Asinine Trade Thread, February 1st., Deadline approaching.

Last year around this time, I got a case of Nocionitis. I began to notice that I couldn’t pull my own weight at work anymore and yet was too slow and lethargic to keep up with everything around me. Doctor told me it could take between 3 and 4 more years for the side effects to go away.

About the proposed trade of the week:

I thought Songaila had two years left Is the second year a team option?

I included him because then NO cuts even more salary for next year so that cushions Beno’s (Noce’s) addittion. If Songaila is a team option next year, then I’d take Mo Pete or something. That way we wouldn’t need to sweeten the pot. We’ll be taking 2 contracts from them, and getting them two expirings and a good (overpriced) G

So here’s my trade:
Trade Machine Link

Kings get:
Tyrus Thomas, Kirk Hinrich

Bulls get:
Noce, Sergio, Hilton Armstrong

Why Kings do it:
We get Tyrus Thomas and another veteran guard to help mentor Tyreke/Donte.

Why Bulls do it:
They get Noce back, who seems to fit better than Tyrus within their system and they also get out from under Hinrich’s inflated deal.

Should we do this?
Probably not, but I have always kind of liked Kirk Hinrich, probably just when he played at Kansas. I’d like to see Tyrus in a Kings uniform and I’d rather have Hinrich than Noce, especially with Cisco coming back.

Celtics get Brockman, K9, Armstorong, and Cisco

New Orleans gets Kevin, Shelden, Big Baby Davis

Kings get Ray, Scalabrine, and Okafor.

Great so next year we have no SG’s, we have to take on an additional 5.6M worth of salary this year which puts us over cap space, but we will have 22.1 million in EC so we can go after the FA’s who will not want to be here unless we can trade for em and make em be here. Petrie will love that with all the MLE’s he can sign with it

Lakers need a PG, and have been inquiring about Hinrich.

Sixers want to dump Dalembert and get some expiring money, as well as lower payroll.

Kings need a defensive-minded center.

Trade Machine Link

Kings get Dalembert and Shannon Brown
Lakers get Beno Udrih and Royal Ivey
Sixers get Nocioni and Adam Morrison

Kings do it because they get out from two long-term deals and get a big man who will be expiring next year and a young guard with upside.

Lakers do it because they deal two relatively useless pieces for a very useful third guard that can play both guard positions.

Sixers do it because it saves them about $1 mil this year and about $5 mil next year, and then Nocioni’s deal is cheaper in 2011-2012 (around $6.65 mil) when he’ll be expiring.

This deal also works with the Lakers keeping Brown and the Kings taking Ivey instead, but I chose to do it this way. Either way works.

it will cost them around the same amount i suppose but it would hurt their cap for one extra year

Kings get Eric Gordon and Samuel Dalembert
79ers get Kevin Martin and Ray Allen, the Celtic’s 2010 pick, and cash
Clippers get Andre Iguodala and Kendrick Perkins
Boston gets Andres Nocioni, Marcus Camby, Sebastian Telfair, and Kenny Thomas

i think the kings should go after andrew bynum, regardless of his huge salary

i think he would be as useful (or even more useful) than any FA we could get this offseason or next (yes that includes bosh)

bynum is a perfect fit with hawes or thompson, as bynum can easily protect our paint which a bosh, boozer, or stoudemire cannot do
also, bynum looks to me like he is becoming a player like shaq was in his prime on the offensive end…without hogging the ball to do so

Kings trade Kevin Martin, Jason Thompson, Donte Greene, Kenny Thomas, and their pick to the Clippers for Eric Gordon, Blake Griffin, Chris Kaman.

LO- You gave away 3 main pieces, for an injured guy, an expiring and a good center.

Blake hasn’t even played an NBA game and you wanna give away JT for him basically.

Gordon: 16.7 2.9 .356
Kmart: 21.9 2.9 .402

hmmm no contest there

I could see K9 and Donte for Kaman but the rest hell no! Or if they want to get under cap add in some additional pieces

Kings deal:
Martin, Nocioni, Armstrong, May

Celtics deal:
Allen, Perkins, Walker

Why for the Kings – Free up a ton of money for a FA splash while getting the interior defensive presence we’ve been looking for.

Why of the Celtics – They get a bona fide replacement to Allen who’s younger, cheaper and locked up. Nocioni adds depth at the forward(a need) and HA and May replace some back-up minutes now found with Perkins exiting. Rasheed now starts at the 5.

Kings trade Armstrong and Martin, 2nd rounder to Philly

Sixers trade Dalembert, Holiday, and 1st round pick

It would shore up the Kings big man problem and his name recognition alone would sell out maybe 20-25 games.

Hughes is not happy, and it looks like the Knicks are looking to deal so lets make a deal

Bulls want to rid themselves of long term contract and probably get Noc back.and rumors they would be willing to ship Deng.Lets make a deal

Kings desperately need a right now Starting C, Back up PF and for those of you out there(Not me) who want to sell Kmart high(And not in the B.Miller way)..lets make a deal

Knicks get Kmart, L.Deng and May (Great start for building a new team next year)
Bulls get Noc, K9, HA and Sergio (Noc and EC)
Kings get TT, Salmons, Hughes and Lee(with a pre-signed extension)

Yes we take back on Salmons, but we get Hughes which is a big EC(13.6), But we also get that Great big white center we need and a 1/2 year look at TT as backup to JT (Or starter if JT doesn’t get out of his funk)

Chicago loses 2 of their “Big Contracts” In Salmons and Deng and picks up Noc and bang they have 40M+ in EC’s to start dealing now or for FA next year.

New York gets rid of Hughes, gets Kmart and Deng in trade which is huge for them and their fans, get long term talent to build around and they still got plenty of FA money or trade bait (Harrington I am looking at you)

Here’s a LINK for the Trade

 and BTW take out Sean May to Knicks(They would be at 16 players) or have them send us Landry

but it is such a perfect deal, it must be re-posted!!! Geoff could be trolling these boards :)

At first I was thinking only from SAC perspective, and desire to unload JT, and add big man talent, which this all does. But I think it is a win-win trade for both teams. JT could effective cleaning up the boards around Howard. He would never be asked to post up, which is a good thing. Nocionni would be effective returning to Eastern conference backing up Vince Carter.

To SAC
Marcin Gortat – C (Age 25)
Brandon Bass – F (Age 24)
Adonal Foyle

To ORL
JT (Age 23)
Nocionni (Age 30)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yj8zpxa

The Magic over-value their assets so they probably say ‘no’ to this deal. But fact is Gortat and Bass are wallowing on end of bench, whereas they could get two guys in this deal who could play effective spot minutes. From our end, we improve our rebounding and skill level immediately. And we solidify our center position for 5+ years.

Basically a Beno, K9, and Nocioni trade for McGrady’s expiring deal.

It rids us of 2 longer term deals, although it really leaves the salary cap space untouched as the salaries are within about $500,000 or so.

KMart,JT,K9 & May for Jefferson,Hollins,Pecherov & either Brewer or Ellington.
Both deals work in trade machine,Ellington deal saves us 5 mil.
Minn gets Kmart,JT& Exp. contracts.We get Jefferson to start w/ Hawes,two young 7 footers & a young SG.

Smaller scale trade that helps both teams IMO. Brandon Bass, Anthony Johnson, & Ryan Anderson for Andres Nocioni & Jon Brockman. Noce fits Orlandos system perfect. Brockman gives them another rebounding machine when Howard is out of the game. Anthony Johnson has no roll playing behind Nelson & J-Will. We can wave Johnson. Bring in the hometown kid who is also a young piece to our rebiuld. Brandon Bass is a young PF who doesn’t fit Orlandos system & cuts Nocioni’s deal by $3+ mil. This also doesn’t include Martin or cripples our future. Actually saves us a few mil.

Everyone is high on trading Martin, so let’s for a moment assume that Petrie is has his doubts about the Evans/Martin combo himself. Here you go:

To Philly: Martin, Thomas & Udrih
To Sacramento: Iguodala, Dalembert

Why Sac does it: Petrie doubts that Martin/Evans can work, Dalembert stabilizes the frontcourt, Iguodala is very durable and a super athlete, Evans/Iguodala is quite possibly the biggest, most athletic backcourt in the league

Why Philly does it: Cap relief from K9, get a cheaper, shorter (1 year) contract in Martin than Iguodala, earlier ability to draw free agents

Have you seen the kings play D lately? Horrible. Athletics team like the hawks and bobcats kill us. Iggy would bring some much needed athleticism and D.

Did u see his attempted recverse layup last night ahahha. When he got booed. Pretty athletic

SAC gets Tayshaun Prince
DET gets Andres Nocioni and Hilton Armstrong.

Why Sac does this: Defensive big man, anyone? Prince can get the LBJ’s, the Melo’s and the Wades as well as the Pau Gasols, the Dirk Noqitzkis and the Garnett’s.
Why Det does this: Rebuilding, anyone? Dumars’ crew is strangely disjointed and Noce and Armstrong seem like they might fit in nicely with Ben Wallace, Charlie Villanueva, Jonas Jrebko, Chris Wilcox and Jason Maxiell.

Kings get:
Steve Blake, Jeff Pendergraph, Patty Mills

Blazers get:
Beno Udrih

Why we trade for Steve Blake (and the others):
Blake expires for 4 Mil this offseason
Pendergraph plays with Brock-like intensity and can board with the best of them when he plays (and we did draft him and then trade him so it would make for a nice awkward reuinion)
Mills was intriguing in college and maybe could be a servicable rotation player one day, but we could stick him in the D-League (or however that works)

This is also contingent on other trades, but Portland would be free to explore trading AM24 and still be set at point and let’s be real: Beno is good but the contract is terrible and he’s not going to be a difference maker on this team going forward.

I’d rather use some of our cap space to resign our young guys early before they hit the open market and someone else can pay them more; we have a tough enough time getting impact FA’s to come to SAC so it’s better to build from within. Hopefully Pendergraph and Brockman’s D compliments Shock and Hawes’s O and in a few years they form a formidable frontcourt rotation.

Or this is just a really pointless trade with the biggest name being Steve Blake, either one.

4 Team Deal: Kings, Nets, Celtics, and Bulls.

This trade DOES work in the machine…

w/out lee:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg4p9yh%22%20target=%22new%22

w/Courtney Lee:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfqdyhw

IMO, the only player who is at all untouchable is Brook Lopez. Below I broke it down by team and gave the reasons for why I think the deal works for that team.

Sacramento Kings:

Kings give up 7 players: SG) Kevin Martin, C) Jason Thompson, F) Andres Nocioni, G) Beno Udrih, F) John Brockman, G) Sergio Rodriguez, and PF) Kenny Thomas.

The Kings get 5 players for the 7 they give up: C) Brook Lopez, SG) Ray Allen, G) Kirk Hinrich, C) Jerome James, and PF) Brian Scalabrine.

They do it because:
For the Kings this makes sense on many levels. 3 of the 5 players are expiring which would give the Kings $28.7M in expiring contracts for next off-season. Yes, we take a hit on Hinrich’s contract ($3M more than Beno), but we get comparable production. Obviously, Brook Lopez would be the reason for this trade. The addition of Lopez would allow Spencer Hawes to slide to the 4. The departure of Noc would make room for both Greene and Casspi. Garcia would get most of his minutes at the backup 2.

SO, the new Starting 5 would be: 1)Evans, 2)Allen (until the off-season), 3)Greene, 4)Hawes, 5)Lopez

Bench: Hinrich, Garcia, Casspi, Udoka, May, Scalabrine, James, and Armstrong.

This can be altered with pieces going to different places and also will work with all the same pieces but w/NJ also sending Courtney Lee to Boston. It also allows the Kings to keep the draft picks.

New Jersey Nets:

Nets give up 4 players: C) Brook Lopez, SF) Trenton Hassell, C) Tony Battie, and SF) Bobby Simmons.

The Nets get 4 players for the 5 they give up: SG) Kevin Martin, C) Jason Thompson, C) Brad Miller, and G/F) John Salmons.

They do it because:
The Nets are the team I think would have trouble with this trade because with bigs like Howard, KG, Perkins, Beasley, etc. in the East, Lopez is rightfully coveted.

However, I DO believe NJ would have to take a LONG-HARD-LOOK at this deal, if it was offered because they would be getting JT for him while putting Kevin Martin in the backcourt with Devin Harris. Also to soften the blow, they would get a rental of Brad Miller and a year of Salmons at the 3. This helps because Martin, Thompson, Miller, and Salmons are familiar with each other from being here in Sac.

New Starting 5: 1)Harris, 2)Martin, 3)Yi Jianlian/Salmons, 4)Thompson, and 5)Miller.

If anyone, this would be the team to kill this deal.

Boston Celtics:

Celtics give up 2 players: SG) Ray Allen and PF) Brian Scalabrine.

The Celtics get 4 players for the 2 they give up: PF) Tyrus Thomas, F) Andres Nocioni, F) John Brockman, and G) Sergio Rodriguez. (And possibly Courtney Lee but I doubt it)

They do it because:
Boston would benefit by eliminating Ray Allen’s contract while addressing almost every need they have immediately. It solves the injury issues up front and once Wallace and Garnett return healthy, they will have the deepest frontcourt in the NBA between KG, Sheed, Perkins, Tyrus Thomas, Nocioni, Brockman, Glen Davis, and Shelden Williams.

People say they want a comparable replacement for Ray Allen, but honestly Marquis Daniels is good enough to start for them.

New Starting 5: 1)Rondo, 2)Daniels/(Lee), 3)Nocioni, 4)Thomas, 5)Perkins. And yeah, that’s before Sheed and KG get back.

Chicago Bulls:

Bulls give up 5 players: PF) Tyrus Thomas, G) Kirk Hinrich, C) Brad Miller, G/F) John Salmons, and C) Jerome James.

The Bulls get 5 players for the 5 they give up: G) Beno Udrih, SF) Bobby Simmons, PF) Kenny Thomas, C) Tony Battie, and SF) Trenton Hassell.

They do it because:
So we’ve all read about the Tyrus Thomas situation in Chicago. This deal allows the Bulls to get rid of him AND swap Hinrich for a better player (Udrih) for less money.

If that wasn’t reason enough, they gain $30.8M worth of expiring contracts! Basically, they get the cap space needed to go after the pieces they want to put around Rose, Deng, and Noah. (They could want Sean May included)

New Starting 5: 1)Udrih, 2)Rose, 3)Deng, 4)Thomas (woof!), 5)Noah

I know this has no chance of getting done, if for no other reason, because we are the Kings and things don’t normally go like that for us. But it does make all teams involved better.

So yeah, go ahead and shred me for this, lol!!!

If kings land #1 pick, they trade it to the Nets in a package with Spencer for their pick and Brook Lopez.

Nets then are free to trade Devin Harris for a swingman or another big, or in a huge deal to utilize their capspace and bring some ballers.

Kings receive Kendrick Perkins, Eric Gordon, Blake Griffin, Ricky Davis
Clippers receive Ray Allen, Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, King’s 2010 1st round pick
Boston receives Marcus Camby, Kevin Martin, Andres Nocioni

So how about this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Martin, May, & JT for K-Love, Sessions, Cardinal, & maybe draft rights to Rubio( Rubio throw-in might be assinine but the rest makes sense)
I couldn’t figure out how to do multiple player trades on trade machine(didn’t really try honestly) but then we trade K9, Cardinal, & Nocioni to Philly for Dalembert & Iggy.
Line-up would be Tyreke, Iggy, Dante, Love, & Dalembert. With Sessions, Beno, Cisco, Omri & Hawes off the bench. Or Sessions, Tyreke, Iggy, Love, & dalembert with Beno, Cisco, Omri, Dante, & Hawes off the bench.

King receive Eric Gordon, Al Jefferson, DeAndre Jordan
Clippers receive Corey Brewer, Donte Greene, Minnesota’s 2010 first round pick
Minnesota receives Kevin Martin, Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, King’s 2010 first round pick