Poll of the Indefinite Time Period
by Tom Ziller on Feb 17, 2010 1:43 PM PST
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PrintJared Jeffries is owed $6.8 million next season. Jordan Hill is owed $2.7 million next season. The contracts of Sergio Rodriguez and Kenny Thomas expire this June.
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Voted No
We already have Jordan Hill, but his name is Jason Thompson. As much as I think we could use another solid big, I’m not sure Hill would be enough to warrant taking on Jeffries.
Then again, I’m wrong about a lot of things, so it would probably be a good move. Unless I’m wrong about being wrong…
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by LaPrimeraLives on Feb 17, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
I think if you look at just this year, you have good reason to be down on Hill. But if you look at how people were thinking of him less than a year ago, you might think there’s something to go after:
I was never sold on Hill
I know he was rated high but I never believed he was more than a 16-30 guy in the draft.
If we could just pay a little bit, maybe, but paying a 7 mil premium for him? I’m reconsidering my vote. Buy / trade Sergio for one of the 3 memphis draft picks might be a better idea.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
I could see them giving up the Lakers pick
Because it will be either the last or second to last pick in the draft and it is a guaranteed salary pick as well.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Does anyone read?
I did mention adding $$
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
I saw that!
And I agree 3Million/Sergio for the Lakers OR the Nuggets pick could do it for Memphis.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
smgmatt didn't
I should have been more specific. However I don’t think nearly that much money would be necessary for the Laker pick.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Right. But It is the Max
Allowed in a trade yes? Didn’t a late pick a couple years ago (that the Blazers Bought) go for the Max cash allowed? (even though the player salary for a pick that low would not be that high)
With news of Salmons being asked to stay at home… IDK how I would feel having Salmons and TT for K9.
Probably not a fan.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
I saw it
I just didn’t comment on it (it said Buy/Trade, so I countered on the more likely of the two). To add to my previous post:
I just don’t see the Maloofs buying a late 1st Round Pick. In fact, I think it’s more likely that Memphis trades one for Sergio, which I’m also not convinced of (remember the Hilton Armstrong rumors?).
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 17, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
No
Jefferies is a good defender and a hole on offense (think the opposite of Kevin) and Jordan Hills is not that great.
To think we waited three years for Kenny Thomas, expiring contract
And this is in the ballpark of all we can reasonably expect. I want those three years back.
+100
I thought about that last night …. for years Kings fans have been thinking Kenny Thomas would be a huge trade piece this year ….. wow.
With the CBA on the Horizon...
…why not extend that piece one additional year and get a 2011 expiring for K9. Preferably a usable piece a la Jefferson, Dalembert etc.
No.
I’d rather not take on a bad contract that would limit us from signing a guy like Tyrus Thomas, who is better than Hill. Also, if we draft another big, Hill is redundant and we still have Jeffries bad contract. He’s a good defender no doubt, but we can’t have him, Noc, and Cisco clogging up our cap space at 1 position no less.
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Jordan Hill could possibly turn into a player
But Jared Jeffries would just clog up a roster spot for a season. I’d rather let Kenny expire or deal him for someone who can contribute to our future.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 17, 2010 1:58 PM PST reply actions
Because what we really needs is 2 more forwards? HUH? Why not just go and get Dalambert and make a real difference for a bit more money, and then you have more expiring next year.
Dalambert for K9 and HA and 2010 1st rounder! Knicks dump more this year and kings get the center they need.
Judgment day is coming!
Our 2010 first rounder
For freaking Sam Dalembert?
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I do NOT want whatever Widowwolf has been smoking.
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Amen to that. Awful!
Trade a lottery pick for an OK starting center???
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Our lottery pick is MORE of an asset
Than Samuel Dalembert.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
How much better you think Cole Adrich is gonna be than Dalembert?
And like I said above, I dont like this trade option either, but my reasoning is that it’s too soon in the rebuild to add vets. But someone like Hill, young, cheap, and talented might be worth some expirings.
I'm OK standing pat than trading a Lottery Draft Pick
For Samuel Dalembert.
If anything I think adding cheap/unproven talent while trading our expirings is the best option.
The most likely option is standing pat.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Who says we're drafting Cole Aldrich
The Kings could finish 5th worst and have a chance at a top 3 pick.
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I know...
Just an example to illustrate that middle lottery picks spent on bigs turn into, by and large, the Sammy Ds of the league—the Shocks and Haweses.
And, of course, we might have a top 5 pick, and that might be Cousins or Favors…and then we’d be pumped.
Hill, IMO, would be worth a mid first rounder to Petrie.
The difference is
Dalembert is fully price, drafted players are cheap, and you have the call option that maybe your draft pick actually turns out good.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
I do this.
Jeffries would be the best defender on the team hands down. While Hill is intriguing. It’s getting a lottery pick from last year and a very good multi positional defender for two of our expiring contracts. Also, we are not giving up a pick and we still have some cap space in 2011 with this deal.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 2:02 PM PST reply actions
I voted yes
but I may be influenced by deadline excitement
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Yeah, same
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 17, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely!
We’re not players in the 2010 sweepstakes. I’m a proponent of attempting to line-up our expirings for the 2011 off-season. I’d even like to expand the deal to include a Nocioni for Curry swap, as that saves another 3-4 million for NY this summer, but shed us of 6.5 million from Nocioni’s final year. We get to take a flier on Hill(maybe he pans out) a prior lotto pick. It’s a great deal for us because other than the payout to these players, we’ve sacrificed very little basketball talent to take some high reward type risks.
No! Hill is a waste of time
Invest time into a player who will play defense. Not the 2nd coming of Mikki Moore.
If man is 5 and the devil is 6 than Eric Maynor is a freakin 19!
by Dastardly D on Feb 17, 2010 2:14 PM PST reply actions
Be honest
The only reason people compare Hill to Moore is because of the dreads. Same thing with Bosh.
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I agree and think it is funny...
That we often times compare players based on looks.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Not gonna lie...
The dreads are part of the reason for the comparison, but I was more referring to the fact that they both get pushed around in the post, they are both liabilities on defense, and they are both generally terrible.
If man is 5 and the devil is 6 than Eric Maynor is a freakin 19!
by Dastardly D on Feb 17, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Jordan Hill has dreads?
Sign me up for this trade!
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No and it's not about Jeffries.
I don’t think that Hill is any good at all. Poor man’s Dale Davis is what I see but I have been saying that since before the draft.
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Finally someone who doesn’t use a stupid Bosh/Moore comparison.
Like comparing Rubio to Maravich cause of their looks.
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Does that mean we can't refer to Rubio as "La Pistola"?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 17, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure I'd mind a Dale Davis.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
Dale Davis sure, but the poor man's Dale Davis?
How about Kenny Thomas for Tyrus Thomas and …..John Salmons and then talk Salmons out of staying in his deal for next season.
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That might actually work as moody as John is
Bury him on the bench & hope he opts out. Out of all the basketball players in the NBA I believe with John this might actually work.
I love beating dead horses.
The Bulls might do it if we sweetened it
with a 2nd round pick. But you’d have to buy out or release him. He’s not walking away from that dough.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Wooops! Salmons just got pulled
in anticipation of being traded tonight.
Is it worth paying his last yr at $5.8 to get TT?
HERE
or there
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/category/_/name/truehoop-trade-reports
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather have TT than Hill
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(sigh) we know Aykis
Just kidding you all know I want TT. My question is Salmons pulled but not TT?
I love beating dead horses.
True.
Thinking about Salmons back in a King’s Uni is not a pleasant thought. However, if TT panned out for us… TOTALLY worth another season and a half of Salmons.
Though is John were traded here I could see him either A. Being Bought Out (to go to a contender San Antonio anyone?) B. Not using his player option for next season because he would be GLUED to the bench here in Sacramento.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely worth it
I’m for the Hill/Jeffries trade. I’m even more for Salmons and TT.
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In fact
If Petrie’s on the phone working a TT deal I’d be amazingly giddy
and I’d probably quit making fun of Aykis for calling it
www.mancancook.net
Asinine trade post has come in handy
I said that Murphy for K-9 might happen and that rumor did happen. Sergio to Memphis is also something I said could happen (altough I didn’t anticipate it being for nothing).
We’ll see. I bet you if a trade goes down, it will be something I didn’t say, or in contradiction of something I said, because thats just how things work out.
Whatever the case, I’m gonna make that post every year. It was fun to write.
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I have to agree with NBRANS here
this feels like a GP style move. No real reports, vague details we shall see.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately
The reports are that it’s just Salmons being held out. So more likely a straight expiring deal for Salmons and not the Kings involved. Who knows though.
Who would trade an expiring for Salmons?
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San Antonio
Finley/Bonner/Mason/Ratliff
All expiring this year.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Why would San Antonio want a chucker/black hole like Salmons?
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It's not a bad guess
he’s right, they were interested last year. This year may / probably changed their minds though.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
FWIW
Sheridan says Spurs talks died
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/category/_/name/truehoop-trade-reports
It was a guess based on
What the guys at BAB said (two players who can help!) and SAS interest in Salmons last year.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
The Bulls need to dump one salary
for max room. They want to move either Salmons or Heinrich with TT. (for whatever thats worth)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
Amick didn't sound hopeful this morning
but things can come together fast this time of year.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Link?
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Also
ESPN reports everything. Knowing GP, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him make a move and for nobody to have known about it in advance.
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I don't see anything about the Bucks there
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors
It’s just a rumor right now
I love beating dead horses.
There's a test
of that ‘insider’ thing
Lets see what happens
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
The Kings could do that to.
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You got to remember
Salmons came here over Phoenix & Toronto because God told him to or something like that. If he is miserable here he just might opt out thinking God wants him to be somewhere else.
Disclaimer: I am not poking fun at religeous people. I am a pretty regular church goer myself.
I love beating dead horses.
I Wonder
If god told Bonzi NOT to sign for $35M
by KIngsFanInAR on Feb 17, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
I want Tyrus Thomas
from among all of the rumors and ideas I’ve heard, interesting, insane and otherwise. I wouldn’t want any part of having Salmons back here under those conditions, and not any more so if he were taking playing time.
So…“a poor man’s Dale Davis” on a rookie contract who has only 50 games on his odometer to judge by…maybe, yes.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
candace parker
Wasn’t her husband a lottery pick too. I have seen Hill play a few times. No thanks. Go get Daly without giving up the lottery pick.
by noreboundsnorings on Feb 17, 2010 2:15 PM PST reply actions
Is this a legit possibility?
Has this been reported as a rumored deal or is this just speculation?
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 17, 2010 2:21 PM PST reply actions
Maybe I'm the only one here but
I’m not sold on a guy being a bust after hardly playing for an entire half season
Walsh has a decent eye for talent, as does Morey. Morey wanted Hill in the T-Mac trade, which has to mean something.
www.mancancook.net
It means that's all he could get... most likely.
What else do the Knicks have to part with? A 2020 1st rounder?
NO
Unless Walsh hands over Hill, two unprotected first-round picks, Walt Frazier replacing Grant Napear, the naming rights to MSG, free cable for all Sacramento, Central Park, AND the chicken and rice stand on 53rd and 6th.
Oh....chicken and rice?
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
I wouldn't be mad
Ending up in Mike Dantoni’s dog house doesn’t mean much to me. He only plays players that fit his system.
I love beating dead horses.
The question is:
Is he worth essentially paying an extra 6.8 mil to get him?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
No
I’d rather get a big in the 2010 draft.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Why not do both?
The more young big men, the better. That is, unless we know that JT, Hawes, and whatever big man we get in 2010 are all going to work out….I’m not convinced yet.
This trade is taking away their opportunity to sign a free agent big man – it doesn’t change the draft strategy. Personally, I’d rather take Jeffries for a year and eliminate the temptation to sign some mediocre veteran to a longer term deal. 2011 might be a better year to spend money.
I'm confused
you’d rather have an over paid mediocre veteran for a year (Jeffries) locked in than take the risk we’ll sign a mediocre veteran in the summer?
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Longer term was the key phrase
Jeffries only has a one year contract, and then he’s gone. I’m assuming that the Kings will be bigger players in the 2011 free agent market than they would be this summer. Jeffries will also be an expiring contract next year when a lot teams will probably be looking to cut salary again.
the Kings
won’t be forced to spend the money that isn’t going to Jeffries.
The Sonics have done a lot of good the last few year being actually under the cap, so you can dole out your money to other teams that are desperate for long-term assets.
Having Jeffries just puts that off a year.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
I agree
I didn’t mean to imply that Jeffries would be some kind of asset worth trading for. That was basically just my pessimistic nature saying better to have Jeffries sit on the bench for a year than to actually fuck something up by signing a mediocre player long term. Obviously the purpose of this trade would be to take a flyer on Hill, and I don’t think Jeffries would be enough of a burden to make the trade not worth it.
How does Hill relate to the 2010 draft pick?
You really think Hill would give this team more wins? Or do you just want this team to tank?
I don't want the team to tank.
I just think this team has all the complementary big men they need already. What they need is an impact player. That guy isn’t likely to be Hill. If he was, why would the Knicks give him up?
Anyway, that’s my reasoning. I’d rather have Murphy, give up Donte (although I know it’s painful), and get an impact big through the 2010 draft.
Or, not do anything otherwise (including Tyrus Thomas—I don’t think that makes much sense in line with the cost).
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Salmons being held out tonight
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/13418/trade-brewing-bulls-salmons-pulled-from-lineup
I’d much rather trade K9/Sergio for Tyrus Thomas/Salmons than Hill/Jeffries. Salmons > Jeffries at the trade deadline next year and I’m reasonably confident TT wouldn’t be going anywhere as a restricted free agent.
Salmons could opt-out as well
In anticipation of signing a new deal ahead of the CBA negotiations. Lots of teams will have cap space and will need to use it since they’re mostly going to miss out on the big name free agents. If Salmons even just gets his current salary extended, its probably more than what he’d get under the new CBA.
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After the season John has had though
I do not think anyone will be looking to resign him for full MLE money. I can see a Roger Mason Jr. type of contract (3 million or so).
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously.
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I heard a report from someone I have known for years and helped get a job at a Bay area magazine that covers the Kings:
In the locker room after last night’s game, Martin was talking to someone on the phone and said, “get me out of here now.” My friend said he didn’t know who Martin was talking too. I also know the “reports” are that after the game there was no media in the locker room before Martin left. However, I believe what my friend said but don’t know what to make of it. I could be nothing.
It could have been Martin calling his driver saying he wanted to leave quicker than usual(which is what it probably was, IMO) but it could also have been a call to his agent?
Has anyone else heard of this?
I've got gas - yea, i'm enviromentally friendly
I could be nothing = It could be nothing, though the same may still hold true :)
I've got gas - yea, i'm enviromentally friendly
No media was in the room
when he left, Peaches is making a big deal of him not doing a post game interview or being available.
So it couldn’t have been anyone in the Media.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
That's what I understood - No media in the room
However, I have no reason to doubt him (my friend, not Peaches :)). I just found it very interesting and wanted to share. If it did happen, it was probably him just wanting to leave quickly like he did.
Anyways, I cant prove that it happened and the reports are that there was no media. So I will not argue the point.
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Absolutely
This trade is very low risk, decent reward and I don’t know why people are arguing against “taking on Jeffries’ contract.” Look, expiring contracts have value. If we just let K9’s contract die out, we will lose that value he currently has on his expiring contract. We’ll have trade bait for next season, if we take his contract on, eventually giving him + value.
If Hill doesn’t work out, hell, we could just decline the team option and let his contract expire after next season. The most we have to lose is K9 and Sergio.
If K-9 nets us nothing
Why would Jeffries? You have to count on it being dead salary weight. Now, Murphy, someone with value would have been a different situation.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Nope - they want assets
A young talent and a pick
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
They'll dump him for expirings
if they can’t get what they want. I think teams like the Bucks and Kings know that. Pacers really want to clear out some salary, they’re hurting financially, and not moving him hurts them more in the long run than moving him for expirings.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Expiring contracts have less value than cash
for players that don’t contribute. We’re worse off having Jeffries as an expiring than having nothing.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Uhh...yeah, tell that to Memphis and the Lakers
Or how about teams trying to pick up Martin for expirings?
If they had cap room
they wouldn’t need expirings…they could take the player for nothing.
Let’s say you are the team trading away a player for expirings, would you rather get:
Kenny Thomas and pay him $4mil between now and May
or
Nothing and buy $4mil worth of hookers?
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Yeah, in a perfect world, all teams competing for a championship would be under the cap
Unfortunately, this isn’t that perfect world.
there’s no reason for us to pay Jeffries if we don’t have to. Having to pay him is worse than the fact he’s an expiring. He’s a net negative; you can tell this because Houston is trying to get two #1s from New York in order to take him.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
The only reason Why New York wants to trade him off so bad is because they’re big players in the 2010 FA market. Not because they simply can’t pay his contract, all other things not considered. Just look at their roster…mostly expiring contracts, except for Jeffries and maybe a couple others.
right...
but Houston won’t take him without getting two #1s according to ESPN. If NY could give away Jeffries for nothing, they’d do it in a second.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Exactly
Right now, Jeffries has negative value. Next season, he will be expiring. You could then pick up a contract for a talented player, perceived as a bad contract by their own teams, using expiring contracts. This is why championship contenders want Martin so badly. They perceive Martin’s value to be negative in our eyes, while in their eyes, he has positive value. There’s always an instance of that, every trade deadline. For example, Biedrins is rumored to be offered for expiring contracts, right now.
The reason why Houston wants 2 first rounders is because they know NY wants to trade him so badly now, because NY clearly wants cap room to sign a big free agent, for this off-season. They’re taking advantage of the situation and are trying to make the most of it.
Ok we're getting somewhere
but next season, if you didn’t have Jeffries, you’d have the same options as you have with trading Jeffries as an expiring, but you could instead also use the money to do something else in the meantime if you wanted to.
There’s nothing good about getting Jeffries now. The fact he’ll be an expiring next year, makes him less of a disaster to get now, but he’s still a negative asset right now.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
…And my argument is that we’re not going to do anything with that money over the off-season, since everyone else is clearing cap. You’d might as well pick up talent, if that cap space isn’t going to be put to use.
being put to use
doesn’t mean paying Jeffries to sit on the bench.
If you love Jordan Hill, I understand, but I don’t see much there personally.
I could see a lot of uses for having cash available between now and the next trade deadline, but of course you’re right, we don’t know if the Maloofs will use it.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Why are we talking about this?
Has anyone seen the Kings name mentioned in a trade recently? I would love it if they pulled one off, especially if it were to acquire talent or offload Noc, but I just haven’t heard them being mentioned at all.
Am I missing something? Does Ziller know something we don’t?
That's the point Keon the Kings haven't been mentioned lately
that sometime means GP is working hard
I love beating dead horses.
You guys are aware
the price Houston is trying to get for taking Jeffries from NY is two #1s according to TrueHoop?
No way to this trade.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Agreed
Given the exchange rate for late first-round picks is about $3 million, and the Kings would take on about $7 million in salary for next year, I’d say Hill plus a first-rounder is closer to fair.
by ttylerbballcamper on Feb 17, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I love the Cavs with Jamison
I’ve always really liked him, and Lebron is going to love playing with him.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Cleveland is making their NBA finals reservations
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
I agree. Barring Injury.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 17, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Also Grizz shopping Conley for cap relief & 1st rounder?
Another 1st rounder?
I love beating dead horses.
Putting together a roster of 1st round picks... Not players, just the picks.
Those guys are brilliant up north.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
They left Vancouver some years ago
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
I was feeling Minnesota, forgive me.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
no problem
just teasing :-)
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Apparently they still have their offices in Vancouver
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Feb 17, 2010 4:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No for me. Touching anything Knicks will turn out bad...
It almost killed Donte’s career playing on a roster with Knicks players last year. Coincidence? I think NOT!
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
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