Kings Continue to Make the Wrong Kind of History
by Tom Ziller on Dec 7, 2010 9:53 AM PST
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PrintMonday's loss to the Clippers sent the Kings down to 4-15 on the season. That mark ties the team's previous worst 19-game starts in the Sacramento, set in 1987 and 1990. In each of those seasons, the Kings won Game No. 20 to move to 5-15 on the season. As such, if the Kings lose Wednesday to the Wizards, it will mark the worst start in the history of the Sacramento Kings.
The loss also knocked Paul Westphal to 29-72 (.287) at the head of the Kings. The loss last week to the Lakers pushed Westphal behind Dick Motta in winning percentage, giving Westphal the worst record among all Sacramento Kings head coaches with at least 100 games under their belt.
Westphal also fell behind Bill Russell to become the full-time head coach with the worst record period in Sacramento Kings history. Kenny Natt, who went 11-47 (.189), was an interim head coach after Reggie Theus was fired.
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Fire Westphal...
Let Ellie take over. Aside from that, all I have to say is KYRIE IRVING. Add Irving to this team and get a year of experience for Cousins, along with a good coach and I’m excited again. Not a lot of teams are one player away from a playoff contender, and I think the Kings are. I can’t remember the last time the Kings were. This time last year we had Hawes at center. Nightmares.
The loss last week to the Lakers pushed Westphal behind Dick Motta in winning percentage, giving Westphal the worst record among all Sacramento Kings head coaches with at least 100 games under their belt.
At least he made history.
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I dont want
The Kings to fire Westphal just to have Elie sit in the rest of the year as interim coach. Make him finish the season and then fire all of them Elie is not the answer IMO.
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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 10:05 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Why?
How could Elie be worse that the worst Kings coach in the Sacramento era?
Kenny Natt?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
How EXACTLY is that a defense which should defend Westphal's job?
The OTHER possibility is that we get better. We already know that Westphal blows.
Why should we EXPECT Kenny Natt?
lol
I was unaware I was defending Westphal.
I was not saying I EXPECT Kenny Natt. You said “How could Elie be worse that the worse Kings coach in the Sacramento era?” I was wondering if you were referring to Kenny Natt (i.e., the worse Kings coach in the Sacramento era).
So yeah, not really sure what to tell you.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Westphal is the worst for coaches with at least 100 games.
I’m not sure what you are trying to tell me. Your point seems ridiculous. We shouldn’t give up on being awful because we might run the risk of being awful……
The point (I think)
is although he didn’t make it to 100 games, the Natt era was clearly worse than the Theus era, and the problem with getting rid of Westphaul right now is we might enter into another Natt era, which would be even worse than it is now.
"Good Luck"
by TheFifthMookie on Dec 7, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Whatever...
Good franchises never make decisions because they risk making a bad situation worse…..
(that was written sarcastically)
just clearing this up since it appears I have a phantom ghost point here
I didn’t mean anything, I was just asking if Hoops Mike was referring to Kenny Natt is all.
And my personal opinion: I could care less if Westphal is gone tomorrow. I think we are screwed either way this season because of our roster (and yes I am also glad the Kings didn’t spend this offseason) and no coach is going to change it and there is not much risk either way.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The only way this season would be going worse is if the Kings spent money in the off-season and then had the type of start they've had.
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We'd be like the Clippers then
A badly losing team with some highly paid players
"Good Luck"
by TheFifthMookie on Dec 7, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
their payroll is under control now I believe
I think the Knicks have the first place historical honor on that one
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
The Knicks proved that it's not just spending money
….but HOW you spend money. Yet, I’m not sure they’ve learned that lesson either with better management.
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Rec'd for a reality check.
The Clippers have 10 million or more in salary than the Kings right now. And they say Donald Sterling is the ultimate cheapo! < / snark >
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what?
Okay my point, which in fact was the question “are you talking about Kenny Natt?” when you say Elie couldn’t be the worst coach in history is apparantly ridiculous. Sorry for asking a fucking question. My bad, apparantly it is ridiculous to make sure what you were referring to. My bad.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Relax!
I just now got what you meant.
I thought it was clear I was talking about PW. I was never talking about Natt.
Pretty sure I was the one who was relaxed on this one.
you didn’t say PW or Natt, plus it was your first comment here. Hence I wasn’t sure who you were talking about when you said Elie couldn’t be worse than the worst coach (either would have been applicable). You might have noticed my joke right after about knocking on wood. Trust me, I was relaxed.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Just a misunderstanding.
I actually have not mentioned Natt on any thread I have ever posted on this site. I called Westphal a ‘buffoon’ on my initial post on this site. The one you were commenting on here was not my initial post.
Given your above remarks I took you as being more ‘heated.’ My apologies.
My apologies as well
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
;-)
I thought your “Kenny Natt” was a sarcastic response to my “How could we be worse??” comment.
I didn’t get that you were asking for genuine clarification.
My bad – I’m just expecting a ‘fight’ on this issue. :-)
Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who...
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by Sacto_J on Dec 7, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
STOP SINGING!!!!
“She’s got…… great tracts of land………..!!!!!!!!!”
by Hoops Mike on Dec 7, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You clearly don't remember Natt-shit.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully he would be more Eddie Jordan than Kenny natt
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
By the way, he could very well be worse, don't start jinxing us with the "how could he possibly be worst line"
Knock on wood or something
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
the players could stop playing hard? As sad as it was to lose to Dallas, at least the team came to play.
Not that this is an exact comparison, but for all the crap Tom Cable gets, that dude has that team playing hard for him every game.
The Kings may not be very good and Westphal may need to hammer out a steadier rotation, but at least the team is still giving a good effort.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
You are killing me.
Many things COULD happen. For one, we could actually get better. Do you BELIEVE that we are going to get better under Westphal??? – News: Neither do the Maloofs, as if they did, he would get a 5 year deal.
This thing is a train wreck. There is no miracle coming. Pooh Jeter isn’t going to infuse the team with a ‘Disneyesque’ joy which spurs them to the playoffs.
We lose nothing in canning Westphal. In fact, I’d be MORE inclined to watch if I was a casual fan.
so last year...
when the team surprised people westphal was a genius. this year, with Tyreke hurt and the most of the team not performing consistently he is a bum?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Who was calling Westphal a genius?
He is a bum.
When an entire team doesn’t perform, it IS the coach.
When you don't perform
is it the girl?
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
by ElRonToro on Dec 7, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I don't know about Mike
but when I don’t perform it usually the third time in an hour. Or, I ran out of little blue pills.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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you find a piece of wooden furniture and you knock it with your knuckles
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
was at the game last night
…sitting kinda close for the first time ever. I couldn’t believe how bad we looked for most of the game. Cousins just standing around down there on defense missing helps and lookin soft and getting out of griffin’s way for ridiculous dunks. And then we looked great in the 4th after the standard downward spiral in 3rd. I simply do not understand this team and agree that westphal has to go.
Westphal is a buffoon.
Think of this -
Luther Head went from being viewed as vital, as part of the solution to our woes, a starter, to getting DNPs. That is, in effect, saying that he is a big part of the problem. Seriously – this is what Westphal says with playing time: “I have NO IDEA what I am doing.”
How can you start one game, then sit the next? Not, just a reduction in minutes, but an eradication of them. When are people favoring waiting going to see that change, any change, will be an improvement? PW is the worst.
The team is completely lost. I see no evidence of a single thing that would have me thinking that Westphal should keep his job.
I don't actually get how benching Luther Head shows much to be honest
to complain about it is to suggest you honestly believed that Head was set to be a vital part of the rotation. I personally am glad PW gave him a shot (I thought there was some promise there after the stretch of good D he played) but he didn’t keep it up and let Pooh played and he showed up. Why not give Pooh a chance?
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Ridiculous.
I was against giving Head minutes to begin with.
I think it is moronic to go into this season with a last-minute veteran off of the scrapheap as even a possibility for the position of starting PG.
I’m not remotely against Head’s benching – he should NEVER have started. I said so repeatedly.
You aren’t convincing me of any reason to defend Westphal. After 100 games, why are these questions at all? Why are you defending moves that should have been hashed out last year, in practice, in preseason? His tinkering at this point is MORONIC. He has no idea what to do. His ‘plan’ changes constantly. What, exactly, are you defending?
Okay apparantly you thought I rolled in here with an agenda
interesting
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
That's clear.
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Honestly Mike
I dont think anyone can defend Westphal’s coaching. Its been awful, but so too has been the shooting percentages and the effort by the players. Its a tough call. Do you you scrap yet another coach and HOPE things get better? What if they dont? Then you are out more money AND have made the situation even worse. Who would want to take the job with the way this team has gone through coaches lately?
I was uncool before it was cool
I’d like to know exactly how it gets worse.
If the Maloofs would unclench and spend some money on a coach, I have no doubt that we would have a decent one. Are you kidding me? After what DMC is showing, we will have lots of options – bank on it.
WHICH COACH??
I keep seeing this…what coach did the Maloofs pass up to hire Westphal that they could have given big money to?
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Which big money coach was even available?
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remember you have to look back at 09 for this question
unless people really think PW deserved getting fired after last year which I think is a tough arguement to make.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Seriously?
Like I know every candidate.
Are you seriously suggesting that there were NO assistants in the pro game, NO unemployed coaches, NO college coaches?
Unless my memory is incorrect on this point, the Maloofs made it pretty clear that they were unwilling to pay top dollar. Does anyone else remember this?
Yes I remember this.
Tom Thibodeau turned down the Kings for that reason. Eddie Jordan took the Sixers offer instead. Kurt Rambis went to the Wolves over the summer after things had settled for the Lakers.
My question: Did any of those hirings make those teams successful, or were the rosters making the head coach?
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sidenote
really curious why it took THibodeau so long to get a gig. I can’t tell if people just didn’t like him or if he was picky with his choices or maybe a little of both
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
I think it was both.
Similar to Marc Iavaroni in that regard.
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Both Iavaroni & Thibodeau interviewed for a number of jobs..
…but both were pretty selective about whom they would interview with.
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Fear of the unknown
Everyone wants experienced head coaches that have proven themselves first. TT showed a hell of a lot of promise, but sometimes thats not enough to convince people.
I was uncool before it was cool
I think there were questions on his people skills as well
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I remember this being an issue as well.
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Who knows?
You are correct though. He seemed like he was a commodity for quite a while. He was constantly mentioned as a candidate for every opening.
Good question.
It is certainly hard to know.
I will say that Rambis seems to slowly be developing something, and there is no way I would have traded our talent for the Wolves’ talent.
I have always disliked Eddie Jordan as a coach.
Thibodeau certainly has a better gig now, but again – we probably could have had him. Just like we probably could have had Larry Brown (who made overtures to the job, and we wouldn’t even talk to him – although with his penchant for leaving jobs, I can understand why)
I think the Wolves & Kings roster have similar talent levels if the 2011 pick pans out for them and Rubio comes over.
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As it is without those 2 caveats...
….I think they are pretty similar.
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Mike
Do you think they are going to pay top dollar for “NO assistants in the pro game, NO unemployed coaches, NO college coaches?” either? They got the best candidate they could and for a great price. What Wetphal makes shouldnt even be a part of the argument IMO. If he did really well this year we wouldnt be complaining that he is underpaid.
I was uncool before it was cool
..and???
I don’t remotely see how Westphal was the best candidate.
In addition, he isn’t doing well. Obviously that changes the discussion. How is it rational to discuss this as if he is a successful coach?
Money will bring better candidates, or at least more options.
That's the point you seem to be neglecting
Were you even a Kings fan during the coaching search? Trust me, we were hashing out the coaching possibilities here day-in and day-out during that whole period of time. If there was some dynamic coach the team didn’t acquire due to lowballing, it remains a mystery to me.
They may well have made a mistake hiring Westphal. But putting the “cheap” argument out there is revisionist history.
To convince me, you would have to point out a candidate at the time that the Kings could have had (by dishing out more cash) that would have been significantly better than PW.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Part of it was that the Musselman firing had an impact on how much the Maloof's were going to spend.
The Maloof’s structured the buyout of Musselman’s contract after he was fired to be paid over 4 seasons at roughly 1.5 mill per. However, the hope was that when Musselman took another job (anywhere—for anything really) they would get out of the financial mistake. It just never happened because Muss took awhile to get back into the game. The good news is that they don’t owe him for the last season of the deal (this year) because of the job he took in the NBDL.
Really though, the Muss situation wasn’t the only reason the Maloof’s were looking for a cheap coach. It had to be a factor though.
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???
My being a fan has nothing to do with if I was contributing to this site.
I have been a fan since they arrived in Sacramento.
The reason I asked was not to question your fanhood
And reading it now, it came out that way. My apologies.
But my point was how close you were keeping track of the Kings coaching search. There weren’t a lot of great options out there, to be honest.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
not to look back too much
but it seemed pretty clear from the start the kings were limiting their search based on $$. avery johnson, byron scott, that level of coaches were not a part of the conversation based on $$. had the word been out that the maloofs were willing to spend for a coach we wouldn’t have been dealing with the Rambis’s and Westphal’s of the coaching world – there would have been a much larger pool.
I personally don't know what I think of Avery
but pretty darn glad the Kings limited their pool in regards to Byron Scott
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Then let me ask this.
If you expand the coaching pool by offering more dollars, what does Rambis and Johnson offer this team that Westphal isnt?
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i'm not a rambis fan at all
i’m a laker fan and remember quite well his short stint as the lakers coach. he was horrible – unwilling to stand up to the players and was completely lost. the players ran the show.
i am a fan of avery johnson. i think the guy rubs people the wrong way because he is so intense and speaks his mind – but i think that can work. he coaches like pat riley – who i’m a huge fan of. it’s his way or the highway. i would have preferred that disciplinary style to the more player-coach approach westphal has.
He's the Mike Singletary of professional basketball IMO
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
You're a Lakers and Kings fan?
Well at least you have a championship caliber and bottom feeding team to root for.
I just don’t see how the POV of Laker fans matter on Rambis at this point. What does that 99 team have to do with this King team (or the Wolves that Rambis IS coaching)?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
so you're saying
if kenny natt is up for a job in a few years you think he should be given a clean slate?
Rambis did win with that team.
He just didn’t win a championship.
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with the talent they had
he did not meet expectations. they won over 70% of their games with Del the previous year and over 80% the following year with PJ.
Well expectations are sometimes realistic and sometimes not.
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I don't care what LA expectations are.
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by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Let me clarify
There were not a lot of coaches out there worth breaking the bank for. And that includes Byron Scott, but you could almost talk me out of that opinion.
Avery Johnson? Oh, hell no. That’s just spending money to say you spent money. I’d take PW ten times out of ten in front of Avery Johnson.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
by otis29 on Dec 7, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
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I wouldn't take PW over AJ if the money was equal...
…but I also detest Johnson as a coach.
I would take Byron Scott though.
wow apparantly I didn't pay enough attention to AJ
I know he came off a little crazy toward the end with Dallas but didn’t know he was so despited. Anyone know anything about him with the Nets this year? (other than the record) I know he killed Troy Murphy’s fantasy value for me but that is about it.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
wow
despised? despized? all kinds of fail
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
i don't know why the hate on the board
i know when he was trying to land a new coaching job – he wanted to get paid AND have some say in the front office which is what turned off a lot of teams. i believe Atlanta was considering him but dropped him for that reason.
Petrie could have made him the Assistant GM intead of that nobody and then SAR. but no way Maloofs were going to pay 4-4.5M a year for a coach
By nobody are you referring to Jason Levien?
He isn’t a nobody. He was actually Kevin Martin’s agent.
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You realize that Levien was hired before Reggie Theus was even fired right?
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Oh. I see.
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I havent liked Rambis
Since the days when he played on the Kings. Just felt wrong having him here.
I was uncool before it was cool
Now there is a positive argument.
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Outcoached
I don’t know if I have ever seen a coach get more ‘outcoached’ than when the Warriors destroyed Dallas in the 06-07 season.
Johnson always reacts. He doesn’t exploit mismatches, he responds to them.
No worries!
I genuinely appreciate your apology. I’m probably over sensitive as I’m defending my vitriol against many posters!!!
I don’t disagree with your characterization of our search at the time, but I do recall that the Maloofs were almost campaigning for coaches on the cheap. That will always winnow down the field of candidates.
I'm just saying
We were talking about Rambis/Thibodeau/Jordan and maybe a few other not-so-notable names. Not exactly guys worth breaking the bank on.
Just curious why the Maloofs should have spent millions upon millions to get one of those guys? If you are implying they were cheap, that sort of defeats your new argument that they should have gotten some obscure assistant or college coach.
If you want to piss and moan that they didn’t hire a good coach because they did poor research, more power to you. But bitching they were cheap when there weren’t any guys (besides Rambis) asking for big money makes no sense to me.
And they did, in fact, get an “unemployed coach” with NBA experience – Paul Westphal.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
I didn't ever say they were cheap.
In fact, unless I’m very much mistaken, I believe they all make more than Westphal.
I think Rambis or Thibodeau come if we pay them. The Maloofs were just unwilling to gamble on an unknown commodity.
In addition, I was not against Westphal. He was probably worth the risk. We have a big enough sample size now – the risk is not paying off. Time to cut our losses.
Actually, you very much did say they were cheap
Unless I’m misunderstanding phrases like “If the Maloofs would unclench and spend some money on a coach” and “unwilling to pay top dollar”.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Yeah - that was getting Westphal.
They didn’t spend money.
Rambis DID sign for more with Minnesota. He reportedly got over 2 mil per season. Westphal signed 2 years for 3 mil, option for 3rd year at 3 mil. (picked up – stupid move)
Well
I for one still would NOT want Rambis, especially for more money.
I was uncool before it was cool
Exactamundo
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
For me......
…you can also throw Avery Johnson in this boat. Byron Scott too for all intents and purposes.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
yep
none of those 3 names excites me at all, and I doubt they’d be doing much better with the King’s current roster
"Good Luck"
by TheFifthMookie on Dec 7, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Funny - another misunderstanding.
I DO think the Maloofs are cheap with coaches (currently).
I thought you were talking about the coaches you named. None of them came as cheaply as PW did.
Hate to break it to you but I was only talking about the Luther Head part not showing much to me, that's it
sorry but I could care less if Head was a last minute veteran off the scrapheap. I care more about the fact that Beno’s defense is pretty darn awful and Head showed he was okay defensively. That’s it. Sorry but I don’t see Beno as the type of player who is guaranteed a starting spot. I don’t blame PW for trying Head there.
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
right on
totally agrree….I would have canned his ass last year.
And hired whom?
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just a couple guys that were available
don’t know. but i think avery johnson or byron scott would have been good.
Ever seen some of the bad years Byron Scott teams have had with the Nets or Hornets?
He doesn’t have a sterling win loss record because of that.
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should probably mention
PW has been there as well.
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
not so much a pro Westphal thing, I just don't think either is all that impressive
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Shhhhhh.
Next thing you’ll point out is that Westphal coached a team with Charles Barkley on it and the same Finals team that saw Barkley win the MVP that year.
SHHHHHHHHHHH.
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My brain blackout out on that one
right after I had the memory of KJ’s runner being swatted from behind from Horace Grant (I used to absolutely despite the Bulls)
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
er despise, despise
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
You & me both brother.
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That was several centuries ago, though
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
I'll tell you what.
Get me a veteran Jason Kidd and see if PW can make the Finals too.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
A player who is in his prime and at his very best like Kidd was I should say.
Not the Kidd who is playing now.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
in the early 2000s in the East
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Stop it!!!!!
All success is equal is to itself. Success is success is success. Details and that kinda stuff is just ripples in the pond of ass kissers trying to support a horrible regime like Westphal’s!
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until we stablilze the situation, i don’t think a veteran wopuld agree to come to sac. at least be happy about it
not the point of the comment
should point out though Kidd wasn’t exactly thrilled with going to the Nets
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Nor was Webber coming here
but If my memory serves me correctly that seemed to work out alright
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 8, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
well yeah so did Kidd
not sure where you were going with this.
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I don't think coaches are happy.
Have you ever Jeff Van Gundy talk? HE CLAIMS HE’S HAPPY. Coaches are depressive people by nature. It’s….depressing.
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To me
Sloan has many reasons to be upset. One of the best coaches of all time (IMO) and has been snubbed for coach of the year his entire career. Also, he had a team that was amazingly good, but happened to peak at the exact same time as when Jordan owned the league, so no rings for him. Now he knows chances are looking slim for a ring, although the current Jazz core is looking very good for a future championship, but the question is, will Sloan still be around by then?
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 8, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
or the Cavs
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Really you would have fired him for last year?
Why would you have fired him for last year?
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
absolutely
inmates were running the asylum and did not like his ever changing lineup. besides, winning 25 games was not that great. I also did not like the way he handled the tyreke martin situation. martin was our top guy and should been treated like he was. not this pampering of evans.
Wait what?
martin was our top guy and should been treated like he was. not this pampering of evans.
This reeks of agenda.
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
seriously
like what ? honestly, not being combative at all. just don’t know what you mean.
I can't see how one should fire the coach after the front office backed him up and moved on
it’s odd for someone to write something like that and reeks of someone still very bitter about something that really doesn’t apply much in my opinion (to the question of firing the guy last offseason I should say). It’s just odd and makes one question if you see everything now through the lense of “Shit we shouldn’t have traded Kevin Martin.”
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
sorry I am being a little picky here but can we keep it past tense if we are talking about last year?
I have a hard time believing that it was so clear last year that PW did not have control of this team. And before you go on to the W-L record from last year please note the schedule got much much much much more brutal around Christmas time.
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i just think you should take out problems when you see them. last year there were signs of PW’s style that I personally did not like. therefore, i would have made a change. that’s all.
Ridiculous
to make THAT change after all the coaches we had just gone through. Absolutely ridiculous.
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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
understand…..but maybe we should not have hired him on the first place. consequently, the revolving door at HC sort of force the kings to keep PW.
and that is an entirely different question that I believe has been going on elsewhere in this comment section
I get that a lot more than the idea we should “have canned his ass last year.”
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
if that is the case
good thing we traded Kevin Martin when we did. We should trade Tyreke right now too. Beno also because of his defense. True nobody would take him but we gotta move him for something. Landry isn’t rebounding. We need to get rid of him right now so Thompson can rebound. If Thompson starts to foul too much and whine again, get rid of him. We might have to run Cousins out there on a 1 on 5 matchup for awhile until we figure out the current kinks.
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Actually Cousins has been inconsistent for a good portion of the season
Better ship him out too.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
also
the front office was bleeding. maybe the support (maloofs) was for the wrong reason.
Not sure how much they saved so far with the Kevin Martin trade however
why would they fire PW due to his treatment of a player they planned on trading for money reasons? Still kind of odd.
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Somebody has a serious SpeedRacer crush.
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funny
i did laugh. but, seriously, I really think the whole organization was so giddy over reke and the roy chase. also, they won a few games when martin was hurt and the young guys believed they were better without him. additionally, guys getting their minutes reduced created more ill feelings. the whole situation was managed poorly. and the crush comment was pretty funny.
Don't pull at that scab ziggie :)
Man, I remember the Kevin Martin debates around here just prior to the trade. It was not pretty.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Nothing Kevin Martin related around here is pretty.
He was difficult for some fans to root for. Some of us get it, and some of us don’t.
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Short term memory
But do you recall how atrocious Martin’s defense was? I seem to recall defense being the real focus for this team right now and dont miss K-Mart one bit.
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The tough part to reconcile
Is they traded for Landry, who’s really a frontcourt version of Kevin Martin.
This trade is still all about the cap-space, to be honest.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Yeah the trade is more about the cap space and the flexibility.
It also reduced payroll to the point where they can go cheap if need be to help facilitate the rebuilding.
It’s not a bad idea given this team and the market issue’s around it.
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I was excited about the trade
and the possibility of an actual threat in the post. I sure hope Carl can find some consistency in the post again.
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I find that you and I are agreeing a lot lately
Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to look out my window and see if the meteor is coming.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Has been rather cold
here in Kings fan hell lately.
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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd for comment awesomeness.
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do leaves count as locusts?
because they are all over my front lawn
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
We tend to agree more than we disagree.
But I’ll look for the meteor too. I’m sittin in a good spot to see it.
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martin
his in houston is fine. the other night he defended kobe just fine. kobe tried bully ball and was not successful. it was at the 4 min mark when battier took over. he’s not that bad of a defender. I’ve watched every houston game this year. i still have a hard time with that trade. for all his issues good or bad. he’s still a damn good scorer.
So why complain about the Kings now?
Why not be a Rockets fan if you’re such a diehard Kevin Martin supporter?
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sort of am. and it’s been pretty brutal. neither team wins much. i am totally surrounded by laker fans as well. it’s awful.
"i am totally surrounded by laker fans as well. it’s awful."
So you have been to a few Kings home games this season.
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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Move out of LA and you won't have that problem.
Am I supposed to care that you live in LaLa land?
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my business is here. also, my wife owns a business in newport beach as well. besides, it’s pretty nice here.
Then don't complain about having to live with Laker fans.
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No comment on this.
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Hey Ziggie
its pretty nice here in El Dorado Hills too! A lot less Lakers fans to deal with I might add.
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thanks !
there are some nice areas up there. if we add another warehouse, i would consider it.
I have a warehouse
here in the business park for my business. Not as easy to find the employees you might need but a great place nerveless.
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oh totally agree ziggie
brutal times
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Im going to digress here for a moment
But doesn’t it make a little bit of sense that the organization would try and promote Tyreke for ROY and try and force the league into acknowledging him as a (super)star player? Think about it. If I were the head of an organization that is what I would want for my team. You look at the top teams in the league and they are led by guys who are considered super stars. How many times have all of us pissed and moaned because LeBron or Kobe got calls based on their “superstardom?” Or how about Shaq getting every call possible while in his prime? Now think about us having a guy like that on our team in Tyreke who can get those calls and make his shot hes fouled on because of his strength and skill, and all we have to do to set the foundation for such a player is clear the way and allow him to average the infamous 20-5-5. You place Tyrekes name in the category with those guys and it automatically allows him to get the benefit of some calls which I saw last year. If you are, as an organization, going to try something like that, why would you need someone like Martin? It was time to move on. I am not saying that the Kings were trying that with Reke but I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what they did. Anyway, it was time for Martin to go, he wasn’t happy here, and we didn’t “need” him any more. I wish he had stayed, but it was time to move on and make time for our next generation of players.
fair enough
i just think it could have worked. and, it would have been good long term for reke. and the guy who said it was cap space was sort of right. it was about payroll deduction. not cap space. had we pursued free agents maybe i would believe it..
When I heard the trade rumors, I thought the team was giving up on the 'Reke-Martin pairing way too early
But the deal itself was (and at this point, still is) a winner. All depends on the use of the cap space and who the team finds to ultimately pair up in the backcourt with Tyreke.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
the thing that sucks for those concerned about whether it was cap space or payroll deduction is the whole dynamic with the new CBA coming out
plus if there is a strike shortened season who knows if the Kings will feel comfortable paying guys long term right away. Things might be very rushed. We could be looking at nothing until the summer of 12 in terms of big free agents technically.
Personally I am a bigger fan of absorbing bad contracts with draft picks (I oversimplied it here but mean in the way the Thunder did it) but that is just me
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
I really think that it could have and should have worked as well
I really think that they should have at least tried to force the issue a little bit, but I am not GP and he is pretty damn good at his job according to history…
I get the feeling it was more about marketing and putting butts in the seats
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
sorry
I meant the hype stuff, not the trade
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
We got what we paid for...
All the buzz around this hire was that we hired him because he agreed to come on the cheap.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
don't get me wrong though...
I don’t want to fire him just to win a few meaningless games. If the Maloofs really want to pay more coaches, how about hiring a few more assistants to develop the young guys. I think that would be much more beneficial to the future of the team.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
No
How do we hire even MORE assistants!? Cousins has his own guy, Tyreke has all his “Team Reke” guys, how many people do we need, really? If we need a new coach, so be it. I just dont see how we can have an assistant for every guy on the team and expect 1 clear voice to be heard.
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Team Reke is not on the Maloof payroll
They are not assistant coaches. That’s Tyreke’s personal posse that is (claimed) commetted to his developement.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Dec 7, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Understood
But they still have his ear. Thats my point. How many people can be talking for any one guy to be heard?
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I agree with you here.
Absolutely correct.
am i th eonly one that remembers that Dallas staff from earlier this decade...
seemded to have a ton of assistants to work with all the players. if you fire westphal you still have to pay him. So if you really want to pay two head coaches why not just take that money and hire more assistants and make Westphal’s job easier and give more attention to the development of the young players?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
How many coaches do you honestly need?
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i dont know...
i just figure it could be a better use of funds than paying two head coaches. we could bring larry brown or phil jackson here and the team still wont sniff the playoffs.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 7, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Sidenote
All those assistants were all part of Cuban’s big spending plan. He thought it was cheaper to invest in more coaching and assistants than to invest more in overpriced veterans (even though he still does it). Essentially he felt he got more bang for his buck and an edge over other teams.
Not sure if he still feels that way.
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
What does that mean?
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its a double rainbow all the way acrooss the sky
by TG13 on Dec 7, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh. Thanks for that.
Now you’ve ruined rainbows as well as NBA head coaches for me. Thanks a lot.
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Further proof
that rainbows and sports should never, ever, ever, ever be mentioned in the same sentence.
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its really bright and vivid you should see it
i mean its as clear as PW’s rotations. maximum vivid consistency at its best ;)
Someones
gotten into Bill Waltons acid stash
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by Dirkula on Dec 7, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You mean Bill Walton?
It was because he was no longer part of the broadcast. He was there for the second and third quarters only.
Pay attention much?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 7, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
wait
Bill Walton is on our broadcasts??? Trippy…..
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What if we go without a coach
put all the players in a room before each game and the 5 who come out play. My guess Reke Omri Cousins Garcia and Jackson
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Hahaha
I can see that being a quality Onion article. Bottom feeder NBA team decides to can coaching staff and pick starting lineup using straws.
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and if Pooh somehow walked out there I think we would all know
nobody should ever fuck with Pooh
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Omri is a lock because of the mandated Krav-Maga,
but I don’t think Cousins could fight his way out of a Comic-Con fan art booth. From Landry’s reactions after hard fouls, I’m guessing he’s a dude that knows how to carry himself. Garcia would make it out, because he’s the freakin’ Flaco. Jackson could just scowl his way out (I imagine that Darnell’s scowl could burn your eyelashes off). Last, I’d say that Dalembert or Tyreke would come out. The reach those two have, plus the Haiti/Philly upbringing (most people don’t know this, but many* refer to Philadelphia as “the Haiti of the Northeast”) suggest that they’ve had to throw down a few times.
*by many, I mean myself
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 7, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, Pooh seems like kind of a dark horse.
You could even go so far as to call him “Horse Pooh”.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Dec 7, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
"As they come down the final stretch....
…..Horse Pooh is making a push to put this hapless no good youngin team on his back as they enter the final stretch. Let’s hear it for Horse Pooh!!!!"
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Not an original idea.
I went to a NBL game here in Australia. Shane Heal (you may recall him as the Aussie that played with the T’wolves, or got into a bit of a tussle with Charles Barkley, I believe during the 92 Olympics(or maybe one of the world championships)) was a player coach for one of the teams from Sydney.
It was totally weird seeing a guy in a uniform stand on the sidelines like a coach, and then sub himself in to the game etc , etc. Talk about doing things on the cheap.
.
all star break
I woudl give him til the all star break and see if he can get this moving in the right direction. But, it does not look good for PW. he looks desperate.
Getting elite coaches to consider Sacramento
is basically the same as trying to convince elite free agents. Unfortunately with such a long climb to respectability ahead, one of the worst arenas in the league, a relatively small market, and constant chatter about moving, it’s simply too hard of a sell. Maybe Ellie would be better than Westphaul, but we’d be pretty lucky if he is. We’ve seen what first-time head coaches with effusive personalities have done for us several times before. I think all we can hope for is that Reke develops steadily, DeMarcus develops quickly, and the next lotto pick is a humdinger. Then we can at least correct issue #1 and that may be enough to attract a more reputable coach.
rec'd, +1, FTW, This.
Most elite coaches
are not recognized as elite coaches when they first take the job.
The only two coaches in the last 30 years to win a title and already be recognized as an elite coach were Phil Jackson when he took over the Lakers and Pat Riley with the Heat.
The only possible exception to that claim is if you consider/considered Larry Brown an elite coach before he won the title with the Pistons.
Most of these guys, such as Jackson with the Bulls, Riley with the Lakers and Popovich with the Spurs, were in their first job as a coach.
"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."
by NewEraKings on Dec 7, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Its amazing how much the Kevin Martin trade has been coming up recently
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It will come up periodically for awhile.
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Kevin was playing poorly
For as long as Reke has been playing poorly. Just saying.
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Kevin was also in his 5th season.
Just saying.
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True
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Beat me to it Pook
Its not like he wasnt given time to prove himself. He was what they thought he was, and was therefore moved.
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6th actually.
So his extension had kicked in for two years already.
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Indeed.
This is his 7th season. God I’m old.
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This is pathetic
And I’m not talking about the team. I’m sure there are better coaches we could have gotten than PW. (And I don’t count Eddie Jordan in that list.) But to even suggest Westphal is the worst coach the Kings have ever had is the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever heard. Obviously the people spouting such nonsense were not here during the Russell era,
I completely agree with Bill Walton’s comments last night, that if our players were executing as well as Westphal is coaching we would be winning games. This reminds me so much of all the people who wanted Adelman gone because he had “lost the team.” I almost hope Westphal does get fired so you can all see that coaching is not this team’s problem.
There are many issues the Kings have and the coach is not even in the top ten. I’m done defending PW to all of you screaming for his head though. So I’ll just take a little sabbatical from the site for a while. It’s seriously not worth the headaches.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
by SavageBeast on Dec 7, 2010 12:28 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
The starting point of differences between Bill Russell and Paul Westphal
Is that PW has a pulse.
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Truw
I don’t think you you could get any lower than Russell.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
Have you forgotten about Herman Kull?
Oh you’re just talking about head coaches.
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Apparently
Statistically speaking, he is the worst coach we’ve had through 100 games. Doesn’t mean I want him fired, but I know how we all like to see stats support our arguments.
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:)
Yeah. I guess my point would be that statistically this is the worst Kings team ever. That would include players, GM, and owners, as well as all the coaches. I don’t take PW off the hook, I just don’t place the blame squarely on his shoulders as so many here are doing. And maybe I’m a total Pollyanna, but I do see growth, and I see glimpses of what we can be that excite me enough that I’d like to see things play out through the end of the year. At that point I’d be fine with looking for a new coach if the team hasn’t started turning the corner.
But at this point it feels like one of those protest rallies where everyone is carrying signs and screaming slogans. No one is going to change their mind, and it just feels pointless to argue when it isn’t going to affect anything.
"This season is another learning process for this team. There is no segment of the schedule that looms larger than the sum of the season, in my opinion."
Section 214
I hear ya
and as I have stated before, I dont want to see Westphal fired. I would like to see some consistency from both he and the players though. Maybe if he could come up with a true starting line up and 2nd unit the players would respond in a favorable manner. Then we could get a win or two and we can all go back to being happy little campers!
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So you think Westphal doesn't agree with you?
You think he enjoys losing games and seeing his players be incosistent?
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inconsistent^
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Of course not Pookey
I’m sure he is just as frustrated as we are, but I also think he needs to look in the mirror a bit when it comes to their inconsistency.
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Maloof's will not fire him
We are talking 19 games into a contract extension. IMO he did not deserve it after last year (Maloof’s never asked for my opinion)… and I do not see the brother’s pink slipping PW 19 games in… then again Kmart was not going to be traded. If they do pink slip Paul soon then I would remove all hope on the fact they are not going to try and move the team… because their word and opinions change quicker then a politicians during a campaign.
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
Lame
He most definitely deserved to have that extension picked up and I can not think of one time that the Maloofs “word and opinions change” in regards to keeping the team here. If they cant find a way to get a new arena what do you expect the to do? You cant put that all on them as the people of Sacramento have had just as much to do with this as the Maloofs.
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Lame?
He most definitely deserved to have that extension picked up
Seriously? For what? 19 games into the season and the worst in the league, and the worst KINGS coaching record…? What exactly has PW done to earn a contract extension, please advise…
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
If only there was someplace on this site where this kind of thing had been debated...
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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You are right Otis.
Ill refrain from explaining to him ONCE AGAIN, how the need for some consistency far out weighed any other aspect in regards to retaining Westphal and how he proved to be pretty solid last year for his salary, since there is already a thread about this elsewhere.
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LOL
So last years performance was worth picking up his 3rd year in April of this year rather then see how this year pans out?
the need for some consistency far out weighed any other aspect in regards
So how is this years CONSISTENT juggling of the lineup grab ya? Working out damn smooth huh? I will say the losing is consistent with 2008… *rolls eyes
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
You're not in therapy to work out your issues as a Kings fan are you?
It seems you need some private 50 minutes to work out these deep and hidden inner demons with your Kings fandom.
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last night
clippers home commentary said the kings are gone and the nba has washed their hands of any arena deal in Sacramento. i know there are some guys that get pretty sensitive about this topic; however, i am just repeating what was said.
Clipper announcers can't see plays right in front of them
why would they be any better on this?
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Paul Westphal got extended in April
Geoff Petrie got extended in Dec ‘09. So in fact, the option to PW’s contract was picked up after Martin had been traded.
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seriously
consistency is all i am asking for. PW is not the model of consistency. in order to build a unit, it requires guys learning to trust each other. which takes time to evolve. how can these guys do this when they have a different starting lineup ever other night ???
just start these 5 guys PW
evans PG, greene SG, casspi SF, thompson PF, and ofcourse cousins at CENTER. just do it. its the best lineup with the best players available. evans, cousins and casspi should start nomatter what.
Unfortunately, neither Greene or Casspi are strong enough ball handlers for that to be effective.
However, JT could possibly bring the ball up….
Somebody shoot me, this losing is wrecking my brain. SO glad my Falcons are making moves this year.
by VenomySnicket on Dec 7, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
this team is REALLY green
phil jackson would have trouble getting this team to the playoffs. everybody here knows it. PW should get the rest of this season at least to see what he can do. just needs to stick with that starting 5 i posted. its the best lineup imo.
You know at this point I'm only hoping
that PW is training them like Mr. Miyagi. Initially, they have no idea what the hell they’re doing, they’re getting frustrated, going through the motions, but once he gives their lessons context, everything falls into place. Cue montage.
This.
I'm not entirely confident firing PW will improve anything
It has not been terribly successful in the past five years.
Rick Adelman 2006
Eric Musselman 2007
Reggie Theus* 2008
Kenny Natt* 2009
Paul Westphal 2009–present
At some point some continuity wouldn’t go astray.
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