Kings are looking at a Sergio Rodriguez deal with Memphis, most likely for a trade exception. It [w]ould save them his expiring salary the rest of the year and Sergio would certainly be happier. New York and New Jersey have also inquired.
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I think that would be good for Sergio
He is not very helpful for us, maybe consistent playing time on another team would be good for him.
Wow!
Should of drafted Blair if this is the case! I’m pissed
No question
we should have drafted Blair…but hindsight is 20/20. I mean the guy is a beast and every team passed on him at least once, some twice. Petrie got 2 right – Evans and Omri. Sergio was simply insurance if Reke couldn’t play the point or had difficulty with it and Beno continued in his 2008-9 form. Since both did not occur, Sergio is expendable and not good enough to make room for. Imagine for a second though if they would not have pulled that trade and we got Evans, Omri and Blair…no disrespect to Brock, but Blair seems like he could be a PF/C starter for years.
Don't blame the docs
blame the GMs. The docs stated the truth: he has no ACLs. The GMs passed on him, and wisely so. Dude’s knees could just break down at any time, which is scary.
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When you're the Spurs and you're gunning for the title
You don’t care that his knees break down UNTIL after the title. (Seriously, though, you hope it doesn’t happen.)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Especially when we are talking about a second round pick
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teams that looked at him for long term couldnt touch him becuase theres no guarantee how long he can play.
but the spurs can use him up, spit him out, and not care what happens after…
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
This probably means
There’s no potential market for Beno, which indicates Sergio’s option wasn’t going to be picked up anyway.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Are you telling me that you think Sergio had long term possibilities?
You must be morbidly curious than I took you for Gras.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
More morbidly curious^
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Lots of Sergio fans at StR
I’m TZ though, we should be able to get something for him.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
with, WITH TZ
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
I know you're not TZ lttg.
You couldn’t ever be that pretty.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hiil will have too many 4's/5's
Landry, Scola, Hill, Dorsey, Hayes and Anderson, Ming (injured) perhaps we can take one off their hands
I'm interested in hearing from the more CBA/trade savvy folks around here
to maybe give us a little insight into the pros/cons of this, and what it may mean. Trading Sergio for an exception to save about $700k seems a little odd. Would that exception be used elsewhere?
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If they get cash in the deal...
they could potentially send that to the Dubs with for one of their young guys? #wishfulthinking
If your choices are:
a) have Sergio for the rest of the season, despite having two other point guards and no hope of the playoffs and then not picking up his option
b) $700k
B seems to make a lot of sense; its still $700,000 and Sergio’s not having his option picked up, because Beno is immovable and we have Tyreke.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
I would venture Sergio has no future because he can't play with Reke.
I’m not sure Beno has much to do with it.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Or not Beno exactly
His contract to be specific.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
well, in dreamland where Beno is tradable
you could see playing Sergio for the 7 minutes or so that Reke doesn’t as a change of pace PG, but he’s more valuable than that to someone else.
Can't get minutes on a 18 win team but contenders are lining up.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
More like he can't play for Martin and Beno can.
Sergio, could play with Tyreke at the 2 spot. But, if your looking for a backup who can play the 1 or 2, than Beno is a better choice. In the end it comes down to $2.8M for your backup PG who gets 10 mpg. Versus $6M for a backup 1 & 2.
Of course, everythings changes if Martin gets traded and Tyreke moves to playing the 2.
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The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
When in doubt
Ask Larry Coon.
That exception isn’t so much about saving money, but more about being able to use that money to balance a trade within the next year. Or at least that’s how I read it.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
It's only really an advantage if you're over the cap though G.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Clarification
Re-reading it, I think I was wrong on my intial interpretation. But while I trust you on these issues since you tend to have a good grasp on it, from what I’m reading, I don’t think you are entirely correct.
From the above-linked article:
For example in one of the trades I listed above, the Clippers sent Randolph to the Grizzlies for Richardson last July 17. Since Randolph made about $7.3 million more than Richardson, the Clippers received a $7.3 million credit, with an expiration date of July 17, 2010. They used part of this credit last August 12 to acquire Rasual Butler. The remaining $3.4 million is still available for the Clippers to use until July 17. Any amount still outstanding on July 17 will simply vanish.
I read that to mean that the Kings could use the trade exception to acquire other players down the road without giving up other assets.
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Well G
That’s what you use a TPE for. The idea is that the TPE covers the salary of a whole player. So technically the idea that you don’t give up anything else is accurate. However, that said, that doesn’t mean that the other team won’t require assets in return for the player you’re using the TPE on. 2 separate issues there kemo sabe.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The exemption can't be combined with anything to acquire someone.
If they get a $1.8M trade exemption for Sergio , they can only acquire someone who make less than that. You can’t add it to a player making $8.2M to trade for a $10M player.
Besides saving half a years salary, the only benefit I can see is that it opens up a roster spot, in case we want to take back more players than we give up in another trade.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Sergio is not the problem
He’s the closest thing we have to a true PG. I hope he stays. I think he serves a role on this team.
He's also not the solution
except as a backup PG, and that position is taken by Beno.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Assuming Martin isn't traded and Tyreke isn't moved to the 2. Yes
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I had hoped that the solution
was trading Beno and keeping Sergio, apparently Beno’s contract is too poisonous.
by TheFifthMookie on Feb 16, 2010 12:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I was surprised
Beno didn’t make Simmons most poisonous contract list.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
He's moved from being a bad contract
to being a slightly expensive one. He could start on a number of teams…
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
I honestly
can’t find a decent team he’d start for, barring injury.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Really?
Without even trying I can pick three playoff teams, LA, Atl and Orlando where i think he’d be an upgrade
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
I don't quite think he starts over Jameer
although Beno would’ve been great for them last year with Jameer out. A lot better than Alston
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So that just leaves two Title Contenders then . . . .
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
It wasn't a flaw
You think Jameer is better on that team, fine, I’ll let the opinion stand. (I think its a very close call with particular offense, they could use someone who has his mid-range game between DHoward at the rim and all those 3 pt shooters) It was about Grasul saying there wasn’t a team he could start on.
Not lottery teams either.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Jameer Nelson is better than Beno Udrih will ever be.
He won’t start in Orlando. ’Nuff said there.
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Dang. I think Beno is better than Jameer. I've always thought he was a bit...
overrated.
There can only be one Noce!
Base Year Compensation player.
Gortat is a in th efirst year of an extended contract. He counts as an out going salary of 3 million and an incoming salary of 6 million so whatever team that trades for him has to have an additional 3 million in cap space and the out going team has to include another 3 million in salaries to make it work. The Kings could have done this before the Hilton Armstrong trade- Beno for Gortat and JJ Redick or something like this but because the Kings are near the cap, this deal no longer applies. Next season Beno for Gortat can happen straight up. Who knows, maybe this is why the Kings are dealing Sergio- trying to free up that extra bit to trade for a BYC.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
But if you trade Sergio and Beno
who’s your backup point?
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John Brockman obviously.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Darn.
I was hoping Hilton Armstrong was gonna do it.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Armstrong sure dribbles like he thinks he is...
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 16, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
He doesn't start for either LA or Altanta, not a chance.
He has better numbers for our horrible team, that doesn’t mean he’s going to start over veterans with the pedigree of Fisher and Bibby, when those guys are in the positions they are in precisely because of the intangibles they bring. And Jameer Nelson’s not even close.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
I think he'd start for the Lakers
but not Atlanta.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I disagree
He has a lot more game than Bibby at this point. It was pretty clear even before Bibby left to me. Unfortunately it was clear to all the other GMs as well as we didn’t get crap for him.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
He wouldn't start in any of those places
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think he could start for the Lakers & make them better
He has certainly been better than Hinrich. Who the Lakers are reportedly interested in. I understand what fisher brings to the team in the playoffs, especially in clutch situation but I would start Beno over him now. Not saying I would get rid of fisher though.
I love beating dead horses.
I think so too
Fisher and Beno were probably the two worst starting PGs in the league last season, and Fisher has regressed even further. I could see Beno starting there.
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
The triangle doesn't require
a pure PG at all. In fact, its a waste in that system. As much as we complain, Beno is a better defender than about a third of the league’s PG as well.
He’s a better shooter than a lot more than that.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think he's better than Shannon Brown, either
And he’s not a significant upgrade on Farmar if he is one. Or Vujacic. Or Coby Karl. Wait, he’s gone.
The Lakers are a more physical team, and I think Beno would be a bad fit. Not enough of a gangster. Fisher is physical and nails the shots in crunch time.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
You clearly haven't watched Fisher play the last few years
He makes the occasional shot – which he is wide open for because of all the other threats on that team. The stats aren’t even very close – and not just this year either.
Did he kick your dog or something?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Amick's latest Tweet
Source was off regarding Memphis and trade exception. Don’t believe they have one. Would have to be for something else. Ny has one, though.
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3 mil in cash baby!
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Because you're ummm desperate?
I don’t know. I don’t think the Knicks would do that. I’m still trying to figure out why the Clipps sold Camby for the price they did.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You're trying to figure out why Mike Dunleavy and Donald Sterling did something?
How ‘bout I just take a frying pan to your skull. It’ll be much quicker and less painful
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No I know why they did it. 3 million reasons.
I just can’t figure out how a guy who makes as much off the Clippers as Sterling does can do something that casually.
I’m not even a big Marcus Camby fan. I just don’t get what is in it for the Clippers to be LESS competitive.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
$3 mil is the going price for a mid 1st rd pick
(coincidence?)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
It is also the most cash allowed to be included in an NBA trade LTTG.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Yep.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Sergio for Haddadi
Make it happen.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
by Aykis16 on Feb 16, 2010 1:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions
the Kings aren't [redacted]
and that means that we can’t use the Griz as our farm team like [redacted] get to. I expect a Gasol/Gasol frontline down south in a year or so, i figure they’ll trade Sasha for him or something equally obscene.
by TheFifthMookie on Feb 16, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
You may need to explain your call name widowwolf.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
I understand...
It was this:
Seconded and thirded (me and the Wife)
That threw me for a loop.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
I am just glad the wife is starting to get more into NBA and the inner workings..2 years ago she would have just nodded, now she wants to debate
Judgment day is coming!
In a few more years all she'll want to do is debate
welcome to marraige!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh that was 5 years ago, just never about the kings and NBA. You should here our “Conversations” about the niners though
Judgment day is coming!
My wife likes football too
She was saying that Jay Cutler sucked – before he went to the Bears and proved she was right to everyone. (seems obvious now but a year or so ago . . )
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
I would do that.
I’m not sure the Kings would though.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The Kings really liked him pre-draft.
I think the Grizz might have a player that can help the Kings hiding somewhere on the bench.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Did they?
I thought they were scared off by his heart condition or something.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The Bee had him going #12 instead of Thompson.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Right and it was because of that heart condition I thought.
It’s not like Arthur gets much time for the Grizz now.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Rodriguez update
Update on this scenario folks – I failed to notice Griz are under the cap. – http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/2010/02/trade-chatter-s.html
by samick on Feb 16, 2010 1:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Bad beat reporter!
Bad beat reporter!
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Sam
You should use ShamSports if you don’t already. The guy who writes has, for reasons I can’t fathom because he’s British, has great sources and seems to get salaries right.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Shit, here’s the link I was talking about.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
So the Kings wouldn't want to try to take back a guy like Arthur or Haddadi?
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Or is Memphis not wanting to give anything up?
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Leave the man alone.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'd rather it be Arthur.
But that’s me.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
be Arthur?
Isn’t she dead?
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
You are beyond awful ElRon.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
No, Haddadi
So that Iran and Israel both have to root for the Kings, thereby thawing relations and ushering an era of world peace. And the Kings become like Wild Stallions in Bill & Teds! Oh… Oh i can see it now…
by Cyg on Feb 16, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Allah gave rock and roll to us...
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
'
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 16, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
That's pretty funny
Politics be damned.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
That's because youre a fat cookin savant.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If the Kings don't get back Arthur I would be disappointed
Sergio is a nice back-up with a very favorable contract. You just don’t give that away unless he really doesn’t want to be here like Portland did. Even that deal was more favorable to the Kings.
I love beating dead horses.
What does Sergio do that's so important?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Nothing for us Pook
I wasn’t suggesting I was a big fan of his or that we needed him. Just stating he is a good, young, back-up PG & I would like to get something for him. Hopefully a good, young, back-up PF. It wouldn’t break my heart to see him go.
I love beating dead horses.
I'm not wild about his game like some
but the change of pace he offers off the bench can be real spark and cause opponents to make adjustments.
Its nice to make other teams adjust to your line up rather than adusting to theirs.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
If the better young players on the roster don't learn this lesson lttg...
…the Kings are screwed.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
SAC - NYK - HOU
To Sac: Chuck Hayes ($2.15 mil this year, team option of $2.33 mil next season)
To NYK: Tracy McGrady, Sergio Rodriguez
To Hou: Larry Hughes, Jared Jeffries, Jordan Hill, and draft pick exchange
Like midget wrestling.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
What I'm wondering is
how bad do these teams want Sergio? Could we get them to take Noc along with him in exchange for some shorter contracts? We really wouldn’t have to get anything back as far as “basketball value” since both players are useless in a way on the Kings, but I think both could be valuable players on another team, maybe valuable enough to take Noc’s contract off our hands.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 16, 2010 3:59 PM PST reply actions
i dont think sergio's mother would trade for him if it meant noc came too...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I like Sergio
he is a good passer and scorer.
Look at his per 36 stats.
If he gets traded to memphis, he could take starting job
Let me think.
Who starts at the point in Memphis?
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
Mike Conley.
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