Goodbye, Kevin Martin
by Tom Ziller on Feb 18, 2010 6:27 AM PST
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Kevin Martin was, I felt, one of the first grassroots stars of the NBA blogosphere. Martin's second season, 2005-06, came just as NBA blogs really grew as a medium and a voice. Lord knows I had awfully small readership back in late 2005 -- pookeyguru and Carl were two of the few commenters as we wondered if Rick Adelman had lost Mike Bibby's ear, or if Peja Stojakovic had been mentally incapicitated by Bonzi Wells. Martin began his ascent right around December 2005, and he excelled as a starter when Wells went down with an injury just before the Ron Artest trade. The rest is history -- Martin was excellent in the playoffs, won the starting two-guard job over John Salmons the following autumn, and never looked back. We watched as he went from hero to zero, from footnote to STAR. And while the national media perhaps waited too long to embrace him as a major NBA player -- he still gets called Kenyon from time to time -- he is a full-blown star now. Success, I suppose. Let us blow horns of our own employ.
But coddamn it hurts to lose him. He was ours -- our secret, our walking idiosyncrasy, our source of impromptu elation. Chris Webber, high and low, was shared with the world. Peja, too. Even Mitch Richmond was a star who happened to play in Sacramento. But Martin? He was ours. And he's gone. Partly because he wanted out -- he's been pissed at the franchise's lack of support -- and partly because of the franchise's itchy finger. Partly because Carl Landry is awesome, and the Kings bigs, on the whole, are not. Partly because Martin and Tyreke Evans just haven't clicked totally. Partly because the Knicks are going to Crazytown and might want to take us along.
Every ending in Sacramento is sour. Webber, Bibby, Richmond, Peja, Artest, Wells, Miller, Orien Greene, Ike Diogu. I always thought Martin would survive that, like Bobby Jackson did, that the fans were so endeared to his game he'd go out only when it made perfect sense. At this point, that's not the case. This is an impatient separation (with blame to both Martin and the organization). And time won't change that. But whining about it won't reverse it either, will it?
So let's celebrate Martin, for all the fun he's given us through the dark, dark years. I'll dearly miss him as a player and as an ambassador of the game, and I'll sure as hell be rooting for Houston this spring. See ya, Speedracer. Good luck.
Please reserve this thread for thoughts on Martin. Plenty of threads to discuss the trade itself.
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Ditto...
I just want to see Kev succeed and give the big FU to the Kings and Tyreke,,, after reading Tyrekes BS excuses for how the team played last night… that it was becuase of the trade rumors… and hopefully they can get back to playing the way they have been,,, WTF? They have been playing like shit while Reke gets his points!! Expected… after all he is already HOF material in his mind and in Team Tyreke’s mind…
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
+1
Agree whole-heartedly. I’m having a hard time figuring this one out. As for Tyreke’s comments, it’s all yours now young man. I hope you have a strong back, because you’re going to have to carry this team for a long long time. If last night’s performance is any indication of future play, well, let’s just say if you think Arco has been empty up til now…
Purveyor of Bull Plop
lmao
Im telling you guys…everyone is going to be saying now we need a player who can score and compliment tyreke….ummmm…i think we just traded someone that did that
We also GOT someone that does that
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
You can hate the trade
But don’t suddenly turn this into something against Evans.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Speed Racer, we hardly knew ye.
Times like this make me wish my neighborhood hadn’t outlawed the sale of forties so I could pour one out right now.
May your weird jumper mechanics and ability to draw cheap fouls without getting punched in the face by your defender endear you to Houston.
by jeffreguilon on Feb 18, 2010 6:46 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks Kevin
Do this again this spring.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
I will miss Speed
He’s the kind of guy that’s easy to root for – anyone who puts in that kind of effort to improve deserves respect.
It’s been fun to see what he made of himself in the league – he’s really an unbelievable success story if you think about it. I’ll be rooting for him to get that Houston team deep into the playoffs.
As an aside, I’m supposed to believe Kevin transformed from a hard-working company guy to a selfish locker room cancer…in the space of a couple of months? That’s bullsh#t.
I think there’s a lot more going on here than we know, and I’m guessing the true story doesn’t reflect well on our organization, our local media, or our superstar in waiting (and his “blueprint”).
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
I think the rumors about Kmart going sour are over hyped as a PR move
because he was a fan favorite. That way people can have a better feeling going forward, “see kmart wasn’t just soft, he was a cancer too!”
by sac_faithful on Feb 18, 2010 7:24 AM PST up reply actions
You're really in the denial stage
I think there’s a lot more going on here than we know, and I’m guessing the true story doesn’t reflect well on our organization, our local media, or our superstar in waiting (and his "blueprint").
Kmart just didn’t fit the new direction of the franchise and yet was the team’s highest paid player. It was time. Get over it.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Actually
I like this trade. Landry’s a very good player, although I think the team didn’t give the Martin/Evans backcourt a long enough looksie. But this does address our low post offensive woes.
What I don’t like is the machinations behind the scene to paint Kevin as a locker room cancer, in an effort to ride him out of town. The kid deserved better…is all I’m saying.
But hell, this type of thing probably made you giddy.
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
But hell, this type of thing probably made you giddy.
Trading soft for tough does make me happy. And seeing a moron like you get some comeuppance does bring a little smile to my face.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Comeuppance?
I’ve never been on the “don’t trade Kevin” bandwagon. Comprehension is your friend.
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
First time I remember seeing K-Mart
He was starting for Bonzi Wells. He stole a pass, raced upcourt and finished with a two-hand reverse jam. Right then, I knew he was going to be a very good player. Gonna miss him.
Miss him too.
I will miss him too because for a few years he was the lone bright spot. I remember when he would stop on a dime in the lane, rise up, and then hit the jumper. The only other player who I saw do that was MJ. And I empathize with a lot of you and your feelings on Kevin. However, I have seen this coming. You can check out my postings in the last few months that will validate this.
In fact, I even proposed this exact same trade a few weeks ago in one of the Asanine Trade Threads. Check it out, There is proof. I am not computer savy enough to find my posting on this trade. T-mac’s contract helps clear some space and Landry will help us out in the low post.
However, I never thught Evans and Martin would work. Martin was not traded because he sucked. He was traded because it is now Treke’s team and Martin does not work with Evans. Again, as I have stated, Evans is like Joe Johnson. He needs someone to help bring the ball up the court, can facilitate the offense (collect 3-5 assists a night) and hit the open 3. That is why Bibby works with JJ. That is why Nash and Paul would not work with JJ. Evans simply has to have the ball in his hands. That is why Beno works with Evans. But the Kings may have someone already you can do all that and plays pretty good “D”. Maybe Cisco???
We needed help in the middle. Is Landry the solution to all our middle problems? No, but he will be a big help.
I know most of you will disagree with me, but it had to be done and I think it benefits the KIngs in the long run. I hope now that JP with parlay the T-Mac contract into something valuable too that will help us out.
by noreboundsnorings on Feb 18, 2010 7:04 AM PST reply actions
sorry for a few typos
sorry. should be “thought Evans” , not “thught Evans” and should be “someone already who” not “someone already you.”
by noreboundsnorings on Feb 18, 2010 7:07 AM PST reply actions
One of the games most underrated talents to ever play the game.
This divorce is something that everyone in the world saw but us. I think that’s why it hurts. We thought we could do it different. And we found out otherwise even though our head said it all along. Fuck, truth is a bitch.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 7:12 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
this does feel like a divorce...
And we are the kids who never saw it coming.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
by jjham15 on Feb 18, 2010 8:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Good analogy
Ignoring the problems in a marriage because you don’t want to contemplate divorce. And thinking Petrie shared your world view set you up for a major disappointment when the breakup came.
Petrie, considering the Maloof’s financial issues, has had to become more like Gordon Gekko: “It’s all about the bucks, kid.”
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Good player
And, I think more importantly, good citizen.
Was a positve role model that became the face of the franchise.
Led the NBA contingent for the b-ball camp in Indonesia – and brought his grandmother.
And, when healthy, he could flat out ball.
We all exemplify the ‘fanatic’ that defines a fan.
Although it may have been time for him to go, his departure is still a punch in the gut.
Probably not the most reasoned response, but I can say I have been a fanatic for Speed since his arrival and will miss the boy (now, man) from Zanesville.
A lot.
Shouldn't say I told you so, but I wouldnt be a proper troll unless I do.
I said months ago this trade would definitely happen, because Petrie knows the game and isn’t swayed by impressive stats or nostalgia like many people here.
That said, I had no problem with K Mart the person. He was a hard worker and good scorer. He’s just a better fit on a different team right now, pure and simple. He needs major help and guys who can allow him to run around and be sneaky, get his shot off. He should never be taking it the rim, he simply doesn’t have the body for it.
I do wish him good luck and less injuries. But I think the Kings style will completely change now for the better.
You can say I told you so about the trade
I guess…I can’t remember if you said it would definitely happen or not. But claiming victory that the trade makes us a better team is way premature.
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
I love I told you so's on a day like today.
What an appropriate day for it.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Give them their due, its their moment in the sun.
If I were Spencer Hawes, I’d be getting fitted for a hater-proof vest now though. He’s the obvious target now.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
What's amazing that JT isn't.
Go figure.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
And when K-Mart comes back and lights up up for years to come
VB can claim he knew that all along too. Hope that makes your day as well.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
At least VB seemed to make an effort to reach out while writing his gloating post.
I give him some credit for that.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Sammy he is not.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Ike is averaging 30ppg over the last 2
Better get him resigned! Offer him the midlevel!
as a houston fan let me say thank you for k-mart, but also say take or carl landry and dorsey while dorsey is still an unproven commodity he has some major skill. and as for carl he is simply a freak, beast, boss hog what ever u call knkow he will start and inspire ur team ur getting a man who got 5 of his teeth knocked out in games and came running back to play on three occasions. on his way home from a victory he got car jacked, shot , retained his property and still played in the playoffs at a high level. the man is second in the league last time i checked in forth quater points he averages 16 a game as a 6th man and can play both 4 and 3 position he is simply a gamer and we will miss him dearly if u look at the dream shake thats all were saying is man if only we didnt have to give up landry take any one but brooks landry or scola and now hes gone but in the beatss departure we get speed racer so for that thank u sac-town who by the way is the home town of my brother thank u and take care of landry
My favorite all time King.
Classy, Talented, Hardworking. Nothing else to say I am sad to see him go but happy he got out of a venomous situation.
Hope
MY FAVORITE PLAYER OF ALL TIME..NO DOUBT...>KEVIN MARTIN<
My role model and favorite player….Im buying his houston jersey
Wow.
I have no words. None.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 18, 2010 7:24 AM PST reply actions
Is it proof I'm a punk if I start crying?
That’s how sad this makes me.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I am right with you bud
I woke up this morning (on teh road for work) to this and felt physically ill. I’ve never once changed team loyalties because of a trade, and I probably won’t now. But this . . . this . .. I suspect I’ll spend teh rest of the season following the Jazz and the Rockets. Kevin, I am only grateful you get to escape punks like Peaches. Wich I could go with you.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
There's possibilities down the road.
But yea SB, this really sucks beyond belief. And, I’m just as mad as the franchise and the other players as I am Speed. I’m just mad mad mad is the only way I can put it.
Oh well. It feels like today will only be a funeral. But, we’ll move on. We always do.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I'm fine chen. Thanks for asking.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Well he wanted to go too.
It just hurts nonetheless. And, I’m still pissed by his getting boo’d in Arco.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
cry some for me
I’m a big burly man so i can’t do it, but i feel the pain
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
I ain't a small child either.
But I’m going to shed a tear I know it.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Too Sad to even think about this
Goodbye K-Mart….You were also my all time favorite King player, mostly because of all the things that have already been said…I watched you grow into the amazing player you are now. I remember watching the Kings play on a nationally broadcast game (so like two years ago) and the commentators were astounded to see how fast Kevin really was. I’m too sad to go to work today. I’m going to miss him…
Martin had so much talent...
But let’s remember he had serious injury problems too. I think Landry is going to help this team a whole lot more than we’re thinking right now. Defense is still our #1 issue and Martin quit playin’ D a long time ago.
Think of all the cap space we have and didn’t have to get rid of any draft picks. I like our future outlook
Hate to say it...
Not really. But, Told ya so. Dude is injury prone, not a leader, and was unable to coexhist with Evans. Not sure how nobody saw this coming.
There will be a SammyP wherever you go. But don't worry, it scared me at first too.
Hey man...
I’m just sayin. It was crystal clear that this was bound to happen. And like I’ve said before, it’s not that I dislike Kevin Martin, but he just didn’t fit with the team anymore.
There will be a SammyP wherever you go. But don't worry, it scared me at first too.
Just sayin'
Nobody likes you right now. Show some tact and class. It’s the least you can do.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Feb 18, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Crawl back into your hole
Because when K-Mart suddenly “becomes” a leader on teh Rockets and not only smokes us, but other teams in the playoffs, I doubt you’ll be tooting your punk-ass little tin horn then. So really, just go away and let the real Kings fans mourn in peace.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
Uh oh SB & cursing. This is definitely a bad day.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
He wont be a leader. It's not in him.
And don’t hate on me because I’m not emotional distressed over this. Basketball is a business! This was bound to happen.
There will be a SammyP wherever you go. But don't worry, it scared me at first too.
Go away
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
Kevin Martin
is the reason i am a Kings fan today. I started seriously watching them in the first Jazz series when Vlade missed the last second shot in the playoffs. Went through game 6 in 2002 and slowly watched the team be dismembered over the next few seasons. But then…who is this scrawny kid? He came out of nowhere, literally, I don’t think Zanesville technically qualifies as “somewhere” and he captured my imagination with his awkward shooting motion and completely classy demeanor. I was a fan before he came, but i fell in love with the team because of him.
Kevin is the only reason i watched the last 30 games last year. I just wanted to see him score. I’m toen on the whole trade. I see the benefits, but as Ziller said…he was our guy. Tyreke is a better all around player, but he has yet to grip me the way Speed does.
I feel kind of like i did when Montana went to the Chiefs. I get it, but i might just root for him over my team when they play again.
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
"Told you so"
I can understand Pookey’s comments about this may not be the best day for “I told you so.” However, there have been several days in the last few weeks when those same people (myself at times included) have been called morons, idiots, dumbf…ks. don’t have a clue what we are talking about, K-Mart for expirings (yea right), have a vendatta against Martin, etc, etc, etc.
The best day, probably not. But some of us have had very valid points over the last few weeks that just got riduculed and were piled on. I guess GP validated some our points.
by noreboundsnorings on Feb 18, 2010 7:43 AM PST reply actions
Carl Landry is not a throw-in.
He’s not an All-Star but scrub he is not. If you ask me would I rather have Carl Landry or Al Jefferson, I would answer one player every time. You guess who that is.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
This deal
is a hell of a lot better than Kevin for expirings like was bandied about.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
by Grasul on Feb 18, 2010 7:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A fucking men.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Amen
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
WELCOME to Houston K-Mart...Clutch City is at your feet....
To all Kings’ fans, I know it must suck for you guys to lose your best player (although Reke might be the best know for you) but I can GUARANTEE you that Landry is off the charts…
You will LOVE this guy, and will only get better…True stud to plug at PF with great mid-range shot and rebounds like a 7 footer…
Reke is the best player on the Kings roster.
That hurt Speed too.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
actually
I love Landry’s game, but the guy’s not much of a rebounder, better offensive than defensive, but still nothing to write home about.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Wrong..Landry is a great rebounder, especially offensive...Can post, shoot...and
is getting better at blocking shots….Trust me, we in Houston would rather have traded Scola over Landry….If given 36min a game Landry will score 20p and grab 10+ rebounds…
Lol
there’s stats for this you know: Basketball Reference
Landry this year, rebounds per 36 minutes 7.3, last year, 8.4.
Rebounding Rates Offensive this year 9.5 (not bad), Defensive this year 13.8 (awful, much worse than the Center we kill around here all the time for bad rebounding).
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
That's what I told Dave last night on 1140.
He told me that the Kings are good o-boarders because they miss a lot of shots. I didn’t have the heart to tell him he was mis-understanding what I meant about the 3rd best O board team in the NBA. I didn’t think it was worth it.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
He's a Petrie special
I like Landry, but he’s an offensive guy – he’s not going to address the cry around here for post defense and rebounding.
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
No he's a small piece in a much larger puzzle.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Landry
Agree with Pookey too, the dude can play and will be a big help. He may be a “Brockman with skills???”
by noreboundsnorings on Feb 18, 2010 7:50 AM PST reply actions
He's not the rebounder Brockman is.
Brockman only wishes he had Landry’s offensive skills.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Those are going to be some great practice sessions.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Landry
is a slightly better offensive rebounder than Hawes, and a much worse defensive rebounder, which will hopefully recalibrate expectations.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Landry & Hawes could kill it inside as an inside/high post combo Gras.
That’s something that is a strong silver lining here. Landry can play. I wish it wasn’t at the expense of Speed, but the marriage was over. Doesn’t mean i probably won’t shed a tear or two either. Today sucks.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I'm completely onboard with Landry
he’s really good, at offense, especially at finishing, so he should play really well with Spencer.
But he’s nothing like Brockman; he doesn’t rebound remotely like him.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Yep yep.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Or Dorsey
I think Dorsey is a better player than Brockman; he’s actually a solid defender. Dorsey wasn’t just a chuck-in, IMO.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Oh you've got be shitting me
You take retardation and then act like it’s on speed, lsd and meth all at the same time. Only you Smills.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
We'll miss Martin, probably more than some think
Landry is a good Player, tough, nice guy, blue collar – and a Purdue guy who made it so I like that. Is he really a starter on a playoff team? I have my doubts.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
3rd PF? I like him as that.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Or 3rd big I mean.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
His PER's 20 for his career
and he’s not much of a rebounder. On offense, you’re going to be very, very pleasantly surprised.
He’s not the defender you want though Lttg, so don’t have any illusions there, but he could definitely be a starter for a playoff team. Landry actually has a post game. Like he goes near the basket with his man behind him, we throw the ball to him, and the other team does something other than chuckle to themselves and wonder why we’d bother posting someone other than our point guard. Its something we’re not used to, I understand, but he’s actually good.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
I actually wonder if we got our choice of Scola or Landry.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
And probably not.
I don’t think Morey ever considered giving him up. Argh.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Not the defender I want - I know
and we do need to get an interior defender somewhere to make a real playoff push at some point.
But I do like the guy.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Goodbye Speedrace
You will remain my favorite King because of what you represent. You’re that skinny kid from Ohio who came into the league as an unknown and you worked your ass off to become something good, something great even. I appreciate the person you are, and though, this is a business, I value the person first, and the player second. Call me an eternal optimist, but I thought you were staying through all this crap everyone gave you.
You worked hard every offseason. You never complained about this old cowtown; never once did you ask for a trade. You came in, did your job, became the best player possible and earned some true fans on your way. Unfortunately, that’s wasn’t enough for some.
So, congratulations Grant Napear. Congratulations, everyone who wanted Kevin Martin gone. Congratulations boo birds. Hell, congratulations city of Sacramento for showing your true colors. You all have a new toy to play with now, and completely forgot how much fun you had with the old one. Maybe we were terrible when Kevin Martin was “the man” but the true fans we’re still here, trying to make the best out of it, and appreciated the guy.
It’s business, some will say, but to me for the past couple weeks, we’ve been kicking a good person while he’s down and he didn’t deserve it.
Good luck Speed. I know I’ll be rooting for you in the playoffs and will still be defending you when someone brings your name up again. I will continue to proudly wear #23 to Arco and represent, not just for a good player, but for a great person that gave his all to this team and city.
Thank you Kevin Martin. I’ll miss you bro.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Feb 18, 2010 8:14 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
It will be impossible for me to root against the Rockets completely.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Fuck Grant Napear
that classless piece of shit. No wonder why Kevin wanted out. You have the play-by-play guy putting him on blast on his afternoon Rome-wannabe radio show, soured a bunch of stupid fans towards him, and not so much as a “We stand behind you” from Petrie or Westphal.
Kevin on the other hand, has all the class in the world. Staying behind the scenes with Petrie when discussing trade scenarios, and not completely losing his shit when talking to Grant (like I would have done). So again, fuck you Grant, and you can rest assured that I will be continuously emailing Maloof Sports and Entertainment and asking for your replacement. Katye or Andy Sims FTW.
by VenomySnicket on Feb 18, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
Well said edm
There were a few power plays involved here, which is part of the business – I get that. It’s just too bad a few groups (KHTK specifically) felt the need to splash shit all over Kevin to make this happen.
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
Not that this matters
I surely thought I’d hit 50000 comments at StR before Speed would get traded. Whoops.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Well, my day's ruined
This is tough to swallow. I think Landry is a nice player but regardless of the assets we got back it’s hard to see such a class act leave the Kings. Especially with the way he’s been treated of late by the organization. Best of luck, Speedracer.
by famous_mortimer on Feb 18, 2010 8:31 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Cal Landry - Corliss v. 2.0 - the Detroit Model
Yes Carl Landry is a better post player than what we currently have, but let’s not get too excited. Landry is Corliss during the Detroit years – a guy that can score almost at will in the post but can’t rebound and has a hard time defending his position against the bigger 4s out there. To me this is a salary move more than anything else – Landry is not the long-term answer to go up against Gasol, Griffin, Duncan, etc. over the next 3-4 years.
That being said, Petrie is great chess player so lets up hope moves 2, 3, & 4 are good ones.
I hadn't thought about it that way. But Landry is similar to Corliss that way.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Dear Kevin,
I think you’re a great guy, but this just isn’t working anymore. I love you, I really do… but I’m not in love with you. It’s not you, it’s me. I know you’ve been hearing everyone say that it’s because there’s someone else, but I swear it’s not that. Yes, there is another guy, but I really did want to make it work with you, and he understood that too. We tried Kevin, we really tried. I just want you to be happy, and I think it would be better for both of us if we just… moved on.
Sincerely,
The Kings
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 18, 2010 8:43 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Kevin I'll miss you
I remember after we traded Peja and you started lighting up the league, I thought “Hey this cat is good. Damn good. Who needs Peja?” Peja Stojakovic had been my favorite player on the Kings, mostly because I was addicted to the 3 point shot when I played (you could probably compare me to Noc on the court, as much as I hate to say it). But Peja was my favorite (Hence the 16 in my username). Then you came along Kevin and changed all of that. You were the only thing worth watching in Sacramento for the last few years. We gasped at your efficiency, were left in awe at your shooting stroke. We commiserated with your injuries, and celebrated with your scoring outbursts.
I’m not going to say this trade doesn’t hurt, because it does, but I think it was for the best. Clearly something was not right with Kevin here in Sacramento, and now he gets to go to a better situation in Houston where he has the chance to be better appreciated and possibly contend for a championship sooner.
So good luck Kevin. I wish you the best, and I’ll be at Arco on April 12th to give you your deserved applause.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2010 9:14 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Houston, do we have liftoff or a problem?
Houston is on the playoff bubble, and the question is how well Kevin is going to fit in with the Rockets and how much they will miss Landry.
This deal makes their front line a lot weaker with David Anderson and K9 now fighting to be the third up-front option behind Scola and Hayes. Obviously that’s not a problem when (if?) Yao comes back. Meanwhile, Martin might take away minutes from Ariza and Battier and the two point guards, although he’s more likely just to take Budinger’s minutes.
Houston is 28-25, 2 1/2 games back for the 8th spot, without Kevin Martin. Now we’ll get to see what the record is with Martin and whether he takes them to the playoffs or is blamed for them not making them.
This deal for Houston is more about setting the table for a run in 2010-2011, when Yao comes back.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 9:32 AM PST reply actions
I want to come across as harsh here...
It just strikes me as ironic that Kevin has been hammered since he came back from injury & now everyone is acting like the world has ended. I know some stuck by Kevin, and I did my best too as well, but the writing was on the wall. His demeanor and attitude didn’t seem to be working. This wasn’t the same player who has averaged 25ppg past few years. While Evans has run the show, Kevin has taken a backseat. Say what you will about this whole incident of him not coming into the game against Boston, I find it interesting he is traded the next day.
With that said. I’ve always like Kevin & I do appreciate what he has done for the Kings. My only wish is that we (as kings fans…and I include myself in this) had given him a little more support & not expected to much out of him. I will miss him, but I think Houston will be a better fit for KMart. Best wishes bro!
This isn’t the end for kings fans. We can miss Kevin, but good days are still ahead.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
haha sorry...I meant to say I "don't" want to come across as harsh.
sorry for the typo.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
So Long Kevin
I feel a bit like I have been punched in the gut this morning.
You will be missed.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 18, 2010 10:46 AM PST reply actions
I think this trade is partially about Geoff Petrie
He’s such a great talent evaluator who knows the NBA is about building around a franchise player. He’s overpayed home talent with C-Webb, Bibby, and finally Kevin, trying to get a franchise player with perennially high position draft picks. As pretty as Kevin is to watch, a scoring guard who doesn’t play consistent defense or necessarily make his teammates better can’t be a franchise player (even Kobe had to learn that.) With last years collapse, Petrie was finally able to get his franchise in Tyreke. Now Petrie builds and erases his previous mistake.
Ron Rivera for Cal Head Coach. I'm a one man movement!
by bringbackbuddytrees on Feb 19, 2010 6:06 AM PST reply actions
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