Kings Salary Cap Situation After Kevin Martin Trade
by Tom Ziller on Feb 18, 2010 5:52 AM PST
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Print(I'm not really prepared to discuss the trade in qualitative terms just yet. I mean, I have an opinion. A quite strong opinion. But I want to let it marinate before I go get myself arrested for something which could be considered a hate crime in California.)
If Tracy McGrady does not move on to New York or elsewhere, this is what the Kings' salary cap situation will look like over the next few seasons. (Assist to ShamSports.)
| Player | 10-11 | 11-12 | 12-13 | 13-14 |
| Landry | $3M | |||
| Dorsey | $0.9M | $1M | ||
| Nocioni | $6.8M | $6.6M | ||
| Udrih | $6.5M | $6.9M | $7.4M | |
| Evans | $3.9M | $4.2M | $5.3M | |
| Hawes | $3M | |||
| Thompson | $2.2M | $3M | ||
| Casspi | $1.3M | $1.3M | $2.3M | |
| Greene | $0.9M | $1.7M | ||
| Garcia | $5.5M | $5.8M | $6.1M | |
| TOTAL | $34M | $30.5M | $21.1M |
If the rumored trade with New York is a part of this, bringing Jordan Hill and Jared Jeffries (with a pick), you can add about $9.7 million to the 2010-11 payroll, taking the team to a payroll of $43.7M (well out of max player range). Hill would add $2.9M to the 2011-12 payroll, and $3.6M to the 2012-13 payroll.
(Note: I made an edit -- removing Nocioni's 2012-13 salary -- after publishing this. Grasul correctly pointed out that season is a team option, one which Geoff Petrie would be insane to pick up. [I'll leave further jokes to you.])
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Ziller the Nocioni 12/13 year is a team option
according to Sham, might as well remove it, there’s not way that option gets picked up.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
The only way I think this deal works is two fold
The kids grow up some and realize that they are a lot at fault for the teams problems. The Kings sign a major player like Bosh in FA.
But I think it was clear listening to Sam and Kayte last night Kevin was ready to go. The situation had just wore thin. Which is unfortunate.
I was seduced by the potential that Reke & Speed had. And all I have to show for that seduction is wins over Detroit & New York. Which is why I think I agree with TZ’s take that this trade is awful and that his reaction would agree to hate crimes. If it wasn’t for Kevin wanting to move on, than I’d be a lot more upset.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Speed's comments to Amick pretty much let it be known that he wanted out...
It was a thanks, but its time to go.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
Well said Mo.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I agree that its tough to discuss the Martin trade at this point
On one hand, if behind the scenes things were so bad, then I understand it. On the other, well, I enjoyed rooting for Martin.
With regard to salaries, this can go two ways:
1) Gradual changeover of the roster as our bad veterans get closer to the end of their deals, and the money we’re paying them migrates to our young guys as their rookie contracts come to an end and they need to get paid.
This is the fiscally responsible direction, which means its time to be really patient and realize this building process is going to go on a long time. If we’re being fiscally responsible, we’re not going to sign better than the bare minimum in terms of role players around our young core, which means we’ll be a “young, on the rise” team for a while, but no danger to do any real damage in the playoffs because we don’t have the infrastructure.
2) We go all in on a big deal and try to get better fast. This means laying out the cash for someone good soon, while we have the cap space, and then paying our young guys with the money between the current cap and the luxury tax (which presumably we’d never want to pay). This option is going to require significant committment from the Maloofs.
That’s what I see when I look at the salary schedule above.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
16 million bare minimum at a 53 million salary cap Gras.
That’s enough for a max player.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Exactly
so here’s the question:
Do you spend that on a guy and go all in, if you do, our young guys are going to get paid with money over the cap (in general)?
If you don’t, then our young guys will begin getting paid over time out of that $16mil basically, and you have a good, but most importantly, cheap young team for the foreseeable future, and you’re relying on the greatness of Tyreke to keep fans interested.
I don’t think its a given they spend the money on a big FA, I think its a possibility, but not a given.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
I've already speculated on this (since I've been up all night)
That the Kings are going to go after Bosh.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 6:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not saying that they'll get him. I don't know if they have a strong shot at this point.
But, with this roster and the cap space it’s a strong possibility. That wasn’t the case a year ago.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
If we trade for Jefffries/Hill
Then there goes are max player space…it’d have to be via SnT which I don’t think happens.
So if T-Mac gets bought out, then sure I can see them going for Bosh, and failing.
Don't believe that bullshit.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
As in we do it?
I think we absolutely do it. We would get Hill and a pick or two from the Knicks who’ll probably strike out on the LeBron/Bosh/Wade signings….this summer, setting ourselves up to get a couple semi-decent picks with Hill.
I absolutely believe that goes down this morning.
Hmm
I never thought of the possibility of NY not signing Bosh and or Dwade and or LBJ. For all we know Bosh stays put, LBJ stays put, Dwade stays put. Or LBJ runs off to Miami or vise versa but they all say F U NY! Then this trade would be nice
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 6:30 AM PST up reply actions
If we do the trade with NY
My scenario #1 outlined above is the plan. I agree with you the NY deal sucks, but it fits right in with scenario #1.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Hill is not worth it.
There is nothing in it for the Kings to do that. It’s a low paying off proposal. Houston it could have worked far because there wasn’t any real cap space. But the Kings have a lot of young players. At some point you need to have stars up front and in the backcourt. The Kings have 1. Now they have a shot at the other. That simple.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I agree
but neither of us are signing the checks, if a Bosh is in play.
You have to acknowledge the possibility we’re going to be cheap for a few years, right?
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
If the Maloofs go cheap they might as well sell the team or move the team instead.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 6:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If the Maloofs go cheap they might as well sell the team or move the team instead.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 6:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I see cheap as an alternative to not getting Bosh. But being cheap from the outset?
If fans can’t get excited about adding Bosh to this core, Sac won’t have the Kings long. Other places will get excited about that team quickly.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 6:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you pookey
see below :-)
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
I see that. :)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
And this isn't about disliking Speed. I wanted it to work. I'm disappointed it didn't. But I can move on because Speed is. I guess that's where I'm at.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
If you guys somehow managed to get Bosh
I would think that makes this deal worth while, assuming the maloofs can afford it…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Also
If we get Bosh, then you’d have an interesting situation of Bosh and Landry both wanting minutes at the 4. With Landry’s $3 mil pricetag, he’d be a prime candidate for a trade for a #1 pick.
why can't Bosh spend some time at the 5?
he’d be up for it
by sac_faithful on Feb 18, 2010 7:30 AM PST up reply actions
He can play either position
The vast majority of his minutes have come at the center position this season…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Yeah he's a towering 6'7 too.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bosh?
He is 6’11, maybe 7 feet???
Landry certainly isnt a center if that is who you are talking about..
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Sorry Rudiculous.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
No worries :)
Thanks for letting me hang out. I love the trade deadline discussions and my team already made their deal.
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
My view is always this
As long as you’re not an asshole you’re always welcome. The thing is, some people can’t figure it out no matter how many times you tell them. Or, they don’t care.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
There are only a select few FAs I'd spend the cash on
Just don’t go throwing max dollars at Amare or Boozer.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2010 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with this.
I want one FA & one alone Kfan: Bosh. Nothing else.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 6:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If Bosh decides he doesn't want to come to Sacramento,
should we just keep the cap space for 2011? 2011 free agent class isn’t nearly as good, though Carmelo and Nene have ETOs. I’m sure everyone will want my head, but I wouldn’t object to Rudy Gay as a backup plan as long as the deal was reasonable.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Fuck! Why did the Kings do this? Why?
Unless the Kings bring in LBJ or Wade, this is a bad move,
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
Are you mad that the Rockets are better?
Or mad that the Kings traded Kevin?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Mad that the Kings traded Martin!
At least if you traded Martin, you should have unloaded Noc, but no Ec’s were good enough + Carl Landry
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
It's not that simple kanti.
Why would Houston take Noc or Beno? It messes them up too much. It’s the trade that was out there that the Kings could make. I can definitely live with it.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Ready for tanking then?
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
No.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Would you rather have Carl Landry or get rid of Nocioni or Beno?
I’d rather have Landry. That’s probably what this boiled down to.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Because in the real world teams do what's best for them rather than make one fanbase happy.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
That's what I'm saying....why didn't we do what was BEST for our team?
And that is CLEARLY moving Nocioni’s contract….Kevin Martin is a MUCH better player to have than Carl Landry(though he’s good too). It’s just heavily skewed in Houston’s favor, and I think moving Noc was something that I would and could get behind with the dynamics of this trade and our roster.
Nocioni is KILLING our cap situation.
Agreed
I don’t know how we do this trade w/o unloading one of our trouble contracts.
Because there is no reason for Houston to do the trade.
Nocioni and Beno are taking up almost as much room as Kevin himself did. That’s why this deal may work numbers wise in the cap situation.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Right
But why would we trade KMart for Landry and filler? Unless we can get a #1 out of NYC, this trade is win Houston.
It all depends on how you look at it.
This trade is about more than one thing for the Kings. It’s about Martin, moving Tmac away and getting under the luxury tax line (which the Kings likely got 3 mil cash in the trade too).
I love Kevin Martin as much as anyone else here. I didn’t create nicknames for him, but I suck at that stuff. All I know was this skinny kid from Zanesville could play ball. And play ball for us he did. Now he’s moving on in a great situation for him in Houston. Kevin wanted out, and the franchise didn’t think they could make it work. I wish I could be romantic about this like TZ, but there is just too many signs. Sorry.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
The #1 from NY
is almost inconsequential. Landry is a lot better than you guys are giving credit for.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
the "in the hands of Petrie" part
is inconsequential. There are lots of ways to get low #1 picks for Petrie to work his magic with, and in general they are very expensive.
The big asset we’re getting in the trade is a 26yr old PF with a career PER of 20. If we have cap space each year going forward, we’ll be able to leverage it into as many late #1s as your heart desires.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
should say
“in general they aren’t very expensive”
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
No
There aren’t “lots of ways” to get lottery picks. You need to find a team like NYC that’s desperate to shed salary so they can go FA hunting. A lottery pick in the hands of Petrie is gold.
Little off topic
But do we try and get Evan Turner in the draft now that Kmart is gone?
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 6:52 AM PST up reply actions
There is a chance that it isnt a lottery pick if they land a couple of big names
If that happens, you are probably looking at a late 1st rounder. Unless it is for this years pick? I thought it was rumored a 2011 1st though…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Actually
I am almost positive NY’s 1st rounder this year is going to the Jazz, so it would have to be at least the 2011 pick…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Can't
Be this years pick Utah owns it
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 7:12 AM PST up reply actions
it can't be earlier than 2012
as I understand it. By then the Knicks could be pretty decent, especially out east.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Thats what I was wondering
there is a rule against trading consecutive 1st round picks me thinks…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
There is a rule. It's called the Ted Stepien rule.
He dealt away a future 1st round pick to the Lakers that ended up becoming James Worthy.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
He traded away like five years' worth in a row for players
It was so bad the NBA awarded the Cavaliers a first-rounder.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
And PER overvalues rebounds, which Landry doesn't do that well...
…and he’s STILL at 20. That’s pretty damn good.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Read Zach's post at Cowbell Kingdom.
It has a lot of Landry love in a good fashion.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Landry's
contract is expiring. I hope the Kings didn’t make this trade to get better this year…
he has a team option for next year
There seems to be every indication this trade was made with the intention of paying Landry.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Nocioni
doesn’t make enough money to kill our cap. The terrible threesome of Beno/Noc/Garcia are rough on it combined.
And Landry is pretty damn good offensively, PER of 20 for his career, 62.9% TS%.
Its a stretch to say Kevin is better than Landry, especially if you consider contracts (though Landry will need to get paid soon).
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
The real kicker is that the Kings won't lose a lot of luxury tax room if they pay Bosh instead of Kevin.
Noc’s contract is off the books in 2 years. The Kings will either shed that contract or they won’t. But they won’t take one longer than that. Ditto with Beno & Cisco.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Kevin is gone regardless
not a part of the equation. The question is, do you pay Bosh, or do you go cheap?
If its Bosh, I agree with you, and hope the Maloofs go all in with the committment. If we don’t get Bosh though, I can see the argument for being cheap.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Or going after a guy like Murphy for very little.
There’s other move out there. Carlos Boozer or Amare Stoudemire? No.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
ya
Those guys won’t be worth the money they demand on this years market. Too many teams trying to make a splash in free agency…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
I cannot believe people here are actually talking about Bosh
Why the hell would Bosh come here? It is insane just mentioning that possibility. Why would he leave a Toronto team that is far better than the Kings to take less money in Sac?! Wake up people! Kevin Martin is gone I’m fine with that. I am upset that Houston was willing to take Jared Jeffries for Jordan freakin Hill but you are telling me they wouldn’t have taken Nocioni for Kevin Martin? WTF? This was GP doing a favor for his buddy Adelman. Plain & simple & if you don’t believe that you are seriously naive.
I love beating dead horses.
Vlade
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Well, that was my first reaction upon hearing the news
If we can turn T-Mac into a NYK draft pick (who cares about the rest of what they’re offering), then we basically traded K-Mart for Landry and a #1. I find less fault there, in particular not unloading Noc/Beno.
why would we want David Lee now?
Landry does similar things.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Maybe of note: Jared Jeffries' contract reportedly has a 15% trade kicker
I doubt the Maloofs would be happy to pay that in addition to the honor of paying his regular salary for about 105 games and helping the Knicks land their free agent choices. Though it’s probably negotiable if the sender or the receiver has to pay that.
Jeffries
seems to be the ball breaker in this deal if he wasn’t involved it would be pretty nice, but that is the whole point for NY i guess
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
I posted this on bulletforever, got no response, so I'm posting it here. Sorry if Im duplicating other threads
If the Kings were smart, and willing to spend the money they’d trade McGrady to New York for Galinari, Hill, Curry, Jeffries and (maybe) a future #1.
That would give the Kings Omri Casspi, Donte Greene, Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, Galinari, Jordan Hill and a 2010 #1 to complement Tyreke Evans (and they would all be on rookie deals).
Plus, it would give them $17 million worth of expiring contracts to trade at next years deadline.
by John Park Williams on Feb 18, 2010 6:53 AM PST reply actions
It would definitely not be a 2010 #1. That pick lives in Utah, thanks to the Stephon Marbury trade years ago. The discussed offer they gave the Rockets included the right to swap first round picks in 2011 (attractive for the Rockets, not so much for the Kings) and a more or less protected 2012 first round pick (might be pretty unattractive if the Knicks assemble a strong roster in 2010 and 2011 and make a return to the playoffs).
Knicks in 2011
Could conceivably be just as bad as they are now. If they don’t land one of the top 3 FAs.
Deadline
5 hours remaining should be interesting, is it basically stand pat or trade with NY as our options?
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 7:10 AM PST reply actions
Standing pat =
letting McGrady expire and receiving nothing in return, aside from $6.8 mil in 2011 space that would otherwise be occupied by Jefferies. I’m willing to take on Jefferies for a year in return for a 2012 #1.
I think I would be okay with that too
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 7:33 AM PST up reply actions
On the other hand
By taking on Jefferies and Hill, we would only have about $10 mil free in the offseason – too little to offer max contract (we’d be at $43.5 mil, predicted cap is $53m, this number as of July 2009). If we don’t spend it this offseason, going into next year we’d be looking at $10m + the expiring contract of Jefferies ($6.8m) + the possibility of declining the team option on Hill ($2.9m). That puts you at nearly $20m for summer 2011, assuming a $53m cap. A chunk of that money could likely get eaten up by resigning Landry. As a GM, I imagine you hate seeing cap space squandered by resigning one’s own players, so this might add pressure to use that cap space this summer.
Rockets fan here...
The Kings cannot trade T-Mac to the Knicks AFTER acquiring him from the Rockets. You have to wait 48 hours BEFORE you can trade a newly acquired player, and the deadline will have passed by then. ONLY way the T-Mac lands in NY, is if its a 3 way trade INVOLVING Houston. Which means the Rockets WILL WANT SOMETHING else from NY or Kings, otherwise there’s no reason for them to agree.
So forget this thing about trading T-Mac to NY as a side deal, not going happen, unless it involves Houston…I don’t care if this 3 way happens, from a Rox perspective this trade is GREAT as is….
which is why
they may not care about facilitiating a 3 way deal.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
We don't have to give them Martin unless we get Hill
You really think at this point, with hours to go b4 the deadline, that Houston would try and hold out 4 1 more player? Houston’s crapping themselves at the trade they made. They get Kevin Martin for a guy that wasn’t even playing
Gimme a break…
by Screamer on Feb 18, 2010 7:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ya
I’d say the Kings are holding all the cards on this one. Its not like keeping Martin would be a disaster(although he thinks he is gone, so that might get awkward)…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
I believe Houston would want Hill in any deal involing T-Mac to NY...
However, the Knicks want to unload Jeffries and our GM Morey seems to want no part of that guy…
I think something will be worked out, but not sure who goes where…will be interesting…
The Kings and Rox can ONLY win in this 3 way trade, as Knicks REALLY REALLY want T-Mac and that expiring contract….
I wonder if we really can use a guy like Hill
We lose $3m in negotiating space over the summer, and gain a project C. Drafting currently around pick #5, we might very well draft a project C. We also already have a project in Hawes. I could see the Rockets landing Hill, and the Kings the draft considerations. Although the Knicks apparently were balking at losing Hill, a #1, and the right to swap picks… so we’ll see who backs down on their demands…
If the Kings could land Hill...
whatever else we’d have to give up (minus our #1 pick) would b worth it. I liked Hill alot @ Arizona and there’s so much upside. He can grow w/ the rest of the team
DROP THE CHRIS BOSH IDEA RIGHT NOW
Bosh isn’t coming to Sac. But after the big stars sign, Sac will have money to spend on the 2nd teir FAs and GP will grab someone nice
Why won't Chris Bosh sign here?
What’s so special about Miami or New Jersey or New York? Or Chicago for that matter?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Like Toronto, they are large cosmopolitan cities?
If someone is offering you equal $ to live in these five places, do you choose Sac? I’m in NYC in a heartbeat.
Or
Chicago (bring back the glory years for them), or Miami to play with Wade. But anything is possible!
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
Easy...
Miami – Sun, sand, and the hottest women in the country
NJ – Rich billionaire owner willing to spend any amount of money on his players
NY – Piss smelling gutter streets
Chic – Original deep dish pizza
Plus, all the extra money in endorsements to b made. He’ll never get that in Sac, EVER!
Fine be negative.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Not to mention
Miami has D-Wade and Nets Roster is pretty promising plus playing with a Chinese guy = 1 billion views every game
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
ok...
Miami – Agree.
NJ – Everyone can offer Bosh the same amount. This doesn’t matter.
NY – Nice description
Chicago – Okay…
The question with Miami is, does Bosh want to be a secondary scorer? Wade is still going to be the guy there. If Bosh wants to be the main scorer, we look better than the Heat. If he wants to not play for the worst team in NBA history, he won’t sign in NJ. NY has NO core; it’ll be whatever they get in free agency this offseason and that’s it. We’re in better shape than you think.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
When the money is all the same(max$$$)
Location and who the free agent is playing with become the deciding factors. Like Portland, Sacramento isn’t a very desirable location or market. Franchises like ours need to have a much more enticing roster than the bigger markets and/or more desirable locations.
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Hinrich and TT for T-mac
They would help with defense, help chi town get below cap. We make QO and have a lot of space for 2011.
Look at the Front Line TT, JT, SH, CL
Landry and Hawes compliment each other as do TT and JT.
That wont work salary-wise
Would you want Brad Miller back? The kings could try to do Miller + Hinrich if the bulls would go for it. They are rumored to be trying to get out from under Kirk’s contract…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
No more Brad
He stopped playing well after I bought a signed jersey at a silent auction! at least the money went to charity
No go
Having 3 PFs who each deserve 30 min/game is not good strategy
See your point , but..
I view Thompson playing a lot of 5 so it would be 4 guys each getting about 24 minutes of burn, until one gets that much better or expendable.
Question
where would one check to find the breaking news on a trade the quickest? I usually check out rotoworld.com, hoopsworld.com or hoopshype.com are those usually the best
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 8:21 AM PST reply actions
Why is money a bad thing?
The Kings need to get talent but acquiring Jared Jeffries for the opportunity to try and develop Hill or pay for the oppurtunity to pick a later lottery pick or worse seems silly to me.
The Maloofs still have no arena deal. The CBA is decreasing. Tickets prices have fallen along with attendence. The team is improving with young talent acquired through the draft this last few years and the next few years. What’s so bad about been less burdened with extra salaries? This team isn’t going anywhere in the standings for a couple more years. Let T-Mac’s contract expire or arrange a buy out.
If a trade with NY is iminent than yes, it makes sense to get talent – David Lee type talent with the advantage of Bird rights than it does to get more draft picks or Jeffries/Hill.
Kevin Martin is all class and his farewell comments confirm that. Good luck KMart.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 18, 2010 10:24 AM PST reply actions
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