Charlotte – which sources say would be very motivated by any trade involving Kings second-year forward Jason Thompson – has a logjam of centers whom the Kings may inquire about: Nazr Mohammed (6-foot-10), DeSagana Diop (7-0), Alexis Ajinca (7-0) and oft-injured Tyson Chandler (7-1). The Bobcats may also have interest in the expiring contract of Kenny Thomas ($8.7 million this season), as he has been highly regarded by Charlotte coach Larry Brown since they were together in Philadelphia.
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Don't give up on JT yet...
Especially for any of those guys. He may be a bit down of late, but he’s got upside galore.
None of those guys are appealing
JT may be in a little slump right now but I would still rather have him than what the cats could offer.
This is a trade rumour. If one of us had come up with this it would go into Asinine Trade Rumours. Ignore!
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i wouldn't mind a trade that centered around
Diaw and K9….while diaw isn’t the best rebounder around, he is a very good defender, and an amazing passer.
If you could unload Noc in a deal for Diaw, I’d do it in a heartbeat
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
I like Noc for Diaw, but they would need somebody else to play the 4 spot
Unless they moved Nazr over there.
I would include Hilton, May, and Beno (some consistent scoring) for Chandler and Henderson.
I do not like K9 for Chandler. I would rather make a run for Dalembert.
The problem is Diaw and Chandler are considered starting talent, and it seems like they could get more than Noc and Beno. I think it makes them more versatile and gives them a little more offense for players that aren’t really contributing in Charlotte.
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by Ice_9ine on Feb 1, 2010 9:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Bill Walton likes this deal
“It was 201 years ago today that Beethoven’s Symphony #3 in E-Flat escorted in the age of romanticism. And when I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of romanticism. This guys, has got it all.”
—Bill Walton.
by jveezy on Feb 1, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd because I actually sort of understand what that means.
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Ha!
Now that’s analysis!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Isn't that kind of like saying
Sacramento – which sources say would be very motivated by any trade involving Cavaliers forward Lebron James – has a logjam of small forwards…
Of course they would be interested, it would be a good trade talent-wise for Charlotte AND they would be saving money. Sounds like a win-win….for Charlotte.
by markdog333 on Feb 1, 2010 6:29 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts exactly.
Any trade that allows the Kings to add 4 first round lottery picks and only give up Noc, May, Armstrong and K-9 would be welcome…. no shit sherlock.
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I don't know if I'd trade Omri or Donte for LeBron
But the trade machine will allow Noc + K9 for Lebron, so that seems fair. They’re getting an extra player.
i dunno, that might be asking for too much in return
however, if we include sergio in the deal, that would give them a really solid group of young guards
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Look north
Am I crazy to be thinking that Ryan Hollins might be worth looking at?
As for Charlotte, a couple of the guys mentioned in the article are intriguing, but I’d still prefer to have whomever we might receive playing alongside JT, and would be more inclined to give up Hawes.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
I watched Hollins in Dallas
while he may have athleticism and quick sped, he is turnover prone and is a fouling machine. For what he earns, however, he can provide quick boosts of energy off the bench, but don’t xpect nothing special out of him.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
No giving up JT
But this is the kind of deal I’d look for to get a big. Diop or Nazr work. If we could package k-9 and noce that’d be ideal
The future begins now...
by edm7 on Feb 1, 2010 6:48 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Am I the only one who wants Chandler?
I don’t see how Chandler and Hawes could play together though. Hawes at SF? LOL
Nowitzki is a power forward.
I don’t mean to put Hawes in that class, of course, but the skill set is not entirely dissimilar. Why would Spencer play the 3, anyway?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
spence has a career 32.5% three point percentage
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
So we're giving up a a guy
whos been in a slump for a while? didn’t he have 16 rebounds the other night against Charlotte? and we’re thinking about trading him for a center…right.
stupid.
Remember folks, I'm almost always wrong.
My sig was too long...
by Scott Coleman on Feb 1, 2010 7:08 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I would try to sell them Noc first
I think he’d get along great with Brown’s style and could back up both Wallace and Diaw. Noce for Nazr? Noce for Diop+incentive? No thanks on taking on one of those guys for KT’s expiring, though. And there’s definitely no reason to trade JT. He’s on his rookie deal for two more seasons after this, plenty of time to evaluate and hope he snaps out of this sophomore slump.
I think what Sam was TRYING to say...
…was if we include Jason Thompson in a deal, then Charlotte might listen to whatever we want from the roster this side of Gerald Wallace and it would likely get done.
He also mentioned the glut of Centers that Charlotte has and that we have an 8.7 million dollar expiring contract in Kenny Thomas that may entice Charlotte to deal.
I think they’re 3 independent thoughts/ideas, not to be conglomerated into one single idea. Doing so is bastardizing what Sam is attempting to communicate.
With that said...
…Kenny for Tyson makes some sense for both sides honestly…
Tyson is similar to Sammy in that they’re both defensive specialist that are HIGHLY overpaid for just one more season beyond the current.
However, where Sammy is a huge upgrade at Shotblocking, can hit free throws and is an iron man of sorts.
Tyson is a better man-to-man defender, a worse free throw shooter-by a lot and has a history of injuries.
They’re similar players for sure, and I think either could be had for the cost of Kenny Thomas’ expiring contract. The question is which would we prefer if either?
I can't envision a trade with Charlotte
that has Jason Thompson going there, that I would be pleased with. Trading Kenny Thomas for Mohammed + Acie Law could work though.
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Unless nbrans or dalt99 weigh in with something interesting about Ajinca
I don’t have any interest in the rest of those guys.
People complain about Hawes being soft? The term was invented for Diaw. Chandler seems like a bad fit to me and has the injury history. Diop might have the worst contract in the NBA. Mohammed + filler for K9 I could understand, but would be a last ditch use of the K9EC if I were GM.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Ajinca
Alright shotblocker, rail thin, horrible, horrible rebounder
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And no offensive skills of note.
Another waste of a lottery pick by Charlotte.
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Wow
Ajinca’s stat line sucks. Mohammed has been really, really good this year though (21.4 PER).
I’ll soften my stance on Mohammed some, but he’s 33. I can’t see giving up actual assets (JT) for him. K9EC I can understand though, but I doubt that’s what Charlotte is thinking.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Ajinca was taken 20th in 2008.
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Waste of a 20th pick then
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I think Charlotte made the right pick.
You can’t roll the dice on upside and size unless you actually roll the dice on upside and size.
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Ajinca
Actually Ajinca has a pretty decent jump shot and apparently is working on a hook shot now. Considering he’s 7’1" and has a truly freakish 7’9" wingspan that would be a tough shot to defend.
Ajinca’s a very good athlete and has quite a bit of natural ability. That plus the fact that he had already displayed a fair amount of (albeit raw) offensive skill in his workouts was why he was drafted in Round 1, and it’d be a mistake to consider him a wasted pick. I’d certainly rather have a young player with the physical gifts of an Ajinca than a Diop or even a 33 year old like Nazr.
The main downside with Ajinca is he’s very, very thin. They say he’s gained 20 pounds since being drafted but needs to add twenty more. Plus, he’s only been playing basketball for a very short time.
I wouldn’t mind having him included in a deal. The problem is I don’t like any of the other bigs in Charlotte, unless Chandler has a for-sure clean bill of health.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Hilton Armstrong for Alexis Ajinca
Do you do that?
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Better question: Does Charlotte?
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right...
I have a hard time seeing why Charlotte would want Armstrong, considering the roster they already have. And they must like something they see in Ajinca.
Mainly I was just trying to correct the notion that Ajinca is one of these guys who’s only NBA asset is height. He’s a very good athlete and his jump shot is already better than more than a few big men already playing in the NBA; plus it seems as though he’s committed to improving his all around game.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
That's fine.
If Ajinca still has a real shot at being a rotation big, I see very little reason Charlotte has to give him up. They have his contract for the next THREE seasons at a reasonably below market cost for an average big. You do not give those up even if they aren’t developing at the rate you would prefer.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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oh, hell yeah!
IMO Hilton now more or less is what he is, and that’s gonna be pretty limited. He’s 25 years old and while I’m sure he can still improve somewhat he has the skill set and vibe of a career NBA back-up big man.
Nothing wrong with that but by comparison Ajinca still has considerable upside going forward. He could turn out to be at least as good as Dalembert, and if he can get stronger could actually be a pretty damn scary NBA big man.
Anyway, that’s my philosophy on this stuff: roll the dice on the upside.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
The problem naturally is Charlotte doesn't want to give up 2 years of time & investment in Ajinca.
I know I wouldn’t.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
it would seem...
unless of course, Thompson was available and they’re as interested in him as Sam’s report says.
Me, I’d be hesitant to deal JT for any of Charlotte’s pieces, unless, like I said, Chandler is definitely healthy.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
I'd be hesitant to deal any of our young players for any player that isn't a superstar like Chris Bosh.
And even that comes with caveats because unless it’s a Chris Bosh, I probably wouldn’t trade for any superstar G, or Carlos Boozer/Amare Stoudemire for that matter.
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by that, I guess you mean
JT and or Hawes being included in some kinda deal for Bosh, with the Kings presumably also dealing K-Mart, or something like that, plus whatever other throw-ins and salary equalizers that would need to be included… is that the idea?
If so I agree with you, pookey.
I’m also not that excited about a Boozer or even a Stoudemire for this team. I guess mainly I just don’t like the attitude those two particular players would bring.
Considering his incredible skill set, Stoudemire is an amazing underachiever as a rebounder. And I’d rather have a guy who’s playing like his career depends on every stop, every rebound like Millsap than Boozer, star though he may be.
We do need a lot more talent but it should be relatively young-ish players who will act like they still have something to prove when they get to Sacramento.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Enter Tyrus Thomas.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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Just for the record...
Like I mention below, Ajinca actually was drafted as high as he was because he showed quite a bit of potential on offense in his NBA pre-draft workouts. I know these aren’t game conditions but as these 2008 clips show, the kid can put the ball in the hoop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlcfmCclMtk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj1bHmIXtBQ
That plus overall good athleticism and the shot blocking ability of a guy with the longest wingspan in the NBA intrigues me more than some of the other names mentioned in the rumor.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
If
they wanted to give up on JT (which I think is dumb) …. I’d want one of their PG’s in return … and since we got ourselves a very nice PG right now …. no thanks!
"sources say"
“sources say several teams would be very motivated by any trade involving Tyreke Evans” . No shit? Really? Hell, the Kings would be very motivated by any trade involving Lebron James. Short of maybe Chandler as help in the middle, tell them Nancy said. “Just say NO.”
by noreboundsnorings on Feb 1, 2010 8:51 AM PST reply actions
Remember, we are talking about Bobcat rumors here
Bobcats are pretty well known around the league for leaking all kinds of crazy ass rumors. I wouldn’t get too worked up about this.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
They did trade FOR Stephen Jackson
AND Diop.
I’m not saying, I’m just saying…
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And they gave up Vladimir Radmanovich and Raja Bell for Jackson.
And Matt Carrol for Diop. I’m not saying; I’m just sayin….
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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
GP is not giving up JT for any of those guys
No worries. Now expirings etc.? Maybe.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
My perssonal feeling
is we don’t need to REPLACE JT or Spencer, but rather find an established veteran center to help mentor and/or regulate them.
Someone like Marcus Camby would be awesome IMO.
Now, who would we give up to get him? K-9’s expiring works but I dont see why The Clips would do it…
I was uncool before it was cool
by Dirkula on Feb 1, 2010 9:18 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
My personal feeling
Is we need a big that compliments Spencer and JT. A Big who defends and RB’s. PW can rotate and start them however he sees fit.
TT
Have him start with Spencer, then bring JT off the bench as the energy guy.
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Hmmmm.
I’m beginning to believe that Tyrus Thomas is the answer.
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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
i would be shocked if the bulls give up on tyrus so easily
but then again, they did decide to actually pay vinny del negro to be their head coach
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
That's no doubt true.
But’s what keeping the Kings from signing him?
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But what is^
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Pookey and Aykis
Driving the TT bandwagon!
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by Aykis16 on Feb 1, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I refuse to be a tank.
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You're driving.
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Eh. Nah. I suck at driving.
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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
So pookey is inside you?
Ew.
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by section214 on Feb 2, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually I think Aykis is inside me. (I'm the tank remember?)
Either way, ew.
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Aykis said you were driving
Only Aykis knows what he truly meant by this…
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Thankfully you are correct.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
I could dig that, sure.
Thomas would really boost our toughness in the paint. I still think we’d need a lot of help at the 5 though.
Also, wouldn’t acquiring Tyrys render Favors a lot less likely to end up in purple and black next year, pook?
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
I meant in FA.
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I see.
Even so, if we signed Tyrus and let’s say we had the #2 pick, do you still want Favors?
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Well
Yes. What’s the point of signing TT in FA if you had the pick to take Favors?
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that's a good point.
you know what’s interesting in an odd way? I just checked out TT’s Draft Express profile and he told an interviewer at that time that he saw himself more of a 3 than a 4.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Sometimes players need a dose of reality before they truly wake up.
But TT has always been a 4/5 than he’s ever been a 3.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
True dat. Do you think
Tyrus is enough of a 5 to do well playing side by side with JT?
You know me, pookey. Personally I’m looking for the Kings to address what I call “the Hawes problem” even more than I am seeing them boost our talent at the 4.
Of course, beggars can’t be choosers, so we’ll take whatever comes along first, I guess.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
I think that TT could work well with either Spencer or JT
Both of our guys right now probably need a good defender to back them up, and TT provides that, along with decent scoring and rebounding.
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see, that's where I'm not so sure...
I’m sure I’m still in the minority on this point, Aykis, but I want the Kings to add someone who will start in the front court ahead of one of those guys. In particular I’d like to see Hawes replaced, but JT’s limitations are becoming more and more apparent too.
Anyhoo, I think Tyrus Thomas has considerably more physical talent that either Hawes or Thompson, and would be a starter on the Kings, somewhere.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Did I say TT wouldn't start?
If the Kings acquired TT there’s no doubt in my mind he should start. I think that he would work in the lineup with either JT or Spence though. I would probably start Spencer with TT and bring JT off the bench as the energy guy.
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Ok, I see. You said
Spencer and JT “… need a good defender to back them up, and TT provides that…”
so I took that to mean that Tyrus is the back-up, but as you just explained it, we agree.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Minutes are what matter.
It matter who finishes not who starts.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Ah the philosopher comes out...
In anything in life,
“It matters who finishes, not who starts”
Pookeyguru
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Philosophy is for those who think highly of themselves.
I’m basically crap.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I think; therefore you are.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I think I'm out of Chi.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
....So you want a coach
Why hire him as a player?
I agree...
We don’t need a mentor like a 36 year old Camby. We need a serious influx of talent in the front court. Something reminiscent of a 24 year old Marcus Camby!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
the way i see these teams
The Bobcats have a bunch of centers, we have a bunch of wings, certainly something can be done to change that.
Any combination of Beno, Sergio, Cisco, Nocioni, K9 and Armstrong should be able to get some decent players. The options from Charlotte are Nazr, Diop, Chandler, Diaw.
Now, taking the least wanted players from those teams would be a Nocioni for Diop trade. I would do that. We could still make another with K9 and the others.
The players most wanted here? I am not sure if Charlotte would want cap relief (K9) or scoring talent (Beno) more. I am pretty sure Nazr is the most consistent center they have. So would they consider a Beno for Nazr trade? They could start Beno or bring him off the bench. He is no longer the liability on defense he once was, and he gives them a different look than Felton or Augustin. Beno and Jax in the backcourt seems pretty tough.
Beno and Diop have exactly the same contract. Of course, Diop does not have an equal talent level. Maybe a recent pick (Gerald Henderson) or a future first rounder could get that done.
Chandler seems to be the most likely to be moved. If he was healthy, he could be productive. But otherwise he would just be an expiring next season. I do not think it is useful to trade an expiring this year (Kenny) for next year, especially when it is almost 4 million more. Still, a healthy Chandler actually contributes something to a frontcourt.
There are a lot of parts here, and I think there is gonna be a trade. Bobcats need scoring, Kings need defense at the rim. The question is really which players. I trust Geoff can help the team.
Also, I don’t think this should be the only trade done before the deadline. We don’t need expirings, and no long term money, but enough talent to keep improving next season.
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by Ice_9ine on Feb 1, 2010 9:34 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Crud, I forgot about May!
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by Ice_9ine on Feb 1, 2010 9:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I hope you don't mean the playoffs
maybe the lottery day.
or Scott May’s son, Sean. Trivia: NCAA tournament player of the year 2005 is Sean May. 2004 is Emeka Okafor, 2006 is Joakim Noah.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 1, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
I couldn't even read past the third little paragraph there
Now, taking the least wanted players from those teams would be a Nocioni for Diop trade. I would do that.
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Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I do that for fun
My thought is that Diop adds frontcourt depth, while Andres is a little redundant for us now, and we would all love to see Casspi and Greene get more time to develop. And, realistically, it is gonna be hard to sell Nocioni for expirings. I just don’t think he has enough to add to a “championship caliber” team. Why not trade him for something we need?
Diop is horrible though, especially on offense. I am not sure he is even as good as Armstrong. His only talent is collecting rebounds and putting a body on other big guys. He is HUGE. In that aspect, I would rather have him sitting at the end of the bench than Armstrong or May. Diop is like if Armstrong swallowed May.
All things being equal, Nocioni is a better player. But all things are not equal. Nocioni doesn’t deserve time over Omri and Donté. Diop adds depth to the frontcourt, and allows Petrie to use K9 and the chain gang for someone else. As in, K9, May, Armstrong for Dalembert. K9 and Beno for AK-47. Maybe even K9 in some combo with another team for Okafor.
So, yeah, I am not opposed to Diop for Nocioni. I think it is a worse case scenario, though.
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by Ice_9ine on Feb 1, 2010 10:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Your thought is not valid
You know that Diop’s 4th year is a player option right? Personally, I would prefer to just poor gasoline over $26.5 million dollars and then light it on fire, but that’s just me. I don’t care how redundant Nocioni is, this move would make the Raiders organization seem savy and logical compared to the Kings.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 1, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
any better options for Noc?
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by Ice_9ine on Feb 1, 2010 10:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
we don't know
but we can be pretty sure there aren’t any worse ones than Diop
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
i do agree, it is a worse case scenario, and I am not arguing for it
If that was the only trade possible, it still wouldn’t be great. But I am not as down on Diop as everyone else is. I think he still has some value.
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by Ice_9ine on Feb 1, 2010 10:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
yeah i have a better option
It’s called keeping Noc. I don’t care if he clogs up the lineup, then don’t play him. I would rather not play Noc and fork over $21,000,000 to him than play Diop five minutes and fork over 26,808,000 which includes over 7 million on our cap in 2012/2013 that would not be there if we kept Nocioni. I have never seen such a horrible trade idea.
If we can trade Noc that’s great so long as it kelps us (a) win games or (b) cut salary but I would think it illogical to trade for someone who won’t help win games (and Diop won’t) and would hurt our salaray cap AND cost more on top of that. If you think Diop adds depth then you must have thought Hilton Armstrong did too.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 1, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
I have never seen such a horrible trade idea.
Just wait. You’ll see so many horrible ideas mentioned on here that you will want to throw up all over yourself like you just downed a 1/5 of tequilla.
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tequila^
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Not if it's GOOD tequila...
Corrido Extra Anejo… mmmmmmmmmmm
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
ok ok I am sorry you are right
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by Ice_9ine on Feb 1, 2010 11:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Diop is a pretty good defender.
I know, I don’t want to add fuel to the pro-Diop fire, but I can’t hang the guy out to dry.
Also, the Jerryisms would be fantastic… "Ball couldn’t drop for Diop…. Big Stop Diop… Pop, lock and Diop it… the possibilities are endless.
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I think he is good too
Dallas made the conference finals with him starting half their games. Of course, they had enough offense that it wasn’t a big deal to play him.
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by Ice_9ine on Feb 1, 2010 12:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sac/Cha
K9,Armstrong,May for Chandler & Ajinca.
We take on 600,000 get two 7fters,they get ex. contracts & balance their team w/ PF & C`s.
Cap relief
Why did Memphis trade off Gasol for expirings?
Because Memphis got expiring contracts, 2 1st round picks from the Lakers, and the rights to Marc Gasol.
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Well
It was mostly for expirings, I believe. Looking back, Memphis knew the Lakers’ picks would end up in the 25-30 range. Marc Gasol was pretty much a late round throw-in, since he wasn’t proven at all (mid second round pick).
Yeah that deal has worked absolutely awful for Memphis.
I mean, they were well on their way to being a playoff team with Pau Gasol.
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Case of not appreciating what you've got...
Many of us bemoan JT a lot, but not sure it would make too much sense to trade him for any of these guys. The operative word is rebounds because that is what PW is emphasizing that the team sorely needs. Here are a few stats to look at the comparison of JT to Nazr and Chandler. Below are the MPG,Rebounds per 48 minutes, TO per 48 minutes, Height, and Birth year. Points and assists were not even considered:
MPG RB(48) TO(48) Ht Birth
Nazr 15 15.36 2.65 6’10 1977
Chandler 25 13.44 4.22 7’ 1982
JT 32.9 11.67 3.93 6’11 1986
Strictly from the point-of-view of rebounds, Nazr has the most per 48 minutes at 15.36. He also has the fewest TO’s for 48 minutes. Currently, he is only played for 15 MPG. He is an older veteran. He appears to be more of a specialty player, effective for short outings. Perhaps that has something to do with his age. Chandler compares more similarly to JT. He has more rebounds per minute but also more rebounds. Both Chandler are relatively young. Again, the total package including points per game and assists were not even considered here.
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He has more rebounds per minute but also more rebounds.
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 1, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Oops! I meant to say, "He has more rebounds per minute, but also more turnovers."
Points to you for reading this.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I thought about making it my sig, but thought that would be kinda mean.
I knew what you meant, honestly.
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 3, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Any trade
kings should be open to all trade offers but nobody on the bobcats is worth giving up jason.
Sorry - see that I should have previewed before I posted
This should be a little bit of improvement:
MPG RB(48) TO(48) Ht Birth
Nazr -—————15 -—-15.36 --2.65—-6’ 10—1977
Chandler -———25 -—13.44—4.22 —7’ -——1982
JT -——————-32.9—11.67—3.93 --6’11—-1986
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I also should have also hit the reply button, oh well.
See: Case of not appreciating what you’ve got… (above)
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Blech, no!
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They might as well say the Kings would be interested in any trade involving Dwight Howard or LeBron James
What a silly blurb form Amick.
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Doubt it
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Rumors last year had the Bobcats moving Wallace
He didn’t move. He sure as hell aint moving after his performance this year.
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Just say No to Gerald.
Just say no…..
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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I agree
Mostly I was kidding. But I think Wallace is hugely overrated. Although, we could probably play him at the 4 and get better interior defense and rebounding then we get now
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That's more of a statement on JT than it is about G-Dub unfortunately.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I don't think Gerald is overrated
I just think we’d have to give up too much to get him, and he doesn’t really fit a need unless we gave up quite a few wings. I loved the rumor of trading B52 for him last year, but that obviously never happened.
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How desperation made the trade rumors sink this low? It's like the Sunday funnies
The Kings leading rebounder for a) washed up b) limited at best c) never very good d) bad attitude and oft injured
play along at home and match them up:
1) Anjica 2) Chandler 3) Diop 4) Mohammed
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answers; a4 b3 c1 d2 thanks for playing! now can you find Waldo?
I got them all correct, what is my prize?
But, hey, Mohammed may still have a couple of years left in him.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
We have a star player with enough injury problems
we don’t need Chandler, k-9, Noc, May for Daiw and Diop, They get cap reliefe and a guy who can play the 3 or 4 next to Capt. Jack. He would not be asked to score a lot just to be tough and reb, but can drop 20 if someone is lagging. We get a great passer and Defender in Daiw and a good rebounder and moter that wont stop Pair Diop and the monster together we’d get 20 rebounds just from them too alone….
and it works in the Trade machine!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg3qjwg
K9 and Hilton Armstrong for Tyson Chandler
Why we do it? We need a defensive Center and Chandler can be that guy. We also don’t need a guy who’s in his 30’s, so Diop and Mohammed are out of the question. So, between Ajinca and Chandler, I think Chandler is the best talent increase.
Why they do it? Cap relief. They get rid of Chandler’s $11 mil/season contract.
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