurt your rep???
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Do what you gotta do bruh.
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Ok, for a more comparable look at things
How did Adelman do when given the same sort of young, unbalanced roster, similar to ours at Golden State? They were a little more in line with what we’ve got going than playoff hardened and veteran Houston, right?
You’re missing the point. I liked that guy as a coach, still do. I really think he’s the real deal. But he wouldn’t make us any more than what we’ve been.
by unfair weather on Dec 27, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Oh I agree with you uw.
Adelman’s records in GS were far from sterling. However, Carliesmo and Musselman did worse with similar rosters. In Carleismo’s case, a lot worse.
Either way, I think this horse has been beaten to death around 2008. We’re just shooting a few Lady Smith rounds into it at this point.
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This is the NBA. There is no such thing as a "clear plan"
You have to remain flexible, because there are so many unknown factors. You don’t know who you will draft next, so you don’t know which position you should trade for. You don’t know when a team will offer you a Chris Webber for your Mitch Richmond. You never know when you’ll get the 2nd pick in the draft and win a Kevin Durant.
Look at the blazers 2 years ago. Everyone thought they would be the next greatest team, but look at them now. The key to Petrie’s plan has always been described as staying flexible, because you just never know what might happen tomorrow. When your plan is based on flexibility and developing young players, its going to be painful because of all the losses due to young players and what would look like ineptness from management. But in reality, young players are growing (hopefully) and management is waiting for the right deal, hence remaining “flexible”. Its frustrating, but when your team sucks it’s the best way to go about things.
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by Ellimist on Dec 27, 2010 12:52 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
This is the NBA. There is no such thing as a “clear plan”. You have to remain flexible, because there are so many unknown factors.
I remember when the Celtics had a clear plan with Rick Pitino. They were so going to get Tim Duncan because they had a shitty team and it was God’s will. Whoops!
Well said Ellimist.
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Rec'd Ell
What constitutes a plan? We are going to improve? We are going to win x number of games? We are going to get good players? We have two of the best three players from the last two drafts. We have tones of cap space. We have lots of young trade-able pieces. Right now we have the pieces in place to execute a plan. We didn’t have that before. It takes two things to upgrade your team what you have and what you need. We finally have the pieces to get some of what we need. We have had plenty of needs in the past, but not so many ways to get them. Now we have those. If we arrive at the beginning of next year without some significant upgrades, then I will start griping about the lack of a plan.
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by SavageBeast on Dec 27, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree and Disagree
I completely agree that you need to remain flexible. Teams never know what injuries might occur. You never know who you might get in the draft or how they might turn out. You can target free agents, but you never know for sure who will join the team.
However, none of that means that the organization lacks a plan. As I said, I don’t expect the front office to discuss free agent targets, or anything that specific. But the organization should have goals such as “be a playoff team in 3-4 years”. Those are the goals that should be shared. They aren’t pretty, but fans can cope with a season such as this one if we know it is part of the plan.
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Haven't they said this is more or less the plan without the extremes that this season has brought?
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Not that I could find
I tried to find anything with either Petrie or the Maloofs discussing the long-term plan. I might have simply missed it. But I do not believe they’ve ever clearly stated “we expect to struggle through a youth movement, but we’ll hopefully be back in the playoffs around 2012 or 2013.”
What can be found are quote like the one from the TrueHoop article:
“I sincerely believe there’s going to be multiple championships for this team. I don’t know if it’s going to be next year, the year after.”
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Abbott quoted that from the Kingsflix video.
Let me ask you this in relation to that quote: Do you want owners who think they’re never going to win a ring?
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Also, as for your summary:
I have no problem with the team touting DeMarcus and Tyreke. I have no problem with losses right now as a part of future success. I simply have a problem with the complete lack of a clear plan.
I don’t think it’s that they lack a clear plan. I think they just lack a clear plan that would sell tickets right now if it was made public.
by Charlieb on Dec 27, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed Charlie. Rec'd.
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Which makes it genius in of itself.
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It's unrealistic to expect fans to want to support a team if they know the team isn't going to be competitive for at least 3 years
Far more casual fans will support a team that they expect to be good than a bad team that they don’t expect to be good for 3 or 4 years, no matter how exciting the young core may be. I don’t know how long management expects it to take to compete for a playoff spot, but in all likelihood, they knew it wouldn’t be this year, and they did what they had to do to sell tickets. Given the financial state of the franchise, I don’t have a problem with them getting by selling snake oil until they can put a quality product on the floor.
If Fans couldn't see that this was a possibility...
..the only people they were fooling were themselves.
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Is it Petrie or Westfall?
Someone asked that question in another post. That question amazes me. Petrie has built this sorry sack of a team. Westfall is an experienced, seasoned coach thrown into this stinking mess. Remember the last experienced coach we had? Adelman and look at the cast of characters hired after him. Larry Brown is available I hear said. How did Larry do when he went to the 2 teams after heading up Detroit? They kept right on losing. It ain’t the coach folks – at least not in this case.
Um
Someone asked that question in another post
Why not have that discussion in that other post?
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It’s relevant.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 27, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
How?
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Players and PW are most to blame.
The Kings have the talent they just aren’t being coached right in my opinon. Also, players aren’t really playing with their heads in the game. Here’s a perfect example of what I mean. When the Kings lost to the Warriors both players and coach blew it. Cisco clearily did not have his head in the game when the Kings were up by 5 and he shot the ball with 12 seconds left on the shot clock with 19 seconds left in the game. Had Cisco did that on a team coached by Sloan, Pop or Jackson they would have called a time out and gotten in Cisco’s face and given him an ear full. Also, those other coaches would have called a timeout and gotten their best defenders in the game and reminded everyone that the only shot that can hurt is a 3 point shot.
You can’t teach stupid. Luckily in the NBA you can trade it or fire it.
Players
Petrie tries to do his best with a low payroll, westphal changes the lineup every now and then because the kings keep losing and he tries to help the players to develop but what can he do when the kings’ best player is the least efficient player of the team and the 2nd most talented player acts like a 12 year old?




















