Yao Ming Trade Could Save Kings Cash
by Tom Ziller on Dec 28, 2010 9:49 AM PST
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PrintYao Ming is reportedly on the block, with the Houston Chronicle's Jonathan Feigen writing that the Kings have talked to the Rockets about the injured center. The words "DeMarcus Cousins" are mentioned in Feigen's report, which draws panic or laughter, depending on one's disposition. Feigen, of course, shoots down any consideration Cousins could be involved, which .. duh. The Kings are not trading DeMarcus Cousins.
But don't be surprised if, as the trade season plods along, the Kings remain squarely in the Yao conversation.
Sacramento is 5-23, going nowhere fast. Another top-five -- and probably top-four, depending on Tyreke Evans' availability -- pick is on the way, and the primary, secondary and third-iary goal of the season should be to develop the young players while creating a team identity that is not simply "sucking." Trading for an impact veteran at this point is worthless unless that veteran can be effective and affordable for another two or three years. As has been noted, the Kings have few bad contracts (if Francisco Garcia's $17.4 million over three seasons is your worst contract, your cap sheet's in damn good shape) and plenty of cap space on the way.
So why trade for Yao? Well, because by doing so, the Kings could save tons of loot this season.
Half of Yao's $17.7 million contract for this season is insured against injury. Suppose the Kings acquire Yao at exactly midseason (in terms of how NBA contracts are paid out -- it will actually work out to about the 50-game mark, but that's just quibbling). The Kings would be on the hook for the rest of Yao's 2010-11 salary, about $8.8 million. But half is covered by insurance -- the Kings would actually only pay Yao $4.4 million.
Let's assume the Kings were to send Samuel Dalembert to Houston in the deal. Dalembert makes $13.1 million this season; if the trade happened around midseason, Sam would be owed $6.5 million for the rest of the year. So even though Yao makes $4.6 million more than Dalembert this season, the Kings would come up $2 million in the green while thinning out the frontline a bit.
Don't discount the impact of $2 million on the Maloofs' bottom line. Remember the 2008-09 season, when the Kings took 2-3 deals to make a couple hundred thousand dollars each? When they left Kenny Thomas at home on road trips to asave couple thousand here or there, and worked out a buy-out with Will Freaking Solomon? That was all to save relatively small amounts of money. A simple trade like this -- one you'd think the Rockets would jump on, given that they are damn near desperate at center and are chasing a playoff series -- would save $2 million, just like that.
Now consider that the Kings could save even more by sending other players out (including either Jason Thompson or Carl Landry) or could leverage Dalembert and an interest in Yao's contract into a larger trade to bring in a young point guard (like Aaron Brooks or D.J. Augustin). This is where the Kings' in-season cap space becomes a huge asset. The possibilities are endless.
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Yao would be a money issue
He’d never play for the Kings. They’d never make a Yao jersey.
Luckily, I would order a custom Yao jersey to go along with my Sam Cassell Kings jersey.
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by Exhibit G on Dec 28, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I've already got my McGrady jersie hanging on the wall
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 28, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
No, but I'll bet I'm the only one
With a Larry Hughes Kingd jersey.
Also had a Gooden jersey, but sent it back when he actually, you know, played.
by Rickyflip on Dec 28, 2010 10:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't get this. He's always struck me as an uber-professional guy.
For injury reasons, he may never suit up, but I highly doubt he immediately demand a trade or something.
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 28, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
This is the last year of his contract
He’s a free agent after this season.
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I wouldn't underestimate the Maloofs at this point Ex G
I can see them making a million jerseys & having Jim Kozimor selling them in a special throwback house party live, in chinese.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Dec 28, 2010 11:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Meh
Yao is very professional. I think he’s play for the team he thinks he’s best with. He doesn’t really seem like the type to pick out, based on city size.
If Yao was healthy Yao would not be on the market.
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This is true
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by raiderking21 on Dec 28, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Let’s assume the Kings were to send Samuel Dalembert to Houston in the deal. Dalembert makes $13.1 million this season; if the trade happened around midseason, Sam would be owed $6.5 million for the rest of the year.
This could be an erroneous assumption too. it all depends on how the payments are structured in Daly’s contract. He could, for all we know, have gotten all of his 13 million this season already in one big lump sum.
Yao Ming can get the Rockets something when you factor in cap relief. I just don’t really see where why or how it could apply to the Kings unless Dalembert has a lot of money coming to him after the trade deadline. That is a fact which I doubt.
I just ain’t seeing why Yao has any real value to the Kings at this point.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
From what I've always heard
NBA players get paychecks every 2 weeks, with their salary spread evenly over a season. I’ve never heard of a different structure as you suggest.
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Yeah Mark Deeks told me that over the summer.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
There are allowances for negotiation
Teams and players can work out payment details — there’s a pretty wide berth in the CBA for that. But in-season payment structure has no bearing on the type of situation pookey describes. If Houston had Dalembert for 50% of the season as defined by the league, it pays 50% of his salary.
I'd be curious as to where you got this information from.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
On the NBPA site or whatever?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am pretty sure that if a player elects a large up front payment at the beginning of the year (pretty sure quite a few players do that actually) from Team A and then is traded to Team B, Team A gets reimbursed
by the numbers Ziller indicates
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Just wanna see where it's written down is all.
I don’t necessarily take anyone’s word on face value.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You're going to make me look up a bunch of PDF documents aren't you
bastard
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I'd do it myself if I could.
And will later. I actually wanna know this regardless of this Yao-Dalembert or whatever other combinations out there exist.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
just in case
was kidding about the bastard thing
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Not to worry. I wasn't worried even if you weren'nt kidding.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
He's not a sensitive bastard.
Not sensitive, I mean.
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by andy sims on Dec 28, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well under the uniform player contract it's every two weeks
it appears under article 2 that teams may loan money though (I am merely guessing that is what happens when teams pay the up front large numbers to some player who ask for it)
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
and $1,500 a week prior to their first payments under the contract on November 15th
max of 4 weeks of these payments for vets and 5 weeks for rookies
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
ug, the first payments of their contract is Nov 15 I mean the other stuff is prior
need coffee
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Hmmmm
Thanks.
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Kobe
Has it written in his contract he gets 70% of his salary on Sept 1:
“However, the NBA does allow contracts to contain a certain percentage of money to be paid up front. The Lakers apparently used this flexibility in structuring Bryant’s deal. According to the source, Bryant’s deal also requires him to get 70 percent of each subsequent year’s salary on Sept. 1 of each season. Only in this season, with his trial scheduled for late August, does he get the lump sum on Aug. 15.’
”http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/marty_burns/08/03/kobe.contract/index.html" target="_blank">http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/marty_burns/08/03/kobe.contract/index.html
Portlands FA offer to Milsap a couple seasons ago included:
“The Blazers front-loaded the contract to make it difficult for Utah to match. They gave Millsap a $5.6 million signing bonus and agreed to pay him $4.7 million of his first-year, $6.3 million salary the day the contract becomes effective.
So a week from now, Millsap would receive $10.3 million.” It was reported elsewhere that the $10mil had to be paid w/in 7 days of signing actual contract.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4320029
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 28, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Not really
This could be an erroneous assumption too. it all depends on how the payments are structured in Daly’s contract. He could, for all we know, have gotten all of his 13 million this season already in one big lump sum.
He could have, but it doesn’t affect this. If he did get a lump sum, the Rockets would have to pay the Kings back for the portion of the season he plays in Houston.
Webber got a lump sum
I remember one of the Maloofs telling the story on the radio. Having to sign a $18 million dollar check each summer.
Digital Garbage
If Brooks or Augustin are possibilities, it would be tough to argue.
If it’s just losing Sam for Yao to save the cash? I get it, but I’d be sour about it.
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Which I will eat.
NOOOOOOOOO
Yao is done… he runs and his feet bones break. I wouldn’t trade Pooh for him.
Yao is hurt?
OMG, PRESIDENT KENNEDY HAS BEEN SHOT?!?
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by andy sims on Dec 28, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
When did Jamie Kennedy get elected President?
I need to spend more time off of this blog.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
An Ugly thought
I actually know Jamie from my LA days
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by lietothegirls on Dec 28, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
You don't seem fond of the memory.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Not that bad a guy (he was a tenant of mine for three years)
just shallow, self absorbed and silly. Typical I guess but he’s one of the lucky ones who has had some success with very little talent IMO.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
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by lietothegirls on Dec 28, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
"When I asked where she was when Kennedy was shot she said, "Ted Kennedy was shot?"
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn’t trade Pooh for him.
Is that the same as saying wouldn’t give a shit?
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Dec 28, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
But I just saved money on my Yao insurance!
We could save a couple million while communicating to the fans that we’re not even trying anymore, getting rid of the only guy on our team capable of guarding a player like Griffin one on one. Or we could give back the only piece we got from trading our best player two years ago for a PG who is barely better than Beno. Sign me up!
I’m sorry, but I see absolutely no reason in the world why the Kings would do this deal. It’s one thing to trade for a player that you think might help you in the future. At least show the fans you are trying. It’s another thing entirely to say to the fans, “Yeah, Sammy might be our only legit inside defender, but we just saved $2m”
I really and truly hope that Maloofs aren’t dumb enough to trade a couple million dollars for the loyalty and trust of the remaining Kings fans. And FWIW, I would like to see us resign Dally for a reasonable salary next season. He is at very least a solid backup center.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
He could still be re-signed, even if he was traded.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
Right
But does he really want to come back to a losing team that dumped him mid-season? I get the feeling from everything I’ve heard that he’s a pretty loyal guy. If we show him we need him and want him here, we probably have an inside edge. If not, why would he return?
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Tilting at windmills
I like Dalembert, but making moves based on how it will affect his feelings of loyalty this summer constitutes focusing on the wrong thing.
Besides, he’s the oldest player on the team, he’ll be a back-up if things go right with DMC, and it’s a stone-cold lock that he’s going to sign a small contract with the Heat so he can start, contend for a title and be a short flight from Haiti.
by Tom Ziller on Dec 28, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's possible
but the trade makes no sense to me for PR, team building, the fanbase, the future – I wouldn’t give up my mothers china.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Dec 28, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
PR and reality are two different things
Yeah, it’s not a great PR move. But $2 million is $2 million, and the Kings are 5-23. And the Kings could tell fans they believe Yao will play again and they’ll consider signing him to a contract this summer, since they’ll have his Bird rights.
by Tom Ziller on Dec 28, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Man
I couldn’t wait for that to come up. Yao’s Bird rights. Does anyone really believe that those have any value at all after his string of injuries? Maybe I’m the exception, but I want to see us at least trying. The day a team with the lowest salary in the NBA starts doing deals to save cash is the day fans start looking for a different team to follow. Sorry, that’s just how I feel.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No doubt
I don’t disagree. Yao’s Bird rights really don’t mean anything. But you’re arguing it’s an awful PR move. I’m giving a possible bandage for that. It certainly won’t work on sophisticated fans like you, and that’s why I think a pick or PG needs to be involved too. But it’s still a possible line the team can present.
by Tom Ziller on Dec 28, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess
I just hoped that if teams were picking up anything of value by trading an expiring it would be us getting the player of value.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think you're overrating Dalembert's value to the Kings
He’s an expiring contract, the oldest player at the deepest (kinda) position, and the Kings are 5-23.
by Tom Ziller on Dec 28, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I question our real depth at Center
Considering how badly Griffin manhandled Cuz and the fouls issue, not sure a backup defensive center is a luxury for us. But even if it is, we should be the ones shopping our expiring contract, not the ones looking to buy one. I mean seriously? We have the lowest fricking salary in the NBA and we are shopping around to save cash? Really? Please tell me that’s not what GP is quietly spending his time doing behind the scenes. In GP I trust . . . to get us back in contention, not to make us the K-Mart of the NBA>
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
when you have a capped out veteran team that needs rebuilding, I understand and endorse cost cutting deals. When you have a young cheap moldable team that is ready to take a step at some point (God knows when) then you’re losing me at how committed you are to building a winning team when 2 million dollars is a reason you’re trading for a player in a season you know he can’t play for you. Even more so when you know he might never play again.
I just don’t see the comparisons between where this team was at in February 09, when the slew of financial deals were made, and now. To me it’s like comparing daylight to darkness but saying that darkness is a necessary evil to get back to light. Or something like that.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Dec 28, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Well said. A rec and a smile.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Ah yes! The unwashed moronic majority!
please, It fools no one TZ.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Dec 28, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
With ya SB.
If the Maloof’s really need to save 2 million bucks this year……there’s no point in following this team in the future.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
They did the same stuff in '08-09
And here you are, still following the team.
by Tom Ziller on Dec 28, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
With a 70 million payroll I understand that.
With a 44 million payroll? Not so much.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If you're following the team ....
… based on how highly they prioritize financial savings during a 5-23 season … I think you have it backwards.
by Tom Ziller on Dec 28, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Somehow I'd knew you'd twist that point.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If that 2 million dollars allows them to make the Kings a profitable entity
without sacrificing anything in the W-L column, then I’m all for it. This clearly does this with a 5-23 team. They’re actually adding salary in the proposed deal, it’s just that insurance is lowering the bottom-line.
Real life intervenes
The Maloofs have some MAJOR money issues. I’m a banker and we have deals with the family. They are hurting.
The ideal is to get back at least 1 young, talented player, but if they can dump Dally and 1 or 2 of the many “maybes” on this 5-23 team that finds every way possible to lose, and gain $2MM+, they’re probably gonna do it …
And why not? Top 5 pick in next year’s draft, new CBA coming, if they add 1 player through this trade and cut salary?
The sad part is that I hadn't even considered the possibility that he could ever play again.
I was in it for the possibility of getting a guard back.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Dec 28, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be another motivation for dealing Yao.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I would suspect
This would only happen if we were also getting back a player that can be used NOW as well. If we can get AB and save $$, its a no brainer. Given the fact that GP has dealt with Morey so much, I wouldn’t be surprised if something comes to fruition here…
I was uncool before it was cool
I think I'd rather have Lowry
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The issue with Lowry is that he could turn down any trade this season because of the fact that Cleveland signed him to an offer sheet and Houston matched it.
Also Lowry is BYC, but that isn’t an issue in dealing with the Kings because they have cap room.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
confused
Lowry has a no trade clause?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Not really.
Houston can attempt to trade him but he has to give his consent before being traded. It’s one of the things that happens when you sign a restricted Free Agent and the team that originally had the player decides to match the offer.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Really? I never knew that. Thanks for crushing my Lowry lusting dreams.
so for the rest of Lowry’s contract he has to consent to a trade?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
No just this season.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
ah, thanks
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
I would guess Lowry would come here though
Up and coming team despite the record. Guarenteed starting job, instead of coming off the bench behind Brooks. Pretty good situation for a player still trying to establigh himself.
Okay
The ESPN Trade Machine also explains Lowry’s situation.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Like the crane at a pond's edge, there is a most satisfying benefit to the acquisition of Yao Ming for the wayward hatchlings
With the guidance of this most respected and admired Shoa lin master, I can see the emergence of new side to DeMarcus Cousins (and no disrespect to Pablo Sandoval)
by betweentheeyes on Dec 28, 2010 10:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Or Yao's guidance could result in more of this
Yao “Hey, Big Cuz, let me give you some tips on training.”
Cousins, “Ummmm . . . I don’t think so.”
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Are those stilts
being used as crutches?
by Smills9133 on Dec 28, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is actually a valuable point. Yao’s guidance could produce some unexpected results in Cousin’s game. I’m not saying I’m in favor of the trade, but that could be a hidden boon.
by Charles L. Pierro on Dec 28, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Yao and Cuz wouldn't me spending much time "talkin' shop".
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 28, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
If the kings think Yao can be healthy next season and want to sign him long term
They should trade for him now instead of waiting to get him in free agency to get his bird right. It will prevent the rockets and most of the teams in the nba to sign him because they don’t have the cap space or trade exception.
OKay TZ you're right
I guess some fans WILL believe anything
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Yao learns his Bird rights are now held by the worst team in the NBA
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Dec 28, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Awesome!!!
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
I bet this goes green in 5 minutes.
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Erf 10 minutes.
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You're welcome.
Ten minutes on the dot.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Awesomeness indeed.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If the upshot is, we get Brooks or Augustin for Landry, plus additional cap space, how do you feel about it?
Yes, you.
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Which I will eat.
I think you need an upgrade that is better than Aaron Brooks. Especially when you factor in that Brooks would be getting a new deal..
…next summer and what not. I just don’t see what Houston really has, with the possible exception of Terrence Williams (whom I’m not rather keen on trading for), that has any great appeal other than Brooks.
Last year made sense to deal Kevin Martin. Or at least it did to me. I just don’t think this go-around would be as beneficial to the Kings when dealing with Houston.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Is Brooks last year a player option?
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It's a qualifying offer that he would have to accept after he & the team couldn't come to terms on a contract offer.
Brooks is a restricted Free Agent this summer.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hmm, Augustin would make more sense, anyway.
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Which I will eat.
What about Lowry?
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The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Read my answer below. I already responded to your Lowry comment.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I mean above HT.
I’m confused today. Sorry.
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Yeah I forgot he's on the Rockets.
I’d consider Lee.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Somebody sell me on Brooks
If he was a ball distributing PG who could get our guys more easy open shots, I’d see it. If he was a lock down defender, I’d see it. If he was even a significantly better shooter than Beno I’d see it. Even if he was going to be a lot cheaper. But right now I just don’t see a huge advantage to signing Brooks. What am I missing?
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
It wouldn't be me
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Dec 28, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Me either
I think he is a lot of fun to watch. Super quick, aggressive, not afraid to shoot any time from anywhere.
But I would not want him on my team, especially next to Reke.
Well, yeah if we
can nab a young PG who can hit 3s in his sleep, that makes this a great trade for the Kings. I really could see a 3 way trade with a team like Charolette who is looking to shed payroll.
I wouldn't mind too much
I prefer Augustine over Brooks, but either player would be nice. I just think that they wouldn’t be a grand upgrade to what we already have. Neither of them is a bonfide playmaker and they aren’t remarkably better shooters than Beno. I don’t know if we have enough value to make better trade though.
Never Turn Back - Crush 40
by raiderking21 on Dec 28, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
3 point% & Assist Rate
Udrih: 31.5% (career 35%) & 24.44%
Augustine: 36.9% (career 40%) & 31.1%
Brooks: 37.5% (career 37.9% & 23.73%
So overall, Augustine would seem to be a big upgrade in the two percentages we are looking for the most help in. Brooks seems to be a minor upgrade, but I agree, on paper he doesn’t appear to be an ideal fit.
How about that Kevin Martin guy?
He’s playing well . . . . .
(someone had to do it)
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
We could involve Landry in the trade
I think it could work
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by raiderking21 on Dec 28, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
prowseinthehouse made a suggestion on the other thread
Houston needs cap space and a center. We need a good player or two. I’m sure there’s some other team out there that would like Yao’s expiring and the money it would save. So we do a three team trade where Houston gets Sammy, the third team gets Yao, and we could a couple of solid veterans. I could totally see that.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
Now this makes a lot of sense to me.
Helping facilitate a 3 team trade is something your cap space CAN do.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm looking at YOU, Charlotte!
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Yao?
This sounds like an idea Ailene Voisin would advance…trade for a player who would probably never play again due to injury. The Maloofs have already said they have cap room to get a player…why would they trade some of their existing young talent for damaged goods?
There's a really good FanPost around here someplace that explains it pretty well.
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If you agree with the argument
I think it builds on failure.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Dec 28, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
yao?
How do you guys think of these stuff?it is a bunch of crap.will i get flagged for saying crap?
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Dec 28, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Flagged
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Dec 28, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You remember when the Kings picked up
Ralph Sampson? He was awesome. When he was young and healthy. His time with the Kings, not so much.
At this point I couldn’t care less about what happens with the team. I would like to see Beno and Landry traded so they don’t have to be part of the suck. I like those guys and wish them well, they can help a team out right now.
Gentlemen... BEHOLD!!!
Of course,
they only gave up Jim Petersen to obtain Sampson, and JP was promptly injured at Golden State. More of a non-deal than a bad deal, though it did cost the Kings about a million more in additional salary.
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The owner of Folsom lake Ford played for the Kings? Now thats dedication.
I understand if this actually happens, it will be like the T-Mac deal. Yao will probably never suit up for the Kings. I don’t see it hurting the Kings all that much.
Gentlemen... BEHOLD!!!
by Wrath of Kyle on Dec 28, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Something Tom Martin, of the Dream Shake, said makes sense to me
We can talk about the financial implications of moving Yao, but there’s no denying a few things: A) The Rockets have maintained popularity in China on their own, despite Yao sitting on the bench. Players are still getting shoe deals in China that they would never get in the United States, and B) The NBA has made its mark in China as a league, and why many others have ascended above Yao. Regardless of the financial technicalities, it would be foolish for the Rockets to hold off on rebuilding to win in order to pocket more money to lose.
I know Les Alexander has made a ton of money and has had a very profitable franchise. But, at some point you have to accept where your franchise is at.
If the Maloof’s make a move to solely save money, I think that probably indicates that they should sell the team regardless of whether they want to or not.
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And this will sting for some I'm sure...
….but essentially the Maloof’s will have become no different than Donald Sterling. Regardless of reasons, that’s just the bottom line.
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And that's why they shouldn't do it.
At least not in any trade that just saves a few bucks. Now, if they moved Dal to the East coast where he’d be closer to Haiti and received a decent player back, say Wallace from Charlotte (I know you’re not a huge fan) – it makes a lot of sense.
The (apparently ignorant per TZ) fanbase woud love to get him back.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Dec 28, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
If we're talking about players I have no issue.
That’s doing something to help your basketball team improve. It’s the idea that you would trade for Yao based solely on moentary savings that really irks me. Especially when the last 4 major deals of this team have been to cut the fat off to get to this very point, and you go and trade a player who can play for you now to save 2 million dollars? That’s Donald Sterling, and he did that very thing with Marcus Camby. I refuse to root for a franchise that does this. If I’m alone, well so be it.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Dec 28, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I could totally see a deal where The Bobcats get Yao’s expiring, We give Houston Sammy and maybe someone like Landry, and Charlotte gives us $15 TO $19 M worth of players. Lots of possibilities there and a win/win for all teams.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Now that seems possible and doable.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Much like your mom.
You can consider this my retirement from comedy.
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by andy sims on Dec 28, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Retirement accepted.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You do comedy?
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
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Well, not "do."
I occasionally molest it after getting it drunk.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I wish!
Comedy has unfriended me on Facebook, and gotten a restraining order, mandating I keep 100 yards way from it at all times. Which sucks, because it’s no fun hanging with cowboyron96.
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by andy sims on Dec 28, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
And I gave Sims the 6th rec so I have no taste too.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
if this is wrong I apologize but I find cowboyron funny
he reminds of this guy:
Oooooooh, why I oughta! You rassin-frassin varmit
by betweentheeyes on Dec 28, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Now let's not go splitting hares
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
that would be an awesome profile pic
actually that pic really really looks like a cartoon version of cowboyron’s pic
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 29, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
Well done Gents.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Milano and Alba for me
There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.
by ElRonToro on Dec 28, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Can I borrow your memory
for about 10 minutes?
There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.
10?
What, are you taking her to dinner first?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 28, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Eating was going to be involved
There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.
by ElRonToro on Dec 28, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Flagged
For making me hungry.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 29, 2010 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
All kinds of win
rec’s for everyone
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 29, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
Who would we get from Charlotte
In this scenario? Would the Maloofs be willing to take on salaries/contracts that extend beyond this season? I thought their mantra was no new spending until after the CBA.
Which is my point.
it would mean financial commitment rather than shedding more salary. I’m fine with standing pat; I’m not okay with shedding salary to save more money because the team is losing.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Below is why I think a Charlotte deal would be unlikely
it would mean financial commitment rather than shedding more salary
Since both Dal and Landry are FA
taking on Wallace (or someone) would still have us not much over the league minimum, though I haven’t done the math.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Dec 28, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
It depends on where the cap number ends up.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It looks like we'd still be under to me
Say Wallace, 10.5 mil + D Jackson’s option puts us at about $40 mil.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Dec 28, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Quite probably yes.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think people might be reading too much into the CBA
We already have the lowest salary of any team, plus we have a big expiring, and we don’t even know what the CBA will be or what it will do or how it will do it. Yes it will be nice to be in a position where we have room when other teams have to cut back. But my guess is that it will be eased into over a couple of years. Too hard on too many teams to make it happen all at once. If we can get good players now, even with longer contracts, we should do it. Winning will solve many ills.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
The NBA benefits ratings wise to keep Miami's superteam together.
do you think LA wants to give up what it has with Kobe & Pau? Me thinks not. There are plenty of teams in the same boat. This CBA deal isn’t nearly as clearcut as some think it is. It’s about what it’s always about: Money.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Exactly
No way the NBA passes any deal that forces Miami to break up the big three.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Is it ok
if I gadzooks your me thinks?
There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Me thinks it makes no difference me thinks.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
As long as your trading away Sammy's $13.5M
and aren’t taking much more than that back, your still going to have less than $40M in guaranteed contracts next year.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
The Maloofs might have too many eggs in that basket
But it’s been pretty plainly stated that they want to see out the CBA before committing future salary, barring a blockbuster opportunity. Again, maybe the strategy sucks and the Kings should go after players now. But this is the strategy. It’s what the team is doing.
True, that's what they've said
But they are also salesmen. If we begin to turn things around, they can stand pat. If we continue to lose, the pressure gets higher and higher to do something now. We’ve talked about the coach losing the team, but the team can’t afford to lose its fans either.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
They are like Bernie Madoff, NBA style
It’s a Bonzi scheme.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Nice!
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
I think that with the current record
and some of the rumors about them looking for another PG, that the earlier committment to waiting for the CBA might have changed.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
The player that interests me is DJ Augustin.
I’d also like to steal Bayless from Toronto, but I haven’t devised any schemes to make it happen.
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Which I will eat.
I think either Augustin or GW would be an upgared over what we have now at those positions
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
And possibly an upgrade
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Posbilly.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 28, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
There's one in every crowd.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
Stephen Jackson
I think he would be a good influence and role model for Cousins
Gentlemen... BEHOLD!!!
by Wrath of Kyle on Dec 28, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
I sincerely hope this is sarcasm.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
I would guess yes.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe I was just hoping it was sarcasm.
Hard to tell with me these days.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
funny, still funny
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Dec 28, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Don't feed the trolls
Oh wait, I’m the troll.
Gentlemen... BEHOLD!!!
by Wrath of Kyle on Dec 28, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Only if jamaal tinsley is also available
Look out, gold club
by lchristmas on Dec 28, 2010 12:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If that happens, I'm buying Centerfolds stock
And Padilla Bail Bonds stock.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't think we know that
we just know the Kings aren’t spending stupidly before the new CBA.
If they really liked someone like Augustine or Wallace, I’d hope they would be willing to spend.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 28, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How about this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2792wkf
We take a chance on a cheap, young PG for two seasons without taking much financial commitment back.
The Bobcats get to save some cash this year and next.
The Rockets get a half season rental of Dalemert who can help them in the here and now with 0 future financial commitment.
Dominic McGuire?!?
Do you not remember what he did to this franchise?
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You also need to decide which 3 players we cut, though.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
We only need to cut 2 (losing Landry & Dally)
Guessing we cut McGuire and Nazr. Neither fit in our long term plans. Both would still come off our cap at the end of the year. they are just expiring contracts to make the deal work.
OK
So let’s tie up future cap space so that we can go 20-62 instead of 15-67. It makes no sense!
by Tom Ziller on Dec 28, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure it does.
Winning 20 games is better than winning 15.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Really?
You’d trade a clean cap sheet for an extra five wins in this awful season?
by Tom Ziller on Dec 28, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Not exactly no.
What I think, and will maintain, is that you either stand pat with this roster or you go out and get players that help you improve. Saving 2 million dollars, if you’re that hard up, and in this era of the NBA, means you’re way too hard up to own a team.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Exactly the point. Do something well. In this case, it is losing with a purpose
Odds is odds. Having the most ping pong balls is better than not having the most ping pong balls.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 28, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's pretty clear that we need some new blood
and if we’re just waiting until the new CBA to spend the cap space, what’s the difference if we do in today instead of next July. As long as the contracts are of decent value, we’re really only spending some of the Maloofs profits from this year for the extra wins, and not the cap space.
Besides who knows what value our cap space will have next summer. If we can get talent we can use now, well, " it your money and you need it now".
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Never did I ever think it was possible to quote JG Wentworth at StR. Well done HT.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I want an annuity payment
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if the government is willing to give Kings fans restitution for emotional suffering.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Dec 28, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Suffering? Wait until "Austerity 2011" hits theaters near you.
And everything else.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
I want my free ice cream cone.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Two things can help the Kings sell more tickets
More wins now shows fans that we have a future. It’s not the total, but the direction. Tell me you don’t believe if if the Kings got a player or two and started winning a few more games this season that fans in sac wouldn’t get excited again. The fans are looking for anything to help them believe we are just around the corner.
A team that looks solidly better for next year. I wouldn’t rent Carmelo for a year, because that would only translate to more wins this season. But I would absolute add a player/s that helped us win five more games this year and ten more next year. Absolutely.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 28, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
You could argue that if fans believe this team has a future...
…they will buy tickets and that helps improve the teams financial state. You can argue this any way you like it. it’s a matter of perspective and taste.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
G-Wall
would get a ton of fans back into the seats. No matter if we still finished 20-30 in the next 50.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 28, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
eh I doubt Gerald will bring more people back based on just his name, if that is what you are implying
winning would help though
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
I do.
He represents an era.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 28, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
do you think people were brought back in by Bobby Jackson being back here?
because he was sure as hell a much much bigger part of that era than Gerald was
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly. Wally nailed it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Gerald Wallace is a productive All-star.
Bobby was in on his last leg.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 29, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
I dunno if just bringing an all star is going to get more people to come after maybe the first game or two
but if they start winning more than yeah. Either way, people are going to come out of optimism for more wins not because somebody “represents an era”
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 29, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
Him representing an era wasn't my main point.
People respond to big names and he’s a big, familiar, name.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 29, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
eh I doubt Gerald will bring more people back based on just his name, if that is what you are implying
I do. He represents an era.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 29, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh
Wally I said having G-Wall back would put people in their seats. In my mind I was thinking about how he’s an All-star that people around here love. You injected his name appeal and I said I did believe his name held weight around here but that was the 2nd biggest reason in my mind.
Done here?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 29, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
BRING BACK FUNDERBURKE.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
Corliss has been held Scorliss for too long, bring him back!
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
15-67?
You must be an optimist TZ.
Purveyor of Bull Plop
True, true, however
our season has been front-loaded with home games and against teams we should have beaten at that. How do you think we’ll do in Feb and Mar playing 4 or 5 games in 7 nights on the road?
Purveyor of Bull Plop
I don't think we'll miss a step, actually.
I think we’ll be every bit as good.
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Which I will eat.
You just pegged the sarcasm meter Andy
Purveyor of Bull Plop
Nah, that was irony, baby.
It’s like sarcasm, but with a college degree.
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by andy sims on Dec 28, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Sims is always on a roll. He just doesn't always feel like extending his platform.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
How convinced are you
that the Maloofs will actually use all the cap space on the other side of the CBA (presumably)? I don’t know all the ins and outs of their finances, but it seems like they’re in so so financial shape. What’s your opinion on their financial state?
Well I don't know what the status of their finances are.
And quite honestly I don’t really care except how it pertains to what they will & won’t spend when it comes to the Kings. Having said that, if you judge their wealth based on their propertied and what debt they own, it’s hard to say they have a rosy outlook.
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based on their properties^
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I disagree.
They own a basketball team, and arena, and a casino. The economy in Las Vegas is very bad, but as the rest of the country emerges from the recession, people will start flying to Vegas to piss away their money. The upswing in Vegas will be faster than in the economy at large, even if it will start later.
They may not be billionaires on paper anymore, but I’d trade places with them without a second thought. My assumption is that they are being turbo-cheap as a medium-range strategy, not out of necessity.
If it is out of necessity, then I agree with you, they should sell the team to someone that can afford it.
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by andy sims on Dec 28, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm wondering about the money the Maloof's have "saved" from past trades.
Is this money that gets set aside for future player acquisitions, or has it been spent to keep the business afloat? If, it has been spent to keep the franchise afloat, will there be any money to pay for future players?
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
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It's a good question.
But the question is are there finances decent enough despite the recent downturn taking such a huge chunk of all their businesses.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The argument is B.S.
The Kings have made it quite clear they are making moves to land players this summer, not hoard cash forever. Whether it’s a smart strategy remains to be seen, but Sterling does this whether he’s got a good team or not. The Maloofs would do it because the Kings really, really suck.
by Tom Ziller on Dec 28, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dalembert has value which will increase
as the deadline approaches. He is not Kenny Thomas.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Dec 28, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
Agreed. I’m not saying this is the best possible trade for Dalembert, though. I’m arguing why the Maloofs could do this.
by Tom Ziller on Dec 28, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
At no point have I argued that you think this is a smart idea.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I certainly hope they don't think it's a good idea
for all the reasons Pookey, I and others made above.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Dec 28, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Well, these are the people that sold their beer distributorship
to put more money into their casino. Nuff said.
Purveyor of Bull Plop
They claimed it was because they were no longer hands on owners.
Whether that’s true or not only they know.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Actually
They sold their dealership to keep from potentially losing the entire investment in their Casino and quite possibly the Kings as well.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
red flags everywhere
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
If this is true the Kings are screwed.
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quite honestly they very well might be
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
The gambling market took a huge nose dive
They literally could have lost the entire casino. And the Kings were losing money as well. Selling the dealership gave them a big infusion of cash when they really needed it. I think that as the economy recovers, it will prove to be a very smart move.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
yeah they were completely out of liquidity and need to still pay the loans for the Palms
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
it also explains that horrid Bulls trade (sorry but it was horrid)
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Also necessary.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
There was also serious talk of the Maloofs being a prominent Madoff client
So, Madoff, Bad Economy, extravagent lifestyle: all at once.
They have curbed their lifestyle, sold their beer distributorship and seem active and sincere in righting their financial ship. That includes positioning the Kings for future success. That is what they contend and I don’t see any reason to doubt them…. yet.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 28, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
well technically, I see more reasons to doubt them then believe in them given the stuff you just cited but here's hoping
as a sidenote, how horrid was the timing for them to spend $2 million two years ago on all the pre game special effect stuff with the lights and flames on the court.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
They speculated some and got caught.
They made some decisions that worked against them. It is business – there are peaks and valleys to wealth, solvency is an ocean sometimes stormy, sometimes calm, always moving (i.e. Donald Trump). To me, I am supportive because they seem to have dealt with their failed ventures and are making better decisions moving forward. It may not be enough but the effort and intent appear to be well directed. I only know the PR angle, so I am usually a sucker and this time is probably no different. But I am also an optimist so I am projecting a good future
by betweentheeyes on Dec 28, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't be shocked if your scenario is how it played out bte.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Pook, as I recall you had a very well researched post either here or at your site
showing that even in the season the Maloofs borrowed money from the credit facility the league had set up, that they still made money. Regardless of the actual state of the Maloof Family fortune (remember they also own around 8% of Wells Fargo) there have never been George Shinn Hornets)or Bruce Ratner (Nets) type rumors regarding their financial situation.
"It ain't Chinese algebra" - Tony Allen from Basketbawful
That wasn't me.
That was Larry David or whoever that guy was. Sorry I’m too lazy to look it up right now.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I know SB.
I was just quoting them for….I don’t know…posterity?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Aren't you supposed to be writing something else right about now?
Two words:
Dead.
Line.
;-P
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 28, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
I'd respond but it might cost me dinner.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
You can't cook?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Define cooking
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
Cut vent in film, cook for 8 minutes on HIGH
Stir, recover and heat for an additional 5 minutes
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 28, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
This may be pound for pound the best response in StR history IMO.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You vent?
Well, aren’t you the epicurian.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Way to flout your own Ban Hammer rules.
Oh, wait.
/thumbs through Webster’s.
Never mind.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 28, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's probably more important who has the checkbook. And that's where I back away from this conversation with nothing but fear and dread of continuing.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Anyone who's been married long
knows it’s not just dinner. It’s dessert as well. So, yeah. Good time to stop.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
My problem is I can live without dessert.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
There is probably some way to bring up the part
of giving your server a good tip but it will come to me later
by betweentheeyes on Dec 28, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
No sex? No wonder you always seem so grumpy.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
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That's not why I'm grumpy.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Actually, SB is a really good cook.
I’m just better.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 28, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Judge the cooking not the cook
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 28, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if I'm desperately in love with the cook?
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 28, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
any husband who is called a really good cook by his wife
is a fantastically great in my book.
"It ain't Chinese algebra" - Tony Allen from Basketbawful
trade for YM
why not? the kings are hopeless and will probably set a new record for losses. YAO will get healthy again and might attract a high quality veteran to come here next year. trade for him.
Yao's contract is expiring.
Expiring, as in he could (and almost definitely would) choose to go to another team next year. Assuming, of course, that he was healthy enough to play. Which he won’t be. Which is why Houston wants to dump him. Because he is, for all intents and purposes, done.
Which means, of course, that trading for Yao Ming would not in any way help us to attract a high quality veteran free agent to sign with us next year. Because he won’t be here.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 28, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In the same article....
….the Rockets were considering keeping Yao if he could come back healthy. The general consensus at this point is that Yao won’t play a NBA game, and if he does, it won’t be long before he goes down again.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The Kings could trade Sammy for Yao and Landry for Oden
That would help fill the seats at ARCO
(the bench seats but seats nonetheless)
by betweentheeyes on Dec 28, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd
for filling the most expensive seats in the house.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Unlike Yao
Oden still has a career ahead of him and time left on his contract.
Oops
Scratch that. Thought Oden still had an extra year left on his contract. Just checked and realized he doesn’t.
I would go for it if we got a young player or two and picks
I mean we are rebuilding and going to suck this year anyway. We lose both Landry and Dalembert to FA anyway and this is our chance to get something for the future. I say go for it, save 2 million, and get something for the future. Dalembert is a black hole in the offense anyway.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
by MustangMBS on Dec 28, 2010 12:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Forgot to add
This way Cousins starts and develops and we bring back Whiteside, who is just sitting on the Bighorns now anyway.
Besides, who actually believes the latest PR BS, “We are playing our most experienced player.” They are showcasing Dalembert as the starter so they can get value in a trade.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
by MustangMBS on Dec 28, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
kings are a black hole
YAO would stay here if he was paid well. the whole idea is trade for him and make a sales pitch. worth a try, this team isn’t getting better. i dont see it.
by manassamauler on Dec 28, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
You do understand that he'll probably never suit up for a game again, right?
I mean, even Laker fans understand the basics.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 28, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Hahahaha LPA.
We just asked the same thing.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And ummm jinx!
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
kings might be worse next year at this rate
bye bye landy, dalembert. there goes the frontcourt. would love to see cousins blow up next year, but with no veterans?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28xwf3r
Yao to Charlotte
Landry and Sammy to Houston
Augustin, Wallace, and Henderson (to match up salaries)
Mitch Richmond - All-Time leader in shots taken with a toe on the three point line. True Story...You can look it up.
This would even give a legitimate reason to waive Head if the Kings did it by Jan 10th.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't see any way that Charlotte gives up
two starters. I think it’s a lot more likely that the Kings could get DJ or GW, but not both, without giving up more.
Another interesting team to throw into a three way trade would be the Sixers though. I think you could get Iggy and maybe someone like Lou Williams if Houston got Sammy and you gave the Sixers one of our youngs.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
Is Lou Williams really the type of player the Kings need?
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Maybe not.
But you’d have to take on some salary to get them to do the deal and I’d rather it not be ET. Plus he has a 16.5 PER this season. Third highest on their team.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
that would be the best trade ever for us.
i mean that trade blows away richmond for webber.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Are you serious?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
trading dalembert and Landry for Gerald Wallace and DJ Augustin?
grand theft arco.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Uh not so much there sparky.
Come again.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
i mean we had to trade an all star to get webber.
we would be picking up an all star and a starting pg for two role players who are leaving anyway.
im not saying gerald or dj are as talented as webb, but they are far less talented than mitch was.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
that came out wrong. what i meant...
the talent disparity between landry/sam and gerald/dj is far greater than that of c-webb and richmond.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I agree that getting Augustin & Wallace would be abig time steal
But not bigger than the Webber deal. What you have to remember is that Richmond was on his way down and Webber was on his way up. In their primes they were both awesome players, but Richmond only played four more seasons after we traded him.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
And Mitch wasn't an All-Star in any 4 of those seasons.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
buy low sell hi...
whatever. maybe i let my inner-Bill Walton out a bit. But that doesn’t negate the fact that trade would be grand larceny.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Dec 28, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
I don't think DJ Augustin is that good.
Gerald Wallace’s health concerns would be Sacramento’s. Sorry Trojan, but there is risk here for the Kings.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
not that i am arguing this trade is realistic, because I don't think it is...
however, you think there is a better use of the expirings than gerald wallace and dj augustin?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I don't know.
I just don’t think it’s as slam dunk of a deal as you’re purporting it to be.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Agreed.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Has Raymond Felton taught us nothing?
Can’t judge a point guard by how he plays in Charlotte.
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Beat me by 10 mins.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 28, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Okay let me clarify.
Augustin is talented. What Augustin is not is good enough to make a deal a “heist”.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I blame Larry Brown.
Look how horrible he made Felton look last year. Now, Felton should be an all-star.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 28, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
because that D'antoni guy has never made a PG look really good before
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Myth
Were Chris Duhon and Nate Robinson all-star level guards for him? Nope. He was great with Nash, because Nash is a great point guard. Felton is looking great as well, but it isn’t like Felton was never a good guard. He was very good at UNC.
D’Antoni’s system allows point guards to thrive, but it doesn’t make his guards better than what their skills allow.
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Well I won't argue he made Nate Robinson and Chris Duhon look like all stars but he sure made them look good
I get what you are saying and I would agree that Felton is clearly not a bad player but I doubt he would be an allstar playing elsewhere. Either way Felton looking bad under Larry Brown does not mean that DJ Augustin is going to be an allstar without him
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
not close to the Webber trade
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
OOps!!!!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28xwf3r
Mitch Richmond - All-Time leader in shots taken with a toe on the three point line. True Story...You can look it up.
hahah
that trade projects the kings to lose 5 LESS games!!!LOL. might be 2 -80 next year
by manassamauler on Dec 28, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
king should trade for somebody.
these guys aren’t winning anyway. dalembert and landy will beg to leave next year. TRADE THEM NOW. we could get a quality veteran or 2.
I ask not out of arrogance but just curiosity: Do you think Yao Ming will play another NBA game?
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i dont know
and neither do you. kings are going nowhere, they should do something, attract some players and COACHES to come here. kings would be the laughingstock of the NBA if people knew that they existed.
by manassamauler on Dec 28, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Well the consensus among some of the people in the know is that Ming may not player another NBA game.
He’s also not under contract past this summer so you’re taking a risk and essentially a player who won’t play for one who is playing now.
You do realize that the whole thing TZ was really writing about was to save the Maloof’s money right?
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maloofs have to much $$$
small payroll, forget saving them money!!lol.
by manassamauler on Dec 28, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
How old are you?
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by pookeyguru on Dec 28, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Fire sale!! TRADE TRADE TRADE!! Must do it now! Quick we aren't winning anyways!! MOVE MOVE MOVE! Trade for anyone! Trade for anything!!
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 28, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Well done Heurisitic.
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why not
our good players will leave regardless.
by manassamauler on Dec 28, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Our good players are stuck with us for quite some time
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 28, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think we're dealing with 2 + 2 here Heuristic.
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by pookeyguru on Dec 28, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I meant manass.
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Shutup Beavis.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
kings have lowest payroll in NBA
owners are either cheap or players laugh at them when asked to come play here. funny how we only get good players through trades.
Is Tyreke Evans a good player? DeMarcus Cousins a good player?
Because if they are, they didn’t get here through trades. Vlade Divac, and Brad Miller (even though technically it was a “trade”) also signed with the Kings.
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how about free agents
need free agents to improve. cant get any good ones. why is that?
by manassamauler on Dec 28, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
need free agents to improve
Which mega Free Agent did San Antonio sign?
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Before they started to win championships that is.
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hmmm
i dont know their draft history, i know the drafted duncan
by manassamauler on Dec 28, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Psssst...
(The correct answer is NOBODY.) (You’re welcome.)
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 28, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
feel better
you have important info about the spurs. congrats
by manassamauler on Dec 28, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
You might want to look up
before his point flies right over your head
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 28, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
That's the type of response
that will get your ticket punched. Watch it, please.
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I feel like I'm beating up on a little kid just using logic and nothing else.
This is weird to say the least.
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And it is glorious...
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 28, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
It's funny
because after you asked this question I started wondering about the old Spurs and didn’t realize that Sean Elliot played one year with the Pistons. What’s funny is that his basketball-reference page pic is him in a Pistons jersey along with the sponsor writing “Great Spur … Great American.”
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
LOl Wally
That’s awesome.
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I'm not sure if this is against the new rules
But for some reason I read your user name as Man Ass mauler
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 28, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
LOL
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Man Ass A Mauler.
Well done Heuristic.
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Gotta make it look good
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look
kings are the LAST place players want to play, thats why the payroll is 25 million less than the warriors. cant win like that. will never win unless the spend.
Another way of looking at this
is that for $25 million more, the Dubs are still crappy.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
warriors have an awesome PG and 2
curry a REAL point guard and ellis, david lee. that team is on its way.
by manassamauler on Dec 28, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
We have a 15 year old We Believer on our hands.
Of course. It all makes sense now.
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Agreed
On its way to about 30 wins.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
warriors have more than us
they have 3 starters who produce very night. we have nothing right now, evans is hurt, cousins is a rook. casspi doesn’t get minutes. team is in shambles, landry and dalembert are gone. thompson is good but a role player. team is in shambles. shake it up.
by manassamauler on Dec 28, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
I ain't all that upset we didn't go out of our way to sign David Lee to a max deal
sorry but I am not, although I applaud the Warriors for doing that.
And the only reason I would want Ellis is to see what I can trade him for.
Curry’s pretty darn good though
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Right
For $25 million more, they have a team that still won’t make the playoffs, which will make them 1 for 11 this century.
Really, if you’re going to draw a comparison, tou can do better than the Dubs.
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But why spend for the sake of spending?
There are plenty of high-payroll teams that have been really bad. The Knicks, for example.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 28, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
yep
thats what the owners say every year. its working great.
by manassamauler on Dec 28, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
You realize
that this is the first year this century where the Kings have really been below the cap, right?
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No 214. It's increasingly clear he may not know what time it is.
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I was hating the play.
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Time?
Miller time for Kings fans, make games more interesting
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by Wrath of Kyle on Dec 28, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
It's all about High Life bro. Dontcha know?
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below the cap
kings had some great expensive players before, sometimes you end up paying for a long time. kinsg haven’t handed out big contracts in a while. they have a lot green. use it
by manassamauler on Dec 28, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
you know they haven't handed them out in a while because they were still under the old ones you are referencing right?
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
On whom, precisely, should they use their "green"?
It’s easy to say SPEND! but what’s the plan?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 28, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
It's called rebuilding
and it’s apparently not for everyone.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
(sigh)
The Maloofs have shown that they are willing to spend plenty in salaries and luxury tax for the right talent that will have a shot at the title.
At least do a little homework into a team’s history before you expound upon what they need to do to build for the future.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 28, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
when did they lats show that?
? chris webber? martin?yeah
by manassamauler on Dec 28, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Martin is in the 3rd year of his contract by the way
and just letting you know, there is this thing called the Collective Bargaining Agreement that places a soft cap on salaries.
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
I would give him a little room on this if he brought up the recent hits the Maloofs have potentially taken financially
but … yeah
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
How bout
Kings: Yao & Hill/Patterson
Rockets: Sam & Landry
I'd love to get one of them.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 28, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
how about
the kings just move landry and dalembert for a high quality veteran SHOOTER and another big man.
Yao Ming and Dell Curry.
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by pookeyguru on Dec 28, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
good luck
have fun with the blog, you guys are a little sensitive and with all of your knowlege the kings will be winning nba titles in no time. i wont waste any more time on you here.. HERE WE RISE!!!
Can't we all just get along?
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by Wrath of Kyle on Dec 28, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
don't take it personal if people question your thoughts and opinions
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
...or lack thereof.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 28, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Don't blame us -
Ziller refuses to spend anything on this blog. They spent $25 million more at GSoM, and look at how much better there blog is.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 19 recs
I'm the only rec?
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 28, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
No 7 other people agreed with you.
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Took a while.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 29, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
That cheap bastard
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Good luck with the maulings.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 28, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
If we can net a draft pick or two in addition to Brooks for Landry and Dalembert
I’m actually in favor of this trade.
we'd be lucky to get Brooks
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
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Brooks is a long shot
too valuable a piece for Rockets.
A more conceivable scenario would be landing Courtney Lee or Patrick Patterson in Sammy-Yao deal.
Straight up Sammy for Yao to save $2 million would be total bulls*ht.
I could live with this although in some respects I think it would be worth keeping Sammy to see how he & Cuz progress together as the season moves along.
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Unfortunately I think we have seen a lot of what we are going to see from Sammy
though between now and trade deadline he needs to get his FG% closer to his career average (currently 41% vs. 52%) to boost his trade value and show other teams he still has semblance of offensive skill.
I see Sammy as highly expendable. No leadership, not the difference maker we hoped for. If Whiteside shows progress, he gets penciled into rotation next year, and may as well get front court minutes in second half of this season. A younger, cheaper defensive presence with more offensive potential.
by bench_blob on Dec 28, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This Yao idea is bad for the kings
Cuz is a young, raw talent and the Rockets know it. Sure they would like to unload their damaged star who is basically done. Yao is an albatross hanging around the rockets necks.
Plus even a healthy Yao is not what the Kings need
They need veteran team leadership for those rookies. Yao is a veteran but not a team leader.
Ummm you realize that Cuz isn't being discussed in this deal right?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Read it again.
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That's insultingly bad
At least offer to take Beno and Garcia’s contract from us while adding Brooks, Lee and Hill to the deal.
lol Petrie’s response to Morey should have been, “Really Darryl? Really? Do I look like Chris Wallace here after giving up Kevin Martin?” Morey responds, “Wasn’t Martin a Grizzly last year?”
I never liked him as an analyst
He assumes too much and sometimes he either makes stuff up or believes whatever people tell him.
Anyways, back to the trade, I say no 100 times. And judging by all the posts here I’d say a good majority of you share my opinion.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 28, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
if you have two or three independent sources telling you the same thing then you might just report it regardless of how one sided it sounds
heck technically we don’t have a ton of insight into how these things go down and there have been some historically dumb trades before
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 29, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
They want Reke too
What they really want is Gasol for a bird in the hand.
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by bignerd on Dec 28, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why not save a couple million
My first thought when the rumor surfaced about Yao, was that the Kings could ship Dalembert to Houston and end up saving a millions of dollars. So if I owned the franchise, would I do it?
Yes.
Dalembert is making us appreciably better and if I could save money by swapping two expiring deals I would do it in a heartbeat.
If I could add a player or two to the mix and get a PG? Then absolutely I would do it…but then again I am not a GM…so as a fan I would love to get a long term young solution at PG or the 2 in return for swapping expiring deals that were never going to be a part of my long term rebuild plan anyway.
If it gets done, I wouldn’t have any problem with it…especially if it meant more consistent minutes for our young bigs to help them develop.
Nostra Dumass Foretells
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27jpejy
Kings
In- Baron Davis, Aaron Brooks
Out- Cisco, Beno
Rockets
In- Kaman, Landry, Cisco
Out- Yao, Brooks
Clippers
In- Yao, Beno
Out- Davis, Kaman
Salaries are all about break even. Kings get veteran playmaker and ball handler along with long coveted ABrooks. BD’s long term salary is a wash with Cisco and Beno out and we don’t have to give up Cousins or expiring Sammy D contract. Rockets get top 5 center when healthy for the future in addition to landing Carl back. Cisco provides veteren backup at wing positions and teams back up with Kmart and Adelman. Clipps save a butt load of money by ridding themselves of BD and Kaman’s contract. They will go for Caron Butler or Tony Parker next year. Beno provides filler at pg position while Bledsoe matures(word is Beno has at least 1 fan in the Clipps org). Small adjustments can be made to satisfy all parties.
You lost me at "In- Baron Davis"
No way I want to see that blue-flu bastard in a Kings uni.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Plus 100
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
not a big BD fan either but...
i would argue for him on the basis that we are not losing much by swapping salaries with beno and cisco whom aren’t essential to the team and he does provide something we severely lack at the PG position. It’s a small price to pay to get Aaron Brooks from Houston who gets the priviledge of dumping him(BD) on us instead of taking him in a straight deal with LAC.
I'd rather have Beno
He’s been one of the few bright spots this season. I’d much rather have him than have to watch Baron Davis sulk through a bad situation.
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by Exhibit G on Dec 28, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If only he'd quit forgetting to play defense
he’d be a much brighter spot
When's the last time you saw Baron play D?
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My issue with Davis
is that he quit on his New Orleans team, forcing the franchise to literally give him away (Vince Carter did the same thing to Toronto). He’s almost 32, and I’m willing to bet that he doesn’t see the north side of 60 games played for any of his remaining seasons. Pass.
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You forgot Landry
So the Kings trade Landry, Cisco and Beno for Brooks and Baron Davis?
No thanks.
you're right
I did forget Landry. I know we’ll all miss his 5 rebounds per game at the PF position. All kidding aside, I do love Landry as an efficient player and person, but I think he’ll most likely be gone after this season anyways. I don’t believe there are any bird rights there and he’d have to be cukoo to resign with the Kings after this season’s performance.
Trade? Why trade? This is going great! New coach? Why? PW is doing 'great'!
Don’t trade anyone! If we keep this up we can win it all and I am talking about the number one pick if the balls roll right!
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No No No!
Anybody but Baron Davis please. The guy sulks more than most of the fans here (haha just kidding – mostly). I don’t think he would be happy being in another rebuilding situation. As for the veteran presence argument, I would dare to say that Cisco and Beno have a better veteran presence than him. Besides he would only add to our defensive woes since he doesn’t seem to wanna try at that end.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 28, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
Veterands Please!
Trade bait:
Cisco, Sam, JT, Head, Jeter,
We need verteran. No more youngsters unless they are good.
oh, well when you put it that way
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
I don't disagree.
The team doesn’t need any more draft picks, aside from as trade bait to sweeten a deal to get someone with legit leadership skills, and all-star talent.
At the moment, Landry and Dalembert will be tempting enough for teams in need of scoring/rebounding without having to go crazy and throw in Luther Head.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Dec 28, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What do you think that we might haul into the boat
with that bait?
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He’ll say “Michael Jordan”
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 28, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
More likely "Michal Jorderands"
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by Holmdel on Dec 28, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Why is Denver not brought up in any of these scenarios.
Isn’t the real big fish left out there Carmelo? Seems that if Denver were really to blow up then he is likely an asset many would pursue. Along with Billups.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Totally pointless
If Melo doesn’t want to stay in Denver, where he nearly went to the finals, he ain’t coming to Sac. Billups would be awesome.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
That is what I am thinking.
Could the Kings play middle partner to a Carmelo trade, some combination of Yao/other assets, and gets Billups out of the deal…
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
nuggets
i think there is something to including the nuggets, but not involving Carmelo….. Yao to Nuggets, Billups to Sac, Dalembert and Balkman to Houston. Starts the ball rolling for the Nuggets by saving them a ton of money once they blow it up by trading Carmello in February.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Dec 28, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
I am not saying there is anyway we want/get him, but as a third wheel to a trade there may be something possible...
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I agree with what TZ said
To Houston:
Dalembert, Thompson
To Sac:
Ming, Brooks
Seems like a fair deal. I think Ming would be a wonderful mentor to our big men, the time he spends here. Houston might pull the trigger with Dalembert included, since he has some + trade value for Houston. Kings shred salary, get Petrie’s coveted player in Brooks, Whiteside gets more minutes, Houston gets its big men. I think it’s a win-win.
F that
They can have Landry back. JT is stayin here…
You hit the nail on the head
bright “spots.” He is very volatile, Until he is more consistant, he his trade bait.
How did Thompson get lumped into this?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
He was mentioned in the original article
“Now consider that the Kings could save even more by sending other players out (including either Jason Thompson or Carl Landry) or could leverage Dalembert and an interest in Yao’s contract into a larger trade to bring in a young point guard (like Aaron Brooks or D.J. Augustin).”
So you wanna give up two of our big men
Thin up the frontcourt without getting any frontcourt players back, while giving up a nice young big in JT? If you are gonna trade like this, I think it would be better if we got more out of it.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 28, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just so against this.
I don’t care about the Kings saving any more cash. We the Oakland A’s of basketball or something?
Everybody is a Maloof wannabe
Who cares if we saving a couple of mil? How about we have a respectable team for a change? How does any of this make the Kings a better basketball team? I could give a crap about the Maloof’s bank account.
In most cases, I would agree with you
However, the solvency of the brothers Maloof may have a direct correlation to how long they can wait for the stadium issue to get worked out in Sacramento. If saving a few million here and a few million there buys them time, count me in.
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Bottom Line
No All-Star would want to come here willingly. We are a terrible team and it’s Sacramento. What are we known for? The Sacraemnto river? We need to trade players to get a player and hope we get better in the future. Melo will never come here willingly.
We have Tyreke and Cousins who are young and need guidance. A 20 year old sophmore can never be a leader. He needs experience and age. Let’s surround them with experience and respectable vets; a Grant Hill-like, Vince Carter-like that are willing to to build a team. That’s really who I want on our team. Of course, it’s nice to be in the lottery and get a top 10 pick, but what these top 10 picks lack is experience. Cousins, Evans, and Casspi are all we need for youth. Let’s get 3 or 4 consistant vets to help mold and change this losing culture because they know what it takes to win.
Ok who would you consider?
And who would you give up to get them?
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by raiderking21 on Dec 28, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
If saving a few million here and a few million there buys them time, count me in.
If that’s true then count me in.
I’m just not sure that it is true.
Are you?
There is certainly no way of knowing
They could use the money for moving vans, in which case I would be pissed.
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This fight on Twitter between Ziller and Peaches is fascinating.
"That's like Swede on Swede violence."-Randy Hahn
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
In the sense that a college professor outwitting a fetus is fascinating.
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Which I will eat.
No
In a sense that I’ve never seen Ziller that angry before.
"That's like Swede on Swede violence."-Randy Hahn
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
Well, I guess I'm the only one that is shelling out for pay-per-view to see Cornel West vs yet-to-be-named Wilson child on New Year's Eve.
Little known fact: Mrs. Wilson’s womb is shaped like an octagon.
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Is the Octagon surrounded by a cage?
"That's like Swede on Swede violence."-Randy Hahn
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
Yes. Front 3 rows should bring a tarp.
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Which I will eat.
And a camera?
"That's like Swede on Swede violence."-Randy Hahn
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
12 cameras, all super slo-mo/HD/ultrasound
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Should I wear a Tap-Out shirt?
"That's like Swede on Swede violence."-Randy Hahn
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
In this case, it's Tap-Outie, and yes.
Prepare to be fully dilated.
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by andy sims on Dec 28, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm totally lost, but I'm entertained.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 28, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
I'm a twit,
but I don’t tweet. I’d love details if you have them.
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They're arguing over Reke's foot
teamziller Tom Ziller
Yet you’re on the radio RIGHT NOW speculating about treatment RT @GrantNapearShow Don’t know anything about Tyrekes foot…never said I did!
teamziller Tom Ziller
It’s like when @GrantNapearShow thought K-Mart was soft for sitting with a broken wrist. Grant knew it wasn’t REALLY broken. #smokescreen
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"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
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I guess with the updated site rules,
Tom has taken player hatin’ to Twitter.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
It's okay to snark in less than 140 characters.
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Which I will eat.
Bold prediction
Tomorrow Ziller has a Fanpost up about how StR is just a groupthink good ‘ol boys club full of losers who couldn’t dig out of Geoff Petrie’s ass with a backhoe.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 28, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Ziller tearing Peaches a new butthole
It’s pretty funny to read
Hilarious
but fascinating that Grant only has 941 followers, being that he is a television and radio personality in a market the size of NorCal.
Who wants to follow him?
Bet most of those followers are spammers/family members/extreme loners.
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"- Qui-Gon Jinn
For Social Media though
It is really a shockingly low number. My nephew has more followers than that and he is a bit dim.
As much as he insults his callers? Beyond a bit dim really.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Looks like
you got him 10 followers. Good Job Mike!
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"- Qui-Gon Jinn
Mike is right.
Tom has at least twice that many if not more.
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A bit funny
But also a bit frustrating too. Peaches isn’t going to see eye to eye with Ziller so I don’t really see the point of arguing anymore. Grant’s crew should just do their thing and our crew do our thing and just keep apart. It’s not like we have to fight for converts to the I Hate Peaches club. He could probably drive membership up on his own. At some point it starts to seem a bit petty, regardless of how right I think Ziller is.
I think it is pretty cool.
Grant needs to know that there are people out there that know enough to call him on his BS. And that are willing to do it.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
This is what I was gonna say
If he’s going to talk shit now there’s a medium where he’s gonna need to back it up or he’ll get called out on it.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Without having a dump button,
it’d be like him taking a knife to a gun fight.
Purveyor of Bull Plop
I get that
But I guess I just like it better when Ziller does it through well-worded articles rather than 140 character shots. Maybe that’s down to my perception of Twitter (don’t get me wrong I’m a user but I still can’t get over the fluffy stigma it has in my mind), but the blog posts let Ziller expand a bit more, which I think really helps his arguments come across. This Twitter fight just seems more like the cool kid stepping up to the bully in the school yard.
My favorite
Peaches trying to comeback at TZ: “No. I thought I’d impersonate you today and act like I have no cleu what the hell I’m talking about!!”
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Yeah. That’s funny stuff.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Another Trade with Houston?
Haven’t we learned our lesson yet?
Perhaps we could just trade coaches.
by convoy on Dec 28, 2010 4:02 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
As for Yao
If the Kings trade Dalembert for Yao and can save money, then they have to do it.
"That's like Swede on Swede violence."-Randy Hahn
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
If they get no useful player back, there will be a shitstorm, economic sense be damned.
I’m not saying I don’t get it, I just think there has to be more than just thrift, the fanbase needs something.
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I see your point
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"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
I'm guessing that there must be around 500 comments in this thread right now and will probably at around 7-800 comments
no doubt many well thought out and stated comments, most certainly expressing strong emotions. I haven’t had a chance to range the net yet but is this potential trade for Yao a certainty or close to a done deal? I have no doubts that TZ has great freaking sources but is this deal getting set to close any time soon? Just asking?
To the poster who was capping on Cuz based on how he was shown up by Blake Griffin in last nights game. Please remember this before you condemn DMC to the trash heap. Griffin played two years in college and sat out last year watching his team play, learning the ropes, buying donuts and wearing a funky backpack for the vets and learning first hand about the NBA in a fairly low pressure setting. Griffin is going to be a beast no doubt, but he is also has 2 years more experience then Cuz does. They may both be rookies but are coming from very different places.
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by Bluejohn on Dec 28, 2010 4:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If a deal happens, it could still be some time away.
Not sure if Houston knows exactly how it wants to proceed yet, and should Charlotte be involved, I’d guess there’s still some philosophical sorting out going on after the coaching change.
We can yank the lanyard at any time,one of the joys of being pretty much out of it.
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by andy sims on Dec 28, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"...yank the lanyard..."
That has to be against site rules. Don’t go away, I’ll be back in a few minutes.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
section214: Try our pre-yanked lanyards!
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"G, There's a little known codicil in the StR charter -
which gives site moderaters unlimited power to preserve order in times of site emergency.
Find me a way to revoke Sim’s membership. Put Aykis on it – he’s a sneaky little sh*t just like you.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Seems that Sims has yanked your lanyard.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
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Andy Sims...
zero-point-zero.
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by section214 on Dec 28, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would be mad if anybody yanked my lanyard.
That is except my wife. She has express and pre-approved lanyard status.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
But Section
Sims has been on double-secret probation for months now…
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
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by Exhibit G on Dec 29, 2010 6:50 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Double-secret rec'd
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by andy sims on Dec 28, 2010 4:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Fat, drunk, and reply-failing is no way to go through life, son.
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by andy sims on Dec 28, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Trade Yao to the Bejing Ducks for
Steve Francis.
by Rumskee on Dec 28, 2010 4:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Thinking about GW brought home to me how inexperienced our team is.
GW was a mistake waiting to happen back then. A walking inefficiency in our otherwise well-oiled machine.
Now, take rookie GW, put him in our starting lineup, with two other sophomores and other newbies, and no wonder we suck.
It makes me wonder, maybe Reke, Cuz and 2011 top-4 pick are all the kids we can afford to have in our rotation at one time. Maybe we’ve got to cut both Casspi and Donte loose and surround the three core kids with veterans. Otherwise, we risk losing Reke when his contract is up.
Put another way, other than the ongoing miracle that is Kevin Durant and the Thunder, has there ever been a team that succeeded with more than 3 very young core players? Has there ever been a team that succeeded with even 3?
Maybe the real bold move is to pick two of the 3, and trade the 3rd plus Donte, Casspi, JT, etc., for the best veterans we can add to those two young studs.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Dec 28, 2010 5:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, we're young enough, and at some point, some assets will need to be moved.
Who will go and for which players is the source of a whole other debate, but one which will likely need to be waded through.
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I worry about repeating what happened with the Elton Brand-Tyson Chandler-Eddy Curry 1999-2001 Bulls, and don't
want us to repeat that rebuild-isaster.
Fortunately, we’ve already avoided drafting Eddy Curry. But we still risk overloading on kids and losing them all to other teams as they reach their primes.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
the funny thing is
Brand turned into Chandler which turned into Ben Wallace
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 28, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
oh, you're right, Brand was traded for Chandler...I was remembering them together
…but by the time Chandler “turned into” Ben Wallace, Ben Wallace had “turned into” Mark Madsen.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Did anyone notice that Cousins - not Dalembert or Landry - was mentioned as Houston's target in trades with the Kings?
That should signal that Houston is after more than just one-year rentals. If Houston trades Yao (which seems likely at this point), then it will be to acquire some asset(s) to improve the team long-term. I don’t think anyone on the Kings roster that we’d be willing to part with for Yao fits that bill.
They have an immediate problem that requires an immediate solution.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
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by Slam_Dunk on Dec 28, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes they do, but I'm betting they can find a much better solution to that problem than renting Dalembert for one year.
Morey has been pretty consistent about making moves to acquire assets. Cousins may be setting their sights too high, but they’ll find some cash-strapped team to give them a useful player for Yao.
Feigen also mentioned that Houston wasn't going to be able to get Cuz.
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I saw that too, but I thought it meant Morey was moving on to the next team to try to acquire young talent
Not that he would want a one-year rental of a Center with the lowest TS% in the league instead.
http://www.hoopdata.com/advancedstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=%25&yr=2011&gp=20&mins=20
For the record, I don’t think Houston is going to get much for Yao, but they should be able to get at least something that will be useful next year. I don’t think the Kings can (or should) give them that.
Trade thought
Dalembert+Landry+Donte for Yao+Brooks+ Lee
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2g8yqq8
or without lee
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28hxo5v
Yao won't help the team
I think it’s sad the Kings have been the worst team in the NBA over the last three years and there is no sense of urgency to make trades that actually benefit the team as a whole. With every one of Petrie’s trade we get worse.
Houston already has Kevin Martin who could be helping us alot right now with his .443 – 3 point percentage. Now we want trade away Dalembert for an injured center who’s career may well be over and some cash savings?
Also Westphal has failed to make this team any better and is about as good at develpoing the young talent on our team as Singletary was at coaching quarterbacks. The Maloofs are taking Sacramento for long ride down a deserted country road for some good old fashioned hilbilly fun.
"People are on to us right now. They're got our number. We have to regroup and start doing something a little more different. I'm not saying we're predictable, but when you've got the opponent out there calling out plays, and they know what's coming, then we've got a problem. They know what plays we're calling. They pretty much know what routes we're running. They pretty much have us down right now." -
-- Jerry Rice
Not in favor of this
I realize Dalembert is not Kareem, but he does provide defense. He is a weird player with a skill set that is somewhat unique in this league. In a way he reminds me of Kirilenko, who often comes up with steals and blocks but doesn’t put much else up in the box score. He did well against Griffin and he and Cousins were a good combination. I say let’s keep those skills. We have a ton of cap space. Do we really need more? Is that what’s going to turn it around for the Kings? What pisses me off is Westphal and Petrie come up with these great ideas, ditching Kevin Martin for Landry to improve the front court. Then they trade for Dalembert and choose Cousins and Whiteside, and they still can’t win. I don’t see how this trade helps things. It would be easier if Westphal used the players in a way that accentuates their skills. Those bigs should be crashing boards on every possession and get some easy put backs.
by boredwiththeUSA on Dec 28, 2010 7:24 PM PST reply actions
Do you realize Dalembert and Ladry will most likely not sign with the Kings next year?
With or without them this team will continue to lose and DMC and Whiteside will play good minutes next year without learning anything from this year because of riding the bench.
"I’d insult you, but the sad truth is that you wouldn’t understand and if I tried to explain it to you, your brain might implode from information overload."
What does Houston expect?
They had a poll on NBA.com asking whether or not people thought that Yao would ever play in the league again. We’re supposed to give up young talent for a DNP?
I wouldn't have predicted it
but somehow this thread has become an instant classic.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 28, 2010 9:16 PM PST reply actions
Yeah kind of a surprise
But that’s what’s bound to happen when there is an article posted about trading our promising big, and/or trading for $2 mil in cap when we are already well under the cap.
Usually stories that don’t really make sense are those that become classics. Or maybe I’m just watching to much TV and I’m looking into this too much.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 28, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
I think your assessment is a good one.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 28, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you
I got headache coming up with that assessment, but worth if I made a good point for once :P
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by raiderking21 on Dec 28, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Just curious
If we facilitated a three way deal involving Yao, Landry, and Dalembert, what would our possibilities be? What would be the value we could get in return for something like this?
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As has been mentioned, I think it would be involving a team looking to dump contracts, talent be damned.
Charlotte is the hot name on that list right now, but I’m sure there’s others. Teams that are looking to mix things up, head a different direction, or start/continue a tear-down. That team would be the one taking Yao’s massive, partially paid expiring contract, the Kings would be the team absorbing the players without expiring deals (because Houston wouldn’t be wanting to take on much salary to deal Yao). A Gerald Wallace-type deal is totally feasible here since he’s a good player that Charlotte really has no use for in their current state and would be happy to not have to pay him. There’s other potential teams/players out there, but I’ll let the guys that pay more attention to that stuff than me throw those out there. Or, there’s probably a lot of that in LTTG’s “Asinine Trade Thread”. In any case, it would be a good player with a fairly big deal like Wallace, or a not-so-good player with a big deal and a rather promising young player attached to get us to take him.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 28, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Amick has posted a big no on this
so the thing with Ming being a King was just a fling with a familiar ring that had no wings to take flight. Ding ding ding…conversation is over.
There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.
by ElRonToro on Dec 29, 2010 12:22 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
You've got to be shitting
me.
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Which I will eat.
My bad ...Jason Jones
http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2010/12/yao-not-in-the.html
and as you knows Mr. Sims around here we would say Poohing you.
btw you’ve been on top of your game lately. very appreciated. thanks.
There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Ah, this makes sense
And it only took 500+ comments.
by Charlieb on Dec 29, 2010 5:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
And me calling the Maloof's a different kind of Donald Sterling.
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big picture
the Maloofs do need money and just b/c the Kings have the lowest payroll doesn’t mean they won’t get it lower if they can given the results of the team that’s currently on the floor …
If they can dump Landry and/or Beno to a contender, they’ll do it and play whoever’s healthy in their place
Getting a good young player out of Dally’s expiring would be a smart move, or possibly taking on a quality vet who plays hard & can teach the young guys how to win.
I don't believe that they can go lower
without falling below the minimum cap, for which they pay a penalty and forfeit any luxury tax revenues generated by other teams. Trading out longer term contract can be done, but they need to finish the season somewhere around $43,500,000 for salary this year (currently at $43,807,677 according to ShamSports).
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good point
so maybe net-net the player(s) they take back will be at slightly higher salaries, but they dump 2-3 players (and I think Beno, Landry, JT and Dally are the prime candidates) to get back 1 young playa (w/ potential) and 1 higher priced vet that fills one of many needs.
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