Quick Poll
by Exhibit G on Feb 11, 2010 3:08 PM PST
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Consider the following two players:
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Player |
G |
FG |
FGA |
FG% |
3P |
3PA |
3P% |
FT |
FTA |
FT% |
ORB |
DRB |
TRB |
AST |
STL |
BLK |
TO |
PTS |
|
A |
47 |
348 |
756 |
46.00% |
24 |
92 |
26.10% |
235 |
298 |
78.90% |
45 |
179 |
224 |
241 |
73 |
22 |
135 |
955 |
|
B |
51 |
166 |
388 |
42.8 |
101 |
243 |
41.60% |
39 |
49 |
79.60% |
26 |
233 |
259 |
472 |
93 |
28 |
121 |
472 |
(If you're not seeing the full stats, expand to the wide view of the home page.)
Player identities revealed after the jump. But if you look before voting you're a cheater and people won't like you very much.
Player A is our very own Tyreke Evans.
Player B is Jason Kidd, who is reportedly going to be replacing Bryant in the All-Star Game.
My gut reaction was that the NBA was going with a name that casual fans would recognize. I feel like they're blowing an opportunity to give additional exposure to an up-and-coming star. I even went so far as to say that Kidd in the All-Star Game was as bad as McGrady and Iverson. The stats, however, made a compelling case, and I was curious how blind voting would turn out.
Stats courtesy of Basketball Reference.
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I think he has non-refundable tickets to beat up his wife in Hawaii.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Feb 11, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
it's funny because it's true
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
If you were married to her (and he isn't anymore), you would want to beat her up too.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Lame
This is the Ron-Ron defense in action.
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
Also, I'd say that Monta deserves to go
but I don’t fucking like Monta, so screw him!
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by vfettke on Feb 11, 2010 3:10 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree- should have been Ellis.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
I disagree
1) He’s injured so it probably wouldn’t be a good idea anyway.
2) Monta and Tyreke have almost identical stats. However, Monta gets the Nelly stat boost and takes 6 more shots a game than Tyreke. They shoot at the same percentage. If Tyreke took the extra six shots he’d have the same number of points as Monta.
3) Tyreke’s on the better team
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Dwyer's respons on BDL:
Jason Kidd. Love his play, but Jason Kidd?
(But he can throw a lob, Kelly!)
Just stop it. You see, there’s this kid out in Sacramento that I don’t think you’ve seen play yet …
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Nice
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 11, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Haha Epic.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 11, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
Heh.
I figured out Player A pretty easily. A glance at FG% and 3P% pretty much gives it away. Good perspective though.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
Yeah, I figured Tyreke would be obvious
The bigger idea I was going for was whether my reaction was based on reality, or on the name of Jason Kidd.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
I heard about Kidd on the radio
So I figured that is who it was. And Tyreke was obvious with the 26.1 3P%, yet his FG% isn’t pulled down by it much since he’s ridiculous at the rim.
Bigger reason to me in my opinion as to why Kidd was selected is because he plays for Dallas. Dallas is hosting.
Tyreke deserved to go more, but he’ll be an All-Star for years. I’m not too worried about it.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Just curious.
What rookies have made the all-star game, if any? As a subset of that, how many rookies have made it in as subs?
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
Jordan and Duncan off the top of my head.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
was Yao voted in?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm...
I’ll have to check.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
yup
Yao was an allstar his rookie year
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
He was.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
so was Shaq
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
and David Robinson
(Noticing a theme of big men for the most part)
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
The Dream
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
We had this discussion here a few weeks ago and the bottom line is a lot of great rookies don’t get in. And yes Yao was voted in his rookie year, hi China!
I wouldn’t worry about Tyreke, he will have plenty of all star appearances.
by OrangeLazarus on Feb 11, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Has a lot to do with the Rookie-Sophmore challenge
If they already have that recognition, less reason to recognize them again.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 11, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
And don't forget
the Shooting Stars competition. He might not even have the energy for the All Star game after that.
It would be nice for Tyreke to be the first rookie guard to make it to the ASG
although I’m sure Jordan didn’t get in because all the other guards were injured. But I’ll take whatever I can get
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But LaBron wasn't . . . .
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 11, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
which reinforced a pretty well established precendence
that the team has to have a decent to winning record for a rookie to be named an allstar
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
I'm more glad Iverson isn't playing
And David Lee got in.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Class...maybe
he probably realized he shouldn’t be there so he gracefully backed out???
They wouldn't even invite Ellis to HORSE
They’re not going to invite him to the ASG.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
That, btw, is a travesty.
Some things they really should consult with Bill Simmons about.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
A lot of flights are cancelled due to the weather so Monta would have to drive
Not sure how a moped would fair in the snow
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Monta
was already booked for the All-Star Moped Classic.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 11, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Another thing to note
Kobe was voted as an All-Star Starter along with Steve Nash. Jason Kidd finished 3rd in the West among guards.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
That's a good point
Couple that with the fact that Dallas is hosting, and I can’t see them picking anybody else.
That has more to do with his name
Well that has everything to do with his name doesn’t it. All star voters have kind of proven themselves to be inept at this point.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
I chose E, Andres Nocioni.
But I have a feeling he would have gotten just 2 votes.
There can only be one Noce!
Andres is going to go play in the All-Superstar Event
Its a 1 on 1 game with Eric Maynor.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Jon Brockman is the referee.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Jesus and Chuck Norris are the coaches.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
What kind of coach would Jesus be?
Focus on defense like Larry Brown? Offense like Mike D’Antoni? Triangle like Phil? Princeton like Adelman?
Pretty sure Chuck Norris would focus on roundhouse kicks to cause turnovers and start fastbreaks.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
"turning the other cheek" is a poor defensive strategy
but his offense is miraculous.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 11, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this
made me giggle
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
Jesus is the next Mike D'Antoni
Turning the other cheek leads to a lot of charges. So it is arguable as not a bad strategy.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
hard to keep your eye on the ball
with all that cheek turning.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 11, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
Jesus's teams never foul
and they draw a lot of charges.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
the 12 apostles would be one hell of a basketball squad
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
oh wait a second, that's not Paul Gaol and John Stockton?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
He'd use
the Hail Mary offense. Get the rebound and throw it 93 feet and pray.
On traveling calls, he’d say “Forgive us our trespasses.”
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 11, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
I thought for a minute you neglected to put the assists.
But then I saw them in the expanded view.
I think you still make a good point. Kid’s in the discussion, anyway, and might have made it if he wasn’t already in the Rookie Game.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 11, 2010 4:48 PM PST reply actions
If he wasn't in the Rookie game
Then how would he have been good enough to be in the ASG?
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
The point is
he’s already on the Rookie team. Next year.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 11, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Stern hates bad teams
No Tyreke, no Monta Ellis, no Danny Granger, no Al Jefferson, it even took David Lee AI’s absence to make it, even though Al Horford was in right away.
by White Brocklate on Feb 11, 2010 4:48 PM PST reply actions
He put Kaman in.
When Boozer was having a better year on a better team.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Kaman plays in a much larger market??? (LA)
As opposed to SLC.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 11, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
Everybody Hates Carlos
Awesome new show.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
How is Danny Granger not an All-Star?
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
He missed 17 games and is only shooting 40% from the field?
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 11, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
sounds like a good reason to not be an all star
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Comparing "season stat totals"
without including “total minutes” renders such stats useless.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Kidd had 4 more games to put those numbers up as well.
Kidd has played 1836 minutes
Evans has played 1735 minutes
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Thanks
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
LOL
Now I’m getting credit for G’s stuff. It’s like Casspi getting credit for Reke’s assist.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I think they're hinting that I leave
StR is left in good hands :)
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Also
This KY ad in the background is annoying.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Product overrated.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
Blame SBN for being a business.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Being completely unbiased...
I voted player B. A slight advantage to player A in terms of FG%, but it’s quite clear that player A has a MUCH higher usage rate than B, though. What got it for me was the 3pt% and assists (especially the a/t ratio). Player B clearly led in those categories and seemed to be more of a complete player than Player A, though, Player A does have a better mid-range/close range game.
Now, before this board totally flames me over this. In no way am I bashing Evans. I’m just letting the stats given speak for itself.
I was a little hesitant to say this at first, but so did I.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
me too
same reasons
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 11, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
ditto
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I should have looked closer.
I thought it was another aspect of the Troy Murphy vote. If I had looked closer, I would have realized that one of those players was not Murphy or Donte. Whoops.
Yeah, it’s dumb the NBA won’t put in Tyreke in the AS game, but that’s the NBA for you.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Also it's equally dumb David Stern didn't consider Russell Westbrook instead.
I’m not so angry at that as I wonder why Kidd really belongs given that he is no longer an All-Star.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Well
A bunch of locals have been arguing to get Kidd on the team, since he’s a hometown favorite. So, there’s obviously some slant in favor of Kidd, too.
Here's the only thing I see with Kidd being on the team
Rather than putting RW0 instead of Reke, why not leave both off the team? Screw both equally. That’s the only thing I can think of that MIGHT justify putting Kidd on the team.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Wow...
I just checked Russel Westbrook’s stat line. He’s having an awesome year and I didn’t even know it. Talk about flying under the radar..
…And Pookey, it’s not all just about stats. You have to realize that the All-Star game is a popularity contest as evidenced by Iverson being voted in and McGrady almost getting in.
yeah but that's the popular vote
This is Stern’s pick. He doesn’t have to act like the idiots who voted in Iverson and McGrady.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 12, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
You're right, Stern doesn't have to act like those idiots
He is an idiot.
Before reading anything
I thought you were comparing Tyrus thomas to Troy Murphy. Damn that trade deadline!!
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
That makes a lot of sense to me too.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Blocks were way too low
That’s a dead give away.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Definitely no reason for Kidd to be there.
The only reason he’s there is because the event is in Dallas. Tyreke will have plenty of AS appearances before his career is up though so no need to stress about year one.
This body holding me, reminds me of my own mortality, embrace this moment, remember, we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion-MJKeenan
yes, but Tyreke will be in Dallas too
just not a hometown favorite and the stands may not be as filled if the planes are grounded
by betweentheeyes on Feb 11, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
that's what I meant, he's the hometown boy.
This body holding me, reminds me of my own mortality, embrace this moment, remember, we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion-MJKeenan
This is absurd
Kidd is better at every category, except FG%. If you multiply the assists by 2 (as every assist leads to at least 2 points) and add the amount you get to the points, it’s practically even. The bias here is skyrocketing.
And don’t forget that Kidd is leading a West contender while Evans is leading a reeling squad, to put it nicely. Tyreke will be an all-star in the future, don’t waste your time and effort on fighting this war. Derrick Rose wasn’t an all-star last year either.
The Dude abides
Thanks Cuban
This body holding me, reminds me of my own mortality, embrace this moment, remember, we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion-MJKeenan
by kangsfan on Feb 12, 2010 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the real question is if Kidd is having a All-Star year this year..not what he has done in the past. What about this year? IMO its questionable. His 9 assists are impressive.
Think about this though… I find it interesting that his name had not really ever come up in previous discussions about replacements. When had anyone mentioned Kidd as a replacment? When CP3 got hurt, the players under discussion were Billups, Evans, Ellis and Aaron Brooks. I even saw OJ Mayo mentioned in some articles. I would be fine with any of those guys.
My point is that if Kidd was having such a great “all-star caliber” year, then why had he not been mentioned before? If I’m wrong please tell me. It just seems straight out of left field to throw Kidd in the game, since he is from Dallas. Odd? Yes.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
In the end... with Reke winning MVP for the rookie team, he got his name in the All-Star book.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
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