What Happened to Jason Thompson, and Why I'm Not Worried
Outside of an unnamed shooting guard, Jason Thompson has perhaps been the source of greatest consternation among Kings fans this season.
Last spring, Thompson was seen as a vital cog in the Machine of Tomorrow for the Kings -- the power forward that'd protect Spencer Hawes down low, that'd help give Sacramento its long sought after mean streak, that'd be a rock of consistency for the next decade. And Thompson started this season brilliantly, among the best players under the age of 23 anywhere in the league, and a nightly savior in the paint. At one point, ESPN rated Thompson the second best performer from the Class of 2008, behind only Brook Lopez.
Things changed, somewhere around late December or early January. Thompson began slipping into early foul trouble, it seemed. He missed more bunnies than ever. His 18-foot jumper abandoned him. His rebounding slipped, his frustration grew, and his role as the frontcourt's top minute-soaker shrunk. And at the same time -- perhaps related, perhaps a cause, perhaps an effect -- the team went from Surprise of the Year to third-worst in the West.
What happened?
Plenty happened, actually. Let's look at how Thompson's per-minute production has changed over the course of the season. We'll use per-36 to create fairly normal looking numbers. The x axis here represents the course of the season -- Games 1 through 50 for J.T. The stock market-y lines are the actual data points for the given stat on a game-to-game basis. The solid, thicker lines represent a linear regression of the given stat over the course of the season. For these lines, a negative (downward) slope means J.T. generally produced less in that category as the season went on. A postive (upward) slope mean J.T. generally produced more in that category as the season progressed.
As the season has gone on, J.T. has shot a bit more frequently, taken more defensive rebounds and (surprise!) been called for fouls more frequently. His per-minute offensive rebounding numbers have decreased somewhat.
GameScore (denoted in red on the graph) is a Hollinger stat based on PER. You'll notice that while his other per-36 numbers haven't changed dramatically, his GameScore has. To explain that, a second graph:
J.T.'s field goal percentage has seriously trailed off as the season has wore on. Over the season's first 31 games, Shock shot 50.2 percent from the field. In 19 of those games, he shot 50 percent or better.
In the last 17 games (not including last week's back-to-back in New York and Detroit; sorry, compiled the stats last week)? Just 37.7 percent shooting for Thompson, with only three games at or above 50 percent from the field.
That's huge! If you take 10 (two-point) shots and you're shooting 50 percent, you can figure to score 10 points. At 37.7 percent, you're looking at 7-8 points. That's huge!
Is it the cause of Sacramento's notable slide, which began right around the time J.T. began struggling from the field? Well, no. Many things caused the Kings slide. Thompson's struggles may have contributed; to what extent, I have no idea. We can, though, look at each prominent King's won-loss field goal percentage splits, to see if perhaps the team's fortunes and J.T.'s shooting has an inordinate strong correlation.
| Player | FG% in Ws | FG% in Ls | Delta |
| Evans | .455 | .464 | -.009 |
| Thompson | .493 | .445 | +.048 |
| Casspi | .465 | .473 | -.008 |
| Udrih | .552 | .459 | +.093 |
| Hawes | .538 | .452 | +.086 |
| Nocioni | .433 | .391 | +.042 |
| Martin | .484 | .379 | +.105 |
| Greene | .509 | .432 | +.077 |
| TEAM | .481 | .445 | +.036 |
You'll notice that the fortunes of the team are more closely aligned with the shooting performance (good and bad) of players other than Thompson: Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih, Spencer Hawes and Donte Greene. J.T., like those four, does shoot quite a bit better in wins as opposed to losses. But the correlation (binary, admittedly) is stronger for the others.
(Of course, it's worth mentioning the complex relationships here. If, say, Evans shoots poorly in a first half, he'll continue to shoot in the second. If Greene shoots poorly, he's likely to make way for Casspi, Nocioni or Ime Udoka. Thompson is a bit in between: no other big man but Hawes is likely to take many shots either way. So if Thompson misses four straight to open a game, he's still likely to take four more. There's also the matter of offensive rebounds; Thompson and Jon Brockman have better opportunities than anyone else to get a non-playcall shot off due to the offensive glass.)
(Note #2: I'd ignore Martin's split for now, if only because he's been a part of so few wins -- four -- that the data is extremely noisy. There's certainly some cause-and-effect somewhere in there; in other words, the team's fortunes and Martin's shooting were clearly related in several games, most notably the narrow Charlotte defeats. But the split seen above almost assuredly overstates the correlation due to sample sizing.)
So where does this leave us? Thompson is going to get minutes, he must. He's the team's best rebounder outside of Brockman, and a vital player stylistically for the offense. Paul Westphal has (rightfully) shown a degree of confidence in J.T. exceeding that of the team's other young big man (Hawes). Thompson will always get minutes, and due to his role he'll always get shots. Making them obviously helps the team. And no one would dream of arguing Thompson is trying to miss his attempts. Two-point field goal percentage is among the most volatile statistics, night-to-night and week-to-week and season-to-season, in the game. Let's hope it picks back up to near 50 percent for Thompson, because that helps the team stand a better chance of winning, and Thompson of ensuring his place among the brightest of Sacramento's future.
If it doesn't, I hope J.T. will avoid frustration and rebound and defend and pass and set screens like the demon we know he is.
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I'm not too worried about JT or Hawes
I don’t think either of them needs to be replaced, now. They probably just need some help to take some of the pressure off. They are all we have & they know that so when they don’t perform well it seems like it really bothers them. Bothers them so much that it further affects their game. Taking a little pressure off, while giving them some competition, & a not so short leash would do them some good. I’m not saying make a trade now. I wouldn’t mind it as long as it doesn’t cripple us but the draft is full of big men that probably won’t be overwelmingly better to start. That would give all three a level playing field to share.
I love beating dead horses.
I think some legit competition might help
Tough I’ve never been really convinced that the pair of JT/Hawes is a realistic future contender pairing. Neither attacks the basket on a constant basis and I’m one who believes you’ve got to have a frontline player who truly can play at the rim.
Whether I’m right or wrong in the end I’ll repeat my ‘we need more options’ ‘we have too many eggs in that basket’ mantras.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting how 'Though' turned into 'tough'
But I’m eating my lunch
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly
I think the line that needs fixing is FGAs. I don’t think we should run much low post offense for either JT or Spencer at this point, a couple of sets per game max, because neither are ready for it.
In NY JT did a great job of playing to his strengths: tough rebounding (even some defensive boards!), put backs, punishing teams for ignoring him, etc. He needs to do those things consistently and keep being a great garbage guy as he develops the rest of his game.
I also wish I could figure out what we were doing at the start of the season that JT got so many assists that we’re not doing now. I remember being surprised at how well JT was moving the ball to start the year, but we don’t seem to make that happen anymore.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
regarding the field goal attempts
that may have to do with the frustration. He gets tunnel vision at times when he gets frustrated and attacks no matter how many defenders are around him.
I think it was just dumb luck Gras.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think JT contracted Hawes-itis
The same snake that bit Hawes bit him square on the bee hind. I cringe every time JT puts the ball on the floor. More often than not it ends up in a TO. It’s OK to admit the main reason the Kings are losing so much is because of a deficiency at the 4 an 5 positions.
I agree KingsFan
I can’t stand when I see JT or Hawes get the ball wide open in the post, take unnecessary dribbles or dribble, which gives the defense time to react, & either turn it over or go up soft & miss or get blocked. Get the pass or rebound, go up, & THROW IT DOWN BIG MAN!
I love beating dead horses.
This
Sometimes the D doesn’t even have to react- they’ll find a defender to crash in to if one isn’t readily available! Glad I’m not the only one irked by this.
We have several players that suffer from crash in to the defender(s) syndrome. I’m all for attacking the rim, but there’s a time when just taking the pull up/face up j is the better play. And they can get free lessons for this just by watching the (bad pun alert) “king” of this- Beno.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Agreed
A lot of the time it seems like JT decides he’s going to put it on the floor and attack before he’s even caught the ball vs. catching the ball, taking a breath and at least attempting to read the defense before attacking.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
If Thompsons' offense doesn't come back around....
…he’s no better than a 3rd big for us going forward. He’ll still be a solid player, but the franchise 4 we hoped for he will not be. IF his offense DOES come back around like it was earlier, then he may be in that LMA echelon of PF’s.
Ah my T-Zilly has come back to me......
Through the mirror of my mind
Time after time
I see reflections of you and me
Reflections of
The way life used to be
Reflections of
The love you took from me
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
As a side note and a casual observation
I think the difference between JT is that he shot the ball from mid range with a lot more confidence early on. He figured out how to face up and raise over defenders without much problem. For whatever reason he’s lost that confidence since. Be nice if he could get it back because I don’t see him really ever developing a classic back to the back basket game. (To be fair, Tim Duncan doesn’t really have that either. But, he is the best face up post player in the history of the game too.)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't know if he has or not but
for some reason I picture him with a headband, Knee-high striped socks, & some John Stocktons(short shorts) :)
I love beating dead horses.
Eek. Hell no.
I do baggy shorts, a t-shirt with the arms cut off. Fat boys don’t play ball though.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
He weights less than I do.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Here's another JT chart
Based on per-36 stats, and sorted by number of minutes played in a game. I’ve highlighted the ones that I think are very telling.

Whenever you think it can't possibly happen, it probably just did.
That's really small
I know, TWSS. Link to biggified version here.
Whenever you think it can't possibly happen, it probably just did.
Your point I think sort of understates something Ron Artest was good at.
Artest could be 1-8 for a game to start and end up with a 50 shooting percentage. It was uncanny. Unfortunately, there was too many games where Artest ended up 35 or 40 percent too.
Your point that I think Jt’s activity helps make him better because I think opponents wear down is a great one doog.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Best evidence I'm seen on how fouls affect JT
When he fouls early, his minutes are less and his points are less. But, as his fouls go down and his minutes go up, his rebounds go down. But, that may be due to the negative effect of adjusting to 36 minutes.
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I also noticed the drop in rebounding rate at the upper levels of playing time. There is also a dropoff in rate of blocks at those upper levels. To me, those have always been hustle/energy plays, which makes me wonder if his energy drops as he plays extended minutes in a game. It looks like his sweet spot for these energy plays is around 30 minutes per game.
I also keyed in on the effect fouls have on JT. We’ve all seen him get in a mental funk and perform very poorly when he gets in early foul trouble – and I think that all of these stats clearly demonstrate the negative effect this has on his game.
Lastly, looking at the W/L column bears out TZ’s observation: there seems to be no direct correllation between JT’s playing time/production and the W/L column. That’s not to say that his performance (good or bad) does not contribute to the outcome (win or loss) – only that there are more significant factors at play.
Whenever you think it can't possibly happen, it probably just did.
Ziller-charts welcome back
This is a new demonstration of his production drop off, but JT has lost confidence in more than his offensive game. I believe defensively he has come to expect more from himself and the frustration of a disappointing lack of improvement has fogged his view.
Perhaps it is the coaching staff trying to get JT to be a more complete player – a better defender that has led JT to the current quagmire. He is still a fouling machine.
Which is why, unlike TZ claims
I AM worried…
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Early in the season, when JT was producing Tyreke hadn't taken over yet.
I think some of the negative opinion on JT’s performance is due to selective memory or overinflated expectations.
JT’s numbers are as good or better than last year.
His MPG are up, his rebounds are up, his PPG are up, and his Assists are up.
His FG% is down 3.5% and his Fouls are up 0.15 per game, but his FT% is up.
The only thing besides fouls that needs changing is his FG%. And, I believe some of that has been caused by the emmergence of Tyreke. JT is taking the same % of shoots around the basket, but his tips are down 8% and his dunks are down 4%. And, it’s probably due to the change at PG. Tyreke finishes at the rim, JT needs to move away to clear the lane, so he’s not in as good a position to score off offensive rebounds. Also, 25% of JT’s jumpers this season are coming from the 16-23ft range where he’s only hitting 36%.
I will agree with those who feel that JT is more prone to turning over the ball then scoring when he has to create his own shot. But, that’s part of being a 2nd year big. At this point in his development, JT needs help getting easy points in the paint and that failure falls on the playcalling and the PG. But, JT needs to get closer to the rim when he puts up jumper, that 16-23 range is a killer for pure shootes let alone a 2nd yr PF.
The only true stumbling block for JT and his development, is his foul problem, and I don’t know who can fix that.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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How about some Reke/ Beno to JT pick and rolls?
Thats how most people have been doing it for a few decades.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Actually I was thinking more in the line of low post screens
We have one of the biggest PG’s in the league. How about getting JT or Hawes in the low blocks, and have Tyreke cut through the lane and set a screen on their defender. Kind of what Utah did to JT, to get Millsap free to roll into the paint for a dunk.
Have Hawes in the high post, deliver the ball to JT after the screen, and let the opposing PG switch and try to defend JT at the rim.
But, I’d take any set play that gets our bigs easy baskets.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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