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Do the Kings Need to Pick Up the Pace?

The Kings played up-tempo much of Wednesday's laugher win over the Wizards, begging the observation that the Kings look at lot better when they speed things up.

Is it true? Are the Kings better in more up-tempo games?

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The following graph plots the pace (or number of possessions) in each of the Kings' 20 games against the team's offensive efficiency. Guidelines for Kings and league averages and a trendline are included as well.

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There doesn't seem to be a macro-level strong correlation between a game's pace and the Kings' offensive performance. But there are still a few interesting notes.

* The Kings have met or exceeded the NBA's average offensive efficiency eight times this season. In seven of those games, the Kings played at a pace above that of the league average. Only once did the team perform above league average efficiency when playing at a pace slower than league average.

* If you look at that another way: the Kings are 1-5 in terms of hitting league average offensive efficiency or better in slower than average games, and 7-7 in faster games. As such, the Kings are much more likely to be better on offense in faster-paced games.

* The team's six best offensive performances of the season came in games above league average pace. These games weren't much faster than average, though; in fact, the Kings performed poorly on offense in their two fastest-pace games.

IN CONCLUSION: going more up-tempo is not a fail-safe fix, and the Kings offense may still show up only half the time, and I'm not prepared to analyze what this does to the defense. But a more up-tempo performance has helped some so far, and certainly has not hurt.

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Jeter has looked great

I like the way he runs the offense and his passing seems to be contagious. The Kings are funner to watch when they are running the ball too. Maybe Jeter can be our Brockman this year, by coming in the game with the intensity and fearlessness that we need. Omri and Jeter off the bench is a pretty high energy tandem that can be a great change of pace during the game.

by elSAVinator on Dec 9, 2010 3:40 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

rec’d for

Maybe Jeter can be our Brockman this year

by twasserm on Dec 10, 2010 5:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Poohcakes?

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by section214 on Dec 10, 2010 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Or remember what happened when Brockman first got to Milwaukee?

Pooh Burger! Yum!

"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."

by NewEraKings on Dec 10, 2010 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I picked up a Pooh burger for fantasy league.

I need assists, steals and A/T. I may suggest calling it a Jeter burger instead.

Just hope Petrie doesn’t trade JT for Mario Chalmers. Heh. Kings need a better PG than Tyreke!

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by callahan on Dec 10, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

My younger daughter already has that nickname.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 10, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Boy Ziller

You really know how to take the fun out of stuff. I just want to see more Pooh-Shock alley-oops!

Seriously though, up-tempo or slowed down matters not to me. As long we shoot well (and that seems to be a rare occurrence) we seem to play “better offense”. Even last night we were missing a bunch of point blank shots, we just got a lot of putbacks (on the third and fourth attempt sometimes).

It all comes down to shooting. It sure seems like we have been hitting our 3’s the last few games. Just eyeballing it, no stats. I imagine that’s the biggest reason for our offensive improvement.

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by debrixtha1 on Dec 9, 2010 3:40 PM PST reply actions  

All I know is this:

When Jeter got the ball kicked out to him on a rebound, or after a made basket, rarely had the clock reached 21 or less when he crossed half-court. He was making the defense hustle, and when you have to work on defense, you have less energy for offense.

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by andy sims on Dec 9, 2010 3:40 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

I wish

I would have just written this. Much more fun than science.

by Tom Ziller on Dec 9, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I only wrote it because I don't know how to make charts.

Or how to sit still and do math.

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by andy sims on Dec 9, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Just "Gob."

COME ON!

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by andy sims on Dec 9, 2010 9:25 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Absolutely, when Jeter got the ball up the court quickly the defense wasn't set.

players were scrambling to find their man, and that meant that there were mismatches and open shooters. and, sometimes open lanes to the basket.

I don’t know what uptempo means to everyone, but if it means getting upcourt quickly and looking for breakdowns in the defense before getting into our half court offense. Then I’m all for it. I hope to never again see Tyreke or anyone else, walk the ball up the court, unless we are trying to run out the clock.

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by HighTops on Dec 9, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Good God

When we dribble past half court and we are already down to 16 on the shot clock I went to stick a golf pencil in my left eye.

by MichaelMack on Dec 9, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

More stats making the case for uptempo play

The numbers at 82games show we shoot better than 50% when we get a shot in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock, and it drops from there to about 41% when we shoot in the last three seconds of the shot clock. Of course, the same thing is true for other teams, so you have to play solid D on the other end and not get into a track meet.

"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."

by NewEraKings on Dec 9, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Slightly misleading stat

All fast breaks occur in the first 10 seconds and with a high percentage. So, the fast break points inflate the stat.

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by HighTops on Dec 10, 2010 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Great.

Let’s get more fast breaks, then. Inflate me.

"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."

by NewEraKings on Dec 10, 2010 12:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Chill, brah.

Look at the same stats for every other team in the league. That’s what HT is alluding to.

by Tom Ziller on Dec 10, 2010 5:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Which is why I said above:

Of course, the same thing is true for other teams.

Bottom line: if you consciously increase the tempo, you get more fast-break opportunities.

"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."

by NewEraKings on Dec 10, 2010 7:15 AM PST up reply actions  

So you're saying we score more when we have fastbreaks than when we're taking a contested last second shot.

Great stuff.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 10, 2010 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

Makes a lot of sense, too. The stats seem to show besides 0-10 seconds, that the most effectiveness comes in the 16- to 20-second range. In other words, enough time to set up a decent play without getting into a shot-clock crunch.

"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."

by NewEraKings on Dec 10, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow, you're like the Stephen Hawking of NBA statistics

FG% is higher without a shotclock crunch or on a fastbreak? Whoda thunk it?

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by otis29 on Dec 10, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Apparently not Tyreke

"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."

by NewEraKings on Dec 10, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless you are an insanely good offensive team

your offensive numbers will always look real good pushing the ball faster. The question is whether it makes you a better team because your transition defense becomes a huge factor when you miss shots in the 16-20 range.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 10, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually fast break points usually come from steals and def rebs

but getting into the offense faster does force the other team to get back on defense quicker and can cause some confusion in picking up your man. Since if the ball handler’s man might not be back and someone else will need to switch and stop the ball. And, that can create mismatches in your favor.

but, usually uptempo teams start running in preseason. I don’t know if the Kings who have walked the ball up for 2 season’s now, have the stamina to be an uptempo team at this point in the season. And, it would surely take Tyreke out of the game until he’s healed.

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by HighTops on Dec 10, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Pace is an interesting factor in the equation.

The Kings do well with Pooh Jeter in the open court because he’s A) quicker than almost every G in the league and B) because he can shoot, pass and make quality decisions without turning the ball over.

I like Tyreke in the open court because it opens up potential shots for him that aren’t available in the half court. HIs decision making needs to improve, but so do other things.

I don’t think it makes a difference for Beno because he can go either way.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2010 3:41 PM PST reply actions  

And

I think we have some decent forwards at getting out on the break, in Omri, DG, and JT. I am all for pushing the ball more.

by MichaelMack on Dec 9, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

DMC isn't bad at helping start the break either.

He’s a great outlet passer and rebounder so that helps too.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of outlet passes

Reke had an absolutely gorgeous one last night where he had Omri all the way cross court with a defender in between that he threw perfectly for the easy basket.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 9, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you insinuating that Reke can pass?

Because it sounds to me that you’re going against the grain by mentioning that Reke can in fact pass the ball.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Forget what I said

I didn’t mean it.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 9, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That's right.

Take it back!

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by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Not only that

but he passed on a fast break!!

by MichaelMack on Dec 9, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

How selfish! That ball hog!

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by MustangMBS on Dec 9, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Hire Nolan Richardson -

48 minutes of hell!

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by section214 on Dec 9, 2010 3:54 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Nolan was a tremendous coach...

…but I would love to see him try & pull this off in the NBA. I doubt he could.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

For what it's worth:
Inefficient offensive units often have a tendency to squander a good 10 seconds before getting into their sets. Finding good shots against a defense as stingy as Cleveland’s is a tough business, and the more time you budget to generate those looks the better. By milking 10 seconds off the clock, you also let your opponent off the hook because it requires far less energy to defend for 14 seconds than 24 seconds.

From a fanshot I made a year ago, and actually talking about the Thunder, though it still feels pertinent.

by lead_pipe on Dec 9, 2010 4:11 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

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by Aykis16 on Dec 9, 2010 4:39 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

New York City?

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by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Sorry I ruined this joke.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

GETAROPE

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by otis29 on Dec 9, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

YES!

Of course…just look at what this team is made of? A bunch of young runners (besides Cousins).

ailene voisin is wack!

by Bambooozled on Dec 9, 2010 4:44 PM PST reply actions  

Vlade worked well in the fast paced offense, and on a good day you could slip a Tuesday morning newspaper under his feet when he jumped.

What mattered was that he was a solid rebounder, and an excellent passer. I see a lot of that in DeMarcus. Not to Vlade’s level obviously, but I actually see DMC leaning more in that direction than in the Shaq direction.

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by tomroadrunner on Dec 9, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I had the same thought

when reading a post yesterday about his attempts to draw charges

by markdog333 on Dec 10, 2010 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

What Vlade did well

was trail the break and if it didn’t work out, he was coming up the middle, getting a pass and then making a good decision to help create a good, open shot.

"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."

by NewEraKings on Dec 10, 2010 7:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Watching it take 7-8 seconds to get it across mid-court

80 times a game is time off of our lives we’ll never get back . . . . .

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by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2010 5:02 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Exactly!

I want to scream when I see players casually saunter across mid court as if the team doesn’t regularly need more than 24 seconds to run a play.

by fryingpan136 on Dec 9, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

If they need more than 24 seconds, they're doing it wrong.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Dec 9, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Not TWSS

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Dec 9, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder,

if there is any statistical information on team passing. When ball movement increases so does our success.

I have never seen it but it would be interesting to examine our success on offense based on the number of average passes per possession.

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by nothingbutnet on Dec 9, 2010 5:05 PM PST reply actions  

Yes

we should definitely pick up the pace…

…although we have no shooters to spread the floor and our players are taller (hence slower) than the average in their position. Cousins won’t be able to follow a quicker rhythm. But yeah.. it would be much better than what we’ve seen so far.

by ZenBaller on Dec 9, 2010 5:16 PM PST reply actions  

I agree...

and even though we do have some slow players we also have some that can run. JT, Evans (when he is healthy), Cisco, Omri, Greene, Head, and Beno come to mind. But yes, Cousins will struggle. I noticed a couple of times he just kind of hung out at the other end on the fast break.

by fryingpan136 on Dec 9, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

He runs well when he has a chance to score

if not its a stroll

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by ElRonToro on Dec 9, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

If the team is running

I think Cousins will run just fine

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah.

if he wants to touch the ball, he’ll have to run his butt off.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 10, 2010 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

besides, we're not talking about D'Antoni offense here

we’retalking about pushing the pace, just getting into the offense faster.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Shaq played in Phoenix, averaged 18pts/8 rebs in 30 mpg for 75 games

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by HighTops on Dec 10, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Increased pace has led to more passes

Standing and searching for the pg’s shot leads to the other guys standing around a la the 4:1 flat. A running game seems to make the guys move more, sets up opportunities before the defense is set and simply makes for a more entertaining game overall.

by DirtyDribblers on Dec 9, 2010 5:21 PM PST reply actions  

Also

Jeter’s quickness allows for an inbounds pass to sometimes act as a fast break (there were a few plays over the past few games that he had the ball up the floor before the defense was ready).

by DirtyDribblers on Dec 9, 2010 5:23 PM PST reply actions  

increased pace also means 6-10 extra shots

that helps keep the crew happy

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by ElRonToro on Dec 9, 2010 5:33 PM PST reply actions  

Couldn't an increase number of Kings possessions be affected by the opposing team's pace?

And rebounding, forced turnovers, etc.

Seems like number of Kings possessions isn’t that great of an indicator for the pace that the Kings play at.

by cbsf on Dec 9, 2010 6:15 PM PST reply actions  

cbsf makes a good point, though.

Perhaps Ziller’s chart would be more telling if it were the difference between the game’s pace and the opponent’s average pace. A 93 possession game against a running opponent could mean you’re slowing it down on your posessions, while a 93 posession game against a halfcourt team could mean we’re pushing it. Charting the difference between the game’s pace and the opponent’s average pace wouldn’t be perfect (perfect would be looking at the average number of game seconds per possession, probably excluding possessions that begin with an offensive rebound since many of those are tip shots), but it would probably be a better proxy.

If anyone could get those numbers (our pace in a game, that opponent’s average pace, and our offensive effeciency in that game), I could probably put a chart together, if I could figure out how to post images.

by twasserm on Dec 10, 2010 6:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Pace reflects your style of play but it isn't a measurement of your style of play

It’s only an adjustment factor for Offensive and Defensive Efficiency. In every game they adjust the efficiency of how each teams scores to 100 possessions per game no matter whether there are 90 possession or 110 possessions. They do this so that they can average every teams Offensive and Defensive Efficiency for all their games, and have a representative number to compare all the team. NO matter what style of play they have and which teams they played against.

I guess since they already had every teams average for all the games they played, they published it. Certainly, teams with a faster pace probably do play a more uptempo game, but at any given point their score will be more a measurement of the teams that they played against. Even at the end of the season, since the schedules of the Suns, GSW & NYK aren’t the same, you couldn’t look at their Pace for the year and say the one with the highest number played at the fastest pace. But, you could say that all 3 probably played and uptempo style of play.

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by HighTops on Dec 10, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude pace only matters for how many shots you put up.

Of course you can tell who plays at a faster pace.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 10, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

There's one way to up the pace without running.

Long threes with 14 seconds on the shot clock. Nocioni style.

This.

by elfboy_ on Dec 9, 2010 7:07 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

And...

you could see it in his eyes as soon as he crossed half court. You could almost feel the whole arena thinking “don’t do it!!”

by markdog333 on Dec 10, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, yes, yes, pick up the pace please. Jeter rules.

The team is clearly much better with Jeter on the floor. He can make Head look like an offensive stud. All you have to do is run. Even with a strong defensive unit I think he can make lots of offense, and frankly you better have some good defenders around if you play a guy as small as he is. On the other hand, it seems that of late he has been getting more boards per minute than Landry.
It seems to me that Pooh is the MVP on the team of late. Not that he is the best player, but he is just what the kings need on offense.

by fryingpan136 on Dec 9, 2010 7:31 PM PST reply actions  

for one game so far…

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 10, 2010 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually he's made a positive impact in the past three games

But who’s counting.

"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."

by NewEraKings on Dec 10, 2010 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

And we’re 1-2. Just chillax is what I’m saying. Absolutes like “The team is clearly much better with Jeter on the floor” don’t sit right with me.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 10, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

You have a problem with saying that Pooh Jeter has made the Kings better in the last 3 games?

Seriously?

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by pookeyguru on Dec 10, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

The team is clearly much better with Jeter on the floor.

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by PurpleLoco on Dec 10, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

/cue Section's "The Small Sample Size Institute Approves This Message"

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by otis29 on Dec 10, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

exactly

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Dec 11, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

and it was the Wizards on the road minus Wall

So, it isn’t something to write home about, but still it seems vastly better.

by fryingpan136 on Dec 10, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I love Jeter!!

Love his hustle, his speed, and his spunk. Cats who aren’t drafted usually try and make the most of it when they get a shot in the NBA. Much like Wesley Matthews last year with the Jazz.

Utah>*

by Bebop on Dec 9, 2010 8:14 PM PST reply actions  

Its so much more FUN

to watch a reasonably fast paced game.

Now the old Phx 7 seconds or less was kind of exhausting. . . .

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Spunk, hustle, smiles, effort.....

He has a good attitude that is infectious. The whole team seems to thrive with him.

by fryingpan136 on Dec 10, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

They should definitely play at a higher tempo

1. You have young players who can run the floor well.
2. Running a faster offense will simplify the game on that end of the floor.
3. It should cut down transition buckets for the other team.
4. You tire out teams that aren’t don’t have a deep rotation.

And that's wassup.

by Sacramento_Strong on Dec 9, 2010 8:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

"4. You tire out teams that aren’t don’t have a deep rotation."

Like Miami, hopefully?

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by PurpleLoco on Dec 9, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Luckily for us...

we’ll be playing them on the latter part of a back to back

And that's wassup.

by Sacramento_Strong on Dec 10, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Let's hope the W's run their legs off

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't realize Miami was playing in Oakland tonight.

That’s an advantage the Kings have to take tomorrow. Although, that is guaranteed of course.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 10, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I might disagree with #3.

I don’t know if the numbers would support this, but I might expect that a faster pace could lead to more turnovers which could lead to more opponent fast break points. That doesn’t mean playing uptempo is bad, I’m just not sure that cutting down the other team’s transition points is an argument in its favor.

by twasserm on Dec 10, 2010 6:05 AM PST up reply actions  

My rationale...

is that there will be more made baskets; therefore, it would lead to playing more half court defense. But I totally see where you’re coming from. It’s not like the these young players ever make a bad decision, right?

And that's wassup.

by Sacramento_Strong on Dec 10, 2010 7:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Fun stat

Pooh is 12th in minutes played, but already fifth on the team in assists. That’s probably more of a reflection of our crappy passing before he started to get some PT.

He’ll probably move up to third on the team in assists behind Tyreke and Beno in the next week or two. Head and Cousins are the other two ahead of hum currently.

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by NewEraKings on Dec 9, 2010 10:59 PM PST reply actions  

Two, err, three Thoughts

(1) According to the chart, it looks like the Kings play at a pace equal to NBA average. Am I reading this correctly? Or should there be two vertical lines instead of one?

(2) Pace is dictated by the opponent as much as us, if not more so, if superior in quality. Its not as easy as to say the Kings need to play at a faster pace to win. They would if they could. In other words, against quality opponents, easy leak outs and high percentage looks early in the shot clock are less likely. Against weaker opponents like we saw against injury depleted WAS team, our uptempo offense was a function of the Wizard inept offense, and their sieve-like, take-whatever-you-want defense as much as the impact of Pooh Jeter.

Regardless, talented speed and talented size is a winning combination. And up until the emergence of Jeter in the rotation, the Kings have barely had one element in their attack all year. Here’s hoping the two elements are more frequently present henceforth.

A few clicks and answered my own Q, regarding (1), 92.5 pace puts Kings 16th out of 30th, or at league average. I am not convinced by these stats one way or the other, though I want Jeter on the court. Pace and efficiency should be positively correlated across all teams. I cannot imagine too many instances in which a team is more efficient the slower they play, even if by design. It is counterintuitive. Even plodding half-court teams like the Jazz and Blazers are going to be more efficient on nights they get out on the break more so than normal. If a team is consistently running the 24 second clock close to zero, it is logical to say they are having difficulty finding quality shots. Less efficiency correlates to pace as does its opposite.

I think a more pertinent King scoring stat to monitor is point differential, which was the worst in the league, and currently at (6.1) after blowout win, but still 4th worst.

(3) A regression line plotted on the above graph would plot much steeper than your trend line, which would affirm the above point regarding correlation between efficiency and pace.

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by bench_blob on Dec 9, 2010 11:22 PM PST reply actions  

The average league pace is 95.2 and the Kings are at 95

they don’t consider the other teams pace since it changes every game. so they( less simple then the real formula) take the total number of possessions by any given team for all the games, and divide it by the number of games. So a teams pace is the average of all the games against fast or slow teams.

Whether the team you are playing against is playing fast or slow, doesn’t change the fact that you play at a fast pace. If you shot within 10 sec of every possession, and the other team takes the entire shot clock, you are still a fast pace team. Although it won’t look like it on the stat sheet for that game, but the average for all the teams you play against will be higher than average.

You can be an uptempo team, and still be good in the half court. If you push the ball looking for weaknesses in the defense, you have the opportunity to exploit them. But you still have the opportunity to pull back and go into your half court offense when no advantage is there. Pooh pushed on one play and found that no one stopped him so he went to the rim and drew a fouls. that’s taking advantage with a uptempo game.

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by HighTops on Dec 10, 2010 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

I know intuitively that there are advantages in at least being across halfcourt and being in the position to make a play sooner. Better chance of mismatches, defenses that aren’t set, more time to set screens and set other plays.

Plus, you make the opponent play defense sooner and longer which should have a cumulative affect.

I can’t imagine what the disadvantages might be.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

The disadvantage is that if your ball handler doesn't make good decisions you get more turnovers.

which can lead to fast breaks and easy points the other way.

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by HighTops on Dec 10, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

That can happen either way

one again, I’m not talking necessarily about quick shots unless getting into the offense quicker provides excellent shot opportunities.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

It'd be interesting to see this revisited later in the season

Especially as Pooh gets more playing time and, hopefully, plays at the same level he’s been at.

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by vfettke on Dec 9, 2010 11:25 PM PST reply actions  

Our recent success

with pushing the pace a little bit, is one of the main reason to my insane desire to see Aaron Brooks in a Kings’ uniform before the trade deadline. Pack your baggages, Carl Landry.

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by Panzerfaust on Dec 10, 2010 4:10 AM PST reply actions  

I'd take AB for Landry

But last I heard Houston wants DeMarcus for Brooks. No thank you

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by Dirkula on Dec 10, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

We don't need another pass last scorer in the backcourt, we already have Tyreke

We need what Pooh brings, good handles, good decision making and good defense, just not in the pint size version. Tyreke and Cousins need to be the big scorers, and the other 3 need to be complimentary players. Certainly if we could get a CP3 who can run the offense and give you 20+ points, you wouldn’t turn him away. And, I think unless you can get someone like that in the draft, it would cost too much talent in trade. And, we just don’t have enough talent to give up.

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by HighTops on Dec 10, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

I love to watch AB, but I do not want him in our backcourt. Too shot happy for our team.

by MichaelMack on Dec 10, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I approve of this message
We need what Pooh brings, good handles, good decision making and good defense, just not in the pint size version.

Although I like the pint size version pretty well at the moment. Let’s see how he does for the rest of the year. Maybe we have something special.

"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."

by NewEraKings on Dec 10, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree. I feel like I am watching reruns on offense, unless Jeter is out there.

It always seems to be the same thing- weak pass into the post followed by a last-second, fade-away shot, or a weak pass into the post and the ball is stolen, or lots of dribbling at the top of the key followed by weak ball movement and Tyreke taking his wide open fade-away jumper as the shot clock winds down.

I think my son’s middle school team ran more plays than the Kings.

by fryingpan136 on Dec 10, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

More Pooh

His nine assists in 27 minutes tied him for second best in a game this season. Beno had 11 in the win over Cleveland and had nine in two other games. Tyreke has had nine in four games.

"It really was amazing to see the difference in this team when Pooh was out there moving the ball. Crisp passing, set plays, movement, and Oh yeah, SMILES & PASSION exhibited by the other players on the floor."

by NewEraKings on Dec 10, 2010 7:36 AM PST reply actions  

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