Is it in the Kings' best interests to go after a guy like Bosh this offseason?
by nobodyinparticular on Feb 19, 2010 4:24 PM PST
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Before anyone stops reading this to call me uneducated, or any number of other unpleasant things, let me first make a few points.
1) I have drooled over the possibility (see below about probability) of the Kings matching up with soon-to-be free agent Chris Bosh. He is a dynamic player who is at his peak.
2) I am speaking in hypothetical to address the viewpoint of those pining for the Texas-native so please don't stop me because you believe the probability of the Kings getting Bosh is the same as me spending the night [insert latest/greatest supermodel].
3) To repeat--this is hypothetical. I am trying to address the logic of whether or not the Kings can/should pursue Bosh in light of the franchise goals.
4) This post is not meant to address the merits of the Kevin Martin trade in any way. This only addresses the merits of pursuing Chris Bosh in free agency this summer.
Now to the meat and potatoes. Proceeding the trade of Kevin Martin (along with others), the Kings appear to be set with just enough room under the 2010-11 salary cap to hand out a max contract. In response to this, Sacramento fans are like a kid who received his first Benjamin for Christmas (or Lincoln if you had my childhood in a lower class family)--the fans just can't wait to spend this new money. With most fans assuming LeBron James is out of the question and Dwyane Wade similarly out of the question as well as a likely bad fit with PG Tyreke Evans, most of the Sacramento faithful have turned the eyes (with dollar signs in them) toward Door #3--PF Chris Bosh of the Toronto Raptors. The young PF has been a target of many fans for months, but with the financial means now to obtain the long and lanky forward, the cry for this specific free agent acquisition is getting much louder. But is this the right move? Has the trade of Kevin Martin truly cleared the path for Bosh to come to the Sacramento Kings franchise?
After the Kevin Martin trade, the Kings organization revealed one of the primary focuses of the move was age-oriented. The Kings have several key players who are 23-years old and younger--Tyreke Evans (20), Omri Casspi (21), Donte Greene (21), Spencer Hawes (21), Jon Brockman (22) and Jason Thompson (23)--and giving significant minutes to a player like Kevin Martin who is in the prime of his career did not fit into franchise's plan for the future because it took away from the minutes for the players just at the dawn of their careers. Now that Martin is gone, these players are supposedly going to receive more minutes to gain experience and each one will be given an opportunity to carve out a spot for himself (that is the assumption). With these intentions in mind, the possibility of Chris Bosh wearing royal purple in 2010 should come into question (regardless of all other factors). It would seem that a move to obtain the soon-to-be free agent would be contradictory to the stated direction of the current Kings franchise--i.e. a youth movement. Keep in mind, Bosh is no old fart by any stretch of the imagination as he is actually just under 14 months younger than the recently deported Martin, however his athletic clock is on the same period as Martin.
Just as Martin is in the prime of his career, so too is Chris Bosh in the same stage of his basketball life. While all the other key ingredients to the Kings' cake are in their early 20s, this potential free agent target will be entering his age-26 season in October 2010. By the time his max contract expires (either 5 or 6 years), Bosh would be finishing his age-31 or 32 season--coming into the downside of his career. At the same time, the core of the Kings would be just reaching their collective peaks between the ages of 26-29.
I would argue that signing Bosh to a max contract this summer would not be the most prudent move for the Kings even if I have been among those pining for him in the past few months. With the futures of Thompson and Hawes in question due to their inconsistent 2009-10 play, I would suggest the Kings should focus their efforts on building around the core of Evans, Casspi, Greene (continued development assumed) and the 2010 lottery pick. No one is suggesting the Kings should never add a significant free agent, nor is anyone suggesting that the Kings should remain in a perpetual rebuild. Wisdom, however, should be employed when discussing the prospect of a contract the size Bosh would command. I believe that wisdom mandates the Kings step back from the free agent buffet this offseason and focus on the continued development of their youth. As these youthful players continue to progress, the time will come in the summer of 2011 or 2012 to enter the free agent sweepstakes in order to find a veteran player entering his prime to push the Kings into contention for the following 5-6 years.
The positives that Bosh has over Martin is that he is a better player and he fits a much big need for the Kings--an interior presence (although not a top notch interior defender which is the biggest need for Sacramento). In terms of team direction, the Kings (are saying) they are going in one direction while Bosh represents a move in the opposite direction. I would argue that the Kings should not stray from the path of playing their young guns. Even though bringing in a free agent like Chris Bosh would be a lot of fun.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Without reading the post
it is in the best interest of every NBA team to go after Bosh
by The Most Interesting Man in the World on Feb 19, 2010 4:28 PM PST reply actions
Good post
unlike those guys above, I actually read your post.
I think you make a good case, but I really think if Bosh is available, he’s the guy I’d back up the truck for, he’s worth it.
Beyone that though, I’m totally with you. Teams get hurt in Free Agency when they reach past the elite to the almost elites. We need to be really careful there.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
If we can get him, get him.
And if we can’t, which is more likely, then Plan B
I would suggest the Kings should focus their efforts on building around the core of Evans, Casspi, Greene (continued development assumed) and the 2010 lottery pick.
We’d be silly to not at least take a crack at it before moving on.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Feb 19, 2010 5:38 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
This.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Amen
And while our core is very, very young, Reke is already very, very good. If he makes similar strides next year, and we add a Bosh to the mix, we should be talking playoffs already.
You played it safe with Plan B - But agree 100%
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Bosh would be a nice fit but...
Solomon Alabi is a true C, younger, more potential, and would be significantly cheaper. Also Bosh is a scorer, didn’t he drop 30+ on us a couple nights before the all star game. How is that going to work when the team for all intents and purposes is Reke’s and we want to see him develop into a all star scorer? And then Casspi AND Landry who are also scorers also? Won’t work and Petrie knows this. We draft a C in the draft, thats the only way I see this coming to fruition.
More talent = you can work it out
… there is always a solution when you have too much talent. If Casspi, Landry or Greene (or whoever) gets too big for their role, they could be traded for something to cover a weakness.
I think championship history shows that an elite big man and an elite guard can share the scoring load. On a great team there is enough room for two great, All-Star scorers.
by Kevin Conroy on Feb 19, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
See Shaq and Kobe, Shaq/Wade. The Martin/Evans conundrum was that historically teams have not been successful with two primary perimeter scorers. An elite guard and an elite big have done well.
And I’m not worried about Casspi and Greene. They’ve already shown they can be effective when they’re not scoring—through defense, garbage work—but they can score when needed. That’s what makes them great fits moving forward. The problem with Martin was that while he is a terrific, efficient scorer, he doesn’t do much to help when he’s not scoring.
I think Bosh's age is a reason why the Kings do need him...
… Someone needs to be here to take that alpha-dog status. I think Evans is too quiet and emotionally steady to be that guy and he’s younger than most of the youngsters in the rotation anyway. It’s going to take time for him to prove that his personality is that of a leader, if he’s going to do that.
Bosh, on the other hand, is ready to go right now. He can drop a consistent 22 and 10 every night and he will draw double teams and be an emotional and vocal leader, three things that the Kings are sorely lacking in.
Plug Bosh into the lineup and he forces the youngsters to stop goofing around and making mistakes of inexperience. Bosh and Evans pair up perfectly and the rest of the team hierarchy should fall into place naturally.
He gives the Kings an extra threat at the end of the game, where right now it’s Clear Out For Evans as the 1st, 2nd and 3rd options. Put Bosh in the high post or on the left block and let the slashers and shooters play off him. By the time Bosh is crossing age 30 and slowing down physically, the young core will be in their mid-20s and ready to take on more responsibility and pick up any slack.
Whether or not the Kings can get a stud in the draft who will mesh with Evans, it makes sense to sign an established (super?)star like Bosh instead of waiting around for the perfect player to come around as the core ages in that holding pattern.
First off, nice post, rec'd
As far as Chris Bosh coming to Sacramento. Not going to happen. No way, no how.
Why is Chris Bosh leaving Toronto? Toronto is more talented and wins more games and is in a large market. The guy wants Max Money to play for a contender, not to spearhead this young squad that is 2 or 3 seasons from playoff contention.There are 7 other teams ready to pay Chris Bosh. I would put Sacramento at the bottom portion of that list.
I contend that it will NOT happen. And I have never been wrong
well, once. I thought I was wrong, but I wasn’t.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 19, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
I hope you are wrong this one time - Bosh would be AWESOME!!!
I have been wrong more than once. For one, I thought Reggie Theus was going to be a great coach for the Kings. I also thought it was a good idea to get rid of Adelman, I have had to rethink that one.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I would say of the big free agents
Bosh is the most likely to leave. But I doubt Sacramento gets him, and if we do, it would likely be in a Sign and Trade.
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Hypothetically
What kind of value would the Kings need to give up to get Bosh in a sign and trade? Are we talking something like one of JT/Hawes/Greene/Casspi + our lottery pick in 2010? More? Less?
by nobodyinparticular on Feb 20, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
I think less
But that’s my opinion. Something like our first rounder, JT, and Greene. Maybe even adding Noce, or Beno, or Cisco (wishful thinking )
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I said "one of"
You put two of them there. I don’t know if I would do that trade in that situation. Especially considering the Kings would end up giving up a top 10 NBA draft pick along with the other two. Just adding Bosh to the team the Kings have now while subtracting JT and Greene (or Casspi/Hawes) would not make the Kings a playoff team. The Kings still need a lot more talent—especially now at SG. I say adding Bosh to the team the Kings have because the subtraction of the lottery pick means more high-end talent will *not be coming in through the draft.
by nobodyinparticular on Feb 20, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Well I don't know if you consider Amare a big free agent
But I certainly think he’ll be the first to go. Especially with his almost being traded, Nash getting older, etc. He has a home in Miami and is familiar with D’Antoni in New York—I expect him to be a Knick or Heat next year.
Disagree
You are contending that with Bosh that our younger guys development will somehow not occur? I do not see the correlation. And you are saying we should not add a superstar player until our young core reaches their prime? Why wait? If you have two superstar talents in Tyreke and Bosh, the rebuilding is done. Winning time has come.
Bosh will take responsibility off other guys and allow them to play roles to match their strengths. A dominant low post presence opens up the court for everyone, commands double teams, opens lanes for cutters, and space for spot up shooters. Every one wins. Bosh and Tyreke playing pick and roll would be unstoppable. Defensively, Bosh is above average. He’s not great, but shows well on pick and roll, and recovers. And he battles in the paint without fouling.
Bosh is actually an unselfish player, makes smart passes and takes high percentage shots. And knowingly or not, you argue in favor of Bosh by saying Shock and Hawes futures are uncertain. The FA bonanza begins at stroke of midnight this summer. Bosh’s agent can expect a call from Sacramento around 12:01 AM.
Wouldn't it be great? Yes Bosh and Tyreke
That that is a duo that would be compatible.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Not implying the young guys won't develop
But the Kings might want to be smarter about their timing of going after a top free agent—timing it to be closer to when the young Kings are closer to their prime.
by nobodyinparticular on Feb 19, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
And at the same time
Playing time is important for these young players—a large part of the reason Martin was traded in the first place. I’m still not making a blanket statement that these guys will not develop if Bosh is in Sacramento, but one cannot deny it is important that all of these young guys get an opportunity to receive big minutes.
Also, to address what you (bench_blob) said about Bosh being unselfish—I never intended to portray him either way in regards to distributing the ball. And I won’t argue that Bosh would be a huge upgrade over JT/Hawes because he would. But again, my whole point is about the timing of it all.
by nobodyinparticular on Feb 19, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
Timing of adding a significant piece
let’s say a max level FA, should correlate with when you feel as a team you are able to compete with best, and advance deep into the playoffs. Even if the the core group may not yet be at their prime, that doesn’t mean they can’t win now. The Kings have upgraded their talent base enough that they are close to being a real good team. If opportunity to sign Bosh is there, you don’t pass it up.
As example, everyone knows I am not biggest JT fan. But let’s say he is surrounded by two super stars, and asked to play a back-up center role for 15 minutes a game. Clean the boards, hustle, get put-backs, stay out of the way on offense. He could be very good in this role. Asked to do more, as he is now, which is to be a primary level big, when is a secondary level big, not so much.
This is the effect of superstar as I see it; the attention they command frees up other players to perform in complementary roles without asking them to perform above their skill level.
yep
We saw earlier this year that the team can win now, if not quite at a playoff level then close to it. Add a Bosh and another year of development for Reke and the other kids, and I don’t think you can write off playoffs next year.
I've always liked Bosh
but he would only leave a relatively young fifth place playoff team and take a pay cut if he could go to either a better team, or a big market like the Knicks or Bulls.
by White Brocklate on Feb 19, 2010 8:39 PM PST reply actions
I am going to repeat what most people have already said...
I didn’t read the whole post.
I love the idea of getting Bosh, if he would come and if the Kings could swing it. Put him at the top of our wish list.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
If you sign Bosh
I think you need to throw the rebuilding plan away. Bosh is ready to win now and isn’t going to sign up for the same thing Kevin Martin just walked away from.
You’d need to hit paydirt with this summer’s draft pick and trade most of the current roster youngsters for a third solid star to back up the Bosh-Evans pairing that makes the team a real contender while maybe keeping a couple of the young guys (Casspi would be my top choice), then plug vets into the role player slots. In other words, you throw away today’s Plan A and move on to Plan B. There is no in-between where you can have your cake and eat it, too.
So next year’s starters would be: Evans, Bosh, star No. 3, the draft pick and Casspi with whoever is left from the current roster (Landry, Beno, Garcia, JT, Spencer, Donte, Nocioni?) for 3-4 backup slots. Even with Bosh, Evans and this year’s No. 1 will probably still be too green to take you very far next year, but the following season could be special.
What is ironic is, in theory we already had star No. 3 in hand in Kmart. Beyond telling me Petrie didn’t think Kmart was part of our future, it also tells me he’s also not ready to strongly pursue Bosh this summer. As I mentioned in my post earlier today, I think he’ll continue to go young and cheap and only truly pursue someone like Bosh when that young nucleus is playoff material. Any effort to get Bosh this summer will simply be posturing to massage the fan base.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 19, 2010 11:13 PM PST reply actions
This is my thought
What is ironic is, in theory we already had star No. 3 in hand in Kmart. Beyond telling me Petrie didn’t think Kmart was part of our future, it also tells me he’s also not ready to strongly pursue Bosh this summer.
I agree with everything you said whole-heartedly. It seems that the Petrie saw the Kings at a fork in the road—start loading up for a playoff run immediately or let the stew simmer a little bit longer. With the Martin trade, he chose the way of patience. It would be an incredible change of direction for the franchise if he were to suddenly go after Bosh in the summer.
Just for kicks and giggles though, let’s look at one avenue the Kings could take in order to go “all-in.”
Assuming the Kings signed Bosh to a max contract, let’s just say the Kings trade for Emeka Okafor from the Hornets. In this, they end up giving up NO’s choice of JT/Hawes, NO’s choice of Casspi/Greene and then the 2011 1st rounder. Problem is that the Kings would then need to get rid of Beno due to salary cap so then the Kings have to give up more value just to unload his contract. Throw in the remaining JT/Hawes and the right to swap 2012 picks in order to trade Beno as well.
Then let’s say the Kings end up right around 8-10 in the lottery so they have to take one of Xavier Henry or Avery Johnson to fill their SG hole.
That means the Kings’ starting 5 would be
PG: Evans
SG: Xavier Henry/Avery Johnson
SF: Greene/Casspi (depending on who is remaining from Okafor trade)
PF: Bosh
C: Okafor
Garcia would backup the SG and SF positions, Nocioni at SF and PF. Brockman at center and then a guy like Chris Duhon/Nate Robinson/Jason Williams signed on the cheap will have to backup at PG.
Certainly would make for an interesting team.
I’ll be honest, I don’t know if those trades are realistic at all. I think the most difficult thing is finding the cap room for that 3rd player. I think that’s another reason why the Kings’ best option might be to wait a season or two, see if one of those develops from within (JT/Hawes/Greene/Casspi). If not, then it might be easier to move a couple of their bad contracts in Nocioni (who only has two more years left), Beno (3 more years) and Garcia (3 as well).
by nobodyinparticular on Feb 19, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
None of this mentions Landry at all.
He’s going to be a starter here, or a big trade chip under some of these scenarios.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Who would this third star be?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
CJ Watson.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Heh.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Bosh is 25
He will be ready to win for the next 7 or more years.
I view your premise differently:
I think you need to throw the rebuilding plan away. Bosh is ready to win now and isn’t going to sign up for the same thing Kevin Martin just walked away from.
If Petrie were to acquire Bosh, I would see him as a very important piece to the rebuilding plan. There is no reason that there cannot be a great veteran to be the glue that pulls this team together. With Bosh on the team, I think there would be a lot more wins. As for Kevin, he didn’t just walk away. There were a lot of factors which came into play in the Martin decision. If anything, he was driven away. So, I think it is hard to compare Martin’s situation to Bosh’s. Whether he could be enticed to come here is a different story.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
So if we did let the stew simmer this offseason...
who could be that Bosh-like UFA in the summer of 2011? 2012? Will those classes be worth waiting for???
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I do not like Bosh. I am tired of him, he was Rupaul last year and will always be and his mid-range jumper really tickes me off. The last place I wan’t him is the team I follow religiously everyday from across the country. I totally agree with the idea of strongly pursuing “the missing piece” when our young core is ready. That move, more than an immediate move for Bosh could catapult us in the proper direction (that of patience now, and addition through FA/big trade later).
Read it, great piece
I have been thinking about this for some time and I don’t want any Star in Sacramento. Not any at all.
I think we need to focus on the team. Teams win championships and not stars. I also think that stars often lose games for teams. Isn’t it interesting that the trend for the Fakers is to lose if K@be goes off for too many points too early in the game. Stars can hurt a team if they aren’t a good teammate and often they are stars because they focus on their own self and not others on the court.
Then there is the financial piece. You sign a couple of max deals and you can’t pay what your up and coming talent is worth. Meaning they leave and go elsewhere to hurt us later. It seems that the strength of Petrie is young talent and that should be how we get to greatness. Not bringing in some max contracts that mean we are stuck with older players that hurt us in a few years. We should continue to build through young and upcoming players who grow and develop into a team.
No Bosh, no max deals, no more MLEs, and we get a team of talented, young and upcoming players.
History disagrees
Teams win championships and not stars
Kobe, Pau, Shaq, Duncan, Wade, Jordan, Pipeen, Hakeem… the list goes on. Superstars, combined with a well-fitting group of players who know their roles, win championships. Of course we need to avoid the MLE, but avoiding stars if you have the chance to acquire them? I couldn’t disagree more.
We already have 3 MLE players anyway in Beno, Cisco or Noc
It’s not a problem.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Championships make Stars
My first ever post here, after lurking a long time.
Kobe, Pau, Shaq, Duncan, Wade, Jordan, Pipeen, Hakeem… the list goes on. Superstars, combined with a well-fitting group of players who know their roles, win championships.
Plenty of so-called Stars never reached (Super)Star status when they didn’t win championships. And some good players became Stars because of the fact they won rings. You think that Ben Wallace, Billups and Hamilton would have been Stars if the Pistons wouldn’t have won a championship? There’s your prime example of a team that won a championship without a star.
So I think Teams win championships, and only with Stars that understand that they are part of a team. Even Jordan understood he couldn’t do it alone. It’s more than having a good supporting cast; it’s willing to work together with it. But I digress from the original topic.
I read the whole post, and I agree that the Kings shouldn’t go after a big FA yet. As much as I like Reke, Omri and the other youngsters, they still have to show consistency, improvement and the ability to win games together. I think only at the end of next season, we have a better view on how the team is shaping up, and which pieces should be added to the puzzle and which pieces traded away. Until that time, the Kings should be careful, IMO.
by RikSmits on Feb 22, 2010 7:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
team is the key
Even Jordan understood he couldn’t do it alone
but it took Jordan 3 or 4 years to figure it out if you remember.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 22, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
I am in a cynical mood, so please excuse me for being sandpaper on the above fantasies
All this Chris Bosh is coming to Sacramento talk is sounding like:
What if Elle McPherson joins ms. bte and I for a threesome? I could probably trade her for Brooklyn Decker the following weekend. I will pick her up at the airport in my gull wing MBZ because I am sure I can find one on CarMax for under $50K and I might be able to trade up my house by getting one of those cheap foreclosure deals on a large acrage estate and with interest rates so low I can swing it. I am ready to deal!
by betweentheeyes on Feb 20, 2010 12:47 PM PST reply actions
Well the fact of the matter is we have max money
Why can’t we talk about what we would like to spend it on?
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by Neil Manich on Feb 20, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
we can fantasize
I was doing that as well. My opinion is that the Bosh fantasy and the above fantasy are about as likely as happening.
Am I being a downer, a dream crusher? Absolutely, and for that I apologize. Reality Bites.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 20, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Kings are a dark horse.
I have a post that may or may not help assuage your fears some.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
nice read on ECI, PG
Shouldn’t you also factor in the minimum salaries needed to make the Kings a 13 man roster?
by betweentheeyes on Feb 20, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
No.
There’s no reason to.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
And if that was the case bte...
the Knicks and Heat wouldn’t likely have max cap room.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
For 2 FA's I mean.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Didn't you leave out Omri Casspi in that article?
I’m pretty sure he’s still gonna be here next year.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Are you talking about the players on the roster next year for the Kings?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
For some reason I knew I was missing someone.
The funny thing was I did have Omri’s salary included. Thanks Aykis.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
*ahem*
2) I am speaking in hypothetical to address the viewpoint of those pining for the Texas-native so please don’t stop me because you believe the probability of the Kings getting Bosh is the same as me spending the night [insert latest/greatest supermodel].
;-)
Personally, I don’t even know that I can comment on the probability of Bosh coming to Sacramento. I feel completely helpless in terms of making up my mind one way or the other in regards to the potential for this move to actually happen.
by nobodyinparticular on Feb 20, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
I dont think we can get Bosh
I say draft best available, I prefer a big with potential (cousins, favors, whiteside) rent an Okafor or Dalembert to help with our defensive issues for a couple of years while JT, Hawes grow and we will get to the playoffs in 10-11.
Good post, it has some merit.
I think its a fine line, and its actually very tricky to decide which way to go. However, I don’t think its black & white as far as a right answer goes. I think it depends on what route you want to take to achieve your goal.
You have a teams like OKC and Portland who have basically built thru the draft, acquiring young talent. They are going to be good for a long time as they keep refining they’re rosters around the stars. Then you have a team like Atlanta who did it a little different. They added a guy in Joe Johnson to a team of youngsters. Let that develop and then added vets Bibby and Crawford. Now they are a formidable team.
You do need at least 2 stars to win titles. Detroit is the exception, they were a consumate team. But you look at guys like Kobe and Duncan. They both won titles at very young ages and within their first few years in the league. Kobe was pretty young during that first title run with Shaq, and Duncan was a rookie when he won it with Robinson.
So IMO…you add Bosh if you can. Even when Bosh is in his early 30’s, barring injury he’ll still be a good player. The big 3 in Boston just showed what guys in their 30’s can still accomplish. So even if Bosh has declined some, Tyreke will be in his prime and at his best.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
that is the formula
Spurs have 3 – but they are old. Wizards had 3, now they have none (no way Arenas returning).
It takes more than just superstars – but it takes that at least.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 20, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
Don't go so far to say that bte...
..before reading this.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
rue the day...
it is only a thinly veiled disguise – they will be lucky to get 40 cents on the dollar. When the list of the worst contracts in the NBA comes back every year for the next four years (with the new CBA and lowered salary cap) they will try and make the number one slot font bigger and bolder. The Arenas contract has $80M left and tops the list this year.
Ernie Grunfeld has to start manufacturing the facade and this was the first layer of BS. More to come.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 21, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah if Ernie Grunfeld wasn't stubborn about the whole thing
They might have thought about not offering Gilbert Arenas that money in ’08.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
should we write the press release now on the Gil Arenas trade?
“We are sorry to see Gilbert go. He has been an important part of our franchise but it was time to set forth on a new direction. We wish him well”
by betweentheeyes on Feb 22, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
Heh.
I don’t think anyone expects him to return. But if they can void his contract they probably will. Not showing a vendetta publicly helps that I imagine.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Bosh would be great but...
I’d like to pick up Fesenko or Mbenga or another True BIG 5 and bring back one of these 4’s May/Brockman/Dorsey to play back up to Hawes/Thompson/Landry. We can also use DG at the 4 if Coach wants to go small. Even though Bosh Nasty would be nice, I don’t think our bigs are a problem, they just need more time to develop. I would much rather have the Cap to resign our own players then spend the money to bring in a free agent.
Casspi and DG fill the spot at SF no problems there. That leaves Cisco/Tyreke/Beno playing the guard positions which is where I think the Kings need to Upgrade. So many different ways they can upgrade.
I realistically like Signing Felton from the Bobcats to start with Tyreke, and drafting Evan Turner, Wesley Johnson, or Xavier Henry to develop at the 2.
Yes Bosh Nasty would be Nice, but I think our bigger hole is in the back court next to our Evans.
- I hate Noc’s game and didnt include him in any future Kings plans. I would be happy if they traded him to Vince McMahon for Hornswoggle, Jim Ross, or Sexual Chocolate Mark Henry!
Right on - stay with Plan A
love the thread
enjoy the insights
Bosh would be great add at the 4, but I doubt GP can convince him that rebuilding team in the West has better chance to compete for Championship in next 3-4 years than similar team in the East (Chi, Mia, Knicks). Although the balance of power might finally be shifting, with SA, Phx and Dallas in decline … and teams like Hou and Utah nothing special.
More likely Kings continue to build around Evans, Casspi & Mandry. With JT, Hawes and Greene fighting to prove that they can be big-time players who can produce today, not just 3 yrs from now.
For the draft, I say BPA – whether that’s 1, 2, 4, 5 or the best “player” not named J Wall (E Turner). Everybody else on today’s roster is expendable! AND you can still make trades to improve the roster at the 1, 2 or 5 … doesn’t just have to be FA route.
I really want a 2nd 1st rounder
There are some interesting big men later in the draft and yes, you have to take the BPA at our 1st pick whether thats Turner, Favors, Cousins . . . .
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 22, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
draft day = trade day
IMO Kings will wait to see where they pick on D-day (top 5?!) and might use their high 2nd rounder + asset(s) on the roster to either trade up to get the player they want in the 1st, acquire another 1st rounder, or trade for solid vet to combine with this year’s #1 and round out the roster
Agree
Bosh should be a very good fit to our game style.
My only distress is that the years are passing and still we make no moves for interior defender. And everyone knows this is our biggest problem. That’s not an something to juxtapose the Bosh argument, I’m just saying.
CHRIS BOSH WILL NOT COME TO SACRAMENTO... PERIOD!
I don’t care how much cap space we have, how much money, or what players we have for him to play with
BOSH WILL NEVER COME TO SACRAMENTO… GET IT THROUGH UR THICK HEADS
Name the biggest free agent we’ve ever got: Vlade Divac
We will get a second-tier FA at best and most likely, we’ll have to trade for a player to fill that cap space
Bosh will hit a big market or stay in Tor
Two 2nd tier FA`s I`d like to see the King`s go after are B.Haywood & T.Sefolosha.
They could start w/ Tyreke,Green & Landry.
W/ Beno,Garcia,Omri.JT,Hawes,Noc & 1st round pick, off the bench.
An element seems missing from the discussion of timing.
It is important that our players be in the right place in their development, but it is also important that our cap space be in the right place in its development. If we’re talking about bringing in a max-level free agent, we need a lot of space. As years go by, our lottery picks will be up for extensions. We will have to choose between giving them significant chunks of money and losing them, setting ourselves back in our development. That starts the summer of 2012 with Hawes, and it doesn’t stop.
That means that if we want to go with a max-level free agent signing to complete our current core, we’re probably looking at choosing between this summer and next. Would anyone available in 2011 be as good for us as Bosh?
I agree with you that from a talent-only standpoint, it would be great to wait another few years. But because of the salary cap and the need to pay our draft picks eventually, our timeline is constrained.
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