Carl Landry, We Welcome You With Open Arms
by Tom Ziller on Feb 18, 2010 7:34 AM PST
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PrintAs we mourn the loss of Kevin Martin, let's not underrate the value, impact and talent of Carl Landry. Our friend Zach Harper of Cowbell Kingdom reminds us of Landry's toughness. Carl got shot in the leg (with a bullet!) after a car ran him off the road while driving home from a game last spring, and Landry ran away while the would-be robbers chased. (Landry was back on the court within weeks.) This year, Landry famously walked away calmly from a collision in which several pieces of his mouth got embedded in Dirk Nowitzki's arm.
But beyond all that cowboy machismo, Landry is really freaking good. At basketball.
Landry is 19th in the league in Hollinger's PER this season. He's 11th among forwards, and 14th among all big men. He's 16th in per-minute scoring among all players (21.3 points per 36 minutes). And he isn't scoring all those points because he's taking a ton of shots: among those who have played 500 minutes this season, he's 13th in True Shooting percentage (.621), and sixth among forwards. Of all players who average at least 20 points per 36 minutes, he's the most efficient.
Landry basically scores as frequently as Brandon Roy and Tim Duncan ... but does so far more efficiently. He scores one point fewer than Amare Stoudemire for every 36 minutes played ... but gets his more efficiently. This season, Landry has scored more frequently than Kevin Martin, and done so far, far more efficiently.
Basically, Landry is the forward version of the 2006-07 and 2007-08 Kevin Martin.
Like that Martin, Landry isn't renowned as a defender or passer. He can't touch Roy or Duncan, obviously, in either category. But he is a really, really good scorer. And efficient! I'll repeat: we're basically trading for the forward version of Martin.
Landry doesn't figure to help much on the defensive boards: he's been worse than Spencer Hawes or Jason Thompson for his entire career. But he has played with really good rebounders -- Chuck Hayes, Luis Scola, Yao Ming, Dikembe Mutombo -- in Houston, so perhaps we'll see his numbers improve in that category. He's a solid offensive rebounder (better in previous years), but again, his draw is scoring. Efficient, frequent scoring.
The loss of Martin breaks my heart, it breaks my heart. But I'm beyond stoked to see what Landry can do in Sacramento. Get it, homey.
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Excellent description
Great stuff, Tom. Both on this and the Martin piece. I really believe Carl Landry is a steal in this whole shibang.
by Zach H from Talk H on Feb 18, 2010 7:36 AM PST reply actions
No we dumped Kmart for Tmac's expiring deal
We just insisted that Landry be part of the deal.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
we still had to give a little to get a little.
No stealing involved
by sac_faithful on Feb 18, 2010 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah Kenny Thomas Hilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez
Big loss there. < / sarcasm >
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
That's impossible.
I’ll always miss him. Even if he goes on to great success in Houston or wherever else.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Ya
I liked him a lot I am sad to see him go. If he lights it up in Houston I won’t be angry or jealous I kinda like Houston and Kevin Martin being successful is fine with me
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
Wanted to say again Zach
Great article.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Look people
Landry is not a scrub. He shoots 61% in the paint. He shoots nearly 85% from the line. His only negatives are really defense and probably great post defense. And, the guy is making 3 million a year. Al Jefferson gets paid 4 times more to do basically be a slightly better version of Landry.
Relax it’s not all bad. Dude can play.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 7:40 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Are rebounding^
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I meant rebounding and post defense are his 2 main negatives.
But Al Jefferson is probably just as bad at them.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I don't think anyone is down on the Landry addition.
Just trying to assess someone they don’t know in relation to what we lost.
by sac_faithful on Feb 18, 2010 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
Let's not do that.
They aren’t the same player. Landry helps us in different ways. Let’s be happy with that. This is not a pure salary dump. It’s also about Landry. Let’s remember that.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
It seems like you follow me around just to contradict what I say lol
I am speaking on an emotional level, reckoning the past with the future
by sac_faithful on Feb 18, 2010 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
Have fun.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
His Rebounding might be better than we think
He does compet for boards with Scola, Yao when healthy and Hayes
Using this season's stats
His rebounding most closely resembles Spencer Hawes using rebound ’s. Hawes is a moderately better defensive rebounder, and a slightly worse offensive rebounder. Side not, looking at the kings rebound percentages, Brockman is some kind of beast on the offensive glass, my lord. He grabs 19 of all offensive rebounds available, that is incredibe…
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
should say rebound % 's
and 19 % of all offensive boards
Not sure why the percentage sign disapeared
RUDY > MJ
Thank you KP
Yep
Nobody to compete with for board in Sac
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
boards^
half joking thompson can crash the glass pretty well
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
Nicely done
And, the guy is making 3 million a year. Al Jefferson gets paid 4 times more to do basically be a slightly better version of Landry.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
This.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Landry is actually not horrific defensively.
If you look at his page on 82games.com, it appears he’s very versatile. When he plays the 3, he’s a huge mismatch on both offense and defense, as his defensive stats at the 3 are stellar (albeit likely with a very SSS), and his offensive stats also jump. At C, he’s an offensive mismatch for most centers, as he’s MUCH quicker than almost all of them. At the 4, he’s still quicker than most 4s, but he’s strong enough to post up the weaker ones. When the Kings want to go big, Landry can play the 3. When the Kings want to go small, Landry can play the 5. They can play him at the 4 anytime. I am very excited for this guy.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Carl Landy is a poor man's Chapu.
So he’s pretty freaking good.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
Thank You for making me laugh Chapu.
If nothing else, your willful ignorance is beyond humorous.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
No one else on the Kings has led their team to the playoffs as much as Chapu has
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
Chapu
You’re not making a real strong argument.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Chapu you had better be related to Noc by blood.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Lets hang out.
I’m in Buenos Aires. You are probably in Bahia Blanca though.
by VenomySnicket on Feb 18, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
Or Milwaukee.
Go figure a nice guy like Chapu.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Good memory, dude.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Feb 18, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
I love the chart that shows everyone who are Superstars and Harrington who plays in a fast paced system that greatly inflates stats.
Landry is going to shock people here. Offensively though, dude may be more talented than any player the Kings now have minus Reke.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
not more offensively talented than
Reke or Nocioni you meant.
(in before the chapu)
:-)
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
by Grasul on Feb 18, 2010 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I'll play the asshole
Why trade a SG who can’t defend or rebound for a PF who can’t defend or rebound, placing him on a frontline who as a whole cannot defend or rebound? Seems like we’re compounding what was our biggest problem.
If that is the case
At least we have a post scoring threat
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
Easy.
Didn’t anyone ever tell you two negatives equal a positive!
There will be a SammyP wherever you go. But don't worry, it scared me at first too.
Multiplying two negatives makes a positive
Adding two negatives makes a negative.
(Kevin Martin + Sergio Rodriguez)*(PER) – Kings + (Carl Landry/rebound rate) – Hilton Armstrong = John Hollinger?
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
First thing I thought as well...
I really really like Landry’s game, and he seems absurdly tough. But I don’t see what were trying to build towards.
The "building towards" part
is scary, yes. In a year, we could see Martin tearing it up in the playoffs for the Rockets, while Landry leaves us to a big money payday somewhere else. And in the end, we might have the Knicks 2012 #1, which for all we know could be anywhere between 1 and 30.
Hold tight; big man coming for McGrady...
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
So what does our rotation look like now?
Omar Minaya is my hero!
by Scott Coleman on Feb 18, 2010 8:20 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Reke Beno PG
Donte/Omri/Beno/Cisco SG Donte/Omri/Cisco/Noc SF Donte/Noc/JT/Brockman/May/Landry/Dorsey PF C Hawes/Thompson
Not exactly it completely, but that’s pretty much it.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I think until Cisco is back completely (training camp probably)
Guards: Tyreke/Beno starting Cisco/Sergio backing them up
Forwards: Landry(within a couple of weeks)/Donte starting, Casspi/JT off the bench until Casspi gets Salmonsitis and “needs” to start.
Center: Hawes with JT backing him up mostly.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
I thought Sergio was going to Houston.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
same here
Omar Minaya is my hero!
by Scott Coleman on Feb 18, 2010 8:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
i'd prefer
Reke
Donte
Omri
Landry
Hawes
we would have a huge starting 5.
Omar Minaya is my hero!
by Scott Coleman on Feb 18, 2010 8:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
can that 5 get the ball up the floor and into the offense?
If so, you could be right. I just don’t see Donte or Omri as guards personally, they seem like forwards to me.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Time to crank up the Journey!
So now I coooommmme to yooooou with oooooooopen arrrrms!
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Feb 18, 2010 8:22 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Only you Muff.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Why hasn't someone compiled a Martin highlight reel set to Separate Ways yet?
Some day love (maybe even Kevin Love) will find you Speed, break those chains that bind you.
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Feb 18, 2010 8:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think Yao & Speed could be great
Yao has all the attributes BradBaby did.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Agreed
Especially with Adelman there. Rise Guys are saying Houston fans are killing the deal on their end, but they just don’t know what they have yet. Healthy Yao plus Martin is a scary combo.
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Feb 18, 2010 8:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
That isn't true either. Dream Shake guys love it. It depends on which Houston fans you're talking about.
One Houston fan went on Dave’s show last night (not sure if you heard him) and acted like losing Landry would kill Houston’s offense. It made me wonder if he knew who Speed was Muff.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Figured as much
The Rise Guys have been more insufferable than usual lately. I’m not sure what it is and I love Kreidler, I just think they rely on too much morning sports talk schtick now. Basically they’re Sportsline lite. Their formula is, take a widely held belief, have Phantom take some odd stance to generate calls, listen as the annoying Sportsline callers flood morning radio and make it unlistenable.
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Feb 18, 2010 8:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not shocked.
Kreidler for what he is is not a talk show guy. He’s just too intelligent and calm.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I think he's fine on the show
I just think more recently Whitey and Phantom have gotten more morning zoo schticky. Phantom specifically is trying way too hard to be some sort of Napes/Skip Bayless contrarian hybrid but doesn’t take it to the levels those guys do. Whitey’s just kind of there and Kreidler no sells Phantom’s shit because he knows it’s schtick to generate calls.
Long story short, I think they made up the Houston fans being pissed story to shore up callers because they can’t generate an interesting radio program anymore. Somehow, I blame Joe Pittman.
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Feb 18, 2010 8:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
KHTK has no real leadership.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Mentally weak
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Kreidler's the only reason I even tune in
I think both the morning (Whitey) and afternoon (Peaches) shows are hoping to wield the power that many of their big city counterparts have – and that is to be influential on public opinion and the sports organizations of that city.
It’s a power play – if they have the power to get players moved around, then the organization has to cowtow to them a bit.
KHTK had a lot of success here – if you consider muddying up the name of a well-liked, hard-working player like Kevin Martin a success.
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
i can't stand the rise guys anymore they are just terrible
i listed The Herd, much better show even though it is national.
I don't like you Detroit.
Rise Guys
I was listening to them early this morning they would talk about the trade for a second then take 2 callers then have 1 hour of commercials
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
I was listening to them this morning just
because I wanted to hear about the trade, but other than that i like to listen to colin cowherd.
I don't like you Detroit.
I think it has been going both ways
Houston adored Landry and don’t know much about Kmart probably just consider him injury proned score can’t do much else so they are pissed.
Kings fans angry that a 30ppg scorer who they loved is traded for a undersized 6th man.
So do Kings fans think Houston got a good deal and Houston thinks Sac got a good deal? haha
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
Well, that and we've been suffering from two injury-prone stars for a while now.
So we’re somewhat paranoid about this whole injury-prone issue for Martin.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
I don't know much about Landry & this does not make me feel any better
Please read this again & ask yourself who this reminds you of. A certain big man who we picked up after a season when he led the league in field goal percentage(efficient), not a good rebounder, not a good defender.
I love beating dead horses.
Mikki Moore!
Except Landry is a great post player and isn’t an awful defender, and is young, athletic, and versatile. Mikki Moore was a 30-something year old 7-foot shooting guard.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
With really bad handles
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 19, 2010 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
You talkin bout Tizzy or Antoine Carr?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
kenny t?
but did not have the bad defender bad rb rap.
otherwise this comparison crossed my mind. we get rid of our “star” who may be past his prime for “cap relief” and “attractive pieces” and an “undersized underrated” 4 man is the centerpiece coming back.
I still haven’t heard a convincing explanation as to why bosh wouldn’t come here… where’s he from? maybe he doesn’t like subzero temps and snow? maybe he’d rather play with reke than chris duhon?
no jared jeffries PLEASE
by lchristmas on Feb 18, 2010 8:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Give it a month
Landry’s a lot better than you think he is.
He’s not the savior, but let it stew for a while, I think you’re going to be pleasently surprised.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Chris Bosh is from Dallas originally.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
ok.
so if ny signs lebron they’ll have no more room for bosh
if they can’t sign lebron why would bosh want to go there
miami gets amare so that’s out as a bosh destination
so he can come here or to new jersey
say hello to your 2010-2011 kings
john wall
tyreke evans
omri casspi
carl landry
chris bosh
donte greene
jason thompson
spencer hawes
beno udrih
cisco
joey dorsey
chapu
brockman
a kid can dream, no?
by lchristmas on Feb 18, 2010 9:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
and least we don't have money tied up in him
if he pans out then good for us, if not big deal he doesn’t have a long term contract
I don't like you Detroit.
If Landry walks, we basically traded K-Mart for nothing
Not sure how that is a consolation.
we cleared his contract of the books
i didn’t want to trade k-mart, a guy was demonized by the media, and is a great player, no reason to trade him.
I don't like you Detroit.
Landry's going to get paid
by all indications.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
This puts the Kings in a dangerous place though. How much do you pay for an undersized 4 who doesnt rebound or play D particularly well? Some team out there (incl. the Kings) may be willing to overpay for his services. We might be in a position of paying dearly to retain his services, or let him go and look bad for trading an All-star caliber player for a year rental of Landry.
Landry is as close to being an All-Star as Kevin ever was.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
We'll have some sort of answer to that question once we see him play for us.
Right now it’s too difficult (and therefore pointless) to think about his future price tag.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
Mikki Moore played alongside Kidd.
Bad comparison.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
by jjham15 on Feb 18, 2010 9:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
NICE!!! jjham you guessed it Mikki effin Moore
even if you don’t agree he is Mikki you can’t deny the description fit him perfectly when he came to Sac.
I love beating dead horses.
hahaha
you just compared Carl Landry to Mikki Moore?
You might want to do a little research.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Oh God I hope not
Mikki Moore was a terrible player. Carl Landry better be a whole lot better than Moore.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
No, no, no Grasul I wasn't comparing Landry to Mikki Moore
Only pointing out that when we aquired Mikki Moore he was described as top of the league in FG%, not a good rebounder, not a good defender. That is the same type of description we just got for Landry. I just thought it was funny. Actually I did a little research & he seems to me like more of a Milsap or Blair type player minus the rebounds.
I love beating dead horses.
What is a Millsap or Blair type
without the rebounds?
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
Yeah........thanks.
I think I was more agreeing than criticizing. If we just added to ( the incidentally and apparently rejuvenated) Jason Thompson some front-court muscle that will rebound, defend, and keep it going when JT gets into foul trouble, all right. Otherwise I don’t know what was accomplished other than signing the divorce papers Martin served.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
on statistics only
mikki’s high percentage was due to dunks and wide open 15 footers, plus he was old
landry has actual offensive skills, I don’t think you had any nba analysts talking about mikki as one of the most underrated players in the league or a 6th man candidate
plus I don’t recall landry wearing magnetized mittens on the floor during a game
(mikki couldn’t catch that reference hardy har har)
by lchristmas on Feb 18, 2010 9:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
breaking stuff
A breaking trade scenario has emerged between Charlotte and Chicago involving Tyrus Thomas.
The deal would send several expiring contracts along with a first round draft pick. Charlotte may be a good destination for Thomas with the mediocre Nazr Mohammed and the oft-injured Tyson Chandler the only people standing in his way.
from rotoworld
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 8:51 AM PST reply actions
Hey Sactown Royaly!
I was at game last night. :D. Tyreke is awesome BUTTTT steph was bettter. (rookie of the year race heating up)
That being said i think i proposed this EXACT trade 1 month ago and got laughed off your blog. Just wanna say congrats. This is a great trade for you. Love Landry’s game and the cap space will let you make some nice moves in summer.
The ROY contest is definetly not over.
Stephen Curry is on a roll now. He will no doubt win Rookie of the Month for a second month in a row. That will tie the two rookies. Whoever, finishes strongest will win. Of course, I hope that will by Tyreke.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I like Curry alot...
I do. But it would take a dramatic decline in Tyreke to lose ROY.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
as unfair as it is to say....
Curry has a bigger name and is more media savvy, and we know how far that goes with Stern (rolls eyes)
That being said i’d trade curry for Tyreke. That also said, i’d love to team them up in a backcourt. You guys want monta?
I can think of 100 guys in the NBA
I’d want ahead of Monta
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Curry has a bigger name?
Really?
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I'm going to go out on a short limb here and say that...
If Tyreke finishes the season averaging 20ppg 5rpg 5apg then it doesn’t matter what Stephen Curry or anyone else does.
probably...
But food for thought….
since jan 1, Curry in last 22 games:
19.4 PPG, 46.6 FG%, 44.1 3pt%, 6 apg, 4.4 rpg, 1.9 steals
overall season is 14.9, 45.4, 41.6, 4, 5.2, 1.9
And the best (and worst) part… his numbers when monta’s been out r ridiculous…. something around 25 and 10 and 6. Incase you guys ever question petrie, just remember this: Warriors GM LArry Riley rejected OJ Mayo + expirings 4 Monta saying “monta is untradeable”. How on earth do you call anyone on a 15-38 team untradeable!? Rant End
I wish I were so sure about that. It is not a gimme for Tyreke.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
What?
Curry has been doing for 1-1/2 months what Tyreke has been doing all year. Don’t get me wrong Curry is great, should be #2 easy but If Tyreke does it for 5 months & Curry does it for 3 how is that close? I agree Curry has catapulted himself into a young star but it is rookie of the year not rookie of the 2nd half of the year.
I love beating dead horses.
Not true.
It will absolutely be about who does it for the next two months.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
So what if they both put up the same numbers & teams have similar records
in the last two months? That means it should be a close race? The only way it should be close is if Tyreke puts up similar numbers in the last 2 months as Curry did in the first 2. Or if the numbers stay the same & the warriors finish with a much better record.
I love beating dead horses.
I got ya. And I know what you mean
about what it should be. But what it will be is about who makes the best impression last.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
from a Rockets fan
You guys are going to love Carl Landry. The guy plays hard, has a lot of heart, and he can ball. He is still growing as a player and should continue to as a King. Most Rockets fans are happpy to get Speed, but wish we didn’t have to give up Carl to get him.
You
Will LOVE kenny thomas too he’s a boss doggie
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 18, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
We want to love Carl Landry
You guys are going to love Carl Landry. The guy plays hard, has a lot of heart, and he can ball.
I am looking forward to Carl Landry. As many Kings’ fans, I am heart-broken over losing Kevin Martin. But, I am tired of being on the emotional roller-coaster, which has plagued the tumultuous return of Kevin to the team. I am tired of wanting so desperately for Kevin to fit in and then feeling so disappointed. Kevin will probably rebound for the Rockets, come back here to Arco to kick our butts. But, at the same time, I am ready for something to click. I don’t know anything about Landry, but from everything I have been reading about him, he sounds like he will be a good addition for the Kings. At this point, team chemistry seems to be a far more important factor to team success. While there has been controversy as to whether Tyreke and Kevin could play well together, I do feel there was something lacking in the overall chemistry. That is just my opinion. I think Kevin’s actions at the Celtics’ game bears that out. It may well be that a newcomer coming into “Tyreke’s team” will work better than a situation where Tyreke took over leadership from Kevin Martin. Whatever side of the fence people rode on argument, that experiment is over.
So, I have hope that we are going to see some positive things with this Carl Landry. Unfortunately, he is not going to do anything to shore up defense.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
On Kevin coming back to play the Kings:
While I love Kevin, don’t you look forward to him being guarded by Tyreke or Donte’ and seeing what happens?
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
I love this deal. Second year, lot of upside, Landry is a keeper. Think of the Carl's Jr. promos.
Sixth man of year candidate already. Seriously, he’s going to make a lot of Sac fans happy with his solid scoring and toughness inside and O rebounds.
pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty damn good. STOKED to watch the kings again.
i dont mind landry
but his main attributes are scoring and scoring. he’s not a good defender or defensive rebounder and this vague “toughness” you speak of doesn’t impress me much
he’s also in his 3rd year and is old for that at 26… he’s not likely to really improve that much
but he’s good already, it will be nice to have a big man who can average 20 given starter’s minutes
I don’t hate this like last night but I will if he walks after next year for nothing
by lchristmas on Feb 18, 2010 9:17 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
kings got a steal.....
hey guys im from houston and i must say a lot of us dont want landry to go but its a buisness. the kings just got a PF that is a hustler, The man can just straight up play ball and we probably traded him because he is guna demand a lot of money when he becomes a free agent but you guys got the best of the deal….an expiring contract and landry
Sounds good. Just hope that he will stay with us.
Course, if nothing else, Kings will have an expiring contract.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
wonderful
it breaks my heart to see kmart go. his jersey will be hung in my room, not even bibby or webber are up there. thats how much i loved this guy like tz said. he was OUR guy
So wait, Landry ran away from the armed robbers?
Soft.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 18, 2010 9:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Nice.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 18, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
HA! We're FINALLY on our way to becoming the most undersized team in he NBA
Or….the NBA’s only all-forward team. It’s a formula that’s always worked well for me in the NBA 2K series.
Seriously though, Landry and Evans should hopefully give us enough scoring oomph in the fourth.
hi i'm a warriors fan
no you don’t. :D
Landry isn’t that undersized is he? Listed at 6-9. His pre-draft measurements were 6-8.5, 248 lbs….. He’s no Bosh/Duncan but that’s not bad.
his efficiency of scoring in the post makes him a monster regardless his size.
I agree
It just that I get all sad-facey when I realize having Landry means that there will be fewer and fewer Brockness Monster sightings now. Not necessarily a bad thing, but still.
I guess we can’t have our pancakes and eat it too.
landry + brockman at samet time....
probably could beast the Raiders offensive line.
What interests me, whats gonna happen with all this cap space. You’ll be close to 20 mil below the cap next summer. At some point, you’ll have to pay Tyreke, Omri, Donte, JT, Hawes more than rookie contracts, but that doesn’t mean this money can’t be put to good use
Dorsey too
Dorsey is a better defensive version of Brockman.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Trade scenario with Knicks...
So with this trade scenario being discussed involving the Knicks, all I can think of is, what do the Knicks have to offer the Kings? And why would we help them out by sending them McGrady from Houston?
The only answer that I see as intelligent is if we are getting either draft picks, or David Lee. I know he is an expiring, but off all their players, this is the only guy I can really see helping our squad. I wouldn’t mind a frontcourt of Lee/Hawes/Landry/Thompson… Thoughts?
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
Some other notes about Landry
10% of his points are from dunks this year; he has athleticism and quickness from a big guy we haven’t seen since Webber was here.
He’s been great in the clutch this year: 73.9 eFG% this year, which is simply ridiculous.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Kings win big
Doesn’t matter if we keep McGrady or not – win big by dumping Kmart and his salary.
The Kmart lovers don’t realize that he’s way overpaid for a guy that does not much beside shoot J’s and hit his FT’s … and his value won’t be going up, it’s going down.
If Kings get another young stud from Knicks (Hill or Lee) and draft pick for 2011 – that’s 3 solid young players for Kmart and nothing. How can you not like that? Team was better with Udrih playing, and wouldn’t be worse with Cisco at 2 for the last 30 games.
Agreed
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Upgrade?
The thing is – you can’t look at Carl Landry in a vacuum – sure he is a solid player but the Kings are in the Western Conference and solid doesn’t get it done at the 4 position. Here’s the comparison…
4s in the West by rank:
Gasol
Duncan
Dirk
Boozer
Amare
Aldridge
West
Griffen – projection
Love
Landry
Kenyon
JT
Randolph
You might move guys around a spot or two but that’s how I see guys stacking up at the 4 in the West. Landry is at the bottom half and that’s giving him the benefit of putting him on the list instead of Scola. To keep it fair I did 1 guy per team but really Odom would be above Landry too.
On the other hand – let’s look at the 2s in the West:
Kobe
Roy
Monta
KMart
Terry
Ginobili
Battier
Gordon
Mayo
Barbosa
Brewer
JR Smith
Corey Brewer
Mo Peterson
So as it stands – you just traded the 4th best SG in the West (IMO) to the Rockets for the 4th worst PF on that list. You can move guys around here and there in the rankings but it won’t make much impact – you traded a guy in the top half of the players at his position for a guy in the bottom half. that’s the reality.
i hope landry does well but long-term this doesn’t help the kings. we still don’t match up in the post and we lost the potential edge we did have of having an explosive backcourt that other teams couldn’t match up against.
think about it – reke & kmart firing on all cylinders could have been the best backcourt in the NBA. Reke + Landry = meh. i’m holding out for the next move by petrie…
Thats based on the assumption
that Kmart would fire on all cylinders with Tyreke, which frankly was not going to happen. His comments post-trade show he was not happy with the team. I think he recognized he didnt fit with the new direction and didn’t really care for being the Veteran with a bunch of youngsters.
I like Landry because of his mentality. He is mentality tough and willing to bang around. That will work well with Reke.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
Had Reke and KMart been firing on all cylinders, we wouldn't be talking about this today.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Landry
Sixth in PER among power forwards with a PER more than 4 points higher than Kmart’s this season for a whole lot less $$$. Young, productive, physical, improving, versatile, not a head case — there’s a lot to like.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 19, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
If you're trying to argue that Kevin Martin is a headcase there is something delusionally wrong with you.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Head case
may be too strong. He certainly seems to have some confidence issues. He obviously wasn’t happy being a King, so in that sense, his head wasn’t right for this team.
He might struggle a little bit with Houston, but the thing is he’s going to get consistent touches and when he works around screens it’s going to be because he’s going to get the ball.
You could see the frustration here when he would work hard and Tyreke wouldn’t even be looking at him sometimes. I saw one moment in the Warriors game where he just retreated into the corner, bent over and put both hands on his knees. It’s too bad he went out with a whimper instead of a bang.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 19, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
I guess i'm going to start watching kings games
I’m a rockets fan thru and thru, but I’m a fan of landry and everything he does. So i going to keep following his career because he is worth it.
The identity is developing:
New Bad Boys of the West. But with all this so-called toughness, one would think defending the paint ought to receive more than lip service.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
enjoy carl landry.
he was the heart and soul of our team.
Rockets>>>>>>Jazz
Texans>>>>>>>Titans
Super Mario>>>>>>>Vince Young
Thanks. I've enjoyed him as a Rocket.
We finally have a big that can score on his own at will. I’m excited.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
I like the trade a lot.
I welcome Landry with open arms. Hopefully he’ll school JT on not panicking, ball faking and some sick post moves. The Kings will only benefit from this. Looking forward to seeing the Kings playing .500 ball for the rest of the season.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Just make sure you have enough road to get up to 88 mph.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
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