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Clippers 98, Kings 91: Bland Finale

The Kings trailed by 16 after three quarters, to the Los Angeles Clippers, that is Clippers, not Lakers or even Sparks. The freaking Clippers, again.

But the Kings came back! And led by four! With the 2:45 left in the game, following a big swaggerific Tyreke Evans three, the Kings had a four-point lead at 91-87.

Star-divide

Here's what happened from there.

  • After good ball movement, Ryan Gomes hit a pretty nice (and reasonably well-defended) long two-point jumper. 91-89 Kings.
  • Pooh Jeter enters the ball to DeMarcus Cousins on the left block. Cousins spins baseline, slips through the double-team and puts up a reverse lay-up that doesn't touch the rim while staring at a completely wide-open and very hot Omri Casspi in the corner. Cousins claims he was hit in the face, and very likely was. Clippers ball.
  • Eric Gordon gets a high screen from Blake Griffin. Evans fights over it, but Gordon has a half-step. Carl Landry's help is late, and Gordon manages to hang in the air to hit a pretty tough lay-up. 91-91.
  • Evans calls for a high screen from Cousins, left elbow extended. Gordon gives Evans loads of space, and 'Reke pulls up for a three. It misses, and though Griffin has boxed out Landry, the long rebound bounces off a Clipper and out of bounds. Replay reveals that Cousins was giving DeAndre Jordan some trouble by being active in the lane. Kings ball with a new shot clock.
  • After some failed attempts to get Landry set up on the left block, Cousins establishes position, and Jeter makes a successful entry pass. Griffin is defending. Cousins faces up, and goes baseline. He get under the backboard and tries to fade into the middle and lay it in with his right. Nine of out 10 of those drop. This one did not. Griffin rebounds. Clipper ball, 91-91, one minute left.
  • Jordan sets a decent screen on Evans, who wasn't expecting it. Gordon is freed up for an open three on the left elbow. Swish. 94-91 Clippers.
  • Evans and Jeter decide not to attempt entry passes to Cousins and Landry, respectively. Jeter takes a contested spot-up three with 12 seconds on the shot clock. Miss. Clippers rebound. Casspi fouls intentionally, and mistakenly. That was the Kings' foul to give. About 27 seconds left.
  • After 10 seconds of Gordon huddled near midcourt, Evans, for some reason, fouls Gordon when the Clipper easily breaks the trap. It makes no sense, and Gordon hits two free throws. 96-91 Clippers.
  • The Kings put all their shooters on the floor, and Jeter ... drives to the rim. Gordon strips Jeter, and the ball goes out of bounds off Jeter. Game (essentially) over.

It's a frustrating loss, because the Kings shouldn't be falling behind by 16 to a team like the Clippers. And, you know, defensive concessions like this should result in massive fines:

But it's not surprising, and not soul-crushing. The Kings lost. This is not new behavior. Cousins played well, we know Tyreke is better than what he's shown this season, and the team's brightest days are ahead. Way ahead? Perhaps. But ahead. This is not what we're waiting for. This is all we've got tonight, but this is not what we're waiting for. Breathe, breathe again, and look forward to winning days.

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PW gets lambasted for his lineup changes

but you’ve got to tinker until you find something that works. The DMC move to the starting five seems like a keeper. DMC will get better, and as he does, our offense will get better, more diverse, more efficient.

Jeter was good enough tonight to warrant some more opportunities, but we won’t know if he’s a keeper for a while. Same with Casspi tonight. Looked real good.

The lineup changes may be frustrating to some people, but this is an incredibly hard-to-figure team.

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Dec 7, 2010 7:00 AM PST reply actions  

I disagree

PW has made some horrible moves with the rotation and with who he starts. It shouldn’t have taken 17 games into the season to figure out that this lineup works the best. It shouldn’t have taken starting Antoine Wright and Luther Head. It shouldn’t have taken playing JT at small forward. It shouldn’t have taken giving Tyreke the ball in a half court set and not letting hom bring it up the floor. I agree that there is some figuring out to do with this team, but PW really made some bad decisions along the way.

ailene voisin is wack!

by Bambooozled on Dec 7, 2010 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Jeter might not be a keeper

But I think what he has shown us is that someone who can get us into our offense quickly and efficiently is needed.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 7, 2010 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Jeter IS a keeper

in my opinion. He reminds me a lot of a young Bobby Jackson and is affordable. I say we keep him for sure.

I was uncool before it was cool

by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

sergio

was something like a Pooh Jeter +. I totally agree, same type of game, a little more polished

"Good Luck"

by TheFifthMookie on Dec 7, 2010 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

obligatory

“you can polish a turd” joke here

"Good Luck"

by TheFifthMookie on Dec 7, 2010 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah I wish he had more of a shot last year

but then again, he does come off like a little punk who would have left the league either way

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

There is a reason Sergio is in Spain right now.

Just saying.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah because he gets to actually play there

He never really got a fair chance in the NBA in my opinion. He could’ve been one of the better backup point guards/middling starters if given the opportunity.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 7, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Not feeling the Sergio love. Never did actually.

I like Pooh because I have a feeling that he’ll accept his 10-15 minutes a night in a way Sergio will never accept.

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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

For saying “I like Pooh”.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Well at least your honest with your rec's.

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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

He always irritated me, personally.

Seemed like the turnover King even though the stats don’t show it like that. Just seemed like every time we needed to be in control, he wouldn’t be in control.

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Dec 7, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah Sergio had the knack of killing all his effectiveness trying to make the big play and get on the highlight reel.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Right. It's only one game.

However, Casspi did play well with Jeter running. I’d be looking to see how Casspi does with Jeter in the second string situations.

I was thinking Tyreke is the starting PG, but he’s getting defense thrown in his face no matter what position he plays. He should distribute more, but that’s something he’s not used to doing.

One of the fantasy analysts had JT as a 15-10 guy now he’s starting. LOL. JT could be on the bench next game under Westphal. One thing Westphal has to do is take responsibility for starting Head and others and the Kings still losing. He’s doing the lineup juggling, but the Kings continue to lose. It could be that he’s lost some of the players and they’re not playing hard on every play. How else do you explain the opposition not being guarded and being left wide open?

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Dec 7, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh they're playing hard

They are just so bad on defense positionally that someone ends up rotating late to the open shot.

"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds

by kingsfan300 on Dec 7, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm more concerned about the 2nd and 3rd Quarters

than the 4th lack of poise at the end of the game. I’m sure they are forcing it in the end because of the losing streak.

by markdog333 on Dec 7, 2010 7:01 AM PST reply actions  

Agree with mark.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Are all 1 handed dunks tomahawks now?

I thought you had to pull the ball back behind your head for it to be a tomahawk. Now they call everything a tomahawk it seems.

by markdog333 on Dec 7, 2010 7:04 AM PST reply actions  

This stood out to me
puts up a reverse lay-up that doesn’t touch the rim while staring at a completely wide-open and very hot Omri Casspi in the corner.

Casspi had 8 points and 4 rebounds during the first seven minutes of the final quarter. He didn’t get another shot until he launched a meaningless 3 about five seconds before the end of the game. I guess going with the hot hand doesn’t make much sense.

And 3 rebounds for Landry in 34 minutes, that’s pathetic. I hope we trade him soon before he walks away and leaves us empty-handed.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Dec 7, 2010 7:17 AM PST reply actions  

Pooh had more rebounds in half as many minutes!

Not to mention the fact that he’s a foot shorter and a pg to boot.

by outrider on Dec 7, 2010 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess

Landry was boxing out so Casspi could grab all these rebounds.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Dec 7, 2010 7:48 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

In the last 2 games

Landry has 3 boards (all O boards) in 62 minutes…

by outrider on Dec 7, 2010 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Unfair
And 3 rebounds for Landry in 34 minutes, that’s pathetic. I hope we trade him soon before he walks away and leaves us empty-handed.

As a team we won the rebounding battle. Carl’s rebounding is bad, true. But point to me one play where he clearly should have boarded and did not. As long as Sammy D and Cuz are there to clean the defensive boards, and better at it, all he needs to do is box out, and get boards in his area. He does a decent job of that. There are a number of reasons we are losing, but 3 boards by Landry last night is far from top of list.

Jason Thompson was painful too watch. Dumb fouls. Spin moves directly into defenders for offensive fouls. Driving into the defense, losing balance, hoping for a foul. On one play that will not show up in the box score, Beno was driving the left side and left a drop pass to JT that he just watched sail to nowhere. Just a mindless play. This type of BS is why the Kings are 4-15.

I am not happy with the play of Landry either, but at least he scored 15 points on a night we could only score 91. JT’s biggest impact of late was 19/10 when we lost by 33 points, and thats no impact at all.

As far as a trade of Carl, who will want to give value for an UFA? Highly unlikely.

I predict JT puts up 7 and 5 this year - Aug '10. (Current: 6.0 Pts 5 Rebs)

by bench_blob on Dec 7, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

You think Jason is painful to watch?

It is not ten percent as painful as watching toe defend Carl Landry’s absolutely atrocious rebounding. You are in serious Cool Cat/Kevin Martin territory with your JT obsession. Is it really your contention that it doesn’t matter if Landry gets any defensive rebounds as long as Sammy or Cuz us in the game? Wow. Our team is better with JT on the floor. He is an infinitely better rebounder, plays much better defense (Carl can’t defend a pick and roll and is an awful help defender), and Carl is a black hole on offense, if he touches it, he is going to try and score. JT can swing the ball and at least tries to help the team.

by MichaelMack on Dec 7, 2010 9:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I too am a little perplexed about bench_blob's JT obsession but I would disagree with a lot of this.

Is it really your contention that it doesn’t matter if Landry gets any defensive rebounds as long as Sammy or Cuz us in the game? Wow.

Pretty sure that is not his contention. I think he is echoing something Westphal said earlier this year.

LINK

plays much better defense (Carl can’t defend a pick and roll and is an awful help defender), and Carl is a black hole on offense, if he touches it, he is going to try and score

Just letting you know, Carl is rocking a 106 ORtg and a 106 DRtg while Thompson is at 103 ORtg and a 110 DRtg. Sorry but Jason has never shown he is a much better defensive player and I would rather take Landry on the offensive end of the court than JT, black hole or not.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

To be fair

A significant portion of Jason’s numbers were acquired early in the year when he was being shoved into a round hole at the three.

I don’t know if anyone can check the numbers for the last 10 games, but I’d bet Thompson looks much better compared with Top Hat.

And I just checked the numbers at BBall Reference – it shows Carl at 105/113 on the season, so I’m not sure where you got 106/106.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

basketball-reference.com

and now I got the same numbers you did. I must have typed in the wrong name or something.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

no I wasn't

kind of pissed I haven’t figured out what the hell I did wrong

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I appreciate your amideration

But in his own words, he said as long as there are other players take responsibility to rebound, it doesn’t matter if Carl gets any. I can’t imagine the rant he would go on if JT played 62 min in two games, close games that we lost, and had zero defensive rebounds. Zero. Of course that is a big deal, I think we would be hard pressed to find another PF in the league who has done that this season. Yet BB thinks that doesn’t matter, but us flabbergasted at a bad spin move that JT made. Utterly ridiculous.

by MichaelMack on Dec 7, 2010 10:06 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Otis pointed it out already

but I botched the raings on Landry. No clue what happened.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Landry's body of work indicates he will improve on his current numbers

I think all of these guys have been caught in this storm of uncertainty on rotations/roles.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

wait

how did I get a rec when I completely fucked up the Landry and JT ratings part?

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Cuz I'm not that picky.

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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

TTWS

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Dec 7, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm confused by this statement.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he meant

pricky

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha.

I knew somebody would be able to explain it. Thanks.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Love you anyway man! :)

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Dec 7, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not mad MBS. LOL

I just didn’t get it.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Life is unfair

as a Kings fan, you should know by now.

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Dec 7, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

If Tyreke had a 2009-10 average shooting night with

9/19 instead of 5/19, guess who would have won.

Ofc there are plenty of factors we can put the blame on but Tyreke’s bad percentage yesterday (and generally this season) is one of the most important.

by ZenBaller on Dec 7, 2010 7:18 AM PST reply actions  

Walton and defense

     After listening to Walton last night (way to many times I might add), I beginning to figure out why we suck on defense. I found his comments most interesting near the end of the 2nd quarter. The two that stuck out was Evans “sloppily” going out to cover a 3 point shot only to overshoot the offensive player and have the player then take the ball to the rim. The other one was Beno double teaming another Clipper behind the 3 point line who does not shoot 3 point shots only to have Gordon rotate left and bury a 3 with about 10 seconds to go in the half. Walton asked why Beno was went over there and double team that player? I watched that play a few different times and wondered why the hell Beno went over there too.
      I then asked myself that if this happened a few times in this game that I saw (in a span of a few minutes) , then it had to be happening all season. Now wonder our perimter defense sucks. Another play was Gordon taking the ball out of bounds after a Kings basket only to drive to the right hand side of the key for a right handed layup. I think Walton said this was “unacceptable, inexcusable, and please.”
     Althought Walton can be very negative (when your record sucks it ain’t hard), I found all his comments insightful and painfully true.
      And then JIm L. the assistant coach comes on at halftime and blames the offense for our poor defense and I thought what the hell?? No Jim, our defense just sucks.
      Completely disheartening. Who does Draft Express have us picking??

by noreboundsnorings on Dec 7, 2010 7:29 AM PST reply actions  

It's official...

we are now the worst team in the league. I am at a loss to understand how we came to be the league’s doormat. With our personnel we should be better (okay, maybe just a little better) than this.

Our defense sucks, our offense sucks, our coach sucks and our ownership sucks.

Ok, now I feel somewhat better that I have that off my chest. What’s the next step?

Purveyor of Bull Plop

by SayWhat? on Dec 7, 2010 7:33 AM PST reply actions  

I couldn't decide;

Which was worse. Offense or defense?
How many times did we see everyone standing around while the person with the ball got triple teamed? Even when there is movement it just looks like they’re all dragging their feet.
I don’t think the defense on the outside is that bad, but I swear teams can walk into the key and still score on the Kings. Not just because Griffin was flying around like a mad man. This happens nearly every game it seems like. I recall Hibbert getting the ball dumped off to him for some easy drop in the basket. Wasn’t Dalembert supposed to have some kind of presence in the key?
Walton made a good point. It looks like the players don’t give a shit (That’s not exactly what he said). That or Paul Westphal is trying to add Feng Shui to the playbook.

by Rumskee on Dec 7, 2010 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Look at the bright side

maybe we’ll get the #1 lottery pick this time

by KingsFan on Dec 7, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Not a chance

The NBA will soon own the Hornets. That pretty much guarantees they are getting the first pick!

I was uncool before it was cool

by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

related note

The one bit of good news this morning is that it appears the NBA wants to move its newly acquired team to KC, KC is the city I had ranked #1 as the place the Kings would go if they left in the next 2 seasons. I do not see a viable location now that can attract them in that time frame.

There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Dec 7, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Not if the Hornets get into the playoffs they won't.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I felt terrible after last nights game

Just morose. I’m so sick of the losing, but sometimes I take this team way too seriously.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 7, 2010 7:43 AM PST reply actions  

same.

I think its the fact that we can’t beat a comparably younger and likewise dormat clippers team. When they beat us twice in a few weeks it really makes me scratch my head. I honestly don’t know who we can realistically beat in the NBA right now.

Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.

by darkadun on Dec 7, 2010 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I hear you

I watched the first half, then got busy and couldn’t watch. I eventually got free and debated whether or not I should turn the game back on, fearing that I’d see us getting blown out (again). But, being the masochist that I am, I turned the game on. We were down 85-81 and Pooh had just gotten fouled shooting the 3. Sadly, I thought to myself “I’m not get suckered in here” and turned the game off fearing a typical meltdown, which I couldn’t stand to watch because it would just put me in a bad mood. From what I’ve read about that last couple of minutes, I’m glad I turned it off.

sigh

I hate feeling negative about the team, but I’m really struggling to find sunshine through all the dark clouds.

by outrider on Dec 7, 2010 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Editing fail

Sigh wasn’t supposed to be struck through…

by outrider on Dec 7, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Cheer Up

I am hardcore fan too, and its been brutal. But the team is playing with a little more energy. I am hoping that what I have been harping on since the end of last season, that the Kings desperately need speed in the backcourt, has finally sinked into the dense skull of PW. How is it a armchair blogger like me, albeit a brilliant one ;), can see what the team needs before a professional head coach? It took Antoine Wright and Luther Head and a bunch of DNP-CDs before the slow realization a speedy guard like Pooh might make an impact?

Look at what happened to Omri last night playing off a guy like Jeter. Last nights contribution was not an anomaly. All he was doing was running the floor, playing within the context of the offense, making smart plays, and he finishes with 21/10. And I would add Omri played great defense.

These type of games from Omri can happen regularly with a coach who has faith in him, something seriously lacking when Omri was pulled from the starting lineup unjustifiably so. Maybe like the Pooh Jeter move, PW just takes a little longer to see the light.

I predict JT puts up 7 and 5 this year - Aug '10. (Current: 6.0 Pts 5 Rebs)

by bench_blob on Dec 7, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

If the past is any prologue

Then in the next game Omri will either get a DNP-CD or he’ll play 4 minutes.

by outrider on Dec 7, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Let's not get it twisted

Casspi played good 1 on 1 defense a couple times, but he was extremely horrible defensively when playing his man off the ball all night, resulting in those scrambling rotations we all know and love.

"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds

by kingsfan300 on Dec 7, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

His man defense isn’t that bad. But his team defense (much like most of the roster) is atrocious.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 7, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I have the same problem

The day after, I’m attempting to remember the big picture…that it’s still about developing young talent and hopefully putting the Martin-Landry cap space to use down the road.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

This season is proof of why so many teams fear rebuilding.

It’s incredibly hard.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

The biggest problem I have with this losing happening now

is the potential fear that nobody will even care if the Kings end up leaving because of it. Sure us hardcore fans will, but others will just say that they’ve been terrible for years now, the Maloofs are cheap, and ignore the fact that the true potential of this team has always lain a few years from now.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 7, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Man do you really want me to respond to this?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd still try my hardest to keep the Kings in Sacramento if they were 0-82

I just think that the casual fan could care less, and in the end, if they’re not going to the games, the Maloofs are going to have no choice, especially if there is no arena deal on the horizon.

There are so many variables. The Kings could be a playoff team right now and they still might end up moving due to unknown arena issues.

Its the scariest part of this season in my opinion, for so many reasons.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 7, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Just a question

Is it necessarily not going to games that will force the Maloofs to move or just no popular support for a new arena?

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Back off the manic depressive impulse to think short term wins or losses will determine the Kings future in Sacramento.

It does you and everyone else no good. Unless, that is, you want the Kings to move to another city. The future of the Kings will be determined by a new arena in the railyards.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

This has always been the wildcard IMO

This franchise needs some success, and it needs some butts in the seats. There is pressure in that regard.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Thats the damn truth

and there is proof of that sentiment on this very site where we have to read about another “fan” saying they are giving up on this team until it wins again.

I was uncool before it was cool

by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Tyreke's foul on Gordon after wasting 12 seconds of game time really grinds my gears...

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Dec 7, 2010 7:45 AM PST reply actions  

Hard for anyone to defend 'Reke on that decision

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I know some of it has to do with

the fact we don’t have 5 guys that are significantly and consitantly better than any other 5 guys (sans Reke), but we can’t go with the “this bench player had a hot game so let’s start him!” approach.

Bench players have good games all the time in this league. They are still bench players.

by Gabraham on Dec 7, 2010 8:03 AM PST reply actions  

On pace for a 17-18 win season

Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...

by kromeace on Dec 7, 2010 8:13 AM PST reply actions  

And

This one feels 10x worse than the last 17 win season!

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Well

I agree, I’d rather have this team as well. Which is why Im so pissed that they are on track to match that 17 win team. The pieces just dont seem to compliment each other though. Hopefully I am wrong and they can get this train back on track.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Well enjoy the heck out of this team...

In no way would I/could I ever be happy or enjoy such a losing season (regardless of who is on the team)

Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...

by kromeace on Dec 7, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Obviously

Our expectations of wanting the team to be competitive and live up to their skill level is asking too much. Who wouldn’t want to see better players play worse?

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Hindsight
The Kings put all their shooters on the floor, and Jeter … drives to the rim. Gordon strips Jeter, and the ball goes out of bounds off Jeter. Game (essentially) over.

I’m thinking we should have had Beno back in at PG at the 2.30 mark after Tyreke hit the 3 to go up by 4 points.

by KingsFan on Dec 7, 2010 8:17 AM PST reply actions  

Poohs energy & defense

is what kept him in the game IMO. Beno may have shown more poise, but then again he may not have. He has been pretty inconsistent this year so its hard to say what you would get. Besides Beno defers to Tyreke too much in that situation. I’d rather have Pooh attacking the rim than watch Beno and Reke pound it at the top of the key.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I think what happen

was Pooh was spent mentally after leading the Kings back to the lead. Once he got us there he had no I idea how to close it out. Basically Poohs energy had run out of gas. We did not score a point the rest of the game and the Clips scored 11.

by KingsFan on Dec 7, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I think once he got us there, he was like “Oh crap, now what?” I think we’ll see better poise (and hopefully more playing time) from him in the future.

by DirtyDribblers on Dec 7, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm thinking

We shouldn’t have gotten down by nearly 20 points. Would have made the whole thing a bit easier.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Personally...

I was holding out for Peaches to shout “There’s Poo all over the court in the Fourth Quarter!!!

But alas…

by defender96 on Dec 7, 2010 8:25 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

This Pooh joke has run it's course

I was thinking about this last night watching him in the game. That nick name seems kind of childish. He should go by Eugene or simply Gene. Maybe then I he might get his name called more often. Gene Jeter has a ring to it, imo.

by KingsFan on Dec 7, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Its a day late

But still a pretty accurate write up on how a lot of us feel right now:
http://dimemag.com/2010/12/sacramento-is-searching-for-the-real-tyreke-evans/

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 8:39 AM PST reply actions  

What a shame

The clippers were beat down the night before from playing blazers.the kings have been off since saturday and we still got beat!plus cayman was out.i do not know what to say .is it the coach,the players.all we have hope for is the number one pick in draft but that will not happen.i say fire westphal and hire bill walton.

by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Dec 7, 2010 8:39 AM PST reply actions  

hire bill walton huh?

good to know you don’t pay attention to reality when you make your comments

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Bill walton

He seems to call it the way he see it.basketball smarts something you do not have.

by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Dec 7, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

clearly you know very fucking little about Bill Walton if you actually were serious with your statement.

As much as I would love to spoon feed the information to you, it’s much more fun to see you get angry and say more stupid shit

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

wallywagon11

I hear ya you are a silly bastard.all in all i want to win and westphal is awful coach.

by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Dec 7, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

ug

your wish with Westphal

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Wally, leave the boy alone. After changing the channel or turning down the volume on just about every

game Walton ever announced I found him to be strangely compelling last night. It is so weird to get anything approaching honesty and objectivity from the broadcaster’s booth that I didn’t find him to be a bombastic boor last night.

It’s the players job to keep the coach happy, not the coach’s job to keep the player happy. - Paul Westphal quoted from The Purple Panjandrum

by Bluejohn on Dec 7, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Walton says

a lot of intelligent, honest stuff. Its just he weaves in such over the top dramatic comments along with this information that he becomes painful to listen to at times. I agree, he was pretty accurate last night, aside from calling Carl Landry the Kings best player.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

He called him the "most accomplished'

and I was thinking that Dalembert probably is. Then Tyreke.

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Dec 7, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Watch the game again

He called him and 2 or so other guys “the best player on the team”. This is what makes him so hard to listen to.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah, didn't see this. Oops.

In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg

by PurpleLoco on Dec 7, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

aside from calling Carl Landry the Kings best player.

I noticed that he also called Cousins the Kings’ best player about ten minutes about he went all “HAIL JEBUS!” on Carl.
Just sayin’.

In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg

by PurpleLoco on Dec 7, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Thats what got me. You cant call different people the best player on the team, or at least try to do it in different quarters of the game so we dont remember! lol!

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh Walton is very smart and compelling

he would never take a coaching gig though and it’s pretty clear to anyone who has followed the guy’s life.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

And I could not imagine that there would be many players who could tolerate all the adjectives he uses when he speaks! It would be a bit much to ask of anyone frankly.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh man, he is still soooo soooo bad

Nasaly, pompous, and he never shuts the eff up. Poor Jerry can barely get a word in edgewise.

And he’s an idiot too – saying that Dalembert needs to take things more seriously, then a few minutes later talking about the team needing to smile more and loosen up. Oh, and he had a comment about Casspi not getting a rebound because he was too obsessed with hanging around the three point line – while the Kings were on defense. Yeah, I’m sure Casspi was hanging around the three point line so he could drain one for the Clippers.

Besides all that, he’s a mercenary. He doesn’t give two squirts of moose piss about this team – he’s just cashing a paycheck.

Give me back Koz and Kayte in a heartbeat over Walton and Gray.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Agree with Kayte

but I couldn’t stand Koz. Don’t miss him one bit. And yes, Walton contradicts himself and the action on the court quite a bit.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep, not a Koz fan either

But these freaking guys actually make me miss him.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Totally agree

Jim Gray is just obnoxious and the big readhead is far too unfamiliar with the Kings to really have any depth of insight. I hate how much of a Lakers fan he is too! lol!

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

D00d

spaces go after punctuation, not no spaces, and not before the punctuation.

"Good Luck"

by TheFifthMookie on Dec 7, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

From Draft Express nearly 2 years ago-
"With his poor shooting mechanics (he fades away unnecessarily on every attempt) Evans is very streaky with his feet set in catch and shoot situations, and downright dreadful shooting the ball off the dribble. He only converts a dismal 25% of his jump-shots according to Synergy Sports Technology, but the problem is that he settles for them on a regular basis—they make up about 40% of his possessions, often with a hand in his face and early in the shot clock no less. While his skill-set may develop in time, Evans’ mentality looks extremely questionable—it’s hard not to come away with the impression that he’s a pretty selfish player. He’s likely going to have to revamp his shooting stroke entirely if he’s to ever become even a decent threat from the NBA 3-point line, something he’s been unwilling to do up until this point."
-NCAA Weekly Performers 2/19/2009

THIS is why I am frustrated with Tyreke. I know you all think I’m hating on him, and maybe I am a bit, but its strictly from his lack of growth. I just want to see his shot and decision making improve dramatically. We need him to grow into a more rounded player if this team is going to be successful.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 8:50 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Rec for painful truth

Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...

by kromeace on Dec 7, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, from the same article!
Based on the questions that we had about where Evans would fit in for whatever team drafted him, it is safe to say that he’s exceeded expectations and then some. He’s translated his game to the NBA seamlessly. Though he may not be having quite as tremendous an individual season on a more competitive team, there is no doubt that Evans has displayed the tools necessary to become an outstanding pro for years to come. Already enjoying superstar status in Sacramento, it will be interesting to see how this success affects his development in coming season.
A few months into his rookie year, Evans has started to show the patience and timing that is common amongst great one-on-one scorers. Poised enough to wait for traffic to clear out of the lane and seeming more willing to wait for the right opportunity instead of taking the first shot offered to him, Evans’ outstanding shiftiness with the ball and body control at the rim have made him one of the game’s most formidable young scorers. As he begins to get more comfortable in his own skin and carves out a more clearly defined niche, Evans’ progress this season should become more pronounced as Sacramento rebuilds.

I think they hit it on the head with their summation:

Looking at what Evans has accomplished this season based on where we saw him last spring, he likely qualifies as the most pleasant surprise of this year’s rookie class. He showed immense upside as a prospect, but his 20, 5, and 5 averages place him amongst the most prolific rookie guards we’ve seen in years, regardless of team situation. Considering the glaring holes that remain in Evans’ game, it isn’t inconceivable to think that he can get substantially better if he takes it upon himself to improve on his weaknesses, which is a pretty scary thought. Already considered something of a franchise player, Evans will need to see through his instant success and accolades to realize how much better he can still become.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

We were all pleasantly surprised with this summation of his play LAST year, however now that defenses have figured out his style of play its up to him to adjust so he can continue to be effective and grow. So far that has been the problem I am having with him this year, which correlates to the previous statements about his game and basketball IQ.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you think defenses suddenly learned how to defend him over the offseason?

You don’t think they had him figured out by the All-Star break last year? Come on, teams were packing the lane against him pretty much after the 20 game mark last season.

I think it’s clear that Tyreke is both physically not where he wants to be AND he’s trying to change his playstyle a bit for the long-term.

Killing the kid after 18 games for how he’s played is incredibly shortsighted.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Bad ankles... Soft

How’s that?

Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...

by kromeace on Dec 7, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Otis

I dont mean to be “killing him” after 18 games. I want nothing more than for him to succeed. I’m am just truly tired of seeing him make the same boneheaded mistakes night after night. Its the poor IQ he has shown that has me upset. Its the lack of passing and the length of time he takes to initiate the offense. Its the failure to feed his post players and the jumping in the air to pass the ball. Its a plethora of things, not just his shot. I just want to see more growth from our “star”.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

As do I

I’m seeing growing pains, injuries and questionable coaching more than I’m seeing long-term warning signs.

If we’re two thirds of the way through the season and he’s playing like this, I’ll revisit my opinion.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

totally agree

that is a good assessment.

by ziggie on Dec 7, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Kfan made a great point in the Post-Game Thread

Last year for example, we started off hot and then hit a huuuuuge cool down period. Maybe this year its different and it takes this team a little while to learn and then we hit our hot period, even if it happens against better teams.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 7, 2010 8:51 AM PST reply actions  

I hope this is true

Would be the first time I could recall a Kings team starting with a horrible first quarter of the season, only to get hot. My fingers are certainly crossed!

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

if you define cool down periods by wins or losses

not quite sure if that will be the case to be honest. They might play better ball but that schedule gets pretty nasty

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I missed the game as I was (am) on the road

was the end selfish? If no one could hit a shot but Casspi – should they have kept feeding him?

Anyway, you’re not going to win many any games shooting like that, sounds like we were lucky to be close in the end,

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- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2010 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

The Clippers collapsed until Eric Gordon put them on his back and carried them to victory.

Gosh, I love Eric Gordon. Too bad the Clippers do too. Egads.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Come on guys.

We knew the Kings were going to the Playoffs this year. I know it is tough to see loss after loss, but develop some callous people and stop being so down trodden. Sactown is not a bunch of wimps and we need to buck up. This is a tough league and a tough game. We have way too much youth and need to develop it. That is tough, but it is our gig right now.

I am at a place where I just want to be entertained and see some good basketball mixed in with the crappy shit that happens. I want to see lessons learned that is only going to happen on the floor during games. I want to see development.

I think we all started the season with high expectations given the hype and geting some new talent, but we are still a crappy team at this point. Just change your expectations and look for the moral victories, the development of the players, and that will get you through to the other side. The winning side when the Kings are dominant again.

Pooh played great, Casspi was awesome, and the rotations are stable now without the stupid shit we have put up with from PW. I say that these are good and go a long ways toward making this team better. Sure there are issues, but looking at the positives is a better perspective.

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by MustangMBS on Dec 7, 2010 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

first sentence kind of threw me off there

(like I can talk)

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Jeez - were not going to the Playoffs

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Dec 7, 2010 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

Even worse - reply fail

Banned until more coffee

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Dec 7, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

i love all the coffee references we see in the threads during the morning hours

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Nobody is bitching about the playoffs!

We are bitching about the lack of growth and development. DeMarcus has really only been the player to show this, however that could be simply because we are new to his game.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe there has been some growth..

The problem is they aren’t consistant(not even from the 1st half to the second).

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 7, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Really?

Can you elaborate on said growth because right now I am having a hard time finding any.
I want this team to succeed and win as much as the next guy, and I am by no means a fair-weather fan, I am just really pissed at the lack of teamwork and effort we have (haven’t) seen this year.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Well for starters

Casspi is up from 36% to 39% from beyond the arc. HIs freethrows are up from 67% to 75% as well!

The lack of teamwork/effort is the disheatening thing, however if you watched during the Dallas game when this team is clicking the looked improved.

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 7, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

For a perspective

Of my point:
Last year the New Jersey Nets went 12-70 and the Kings went 25-57.

The Nets got Derrick Favors this year who is averaging * Pts 6.6 * Reb 5.3 * Ast 0.1
and the Kings got DMC who is averaging * Pts 11.3 * Reb 6.9 * Ast 1.2

Records so far? Nets 6-15 and the Kings 4-15.

If you were trying to convince me that the Nets had made some growth, I could agree, but the Kings are moving in the absolute wrong direction right now aside from maybe 1 or 2 players. Maybe the Nets are only better because of Avery Johnson, but when we are looking up at them in the standings, I get a little annoyed.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Kings also started the year last year pretty hot(for them) with more experienced players

That had far more experience playing together than our current Kings team. I feel(as mentioned already) this is a team that will do far better in the second 41 games than the first 41 games.

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 7, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

This season

they started 3-1 and its been all downhill since. We are 1/4 of the way through the season, so its not as if I’m ready to throw the towel in on this season yet, but I would certainly like to see some improvements made sooner than later.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 9:30 AM PST reply actions  

Reply fail

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

They started 3-1 with Cousins starting and have been competitive in all but the Lakers game with him back as the starter

Maybe I’m just being more optimistic than most and feel that it’s only a matter of time before they really start clicking together. However, it is incredibly hard to figure out your teammates when you change the rotation every day

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 7, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

If PW doesn’t play Cousins more, is his nail in the coffin.
I will say, I love DMC, however is team defense was pretty pathetic on a couple of drives last night. Namely the Griffin “Tomahawk” dunk.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

It's hard to play Cousins more when he can't stay on the court

I’m sure PW would play Cousins 30+ minutes if he had the endurance and didn’t always get in foul trouble

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 7, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

At the same time

Sitting him for great lengths because he got 2 early fouls isnt going to help his conditioning either. I say let him play through it and get more into the flow of the game. It may very well help his conditioning and allow him to learn how the NBA refs call a game.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Damned if you do... Damned if you don't...

Risk playing him more and giving him a 3rd/4th foul and basically making him useless until the 4th quarter… or play him and hope it helps his conditioning and basketball IQ

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 7, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

True

However I think he would learn to not get those silly reach in fouls if given more time on the floor. He has done better as of late, and I think it would help his confidence, and Tyreke’s confidence in him if he was on the floor more.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Just playing more in game minutes is not enough to do much for his conditioning

sorry but that is not part of the equation when talking about this.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmmmmm....

See your point, sort of.
Obviously he has to do more in the weight room and what not but I don’t see how running an extra 30 or so minutes a day coupled with the pressure of the being in the game and pushing around other players would NOT help his conditioning.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

You know who only played basketball nonstop (even in the offseason) and didn't work with a personal trainer to work on his fitness? Antoine Walker

Yes I am fully aware than running an extra 30 minutes or so is good conditioning, my point is I am much more concerned about what they do away from the court because court time isn’t enough to get it done. The guy can run on a darn bike for 30 minutes to make up for it, the last thing we need to worry about is getting their conditioning taken care of on the court.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Still not sure I get your point

Its like saying you have to have book smarts more than work experience. You need both to be successful so whats it matter if I think he needs to be “conditioned” to actual game time?

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

um

sorry but I have zero clue what you are talking about. I dunno, I don’t think I have a problem with someone being “‘conditioned’ to actual game time” but then again not quite sure what that means.

 I think someone that someone like Cousins better not be saying “I will stay in shape just by playing” is all I am saying. He needs to be doing more (realistically a lot of that change might not happen until the offseason) and if he sits during game time he can pretty easy do something else to get his workout in. I don’t think we need to treat game time as a player’s workout regime.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, getting in shape playing the game is how Shaq ran things

And it’s why (despite his status as an all-time great center) I still think he’s a bit of an underachiver.

DeMarcus doesn’t have the sheer physical tools that Shaq had, but he’s got better basketball skills. He’s still going to need to get in “professional athlete” shape to achieve his potential, and that means working on his body 24/7/365.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he’s referring to the fact that in shape and game shape are quite different. You can train as much and as hard as you want but nothing is the same as actual playing time

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 7, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly my point

Thank you

I was uncool before it was cool

by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

And the opposite is true as well

If he plans on staying in shape strictly by playing basketball, he’s going to be a career underachiever.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

How do you know this?

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Look at his weight loss Otis

He dropped 20 or so lbs. That speaks of serious commitment to getting in shape. It sure wasn’t from playing.

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by MustangMBS on Dec 7, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Was going to say...

It was reported on this site he lost something like 20lbs so far

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 7, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

That is small sample size Mustang

If he hadn’t gotten some of that weight of for his rookie season, it would have been a travesty.

It’s a long season, and these guys are going to have more aches and pains and injuries as they go. Will he condition himself properly off the court and during the offseason to allow himself to play through those kinds of things?

I’m not saying he won’t, I’m just saying the jury is going to be out (in my mind) for a while.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Of course the jury is still out, in total

But a fact is a fact and he lost a lot of weight. Don’t use the small sample size thing to ignore what facts we do have and those facts indicate he is working out off of the court.

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by MustangMBS on Dec 7, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not ignoring it

But I’m not blindly accepting that he’s going to maintain it over the long term.

I’ve been a gym rat since I was in my teens – and one thing I’ve learned is that some people get in shape occasionally and some people make their fitness a major priority in their life. If DeMarcus takes the latter tack (which he should, as a professional athlete) then he could very well be great.

Until he does it long-term, his potential is a big question mark IMO.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember John Calipari talking about Karl Malone out of college and how high his body fat was.

I was like, yeah I’ll believe that one when I see it.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

In reference to DMC of course^

I should have made that clear. < / blames Wally for poor clarification >

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by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

should point out Mustang

That at least for me personally I am always skeptical of the weight numbers players say they lost or gained (not sure if that is part of what is fueling some of Otis’s skepticism). I call it the Reggie Miller affect

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Where is there proof

that he is only staying in shape by playing? As I said, of course he needs to work on his conditioning in the weight room, the pool, wherever! But he needs to be be in the damn games if you expect him to get better conditioned physically AND mentally.

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

If

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

He still looks a little soft to me

And he looks like he’s out of breath half the time he’s out there. His halftime interview with Jim Gray the other night – I was wondering if he was going to pass out.

And there were questions on his work ethic and conditioning coming into the league. These questions won’t be answered until we see what he decides to do in the offseason (can anyone say Donté Greene?)

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he's gotten ref scared

Earlier this season, he’d try to take a charge on those kind of plays, but he’d get called for a blocking foul.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 7, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Last night

When he had his defender in the air he chose to lean back to take his shot rather than jumping into the defender for the foul. I think he was worried they would have actually called the foul on HIM!

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Tyreke's offense and defense looks horrible

He couldn’t guard anyone especially Eric Gordan. I hope it is his ankle injuries. Every time he got the ball on the offense i was saying pass pass. His decision making is really bad also, he might have got the Kevin Martin flu.

by Kenneth256 on Dec 7, 2010 9:36 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Tyreke needs to go back to being aggressive

He’s falling in love with the jumper way too much.

He’s actually finishing a little bit better than he was last year at the rim, but he’s taking THREE less attempts per game. His biggest increase in FGA have been within 10 feet, where he’s taking about 2 more FGA than last year (when he shot 33.3% from there), but he’s also only making 31.7%. He’s nonexistant from 10-15 feet, and he’s taking more 16-23 footers and more 3 pointers at a slightly higher Percentage.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 7, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

He also is down 2 FTA a game

because he’s not attacking the basket as hard or as aggressively.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 7, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I think this is by design, to be honest

Short-term pain, long-term gain. Look at it this way – if Tyreke is able to improve his shooting ability in game situations, he suddenly becomes a multi-dimensional scoring threat – and vaults into the upper echelon of NBA players.

So I disagree that he needs to go back to being aggressive, unless the team feels his jumper is always going to be a lost cause.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I think a lot of this is by design.

Especially that he’s having ankle problems and issues with the plantar Plantar fasciitis right now makes it easier to hope that he expands other part of his game.

When he’s healthy he can resume his all out assault on the basket like previously.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it's more important about finding the right balance.

When that balance is figured out, go from there.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Glad someone did

But I fear your optimism is misplaced unfortunately. It’s really a shame too, this season started so good for the Kings.

by athletics68 on Dec 7, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

really random comment by me

but just realized when reading this it’s the anniversary of Pearl Harbor (69 years? 68? I am guessing 69)

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

As an aside

I didn’t read through the entire game thread…but did anyone else feel Omri’s intentional foul on Gordon in the 4th was a pretty cheap shot? He clearly tried to put a little extra oomph into the ribcage.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 11:27 AM PST reply actions  

I didn't notice it.

I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case though.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

The game

had some pretty chippy moments from time to time. Perhaps a carry over from the Portland slug fest the night before. Still not sure how DMC was thrown to the ground with no foul called…

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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

So?

we could use a bit more nastiness and tenacity on the team.
Better than rolling over and playing dead.

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by RikSmits on Dec 7, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Feeling antagonistic Rik?

I didn’t have a problem with it, just stating it was a cheap shot.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I liked it

I thought it was a tough play. I would rather that foul than our many touch fouls.

by MichaelMack on Dec 7, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

So?

just stating that a bit of nastiness doesn’t hurt.

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by RikSmits on Dec 7, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Disagree

Theres a difference between nastiness and being a good sportsman and handing out hard fouls.

by chenp22 on Dec 8, 2010 2:38 AM PST up reply actions  

The Bee said there was a "ceremonial gift exchange" between Omri and Gordon before the game...

…because it was Israeli Appreciation Night or something along those lines.

I bet Gordon gave Omri a crappy gift, and he decided to have a little revenge.

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by PurpleLoco on Dec 7, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

That was probably it

I’m guessing it was Silly Bandz.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby

by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

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by section214 on Dec 7, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Is that Hanukah Harry? instant rec'd (with a candle on top)

(or is Chanukah Charry?). I think Eric Gordon may be Ruth Gordon’s grandson’s 2nd nephew.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 7, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Quite honestly

Jeter turned it around by doing his job: moving the ball.

The guy pushed the tempo, bringing the ball downcourt and getting it to who needed it. The other players moved, they did not just stand in place. If an easy look did not present itself Jeter sent the ball to Cousins down low, who worked his post game (which looked great) or passed out of the double team (which also looked nice).

That looked much better than Evans standing at the 3 point line, dribbling while everyone else stands around. We fell back behind when Jeter brought the ball up court and relinquished the ball to Evans, who stood around until he took a fade away (etc.).

While we’ve had a lot of discussion about NaPG and the roles of the guards on the team, this was the first evidence of the need for a pass first guard to play in tandem with Tyreke. I think this game also showed just how terrible Beno is a defense. While Bill Walton tends to get on my nerves, I think he made some great points.

by DirtyDribblers on Dec 7, 2010 3:55 PM PST reply actions  

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