What It Is To Be A Fan
I am a Sacramento Kings fan. Just as I was yesterday, and just as I will be tomorrow.
What is it to be a fan? Are we fans of the names on the front of the jersey? Or the names on the back? Often we're fans of both. Just as I am a fan of the Kings, I am also a fan of Kevin Martin. I've defended Martin with more words than I care to think about right now. I defended his defense, or lack thereof. I argued incessantly that he could co-exist with Tyreke Evans (It's worth mentioning that I am still very much a fan of Evans).
Some days, like today, it is hard to be a fan of both the organization and Martin. It is difficult to be a fan of two entities moving away from each other.
All of this begs the question, what does it really mean to be a fan?
I can't recall if I've ever discussed my history as a Kings fan before. In case I have, I'll attempt to keep it brief. I grew up in Sacramento, attended the occasional Kings game, and got excited in years when they could potentially be in the playoffs, but that was about it. I remember being very excited when Richmond was named to the '96 Olympic Team. But it wouldn't be fair to say I was a huge fan. I was a kid, and was still more infatuated with Legos and X-Men action figures. I moved to Colorado for the start of high school, and found that not having the Kings around, I suddenly missed them. I became a much more devoted fan. The Kings were a link to my hometown, and I've been a serious fan ever since.
That bond with the team will always remain (for the purpose of this article, I am not going to acknowledge any possibility of a franchise relocation). For that, I will always consider myself a Kings fan. Regardless of which players come and go, I have that link to the team. I'm sure many of you share similar bonds with the team for various reasons. That's what it is to be a fan of the team.
I'm sure we all know some idiot who says he's a Yankees fan because he grew up in New York, but he mysteriously only talks about the Yankees when they win. Technically, he would be a fan of the Yankees, and he could relate to my link to the Kings. But honestly, if you're a regular on StR during an 18-win season, you barely share similarities at the genetic level with our hypothetical idiot. You're a true fan.
A true fan is devoted to his team through thick and thin. Along the way, you gain attachments to certain players. There are the players you love, the players you hate, and the players that you don't care much about. When you have players you love, and they stay on your team long enough, you become a fan of the player in addition to being a fan of the team. No matter what happens, you like the team and you like the player, even if they go their separate ways. Hell, Richmond went to the freakin' [redacted]s to get a ring, but I'm sure there are a whole lot of Richmond fans reading this today.
To be a fan of a franchise is to be a fan of an ever-evolving idea. From each ending a new beginning emerges. From the end of the Richmond era we saw the beginning of the Webber era. With the departure of Jason Williams we gained Bibby. From the departure of Peja we got Artest, who in turn gave us Donté and Casspi. It is hard, especially if you have an intense passion for certain players, but through it all we remain fans of the Kings.
I was devastated by the trade today. I am a huge fan of Kevin Martin, and that will not change. But I'm also a huge fan of the team. I've always been a staunch supporter of Geoff Petrie. I've chanted "In Geoff We Trust", and now I must stand behind those words. I've spent the whole day trying to come to grips with the trade, trying to see the silver lining. Right now I have my doubts, and I'm still not convinced. But I maintain my faith in Geoff Petrie. I've been wrong so many times before (need I remind anyone of my love for Rubio and my hatred for any pick that was Rubio?) that I must maintain my faith.
Through all of this, I find myself feeling grateful. I'm grateful for the time Martin was on the Kings. Martin was our secret, and now he will be shared with the world. It's like when you love a band and suddenly they become a huge hit. You knew about them first, and while you'll always miss those times when you were one of the select few who knew about them, you're happy to see them succeed. I want nothing but success for Kevin.
I'm also grateful that I feel this faith in the organization. Being a fan doesn't necessarily mean that you trust the organization, it's simply a luxury we can enjoy. I'm glad I'm not a Clippers fan, eternally being let down by Dunleavy and Sterling.
I'm excited to see what Geoff Petrie can do with another high draft pick and enough cap room to try to lure a big name free agent. I worry about who Petrie might sign this summer, but for now, in Geoff I trust.
Go Kings.
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Totally agree
As an A’s fan, I’ve learned not to get too attached to players, since they come and go.
The moral of the story? The best thing you can do is root for the Landry.
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Yep
I’m excited to see Landry in a King’s uni. I’m still sad to see K-Mart go though.
"I'm too weird ta live but much too rare ta die"
by aKingisBored on Feb 18, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
No point in even getting an any A’s jersey unless the retired. I stick with my blank jersey.
Disagree

When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
How horribly true that is. Rec'd
Also, your sig, I couldn’t remember what it was from until I watched that movie the other day. Very funny.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
Nice post ExG
It sounds like Landry is a really good guy in addition to being a good player…and that might make it a bit easier. This isn’t the same as losing a Peja and gaining an Artest.
I’ll miss Kevin too, and I’ll root for him to kick ass on the court, even when he’s facing us. As long as we still come out with the W, ya know.
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2010 8:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You have to make trades that help your team...
…and that includes players you think the world of.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I don't get attached to the players like I used to
But that may have something to do with the fact that the players we have now really haven’t brought the organization any success.
My favorite player as a kid was Mitch Richmond and I was really upset the day he was traded. Ironically, he was traded for the guy that ended up being my favorite player of all time. When Webber was traded I knew he had to go but it was still really hard. Since then I can’t say I’ve cared too much. I liked Brad and Mike because they were the last links to the glory years but I was definately ready to see them go when they did.
I guess I’m a fan of the organization right now rather than the players. I assume that will change when the team starts winning. For now, I’m all for trading pieces and trying to find the right fit. I liked Kevin Martin but I don’t have any memories of us being a good team with him here (and by good I don’t mean the 2004-2005 season).
Kevin scored well for the Kings while he was here. Unfortunately, he didn’t do anything else really well and is not the type of player that can put a team on his back and lead them to a victory. He was a good scorer on bad teams and I was ready to see him go.
That being said, I really appreciate his work ethic and the effort he put in while he was here to make himself the best player he could be and wish him luck in Houston.
by blako on Feb 18, 2010 8:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
same feeling here!
i have lived in the east SF bay area since 2003. the kings wasn’t the first NBA team i ever watched. the Lakers were broadcast a ton where i grow up in Taiwan, but i have always have deep love for the kings, even through that devastating 17 wins season-i still thought of the pre-webber time and how awful we were. there is always brighter tomorrow! i was happy when Petrie was signed an extension earlier this season. let’s go Kings!!!
Im Feeling so Bad Man...KMART I WILL MISS YOU MAN!!!
Rec’d bro…
This is so true…Man kevin was our little secret…We as fans loved him first and now all these bandwagons are gunna hop on the kmart train when they dissing before as a king. I dont know about you guys but ill always be Kevin Martin Fan…Heck he is my Favorite Player of all time….IM DEAD SERIOUS! Man i shed a tear this morning when i heard the news. I know its not manly and all but i did and i admit it. I guess it had to happen sooner or later. I just didnt want to believe it. I hope Kevin Succeeds in whatever organization he’s in. Kmart trust me you’ll be missed. By all of us. And as for this trade. Ive trying for the whole day to convince myself that this is good for the franchise, but the more and more i think about it, the less appealing it appears. It is basically like most of the trades we have done in the past. Remember that Mike Bibby trade? Yeah me neither. With this trade we halfway solved our problem of an inside presence but now how are we going to solve the SG problem. Please dont say Garcia because we need someone who can compliment Tyreke.(Knew this was going to happen if we traded Kmart) So how are we going to solve this problem? IDK but if Exhibit is right we could land a big name free agent. Dont get too happy having those wet dreams of Chris Bosh or Dwayne Wade in a kings jersey because they most likely are going to go where they can get a ring. But who knows…We might land the Raptor. SaY we do. How do we solve the SG problem. Do we do the off guard thing that involves Beno as the guy who brings the ball up the court and Tyreke as the guy who sets up the plays? IDK but hopefully all these questions will be answered and in a way that will most likely help us. The way i see it we are now are trying to fill a gap at the frontcourt and a HUGE gap at the backcourt. We most likely wont have a great scoring caliber SG like Kmart but we could get an okay point guard to compliment Tyreke. IDK this whole mess is confusing. All i know is that i am basically rooting for two people now. My beloved Sacramento Kings and the skinny kid from Zanesville, Ohio, KEVIN MARTIN.
Maybe the new incantion of 2KMART3 will break stuff into paragraphs
And post fewer wrestling pictures.
But still, I like the emotion.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
by JediLeroy on Feb 18, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, you totally could have jumped on my misspelling of incantation
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
It’s like when you love a band and suddenly they become a huge hit. You knew about them first, and while you’ll always miss those times when you were one of the select few who knew about them, you’re happy to see them succeed. I want nothing but success for Kevin.
As usual you hit all the right chords G.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2010 9:02 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
And once they make it big, and everybody says that they always liked them
…you want to call them out for the liars they are
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
I like liars. Gives me an opportunity to mock them for the bullshit artists they are.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I have a good friend who is a Vikings fan
Born and raised in Minnesota, lives out here now. When Brett Favre signed with the Vikes after so many years playing for the hated Packers, I asked him if he was conflicted at having to wish the best for someone who had stuck so many daggers in his guts for 15 years.
“I root for laundry, not for players.”
And I get that, but it’s tough not to form an attachment to some of these guys. Hell, I still root for Adelman because I think he got a raw deal on his way out of here, and him having KM with him just makes me a stronger fan of the Rockets.
But the Kings will always be #1, as long as they’re in Sacramento.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Feb 18, 2010 9:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
My sentiments exactly Andy
thank you for wording it so well.
by MichaelMack on Feb 19, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
Right
"I root for laundry, not for players."
Sigh. I’ll do it again.
This trade sure makes it easy to root for the Landry.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
Great post!
It is important to remember that it is the name on the front that is the important part of being a fan. I really liked Martin and will continue to do so but there is still a season left to cheer for. I remember how much I liked Peja and it sucked when he was traded but that is just sports and it made this one a little easier.
What the Kings have in Evans is going to be special for the team and it is time to build around what can help him.
I think the toughest part is finding the silver lining
Trading K-Mart was bad enough, but trading one of our best players for a bench player-no matter how good—especially an undersized power forward who is not an exceptional rebounder smacks so much of salary dumps, it’s just hard to care about the rest of the season. I’m sorry, but I can’t get excited about this nameless mist we call cap space. I can’t root for cap space and no matter what the media might say, I won’t be able to watch Landry without thinking about Martin’s pure shooting and his great smile. Does that make me a bad Kings fan? Maybe. But I don’t think I can muster much stomach for rooting for Landry the rest of the season.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Feb 18, 2010 9:13 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I know how you feel
I keep thinking how sucky it is that Martin’s gone. I want—so badly—to like this trade. I just can’t.
Yet.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
Exactly. I hope I will over time.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
It is hard with so little season left
I want to like this one as well but I think it will be like the ron-ron trade where it takes time to see what it gets you. If the Kings strike out with decent free agents this summer it will be tough to take.
This is just like that Richmond trade
…didn’t we trade him for some bum in DC that had a shoulder dislocation issue and was on his way out of the league!
I feel the same way
There was something so special this kid with the great work ethic. I admire Tyreke’s abilities, but do not instantly “like” him the way I liked Kevin the first time I saw him streak down the floor.
I have to remind myself that no matter what gargage you hear on the radio this trade was more about making the front court better and getting cap space than it was about finding a way to move Kevin. The whole “it just wasn’t working” is bs. Now I have to find a way to watch the Rockets games. They were my next favorite team anyway :)
Just realize that with this cap space the franchise wants to get some one really good.
We get a really good bench player now, and someone really great later. Its onward toward the future.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
or spend less money
When was the last time we signed a big money, “really good” free agent? Vlade? I am not counting on it.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Feb 19, 2010 7:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
We haven't had any money to spend
as they waited too long to break up the remains of the 2002-2003 team and our assets obviously turned into liabilities.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 19, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Rec... you said what i was having trouble putting into words...
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
I have a feeling
once Landry comes in and beats someone ass …. we’ll feel a little better about the trade.
OK, looking forward
Time for Jerryisms!
Landry – “The youngster from Pudue just Purdid!”
Dorsey – “Joey mama!”
Mcguire – “Dominic with the Big Mac attack!”
Larry Hughes – “Has anyone seen Larry Hughes? Anyone?”
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Oh geez...
Landry – “Landry just made him to his laundry!”
Dorsey – “Dorsey the horsey with the putback!”
McGuire – “That play was a home run for Mr. McGuire!”
Hughes – “A little ‘Hughes your mama’ from Larry Hughes”
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 18, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
guaranteed he uses that purdue one
guaran-effin-teed
by VenomySnicket on Feb 18, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
"That block was a doozy from Dorsey"
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 19, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Getting attached to players feels so right.
I can’t imagine not getting attached to players when you are a fan of a team. Perhaps, after you have been hurt a few times, when your favorite player leaves, you stop the attachment. Bibby was my first attachment, but I was ready to let him go when the time came. I liked Webber, too, but I didn’t feel the same kind of “attachment” that I did with Bibby. Next, came Kevin Martin. At one point, I could never imagine him leaving. It is hard to see him go, but I know that it will be okay, somehow. Now I am attached to Tyreke and finding myself also becoming attached to Donte Greene. Perhaps feeling the attachment to Tyreke, makes it easier to let Kevin go.
It is sort of strange, this thing of becoming “attached” to a player. What in the world is it? Where does it come from? I don’t really know the answer except to say for me it is a combination of admiration, respect, awe and the feeling of great joy when your favorite player(s) are doing especially well. It is hard for me to imagine being a fan without having an attachment to at least one player on the team. But, that is just me.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
by Slam_Dunk on Feb 18, 2010 9:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You've got it real bad.
It’s okay to cry about losing something / someone that you care about. Kevin is going to move on to a situation that will be better for him. Time heals.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
The Rockets are much better than the Kings, and they're ready to win things now.
We aren’t. For a 27 year old, it’s much better to be playing in Houston.
Kmart is in a better place for the time being.
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Feb 19, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
I always knew I cared about the Kings and Kevin Martin
but today I realized how much I truly cared. I’m not feling horrible, but I’m not great either. To me it’s not even about the trade (I think we got OK value, for the record) but more about opening my eyes to what just happened. I think it’s the story about how people turned on the good guy.
I don’t think Kevin was traded because of Grant Napear or because he got booed at home by some idiots, but I’m sure that didn’ help. It’s like Sacramento (the city, not the org) pushed him away because he wasn’t “good enough” to mesh with our “new team” and the “new kidz.”
I keep thinking about Kevin laughing while sitting on the bench last night, knowing he was headed to Houston. He was happy to leave and I couldn’t blame him. After giving his all and not once bitching about being on crappy teams he got close to zero support from the Sac media, fans, and even the team. I wanted him to be upset because he was being traded but can’t blame him when not many gave him a reason to stay. He deserved better.
Again, it’s not so much about the trade because I’m ok with Kevin leaving (to a great situation) but it’s just about how it went down. I’m sure I’ll be ok with what we got back once Landry plays, but that sour taste will stay for a while. Ican’t help to think about who’s next for Peaches and his gang? Spencer? JT? Cisco? Who would we turn on next?
When you care about something, you just get attached, it’s human nature. I keep thinking that it’s dumb to feel like this for just a player on some basketball team, but then I think about all those “fans” who don’t really understand what it means to feel like this, and then I’m proud. Proud that there are others who also care as much as I do. Proud that parents actually talk about how Martin was a great example for their kid. Proud that kids care so much that they went to their room and cried under the bed because some random dude on a basketball team just got shipped out of town. I’m proud because many will not understand this last paragraph and woul internally make fun of me.
In a strange way, Kevin Martin made me a better fan because he taught me to not only care about the city on the front of the jersey or the name on the back of it, but also about the person inide the jersey.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Feb 18, 2010 9:46 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
Great post. Couldn’t agree more about the city turning on the good guy.
That’s the thing that gets me. Somehow Kevin Martin became a bad guy when he has been about as good of a team player as anyone could want. Kind of sad…
by chri5 on Feb 18, 2010 10:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That is an excellent read
The most disappointing thing is to see how small and nasty people were in their comments to a very good guy.
by MichaelMack on Feb 19, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
The irony is Michael
That Kevin Martin was hardly controversial. People who disliked him had to “CREATE” the controversies.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
by pookeyguru on Feb 19, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's my main issue here
I don’t mind that Kevin was traded, but I’m supposed to suddenly believe that after years of hard work, community service and keeping his mouth shut and doing his job – that Kevin became a headcase and a locker room cancer in the space of a few weeks?
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
by otis29 on Feb 19, 2010 5:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep.
The real issue is that you got multiple kids (mainly Omri & JT I think) who have an unclear view on their own talent at the moment. If they ever get their head out of their ass, and it may not matter because Kevin’s departure may convince them the problems no longer exist, it will help the team. If they don’t, the team will continue to struggle. The Kings can’t win without more consistent big play (hello? Carl Landry?) and better play from Omri.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
by pookeyguru on Feb 19, 2010 6:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree Pookey
Omri already seems to believe he is an all-star, and I appreciate his intensity as well as his potential, but his ego is a bit ahead of his game at this point.
And I've written it several times about that very thing. (Yesterday I included JT in that as well. It's equally as much a problem with him.)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I think that is what disappoints me the most Pook
Was the lack of honesty in the discussion, and the willingness to ignore facts in trying to gin up reasons to make their point.
Just curious, you guys will still be fans of the Kings even if they relocate, correct?
I’m pretty sure it’s a unanimous HELL YES. But I’m not from Sacramento, nor have ever lived there, so for me the city is really meaningless – but the quality of fans are not. And as someone born and raised in LA, I can surely say Sacramento fans trump all.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Very doubtful for me
If the Kings relocate, I will feel spurned, and I doubt that I will take the time to work through it.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Feb 18, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with this
Like I said in my post, a big part of me being a fan is that it gives me a connection to where I grew up. Even though I no longer live in Sacramento, I would still feel betrayed if the Kings left town.
I’ve often debated what I would do, and I couldn’t honestly tell you. Hopefully we never find out.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
I've
pondered this time and again. I don’t think I would be. I’ve already experienced enough hurt with the 2002 WCF, and numerous other disappointments.
The Sacramento thing is what keeps me attached. I’ve attached myself to the idea that my fandom, is part of the greater pride of an entire city and region. Why else would I suffer such constant torment? To represent something I’m not and most likely never will be? I’d reckon no. I represent this team because it represents me.
Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.
I'm not going to worry about something like this
Because I have faith the Maloofs and the city are trying their best to stay in Sacramento.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Honestly, I’d probably stop watching basketball. I only pay attention to tbe kings. Then all my attention would be on the A’s. Idk what i’d do in january/february lol
by chri5 on Feb 18, 2010 10:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not a fucking chance.
If they leave the county, they’re dead to me.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
If the Kings get ripped from the city like Sonics, no goddamn way.
I would become a free agent fan, or… gulp… Warriors.
Depends on where they go
If they move to San Jose, I’ll still root for them but anywhere else, I couldn’t root for them. If I lost the Kings to root for, I would stop giving the NBA any money and ignore all it does.
by eaglezuke on Feb 18, 2010 10:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Same here
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 19, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Damn, I'm surprised nearly all you guys who replied would no longer care.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
I honestly doubt that I would remain a Kings fan if they left.
One of the reasons that I am is a fan is because they are in the same community where I live. I just feel that connection. I also like to read about them in the Sacramento Bee and hear about them on Channel 10 News. They are just part of the fabric of this community. If they were to leave, that connection would be gone. Sure, I could follow them on here, but it would not be the same.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Great Post!!!
I get so much BS from so many people for being a die-hard Kings fan. From the Richmond days to the GLORY DAYS to now, I’ve seen the true difference in band wagons and true fans. I’ve been to various countries throughout my military career and I’ve seen it all. People swearing they love the Kings when they were always on primetime and lighting opponents up left and right. From the flashy J-Will highlights to the clutchness of Bibby, those fans were everywhere. People saying great things about the Kings only to be silenced as the Ls rolled along. Nowadays, those people are long gone. This place here is where the true fans are. Players come and go, yet, we still believe that Purple Passion will raid the nation once again. Through the good and bad, I know I can go to StR and find die hard fans. I too, am bummed about Speed Racer leaving. I too, still believe in Petrie. I mean, what else is there left for a die hard fan to do? Only 4 words can roll off of my tongue…IN PETRIE WE TRUST!!! GO KINGS!!!
I bleed PURPLE...YadaddaaaaKING?!?!?!
DieHard SacKings/ BuffaloBills fan...yeah, tell me about it...one does exist!!!
Excellent post!! couldn't agree more!
IN PETRIE WE TRUST!!!! GO KINGS!!!! kings fan forever!!!!!
You know what I really love, I really love the Lacoste Sport Sweat suit man. The one that looks like the orange that's the same color as fruit loop orange! Houses like clovers, houses like clovers whatever that man says! Twinkle, Stars, Diamonds, Emeralds. We got every color bruh! It's fu@#in crazy man. This fool walked up to me the other day, and was like blood, where did you get them at yo? What, you made them? I said, man we don't make nothin man! We don't make nothin man. We just make your girl give h%@d. When she sees these on sight. She never thought they come in size twelves man. I wear size twelves man!
Thanks Exhibit
Awesome post. Of my 28 years on this earth, I have only lived in Sacramento for about 8 of those. My parents and in-laws are still there though. I have always been a Kings fan, even though when I was young it was hard to know what was going on with them, as there was no internet then, and they weren’t on national TV too often. In my high school years, I loved watching our Kings get some recognition and loved being able to watch some games. Then came our playoff series against the Jazz, which didn’t end how we would have liked, but we had the respect of the Jazz, and the league. During our run in 2002 I was living in Guatemala, so I didn’t get to experience it the way I would have liked. I returned to Sacramento just in time to see C Webb blow out his knee against the Mavericks. My wife and I were on our honeymoon the following year when we played the Mavericks and then Minnesota. She is not a fan anymore, in all honesty, she is one of those bandwagon fans that we mention on this site. I still love her though.
The point of this post is that I have always had one thing in common with my father-in-law that none of my brothers-in-law have had… a love for our team from Sacramento. Even during our horrible season last year, we would call,text, and email each other about the Kings, and we would always mention one guy… number 23.
Change is hard, and I have always had a hard time letting go of players that have done us well. Ritchmond, Webber, Bibby, and even Artest. Today, though, was a different feeling. Kevin Martin, in my eyes, was a class act. In 2007 I was home for Christmas, and was able to go to a game. Martin was injured at the time, but he was out shooting before the game. He came to sign autographs, and as he signed my ticket stub, I told him to rest as long as he needed to, because he was our future. He told me that he appreciated what I said, and I was able to get a quick picture with him.
But, it is time to move on and look ahead. The Kings are our team too, and I think it is great that most of us have an emotional tie to this team. But guess what? All these hard times will make the good times that much better. We, as fans, will get that experience that others will not.
by spragueito on Feb 18, 2010 10:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for articulating this G
Thats just how I feel about it. I can’t imagine rooting for a team and not forming an attachment to more than a few of the players, that would be like being some mercenary Yankee fan.
What bonded me with Kevin the most was that he was on that team for a few years that was clearly just drifting, no real future in sight except for he and Cisco. Despite what some think I believe he tried to win every damn one of those games.
Sure there were games or even weeks were he was frustrated and not having fun, where he felt the burden of being all things to all fans too much. The roster was pretty empty of anyone else for fans to point at so he got most of the attention good and bad – and it was mostly the latter.
There were a lot of what ifs that he paid the price for. What if the team had decided to protect G Wallace in the expansion draft rather than one of the older guys often comes to mind. I don’t really blame the team for that, I understand but . . . What if they’d accepted that that Championship team was past and had torn it down and started rebuilding around him in 2005 as they should have?
It would have been painful but some pretty nice players have been drafted since then.
I blame Kevin for nothing and the team for only their desrire to hold onto that ghost of a team that was gone. The organization, the Maloofs were weak of heart, of resolve, not Kevin.
He surely didn’t deserve to become the punching bag for disillusioned fans, an indifferent preoccupied ownership and especially petty, douchey sports ‘experts’ who should have known better.
There are some young guys on the team I really like, Casspi, Brockman and Donte’ and one whose potential I respect in Tyreke
but I’ll miss him.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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Great stuff... as usual.
I have been religiously following this site for a few months now and it’s because, for the most part, the participants in the discussions “get it”.
I LOVE KMart’s game. I have, and will continue to defend him and will even try to follow him in Houston (Kings East). I will miss him.
That said, I can’t help but feel excited about Landry for what he is… A young, low-post scorer and tough SOB.
What has pissed me off all day is all the people shitting on Martin on his way out. “See, I told you he couldn’t play with Evans.” I fucking hate that shit (sorry)! He may not have been durable (to this point in his career) but to say he isn’t tough is just ignorant. A lot of great players had trouble staying off the training table, until they didn’t anymore (Grant Hill). When you have to carry a lousy team, with lousy coaches and do so with class AND establish yourself as one of the best scorers in the league then you earn followers who will be seriously tempted to punch someone in their FUCKING mouth for saying you’re soft.
And to be stuck with an untalented, unathletic, lollipop-headed, ginger kid who couldn’t play sports himself so he spearheaded the disrespectful mistreatment of this fan favorite?! Well that’s just fucking intolerable!
Welcome Mandry! Go Kings! Go Kevin!
Peaches, GO!
(Sorry about the language. That was therapeutic)
by TheFNG on Feb 18, 2010 11:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Thanks for the post ExG. Being a fan is what this site is all about.
Crazy Cowpoke Passion – and getting to share that fanaticism with the other nuts on this site. Kevin Martin has supplied hope, joy and goodness on the court and ambassadorship and determination off the court. A true King and someone that made us all proud to cheer these group.
Thanks for the lyrics for the bittersweet swan song of the Kevin Martin Sacramento era.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 19, 2010 12:11 AM PST reply actions
Great Post..
It captures the essence of being a fab very well, and has made me rethink my stance on staying a Rams fan if they sign Micheal Vick. I have been rooting for the Rams ever since I was 4 and watched my brother play for the Carmicheal Rams Pop Warner team, who I susequently played for; but must admit I am struggling with them thinking about allowing Micheal Vick on the team.
It is odd how we will overlook certain behaviors and root for players and our teams because we are FANS and the passion for that team can be blinding!
Well...24 hours have passed and i'm OK
Mitch Richmond was my favorite player of all time. I hated to see him go in that trade. Partly because we were just on the verge of becomming a winning team, and he was a big part of that. I think my definition of the “glory years” differ from most. I loved when we were just starting to really compete with teams, and we were fighting to have a winning record at home. I always used to say that we were one of the best teams in the league for 3 quarters. That trade was much harder on me though because I knew Richmond went to a Washington team that was moving in the opposite direction.
I’m ok with this trade because I know Martin is going to a competitive team on the rise. It may indeed be the best move for both parties. Deep down, i’ve worried that Martins career would be on the decline when the rest of the team was peaking. I’m ok because today we have the same fiesty, competitive bunch that I loved watching for the first half of the year. I’m ok because I don’t have to worry about there being minutes for Greene, Casspi and Garcia. I’m ok because Garcia is going to a Knicks team that should fit his skillset perfectly.
correction...
I’m ok because Rodriquez is going to a Knicks team that should fit his skillset perfectly.
if only there was some option where I could preview what I write before posting…oh wait…doh!!
My thoughts
At first it took me off guard. I thought they’d really keep him, but I’m not Petrie. At first, I thought, “Carl Landry? Dude can’t even beat out Scola.” But then I stopped and realized I really can’t judge this trade til I see what happens in the off-season. If they don’t sign anyone big, then it was a horrible trade, IMO. But I think Petrie can get something done, so I’m not too worried about it.
As far as being a Martin fan, I’m happy that he got sent to a contender. I think he was treated like crap this year, and from what the rumors are saying, he didn’t wanna be here anymore. I’m glad he gets to go with Adelman and be the old Kevin Martin (my fantasy team will be better cause of this!)
All in all, I’m a little anxious to see how Landry fits in with this team. I’m anxious to see how martin plays in Houston, and I’m really anxious to see if we can get a big name free agent here. I’m thinking we can.
Good point about the trade catching us off guard
I think that was part of what made it so difficult to understand.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
yep
the other thing, I believe, is that i don’t think they gave Martin and Evans enough time to gel. 20+ games isn’t enough time to judge how guys are going to play with each other, IMO.
Definitely not
and we will never get the answer to that question. That won’t stop plenty of people from saying that it never worked and it wasn’t going to. Hell, Aileen Voisin already wrote an article about it.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
As Agassi said: "Image is everything"
It’s funny to me the criticism Martin gets for NOT doing certain things. There’s a LOT of dominant offensive players who don’t play particularly good D (his playing the passing lanes should not be diminished). If their name is Amare or Dirk, though, they don’t get the criticism Martin gets. It’s only because Martin doesn’t fit the image we accept. Euro’s get a pass as do big, muscular guys who dunk hard. God forbid you be light-skinned, not ghetto, slight of figure and an incredible shooter. Then you aren’t living up to your potential or peoples ideal for how you should comport yourself on and off the court.
That’s the part, I think, that really rankled all of us who appreciated the dominant player Kmart was, and what he did, often single-handedly, for this proud but struggling franchise.
When Martin comes back in April, if one stray boo is heard among the ovation he surely will receive, I will be truly disgusted. I expect better of Kings fans. This isn’t Philly.
by TheFNG on Feb 19, 2010 11:08 AM PST via mobile reply actions
My love affair with the Kings...
It all started back in the Richmond-era and my team was truly horrible. I’m from Stockton so I liked the Ports, the Tigers (that’s UOP y’all), the A’s, the Niners, and most of all the Kings. My favorite early-Kings memory was when Mitch was MVP of the all-star game (remember when the all-star game was cool). We had finally won something!! It seemed as if the world had learned our little secret; The Rock is solid. This seems like a close parallel to Kevin and this trade.
My next favorite early Kings memory was finally getting my #2 jersey. All I asked for Christmas was the damn black jersey. No Nintendo games, no…. honestly, all I ever really asked for was video games so this truly was a sharp departure from the norm. I rocked that “Rock” jersey at every opportunity. Every so often I’d wear it to pickup games and I swear it elevated my game to the next level. I was draining threes and bullying my way to the hole all while locking down my man in D. Good times.
When Mitch got traded I was OK with it. He was my favorite player for sure but I could see the decline. He was not what ge once was and I was pleased to get Webber. Nobody could have predicted how fast and furious that Mitch was about to fall but we were lucky that we got his best years AND the best possible trade in his departure.
Then the best years of my life came. Dear God why did he have to hit that shot!! I mean… fuck!!! Really!!! Did Robert Horry sell his soul to the devil?!? Sorry, I am still bitter and this post just brought it all back. AARrrggghhh! OK I’m done. The good thing about that series was that it gave me my new favorite player and second jersey purchase in Mike “big f’n ballz” Bibby. I loved me some Mike. The way he nearly single-handedly destroyed the redacted was special. he never really lived up to the hype (and that contract) after the series, but I will never forget my man-love for Mike Bibby. Christ, did I just say “man-love”?!?
I was very bittersweet when Mike was traded. Very much like how I feel now, but I’ll be honest I was more attached to Mike. I can speak rationally about losing Kevin but if you look at my posts from back then you will see I supported Bibby to the end. Yeah, I’m a StR veteran.
Then the storm of Ron Artest. I was a big fan of Ron. I wanted to keep him here unlike most on this site. I now realize that he cannot be the alpha-dog or he’ll crush tour team. Too bad we didn’t have the team to keep him in-check as I would still root for Ron to this day (I simply cannot do so now as he is in league with the devil).
Then the losing started. My Kings have come full circle from when I started my obsession having gotten close but never quite reached the zenith of existence. Losing sucks. People shit on your team and your city and you really cannot say much beyond, " but have you seen this Kevin Martin guy play?" The losing continued. But Kevin got better every year and offered hope that one day it can all go away. The new breed was taking shape. Then C-Webb called timeout at the draft and got penalized with the 4th pick. The worst possible situation just happened, WTF can’t we ever win anything!!! Who knew that we struck gold Jerry, GOLD!
Tyreke muthaf’n Evans is a beast of beastly proportions. We had the best backcourt in the league. Talented young bigs. A .500 start. Watch out world, Sacramento is coming atcha. Whoopsie-daisy. Guess not. Go to jail, do nit collect $200. Oh and BTW, Kevin, get the he’ll outta here. The rug gets yanked, just like that.
The ironic thing is that I live in Houston now and will get to see more of KMart now then I ever did (live, of course). I know from watching the Rockets that we got talent in Landry. He is their best player with Yao out. I am really not displeased with our return, it just stings as it is so unexpected.
All-in-all I’m a Kings fan and always will be. I still root for Peja, MB10, Ronny Price, but not Jason Hart. I will root for Kevin Martin. Unfortunately, just not as hard as I will for Carl Landry, or Tyreke, or even Ime Udoka. Why, cause they wear purple and KMart wears red.
by Mityt on Feb 19, 2010 12:28 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Mityt
Let us know what the Houston locals think of him from time to time.
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Great post
my answer to "What does it mean to be a fan?‘, if we’re talking about the Kings, is pain. Lots and lots and lots of pain.
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