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Where do I start? Sorting out the impact of an unforeseen trade…

Kevin MartinHere’s hoping that Martin stays healthy enough to realize his potential. Because at the end of the day, that’s all that it comes down to. There are those that harp on Martin’s defensive liabilities – gee, I can’t wait for the Kings to get back to playing defense now that Martin is gone (note sarcasm). There are those that knock his leadership or "big shot" abilities – watch how much better Martin gets on a team with other selfless veteran players. Kevin Martin was/is a class act, and the Rockets gained a potent scorer, a good teammate, and a great community guy. Best of luck and good health, Kevin. I’ll root for you 78-79 times throughout the NBA season.

Star-divide

Sergio Rodriguez & Hilton ArmstrongWelcome to the footnotes page of Kings history.

Carl LandryNot the big man that was on my radar, but a nice addition. I don’t see Landry as a great on-ball defender, but he is (currently) better than Jason Thompson, as I have actually seen Landry employ footwork while attempting to guard an opponent. His contract for next year ($3 million) is a very, very good value. Landry strikes me as a slightly taller Corliss Williamson on the floor. He definitely brings a wanted and needed skill set to the Kings front line.

Spencer Hawes & Jason Thompson – Landry’s low post ability should translate into Hawes operating more out of the high post when they are on the floor together. Hawes is certainly a solid facilitator from the high post, which benefits all of the other Kings that are on the floor with him. For Thompson, well, that’s up to Thompson. If Landry becomes the eventual starter, Thompson can be an energy guy off the bench that need not worry about foul trouble. Landry and JT could play together as well, and Landry’s low post game could allow Thompson to focus more on rebounding and put-backs. Time will tell.

Donté Greene – This has to result into a little less time at the 4 for Donté, doesn’t it? But perhaps the exodus of Martin translates into more minutes for Greene at the 2 or 3. My concern here is what moving Greene around does to him defensively in respect to knowing his various defensive assignments, switches, etc. Offensively, it should have little impact on him.

Jon BrockmanBrockman may see his minutes shrink a little, too. However, he will always get his opportunities when the Kings need extra emphasis on boarding and banging.

Sean May and Kenny ThomasBarring injuries, we should see little of these guys for the remainder of the season.

Larry HughesHughes has played in only 4 of the last 21 games for the Knicks. Honestly, the hope here would be that the Kings engineer a buyout of his expiring contract (pro-rated, the Kings would currently owe Hughes less than $5 million). There is just no upside to Larry Hughes suiting up as a Sacramento King.

Beno Udrih and Francisco GarciaPotentially the two biggest winners in this deal, as they will soak up many of Martin’s vacated minutes. This is also potentially good news for the Kings, as it will enable both players to produce closer to their contract value.

Ime UdokaHis current role probably does not change much, due to Garcia’s return. Ime will be a designated defensive stopper from time to time for the rest of this season, but that’s about it.

Joey DorseyI will be surprised if we see much of Dorsey, as his skill set replicates Brockman to an extent. He might be happier playing out the string in D-League. It should be noted that Dorsey’s deal is not guaranteed for next year (at roughly $900k), while Brockman’s 2nd year is listed on Shamsports as a $900k qualifying offer (could that be right?). One of these guys might be a King next year, but I can’t see both of them here.

Omri CasspiBenefits from the standpoint that his current minutes are less likely to be vultured by Garcia.

Andres NocioniUnchanged. Noc remains a guy that everyone would love if he were making a few million less over two fewer years.

Dominic McGuire(?) – Not part of our future, in my opinion. But what do I know – my avatar is Joe freakin’ Kleine.

Tyreke EvansEvans’ scoring has been down since Martin returned, but his assists and rebounds have been up. For all of the national hullabaloo over the Evans/Martin backcourt, Evans’ game will not be greatly impacted by this move in the long run.

The Kings – Landry for Martin is a bad deal when you look at the talent gained and lost, and it will be a bad deal until this summer, when the Kings can get frisky with their newly found cap room.  At $34 million, the Kings stand to be about $18-$20 million under the cap, with 10 players under contract. Throw in $3-$4 million for the 1st and 2nd round picks, and you’re left with a couple of roster slots and about $14-$17 million. And while I agree that this money won’t lure a top flight free agent, it is more than enough money to wrangle a sign and trade with another team, or to relieve another team’s luxury tax or payroll issue. For example, Philadelphia may need to shed salary. How about an expiring Samuel Dalembert for a 2nd round pick? My point here is that this is a lot like the Artest deal – we couldn’t begin to calculate how we did on the deal based solely on the acquisition of Donté Greene (and Bobby Jackson) – we had to wait until the pick that became Omri Casspi was added to the matrix.

And 1 – While I do believe that Martin for Landry is a bad deal, it should also be noted that both players probably have roughly the same value in excess of their contracts. That is, a healthy Kevin Martin is worth a few million more than what he is making (in NBA money, anyway), and a productive big man like Landry is worth at least the MLE, which is a few million more than what he is making. From a pure asset standpoint, one could argue that this deal is almost a push right now. I won’t make that argument, but someone else could.

The Rockets & The Knicks – Both of these teams addressed their needs here. The Rockets get an insanely efficient scorer and a young prospect (Jordan Hill).  Jared Jefferies’ contract does not hurt them that badly, as they weren’t really going to be free agent players anyway.  All of this for Carl Landry – not bad. The Knicks gain about another $9 million in cap space, and it cost them Hill and a future draft pick (and the potential swap of another pick). Good deal for the Knicks.

Tracy McGradyWho cares? Really, it’s his contract that was in play here, not McGrady himself.

Kings Fans – The rebuild continues. At 18-36, it is no big deal that this trade may cost us a couple of wins this year. The key will be the off-season, and how we are able to parlay the cap room into talent. With the potential of adding a top college prospect and a viable NBA veteran to this current squad, the opportunity exists to get the Kings closer to the .500 mark next year. Still not a playoff team, but certainly a team that is tracking along like Portland of a couple of years ago, or Oklahoma City of post-all star break last year.

Closing thought – Anyone still want to call Geoff Petrie conservative?

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by iashwash on Feb 18, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Kind of reasonable, but not right

Talent for talent the Kings got the best of this deal…and it’s not that close. I feel that many of the people that frequent this sight are way too caught up in the “Money Ball” trend in analyzing stats to evaluate players. In statistical scoring analyisis Kevin looks great, but that’s it. His numbers don’t tell his whole story. Funny that Houston’s GM is the biggest number cruncher in the league.

Here are some numbers for all of you to chew on. In Landry, the Kings got a 27 minute a game guy averaging 16 and 6. Increase his minutes by 8 a game (starters minutes) and he is probably a 19 and 8 guy with a skill set much more rare than Kevin’s.

I get that as fans we have favorites and it’s ok to be upset to see players go, but some of you are acting like your family pet just got run over. In a month anybody who doesn’t think this is a great trade just won’t be paying attention. The Kings will have a legit low post threat to build with Tyreke, Omri, Donte and the rest, and Kevin will still look like a really good player on all of the graphs and charts…but graphs and charts don’t hit big shots or get defensive stops.

by Mark Olberding on Feb 18, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

Using the “Money Ball” analysis, you could easily argue that Carl Landry is a better player than Kevin Martin. If anything, most of us are judging this decision with our hearts right now, not really our heads.

The stats also show that Landry’s a poor rebounder, and the eyes show that he’s not a very good defender. So while I think the deal overall benefits the Kings, I wouldn’t say it’s “not that close”.

Time will tell.

"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

An Oracle?
In a month anybody who doesn’t think this is a great trade just won’t be paying attention

who already knows the future.

I hope you’re right, but I don’t see that he adds much D or rebounding. I do welcome the scoring around the basket.

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- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Or -

You could use the completely unbiased approach and ask 30 GM’s whether Martin or Landry is the better player. My guess is that Martin wins out on that poll, with margin. Now, if you ask those 30 GM’s to also factor in contract, that margin would likely shrink considerably.

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by section214 on Feb 18, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Does Minnesota's GM get a vote?

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree to disagree

If you asked 30 GM’s around the league who they would rather have (and lets just say the contracts are equal) …I would say 60-65% would take Landry. Back to the basket players as skilled as Landry are much more rare compared to 6’-6" to 6’-7" wing players that score 20 a game. That’s not a knock on Martin, it’s just that certain skill sets are harder to find. It’s why every year teams gamble in the draft on big guys that are raw and hope they can develop in to solid post player.

by Mark Olberding on Feb 18, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree to disagree?

I don’t agree to that.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Feb 19, 2010 12:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with your not agreeing, while agreeing with the original post, myself

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by HighTops on Feb 19, 2010 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Well said

It blows my mind to hear people talk about Kmart as “superstar” and “top 2 guard in the West” …. the reality is that he hit 2 memorable game winners in the last 5 years, can’t defend a chair, and will NEVER be an All Star calibre player – so why R U paying this guy $36MM over next 3 years? Landry for Kmart straight up is fairly equal in terms of talent, but Landry earns $3MM.

GP is the Master: dumping Miller & Salmons ($18MM per combined) for Noc ($8MM) was pretty good. Artest for Bjax (expiring), Donte’ and Casspi was genius. And this is probably better. Now that’s how to Rebuild, yee-haw. 18 months after dumping Artest, do you think the Kings are better or worse? At half the salary?

by Watty4ever on Feb 18, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm

The Kings entered the season as the second or third youngest team in the league, depending on whether you are looking at average age, or average experience.

The interesting part is that the teams right around the Kings in those categories are Memphis, Oklahoma City, Houston and Portland. All of whom are way further along in their rebuilding than our Kings.

We are a young team, but that doesn’t mean we are necessarily on the right path.

So before we start calling Petrie “The Master”, I think we need to apply that properly – he’s a great drafter, but he’s had mixed success on coaches, trades, and free agent signings (most notably mid-level exceptions). He’s not bulletproof.

Oh, and don’t forget that he has never built a really successful franchise for anyone but Rick Adelman. Will that change with Paul Westphal?

The jury is still out, IMO.

"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Coaches?

You think dumping Adelman was GP’s idea? That was a Maloof move right there…

by OrangeLazarus on Feb 18, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Who cares?

He’s the GM…it’s his job to convince the ownership group not to make stupid decisions.

"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

They're worse
18 months after dumping Artest, do you think the Kings are better or worse? At half the salary?

They are much worse, but probably not worse off for the future. They have certainly gotten a lot cheaper.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

How are they worse?

Artest, Miller, Salmons, Bibby and Kmart were horrible … looks okay on paper, not very good on hardwood. A .500 team at avg. salary of $10MM/yr. Today, would you try building a team around any of those 5?

Today the Kings feature Tyreke, Casspi, Landry, JT, Hawes, Greene and Cisco. We all know that Evans is A+, Casspi (as Rook) is much further along than Peja, Turkoglu, G Wallace and Kmart (all GP specials), Landry is a stud, and JT, Hawes & Greene have huge “upside”.

by Watty4ever on Feb 18, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Just talking pure wins and losses

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 19, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Although I agree

that Landry probably makes us a better team than the 25-30 win team we were before the trade. I think Beno and Garcia can adequately replace Kevin, and Landry is a big upgrade in terms of getting us buckets down low, which should open things up for our shooters. Plus I think moving Kmart should relieve some tension and give the boys a fresh Day One start.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 19, 2010 12:24 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not that sure

that this trade will lower our total wins this season.It could easily end up increasing that number

"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan

Go Kings!

by Panzerfaust on Feb 18, 2010 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

I agree with this...

Beno and Tryeke from the beginning seemed to be more fluid than KMart and Tyreke. And that playing a lot of that combination will work better, at least for the remainder of the season.

And I think we will now see how much of a huge difference it will make to have someone that you can throw it to inside to consistently make shots.

by henryclemente on Feb 18, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Beno and Tyreke is not a Real Backcourt.

That is why every player on the team has started at the 2guard this season. So we will still be playing musical chairs in the backcourt. But getting a more efficient offensive threat on the block can only help our backcourt in general. So I agree with most that we are kind of at a PUSH. But for less money. We will see what roster shows up to camp next season. I personally won’t be happy untill we have a legit starting shooting guard who is the clear starting shooting guard. Beno, Francisco, Donte, Casspi, Udoka and on and on is going to bother me, which is why I’ve always been reluctant to trade Martin. But Landry is so flippin’ cheap, that I’m not crying.

by BlueBaller on Feb 18, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Well reasoned Section

Where you been? Haven’t seen you around these here parts lately.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2010 2:37 PM PST reply actions  

I've been busy working on a big trade...

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by section214 on Feb 18, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

(He doesn't like agreeing with me in public)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Kleine?
Dominic McGuire(?) – Not part of our future, in my opinion. But what do I know – my avatar is Joe freakin’ Kleine.

So it’s not Carter Burke after all?!?
sheesh…

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Feb 18, 2010 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

Dominc McGuire

Did we actually acquire him?

by EvoStrife on Feb 18, 2010 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

The last thing I saw

was on Washington’s SBN blog, which stated that we got McGuire and cash for our 2nd round pick next year.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 18, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Not buying this
Landry for Martin is a bad deal when you look at the talent gained and lost.

I’ll give you a maybe on this, although Landry has had fewer seasons and less minutes to prove his point. So it becomes like your Casspi analogy. We won’t know what we have until we get to put it to use.

The real key to this deal is that we gain a solid low post scorer without losing a lot of scoring at the 2 spot while improving our overall defense. As you point out, we also take away the minutes Martin would potentially be sucking away from our youth. And most importantly, the distraction of “who is the man?” is over and done with.

We also cleared a couple of pieces that aren’t part of the future in Sergio and Armstrong. Beno and Garcia have to play to earn their keep due to their untradable contracts. Sergio could do very well under D’Antoni. And until we spend the saved Kmart money on another asset, the books aren’t closed on this deal, either.

More flexibility, better roster balance, no more whining and hopefully more winning as a result. I like it.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 3:28 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Um -

You added a period to my sentence, which actually read, “Landry for Martin is a bad deal when you look at the talent gained and lost, and it will be a bad deal until this summer, when the Kings can get frisky with their newly found cap room.”

I’ll stand by that.

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by section214 on Feb 18, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

SCCROP

(S)tandard (CCR) (O)perating (P)rocedure

"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Otie, when are you going to tell us your conspiracy yarn

about how Petrie and Napear conspired to drive Kmart out of town? I’m very interested in what should be a truly half-assed answer.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not buying it either

1. We will win more games this season with our new roster not less. Did you really feel like KMart has added wins to the team since his return?

2. KMart scoring efficiency, even ignoring the downturn, is very comparable to Landry’s.

3. In 4th quarter moments do you want a down low tough-guy scorer, or a smooth jump shooting get-to-the-line guy. This point is very important and definitely puts a big tick on the positive column for Landry.

I feel like you may not yet be a Landry believer.

by normo on Feb 18, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Not buying what?

The statement that this deal “may cost us a couple of wins?” OK, then again, I suppose it may not.

I like Landry, and as (I thought) I stated, I may wind up liking this deal after we (hopefully) spend our new cap space money. But Martin for Landry? I’ll take Martin.

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by section214 on Feb 18, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

"I’ll take Martin."

I’ll take winning, and a fresh start. We have plenty of gunners. It will be nice to have an inside post presence for a change.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I will take winning as well

Getting rid of Martin will not turn this team into a winner. The addition of Landry will not turn this team into a winner. These moves, coupled with what we may be able to secure this summer with the added cap room may turn us into a winner.

Am I typing too fast for you?

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by section214 on Feb 18, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

"These moves ... may turn us into a winner."

Don’t go out on a limb there.

But Martin for Landry? I’ll take Martin.

I’ll take Landry, and apparently so will Geoff Petrie.

Martin had his shot. It was time to move on.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Petrie took Landry and the cap space

Which should translate into another piece, which will in turn make this a better deal.

I’m going to stop responding to you now. You’ve gone back to being an argumentative little pill, you’re unpleasant, and life is too short.

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by section214 on Feb 18, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I've got a binge and purge relationship with CCR

He’s a good occasional confidence booster for debating more coherent folk.

"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It must be hard

Keeping track when you switch back and forth between screen names.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Pleasant response

Even if I take that whole fragment …

Landry for Martin is a bad deal when you look at the talent gained and lost, and it will be a bad deal until this summer, when the Kings can get frisky with their newly found cap room.

I think this a good deal right now and makes the Kings better, right now, for the reasons outlined above. And naturally it makes the team more flexible in the future.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Cisco

I posted some time ago that I thought Cisco made Kevin expendable in a trade. Not sure I am convinced that Landry for Kevin was the answer, but I still think a back court of Tyreke and Cisco can flourish. Clearly the defense and ball handling will be better… I would argue much better. While Kevin was clearly a very good shooter, I wouldn’t classify him as a “spot up” or set shooter. Kevin excels when moving with the ball, even off screens. I think Cisco is a traditional set shooter who excels when he finds space on the floor and can square up and shoot. I think that fits Tyreke’s game to a tee. So in evaluating this trade, I think the potential of getting Cisco on the floor in the back court must go into the mix. In additon, getting Cisco minutes at the 2 instead of the 3 frees up minutes for Donte and Omri, also a benefit.

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Feb 18, 2010 3:31 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I hate the trade

But I love Cisco playing 30 minutes a game at the 2. I think he will flourish as he did the last thirty games of last year after we got rid of Salmons.

by MichaelMack on Feb 18, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure you got this right at all.

This is all about Tyreke—everything that the Kings will do for the next 5-7 years will be about Tyreke just as everything Cleveland does it about keeping Lebron, their superstar, happy. As Thorpe said, Reke will play more of a scoring point role and not learn bad defensive habits of stopping initial penetration from Martin. I think Dorsey was brought in just because he played with Reke at Memphis because he seems a taller but less offensively skilled Brockness. I think this really opens up PT for Donte, Omri & Cisco at the 2 and 3 which I think is great for the Kings.

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by bringbackbuddytrees on Feb 18, 2010 3:34 PM PST reply actions  

lol

Tyreke doesn’t need to learn any bad defensive habits from Martin, he’s got plenty of them all on his own.

He’ll be a good defender when he stops taking half the possessions any given game off on that end.

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 18, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I notice that too

I am sure it is just an experience issue.

by MichaelMack on Feb 18, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with that at all

But as Tyreke had already been anointed the Alpha Male, I do not feel that Martin’s leaving changes Evans’ role. He became “the man” while Martin was hurt and retained that standing upon Matin’s return.

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by section214 on Feb 18, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

A couple points

I think you’re not giving Landry enough credit, he’s an $8-$10mil guy in terms of production, not a $6mil or so guy as you characterized him. I honestly don’t think the talent difference is that big, but the dropoff in “specialness” is huge. Kevin is capable of being ridiculous at least occasionally, and we’re seriously lacking in professional firepower now.

As David Thorpe said, I think Kevin had to go if the Kings weren’t going to run what he excels at. The offensive future is spread the floor pick and roll or run a set to get the ball to Landry and see if a double team comes. We’re not going to run the motion stuff Kevin excels at, Adelman will, and this trade will be good for Kevin.

As much as I’ll miss Kevin, this is a great trade for him, and I’m going to enjoy watching him be properly used again.

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 18, 2010 3:39 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

because I completely agree.

by MichaelMack on Feb 18, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Regardless...I got two teams to root fot now..

Im Rooting for my Beloved Kings
And the HOUSTON KMARTS

by 2KMART3 on Feb 18, 2010 3:46 PM PST reply actions  

That's cool.

I have two teams I root for. The Kings are my main team, but I also have the Celtics for my playoff team, when the Kings do not make the playoffs. It makes the playoffs so much easier to bear.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 18, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That all sounds right to me section

Good job of not Homering for the team

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2010 4:04 PM PST reply actions  

lets think about it

we played fine without kevin, it allowed our young backcourt to develop, and once again, we played good. sure martin is a pure shooter that fits excellently with reke, but the pure shooter label can be pinned on a number of kings on the roster. omri? cisco?
those 30+ minutes kevin ate up will be used just as effectively in my opinion

by Harrisonyaka on Feb 18, 2010 4:37 PM PST reply actions  

Did we play fine?

At the start of his time off…at home…against weaker opponents. How was the team doing in the ten games or so prior to Kevin’s return?

Omri and Cisco are far from pure shooters. Kevin is undeniably one of the best scoring two guards in the game.

I’m for this trade as it stands, but let’s be real about the facts. While Omri and Cisco will pick up some of the slack, it will be incumbent on Landry to handle the lion’s share of Kevin’s missing offensive efficiency.

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by otis29 on Feb 18, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Your assessment of Carl Landry isn't quite a favorable as what others have written.

I suppose we will just have to wait and see how he turns out on the team. He sounds like he has some promise, but nothing to get overly excited about at this point. Darn!

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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 18, 2010 4:46 PM PST reply actions  

Houston Fan..

You all are going to love Landry and what he brings to the table. He’s also just a fun guy to watch, always smiling and having a good time while doing his thing.
The thing that we were a little concerned about is how we would afford him the summer after next. If he continues to play well and to improve at the same rate, that 3M/yr contract may become 7-10M/yr. Of course the new CBA may make that concern moot, but at least it should be thrown out there. So, the risk is he may become to expensive to afford and you lose him in free agency.

by PhilippeinBoston on Feb 18, 2010 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

I'm sure we'll like him

Can you build a frontline around him?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

According to Westphal

PG – Tyreke
SG – Cisco
SF – Casspi
F – Landry
C – Thompson

by blako on Feb 18, 2010 5:47 PM PST reply actions  

I just wonder how long it will take to get Garcia into play shape for 30 minutes a night at his old stats, or if he veen gets back to those stats. I see a lot of playing time in Beno’s future

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Feb 19, 2010 1:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Aykis has been convincing everyone

that Landry is headed to the Hall of Fame or All Star game. I hope the 2nd one is in his future. We definately need a realiable low post guy who we can throw it into when jumpers stop falling.
We’ll see if he’s a guy we can truly build a contending team on over the next 30 games.

I don’t really object to the idea of a trade, even for Kevin, I’m just not convinced we got a big enough return.

I’m also finding it strange we were unable to get anything out of KTEC, even though I’ve been predicting that (0) for a couple of years. Seems like some other teams were able to turn their ECs into something.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the KTEC staying put is largely due to a difficulty finding a worthwhile $8m/year player that the other team wants to get rid of.

by sactown on Feb 18, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Aykis has been convincing everyone

That’s exaggerating quite a bit. Landry is as good of a low post scorer as you were going to get for Kevin Martin. I would rather have him than anyone else that has been mentioned in rumors for Kevin Martin.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Meant to blockquote this as well
that Landry is headed to the Hall of Fame or All Star game

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by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

true that

who’s the best player player people think the Kings could extract for Kmart? Playing at Landry’s level? Earning $3MM per year? Dude shoots 55% (3 yrs running) and 84% FT, and knows how to bang. Were you expecting Tim Duncan? Josh Smith? Carlos Boozer? [What do those guys get paid?] Can’t think of another 4 who’s doing what Landry does at that price.

by Watty4ever on Feb 18, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Considering the Garage sale that went on in Washington, I think we could have done something

I would have loved to see Haywood here.

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by HighTops on Feb 18, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Great post but...

I think Landry is going to be a FLAT OUT STUD. He brings brockman like intensity but he is also incredibly efficient offensively. K-mart was great for us when he was healthy…but for the last 3 years he hasn’t been.

Be of good cheer my friends.

Landry+ Top 10 draft pick + a good deal of cap space = bright future.

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by ThePrince on Feb 18, 2010 6:17 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I agree completelyl with your 2nd and 3rd paragraph

I hope to soon agree with your 1st paragraph as well.

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by section214 on Feb 18, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Bang on - that's it

Plus I’d rather have Landry than Kmart

by Watty4ever on Feb 18, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm grumpy

and plan to stay that way for a while.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you'll be more pleased after Saturday and Sunday

when you get to see Landry play.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Did I mention that I watched him all through college?

I do like the guy, I just am not sure you build a contender on him. I want defense. I think at least one of your interior guys needs to be a superior defender/rebounder. I do like that scores easy baskets which is the other component of a contending teams front line.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather have a big than Martin, too...I think Landry will do fine.

Plus, now I truly support the ‘best player available’ strategy with the top 10 draft pick. No need to be crushed if we don’t get Cousins, Favors, etc. A great shooter will be just as welcome.

by busybe on Feb 18, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Overall I am ok with this

The Blazer fans are feeling the same way,yeah its the best for the team but folks hate to see players that they love go down a road

by southern oregon on Feb 18, 2010 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

Outlaw?

It can’t be Blake, after his choke jobs.

by sactown on Feb 18, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

This makes me laugh

I woke up and only the Martin-Landry/Dorsal Fin deal was completed. Now we have Dominic McGuire. Oh my, my heart is all aflutter with possiblities.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 8:56 PM PST reply actions  

let the team evolve

If JT doesn’t start at the 5, let him be the first big off the bench … let him hit the boards and block shots. If he’s only playing 25min/game, he can burn his 6 fouls and play tough D. Let Hawes be the new Vlade/Miller (set up high, shoot 3’s, pass the ball). Landry scores down low.

That’s a solid 3-man rotation and the draft might bring another big … or the 2 that will replace Kmart. Or John Wall – LOL.

by Watty4ever on Feb 18, 2010 10:16 PM PST reply actions  

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