Kings Crash, Lose in OT 112-109
by Ziller on Feb 2, 2010 5:10 AM PST
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"It's not that we expect that no matter what we're going to have a bad quarter, but we're continually victimizing ourselves with one and taking away otherwise pretty good all-around performances," [Spencer] Hawes said. "These should translate to wins."
Bingo.
Kevin Martin didn't have his best game by any standard, but it was a good all-around performance -- 22 points, six assists, five rebounds. All you'll remember are the overtime turnover (his first of the game), Arron Afflalo jumper over Martin to give the Nuggets a two-point lead at the end of overtime, and Martin's missed foul-drawing attempt driving on Kenyon Martin. That's the nature of the game, and, frankly, this team. Hawes in talking about a bad quarter ruining things, but it's also been specific crippling plays.
Of course, that's the case for every team, and feeling like the self-mutilating victim comes with the territory of a losing spell. I mean, Kobe clanked a potential game-winner Monday. You think the [REDACTED] didn't feel badly for themselves? It's easy to buy into to the "woe is us" mentality, but momentum and confidence shift so rapidly in this league (and world, really) that it's no use to fret. Another time, maybe next time, it won't all be for naught. It'll turn around, and there was enough good in this bad finish to make me feel hopeful an extended strand of good is on its way.
Beno Udrih wasn't particularly good in replacement of Tyreke Evans. Beno made a few nice plays, but shot poorly and imploded as a ball-handler in the third quarter. Sergio Rodriguez wasn't a model of efficiency off the bench, but the shots he gets teammates are unlike any other from anyone on the roster. He really sees the court, a perfect comparison point to both Evans and Udrih. But, yes, someday he could turn out a 20-turnover game. I have no doubt about that.
The Kings did beautifully on the glass, so don't discount Hawes's seven rebounds -- the whole team dominated the defensive glass, and Spencer did happen to have a killer putback near the end of regulation to tie the game. It's one of the few losses in recent memory where you can definitively say it wasn't the bigs that cost the Kings a win. Jason Thompson certainly wasn't any good, but Hawes, Andres Nocioni and Jon! Brockman! all played fine. It's a rare relief.
I think we all underrate Kenyon Martin. What a solid player on both ends. He hit that first open jumper from roughly 18-20 feet, and that kept Thompson and the subsequent defenders honest enough that Martin could drive. He never stopped hitting the jumpers, of course, but he was also able to use the dribble to get the Kings into trouble. And his defense, as Kev was reminded in the final play, is always fantastic. Such quick hands and quick feet. If Blake Griffin turns into the defender Martin is, the West is in trouble.
Denver is quite glad to not see the Kings for another nine months or so. Kings take the season series 2-1 with the loss going down to the final seconds of overtime, relying on a Arron Afflalo pull-up jumper. Heck, when you look at it that way, that "woe is us" feeling just dissipates, doesn't it?
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A few things I noticed from my short watching time:
- You might need to talk to Ben Q Rock about switching domain names
- Can someone tell Kevin to quit trying to draw fouls in important moments? Get a good shot off instead of flopping around after a little bump and making your shot harder. Get the shot to fall, then worry about the foul.
- Why aren’t these guys running plays in crunch time? Can someone get them some tape of all their isolation plays at the end of close games and see how many of them are successful and how many of those successful ones don’t involve ‘Reke?
- Why isn’t there a go to play with the shot clock winding down? The ball got tipped away at one point and Sergio runs into the backcourt to retrieve it. He’s got 10 seconds. He dribbles the ball and jacks up a three. Why not run a quick pick and roll with Spencer?
- If Spencer and JT ever decide to have good games on the same night, other teams in this league will need to fear us
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by vfettke on Feb 2, 2010 5:22 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Third Quarter Collapse no longer is in existence V.
It’s called Orlando Pinstriped Post now.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I was impressed with Kenyon Martin as well
He’s worked on some facets of his game to make him more valuable to that team. His touch around the basket was nice (with the left hand as well).
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Kenyon
He’s been a solid player for the last couple of years now, but everyone has seen his performance versus his contract and it painted him in a bad light.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Very good for a number of years
Just not #1 pick in the draft good, franchise player good.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
to be fair
That draft was one of the worsts. Its not like he was drafted in front of another franchise, can’t miss player.
That was the worst draft I can ever remember other than 1990.
Seriously, the 2000 NBA draft was beyond putridly awful. Here are the best players: Desmond Mason, Hedo Turkoglu, Quentin Richardson, Jamal Crawford, Kenyon Martin and Michael Redd.
Which one do you think is the best of that group? 2000 NBA Draft link for ya if you don’t believe me.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I also forgot Joel Przybilla and Jamaal Magloire.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Actually the 2000 draft wasn't that putrid
There were role players, but no franchise players anywhere in the draft.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
you know it was a bad draft when you feel you need to correct your fix draft recap by including Jamaal Magloire
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 2, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
LOL good point.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I'd rank the top 4
Martin, Redd, Turkoglu, Crawford
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The thing is that at different times
Who have been the best players is a matter of opinion. I think Joel Przybilla is one guy who has managed to actually hang onto his career after an ungodly start to his career.
I like Hedo, of course, and Jamal Crawford has gotten nice pub this season, but there was times when Jamaal Magloire was an All-Star caliber player.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Like the year when he went to the All-Star game?
:P
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Well if you wish to be picky about such things, sure.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Kevin's not stupid
I don’t think he was trying to draw a foul on that last shot; he’s seen NBA games and how refs call them before.
It looked to me like he was trying to beat Kenyon off the dribble, got bumped which knocked him off balance and he had to try to shoot it from there. He needs to be stronger to make that work, of he needs a midrange move that ends up with a fadeaway jumpshot of some kind rather than trying to get all the way to the rim in that situation.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
I was thinking the same
Afflalo hit the type of shot that Kevin needs to use in those type of situations.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Afflalo didn't have Kenyon Martin on him
Kevin had a hand right in Afflalo’s face.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
I mean that type of shot in general. Kevin tries to draw the contact in those situations to get to the line, but you have to be hacked to get a whistle there. He’s quick enough, especially with a big on him, to try that step back jumper.
He could actually learn a lot watching a guy like Billups, who isn’t the quickest guy, but has great footwork that helps him free up for a variety of different shots.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Billups is also ridiculously strong for a guy his size though.
I agree he could learn something from Chauncey, but I’m not sure what.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Billups isn't quick
But his drive fake on the perimeter is often good enough to give him the space to get a shot off. No real strength required there…
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
On the other hand he is crafty.
Which was sort of my point. Billups has some natural gifts (craftiness, strength), but so does Martin. I don’t know that Kevin can learn much from Chauncey Billups that he hasn’t already learned.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
That's the best shot we can get?
So, we run off the entire shot clock and don’t set any sort of a play so the guy who just turned the ball over can go 1 on 1?! Apparently, PW only knows one play at the end of games: The school yard 1 on 1 play where one guy dribbles and the other four watch. There was plenty of time to actually run a play. (And to shot with more than barely a second left onthe clock should you miss.) Spencer was on fire and should have at least touched the ball on the play – even if it’s at the high post to pass the ball so the floor would spread a bit. Now, I don’t mind Martin taking the last shot even though he wasn’t close to on fire. But he simply doesn’t have the ball handling skills or finishing skills of a Tyreke. I’d much rather see him shooting some sort of shot where he can square up to the basket.
At some point, PW is going to have to recognize that this team has the best chance to score when it spreads the floor and shares the ball – especially when you there is damn near 20 seconds left in the game. That’s was the sort of play you run when there is is not time to develop something.
Poor play call and poor execution – the later defining this team the last month.
by Kusian on Feb 2, 2010 7:24 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
that was my thought exactly
That would have been a good play if Reke had the ball. Martin excels off the ball though. I would have liked to see something like a high screen and roll with Udrih going to his left and Hawes setting the screen. Probably have Martin start on the right baseline corner and swing to the left baseline corner with Udrih starts…and need Casspi at the 3 pt line just left of center to keep the defense honest.
THat is not a good play with Reke either
We already had this bit of angst earlier in the season, after a couple of game winners, we tried this play with Reke a few close games in a row with Tyreke and PW had to spend the post game interviews defending it. With 17 seconds left, we have time to run a play and pass the ball, that one-on-one isolation, whether it is Kevin or Tyreke, is a terrible play. Our coaching staff needs to be competent enough to try and get someone open of a screen or cut.
The 1-4 Flat is getting boring and unproductive
But for the first 41 games, Martin is 2nd to Ime in percentage of made baskets inside 10 ft. at 47.4%. Although Martin is last among the guards at finishing at the rim at 52.9%, it actually last on the team, excluding Hilton.
And, he did get the shot off in spite of Kenyon’s defense, so I’d give Kevin a pass, but PW gets an incomplete. I really think we could have used more sets during the 3rd quarter where the real damage was done.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Some more insights
Martin ended the game with 22/5/6 when Tyreke was out. Tyreke had 20/5/5 when Martin was out, a coincidence?
Without Tyreke the team came up with 27 assists, a coincidence?
Is it possible that:
1. Tyreke isn’t and probably will not be a PG (he’s an all star Guard though)
2. Martin and Tyreke – both excellent at SG (each with its unique pros and cons) can’t play together without hurting the team’s game flow?
PW – stop playing and begin coaching.
a coincidence?
Yep.
a coincidence?
Yep.
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by tomroadrunner on Feb 2, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And au Utah playing together on teh road against one of the best teams in the conference
They combined 56/9/13 and 4 steals. Coincindence? Of course not! They are great players who play great. When one is on the floor or both are on the floor.
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Gordan Ryan
by SavageBeast on Feb 2, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But the team did not play well
To say there is not a disconcerting trend and lack of cohesion so far with Tyreke/K-Mart on floor together is to be dishonest in your analysis.
We saw the Kings play real well when Tyreke and K-Mart missed the game @ LA too. The ball movement was crisp and Kings got high percentage shots all night. Ultimately it broke down like it did last night in the 4th quarter when defenders get serious, and Beno and Sergio are asked to make plays they can’t really make.
Omri and Spencer had really good games @ LA and last night, and to me it comes down to touches, which doesn’t get talked about much. For players to find their rhythm, make plays, make meaningful contributions, they have to get touches. Not just shots, but being involved in the offensive sets, chance to make plays.
Tyreke needs to recognize the responsibility of his position as PG, may differ from his primary strengths as player. He can be our PG, but he has to be better. He needs to find that balance, and it’s tough for a young player to forego his scoring prowess for the good of the team at certain times of the game. Omri and Spencer are too talented to be invisible on the court, and its the PG job to keep them involved, and find them in the right spots. K-Mart needs to resist urge to take shots out of context of offense too.
In all fairness to both, sharing the ball with teammates become easier too when comparable talent is on the floor. Touches will balance out and ball movement improves when you have 5 guys who can play. Tyreke would be much more likely to play pick and roll with Dwight Howard, for example, then bounce the ball of JT and out of bounds. I don’t blame K-Mart or Tyreke’s tendency to take over at times, but its not a winning formula. But at this point, adding players with swagger of K-Mart and Tyreke, and close to comparable skills, makes more sense than prematurely concluding it can’t work.
But let’s be honest. So far, it has not worked.
by bench_blob on Feb 2, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I still have hope that the chemistry will develop
We saw glimpses of our “could be special” backcourt in Utah. Spence seems like he’s really starting to “get it”. JT will work through this slump and rediscover his comfort on the court. Omri is only going to get better. You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 2, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
This is great analysis.
I’ve been trying to say something similar for a few weeks but have not put as well as you just did. This team must move and share the ball. In the future, Tyreke may be a Kobe or Wade type. He’s not yet. Kevin will never be this calibur of player – mostly because of his average ball handling skills. But we do have some nice, young pieces that need to be consistently involved. Spencer and Omri are good examples. This team will continue to lose close games if our offense is simply one or two guys dominating the ball.
I agree with your points about touches.
I’m not sure I would agree that it hasn’t worked yet. I don’t think a small sample size is worthy of anything to say that something works or does not. Time is needed, and that time has not elapsed. By the end of the season, I think we will have our answer whether the Speed/Reke backcourt will work.
As to whether or not it has worked up until this point, I do not care because, again, it’s not the point. Based on large enough sample sizes, I will make that judgment. I won’t go off a handful games and say it’s not a success or otherwise.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Exactly, my thinking
Also, it’s not just the PG’s responsibility to find the open man. It’s the other players responsibility to get open. It’s a lot easier for the PG to see a player coming open off a screen, for a pass and a open shot, then it is for the PG to beat his man, drive in to the paint, and then find the open man once he’s doubled.
There’s nothing seriously wrong with any of our PG’s. They just can’t be expected to make a play while the rest of the players are standing around. They need to have other players working to get open, and cutting into the lane for an open 10-15 ft jumper or going all the way to the rim of dunks and layups.
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yes, once again there was not enough
cutting and moving to get open in crunch time.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
by the way, i technically am not sure what the 1-4 flat is
my impression is that it’s letting a guard hold the ball at the top of the key, spread everyone out and let him drive to the hoop while everyone else stands out in the perimeter
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Thats pretty much it.
Beat your man or kick it out to a shooter
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Which...strangely enough...Reke is pretty good at it after all.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
true
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
we have only really had this combo in the backcourt for two games
so I think it is still way to early to draw any kind of conclusion. Will the rest of the team get less touches with that back court? Of course, and I would want it that way.
The rest of the team will have new roles, and they will need to adjust their games accordingly…which will of course take time.
I know people are dissapointed, but....
I’m not. I love the potential I see on this team and how they’re building for the future. There are a few moves to be made that will go a long way to ensure the success of our Kings going forward. Here’s what I’m proposing: Trade Kevin Martin and Jason Thompson to Utah for Carlos Boozer and sign him to a 5 yr $80 million contract. He’s a 20 & 10 guy every night and a much needed low post presence that the Kings desperately need. Utah then trades K-Mart to Dallas (who really wants him) for Josh Howard, and his expiring contract. I’d also like to see Nocioni get moved, as he doesn’t really fit in on this team and he’s owed about $21 mill over the next 3 years. If they could either get an expiring contract back or a decent big to back up Hawes and Boozer, that would be fine. With Kenny Thomas’ and Shariff’s contracts coming off the books, that will free up an additonal $15 million next year, some of which can be used to sign Boozer. So next year we roll out Beno at the point and Sergio backing him up ,Tyreke at the 2 (he’s not a PG), Garcia at the 3 with Donte Green backing him up, Boozer at the 4 with Brockman as his back up and Hawes at the 5, with a serviceable back up to him. That said, we then draft (with our lottery pick) Evan Turner, Wesley Johnson, or Xavier Henry as their SG of the future. All are more athletic than K-Mart and have a brighter upside, like defense and getting to the basket.
Welcome
There’s a thread called “Asinine Trade Thread” that’s always in the “Recommended Fanposts” or “Recent Fanposts” section for these kinds of discussions. You’re more likely to get good feedback on your ideas there.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 2, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
Its not for drafting players
who we have no idea where they will fall, with picks we don’t as yet have in hand – but yes, send it there.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
TZ and 214 do a nice job of draft threads, draft boards (later in the year)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
I am convinced that we would not have these type of arguments if not for franchise mode in video games
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 2, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
I could spend hours trying to trade rosters around on NBA2K10.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
i agree
except replace “I could spend hours trying to trade rosters around on NBA2k10” with “I have spent an entire days trying to trade rosters around on NBA2k10.”
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
freaking Greg Oden in NBA 2K9
you had to give up two picks to get him his rookie year, but if you didn’t do it then, you were never getting him.
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Sir! Please!
5 year contract for 29 year old Boozer? That was the least unhinged thing you suggested.
by Can'tSufferFools on Feb 3, 2010 12:46 AM PST up reply actions
The Kings were +19 with Chapu on the floor
It’s a shame he doesn’t play more.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
And the players with the best hair were marvelous!
More playing time for those with clean hair. Yes, I am talking to you Birdman and Nash. Clean it up! Did you notice how clean cut Noc, Beno, and K-Mart all looked! And Hawes, freshly washed and combed.
El pelo limpio es el mejor. ¡Sí!
by shampooforyou on Feb 2, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Best part is his sig
“A clean head is the best! Yes!”
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Clean hair I should say.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
They did look exceptionally well last night.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Also, "cabello" is probably more fitting than "pelo"
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
Maybe that's part of the satire.
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 2, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
He played well
though that offensive foul on a veeeery simple two on one fast break was a killer. Unfortunately, thats what stands out to me from our veteran.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
I am a big Noce fan too
And have appreciated his play as of late, but he seems to do one bonehead play every game, and that offensive foul was his last night. He is too good to make dumb decisions like that.
Damn! not the 3 straight threes in the 2nd quarter?
Kinda glass half empty way of looking at things.
There can only be one Noce!
Crunch time fail . . . .
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
thank you
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
Coincidence?
Noc with a floppish unwashed mop of hair against Utah goes for 5/2/2 in 23 minutes.
Noc with a new do and and shining locks against Denver goes for 11/4/3 in 23 minutes
Coincidence? I think not.
El pelo limpio es el mejor. ¡Sí!
by shampooforyou on Feb 2, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 15 recs
My new favorite troll.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Going green
though I wonder how long that material stays fresh, shiny and fragrant.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Post, rinse, repeat
El pelo limpio es el mejor. ¡Sí!
by shampooforyou on Feb 2, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Must have the same beautician.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
It's not the hair
it’s the missing arm sleeve! It frees his arm to shoot with abandon.
This explains why we lost the game!
Once our guys start crossing over into the clean-cut nice guy look, they lose their toughness image. It makes is kind of hard to intimidate the opponent when you are squeaky clean. Just look at them,I don’t even see any tatoos. There should be a rule against this. Next thing you know they will be having weekly manicures and facials, it they don’t already. Bring back the stringy greasy hair and get some tatoos while you are at it.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
A good shampooer
Never washes and tells
El pelo limpio es el mejor. ¡Sí!
by shampooforyou on Feb 2, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Why not start Sergio at PG
On a per minute basis, Sergio is killing both Tyreke and Beno at assists.
Assists/minute
Sergio .237
Tyreke .136
Beno .132
So how about starting Sergio at PG with Tyreke at SG and Beno comes off the bench.
When things got tough,Sergio turned it over all over the place
Beno as well. If your PGs turn it over 10 times in a half (or 10 times period), you probably lose.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
There were very few turn overs in the first half of the game.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Huh?
No kidding. I said, when things got tough, after the half, when a good team amped up the pressure, he turned it over 5 times.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
You did - but it sounded so negative the way you put it.
I wanted to balance it with the positive. As you point out, it wasn’t just Sergio. Remember, too, that Sergio hasn’t played that many minutes in game time as of late, except for some garbage time. Also, Coach put him in back to back quarters. Beno at least had more rest going into the third. Just giving the benefit of the doubt to Sergio.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Sure
but the whole reason that there are point guards is to handle and distribute the ball, maximize offensive possessions and control the game. As well as he/they played in the 1st half, their bumbling caused others to do too much forcing as well.
You have to be sharper when good teams put on pressure, not be wilder – or even the same. Like it or not they Are responsible.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I won't argue with you there.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Sergio is killing Tyreke and Beno in turnovers as well.
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Fixing Tyreke's jumpshot
would be easier in my opinion.
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I agree
I think Sergio is better in his role as the occasional fire starter, playing him starters minutes would expose him defensively and his iffy decision making.
How does that make Tyreke a better PG
It actually succeeds more at making him a better 2 than a 1
Sigh
Mike Bibby. Beno Udrih. Both players Kings fans have never questioned as being Point guards. Yet Tyreke averages the same amount of assists Bibby did in his 5th and 6th years as a King, Beno has never averaged as many assists as Tyreke. Yet both are excellent shooters.
Face the facts. You’re qualifying Tyreke as a SG because he’s 6’5. HEIGHT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR POSITION!
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I'm only considering new angles
That’s all. If Sergio starting at PG is a mistake so be it. I was just thinking it might even open up more scoring opportunities for all including Tyreke. Tyreke dribbling the ball up the court and going one on one is starting to get old and other teams aren’t falling for it as much.
But I dont know
How effective Tyreke would be as a 2-gaurd. His whole game is predicated on being able to dictate the pace of the offense, and being able to take an opposing player (who is usually smaller) to the basket, where he is an excellent finisher. If he was playing 2-gaurd, how would he be dominate the ball? He is probably never going to be a great catch and shoot player, and when we have tried posting him up, that hasnt gone well either. Tyreke is great because he CAN play the point guard position.
I think the trick is to get the best 5 on the floor
So thats Tyreke Martin and ….JT sometimes but It might be Spence, Beno (except if you count recently), Casspi when he’s not in a shooting slump…um Brock on the right day….Never mind, I’m sensing a problem with my point
by ElRonToro on Feb 2, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You're not spiderman are you?
Cuz I think you got that Spidey sense tingling thing going.
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Tyreke's assist
numbers are not great for PG who handles the ball as much as he does. And comparing him to Bibby, who really acted more like a 2 when he was here (with Christie running the point ) doesn’t really help your argument. I think he will get better in this area because of his work ethic, but he is still more scorer than play maker. And it is obvious to anybody watching that he does not do enough to involve others on the floor. This doesn’t mean that he can’t be a good PG or that he not already our best all-around player. (To me, it’s obvious that he is.) However, to get the most out of this team, Tyreke needs to be better at involving this teammates. Ball movement has to be the goal of this team going forward.
they're not great
but they’re not really bad either.
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Nope.
Not bad at all for a 20 year old learning the position. But for us to get better, he’s got to be better. Honestly, it’s not fair and probably unrealistic to put this kind of pressure on him. Tyreke, though, is the future. So, might as well start setting the bar high now.
Just for the record
I have always questioned Beno as a PG and for the same reasons you say Tyreke is classified as a SG, only reversed. Just because Beno is the shortest dude on the floor doesn’t a PG make. I have always thought he was just a short SG.
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Just because Beno is the shortest dude on the floor doesn’t a PG make.
I know you were going for the “one X doesn’t a Y make” meme that’s so overused these days, but you can’t just start it mid-sentence without warning like that. It’s almost as bad as saying you could care less when, in fact, you don’t.
If you want to start a sentence that way, just finish it with “doesn’t make him a point guard.” If you’ve got to give in to the meme, a correctly formed version would be the standalone sentence:
A short dude (on the floor) doesn’t a PG make.
The “(on the floor)”, of course, being optional.
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My thoughts
- Afflalo is a stupid name
- Kevin Martin is a great and special player, but at the end of close games when he and Tyreke are both healthy, Martin’s codename should and will be “Decoy”.
- I would be over-the-moon excited for Spencer Hawes right now if he hadn’t already broken my fragile heart so many times this year. I want to believe so bad that he finally “get’s it”, that his recent consistent play is for real and not just a mirage, but my wounds have not quite fully healed. I’m pretty close though to falling head-over-heels for that Bush lovin’ SOB and never looking back.
- The only people that don’t love Jon Brockman are the other team’s players. The Denver announcers referred to him as the “Brocktopus” and nearly wet themselves when he charged back as hard as he could to block and “foul” on what would’ve normally been an uncontested Denver transition layup late in the game. With every game, his legend grows.
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Segio starting is a joke.
Sergio in bits is great. Lots of time = lots of TOs and bad shots. And I can’t believe people are still posting that Tyreke isn’t a PG. Is this the Sac Bee suddenly?
As for Kevin….. I love the dude but saw his flaws clearly last night. He forced shots looking for fouls at the end of games last year and didn’t get calls. He will learn, I hope. And he definitely has some problems moving on D. He needs Tyreke out there.
The Kings overall look like a bunch of parts that need to find their place. It is a bit disconcerting. Will JT come out of it soon? Can the two bigs play well together? Really, who’s worth keeping on the roster, and where do the Kings go?
I don't care whether Sergio starts
I’d just like to see him get consistent minutes. The team is using this year to evaluate “young talent” – I think he’s at least raised himself to that level.
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by otis29 on Feb 2, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed - I was happy that Coach Westphal at least acknowledged Sergio's performance last night.
It gives me hope that he might start to look for him once again, like he did at the beginning of the season. Sergio played very well in the second quarter. I agree that this is the year to evaluate young talent. Sergio is only 23. He may well be a diamond in the rough, but his true potential won’t be discovered if he is only relegated to the garbage detail. I was very happy that Coach Westphal went to him last night so that he could show his talent in regulation time. He helped us get a nice little lead.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Agreed
I would also like to see plays ran for all of the young talent. It is no surprise that Beno started doing better once PW ran plays/screens to get him open and no surprise that Spencer is doing better now that they are running plays using him.
I would just like to see some plays run for Sergio as that would, IMO, reduce the turnovers. He has to create without set plays most of the time in transition and I think they should have more of a plan. As it was in the second half of the last game the team wouldn’t even match his pace and he ended up by himself with the ball at the other end of the court. They need to have some kind of plan and run it.
Similarly, JT needs to be used better and plays ran to get him open closer to the basket. If you don’t run plays for your players that give them the look or shot they need of course they won’t be performing up to their potential. I really like PW and know he can only do so much so fast, but he really needs to focus on all his players and get them set up better.
agreed
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 2, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
On Donte'
I don’t blame him in any way last night, but has everyone else noticed that he’s been piling up most of his stats in the first 10 minutes of most games and then becoming virtually invisible the rest of the game? I know last night he ‘only’ played 24 minutes but in many recent games where he ended with 30 + the same thing occured.
Is learning to stay involved in all aspects of the game his entire time on the floor just part of the maturation process?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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Yes.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Yep noticed that
Really weird that he comes out so hot, puts up big points… and then nothing. Just weird.
Its been a pattern lately.
The coaches need to notice it as well and run a few plays for him later in games.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
and God forbid
We actually run a play at the end of a game or quarter. The expectation that we are going to excel in one-on-one isolations against good defensive teams is a bit ridiculous.
But PW always says he has a play drawn up
but something always goes wrong and the play never gets run.
I don't see why
a lot of times isolating your best offensive player against their best defender is good offense, especially in a last shot situation. Its worked for us plenty of times this year, its just easier to remember when it doesn’t.
This isn’t aimed at you MichaelMack at all, just a general comment, but people will complain or celebrate the strategy after the fact almost entirely based on whether the play in question worked or not.
I promise you if the Kings worked the ball around and got an open shot for Hawes which he missed, we’d have 100 posts of:
“WTF why is Hawes shooting!?!? We need to have our good offensive players shoot when it matters!?!?!”
and if while they were throwing the ball around on a final shot and there was a turnover, the entire internet would spontaneuosly explode under the weight of the comments.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Feb 2, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
4-3 you got it wrong
The entire Interwebs would spontaneously combust with Kevin Martin hatred and we would all wear flowers in our hair and sing how TS% is the mark of a real god.
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I probably wouldn't have reacted
negatively to the play had it been Tyreke, who has the strength and finishing ability when in traffic and taking contact, which is essential in those situation where you are not going to get a call short of felony assault. You’ve got to put Kevin in a better position to score – and for him that is squaring up to the basket sans contact. I don’t think anybody has a problem with a great shooter getting the last shot. It was the type of shot given that we had so much time.
I just flat out dont like the isolation play
I didnt like it last night, I didnt like it when Tyreke took it either. I certainly would not have minded Spencer taking the shot either. We have talented offensive players, Kevin and Tyreke exceptionally so, I think the coaching staff should be able to draw up a play that involves screens and cuts, especially against a team that was doing an excellent job of defending off the dribble as Denver was last night. I have no concern of the internet exploding, the anti-Kevin remarks from the post game thread last night smacked of ignorance. I want to see the Kings execute a well drawn up play from the coaching staff.
I agree
I hate that play, I don’t care if Labron or Kobe are running it, I hate it at the end of games.
In the middle parts – fine (I guess).
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
Hey Mustang
do you want to catch the game tomorrow night?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Better answer
I am always up for a game. Sometimes my life gets in the way, but tomorrow could work.
Do you still have my number?
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
I saw that as well
It seems like Donte gets benched after the first 10 minutes and doesn’t make another appearance until the 4th quarter or so…I wonder how he would do with some solid and consistent minutes instead of brief stints or long intervals on the bench.
by DirtyDribblers on Feb 2, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
GODAMIT
I really wanted this so bad. WE deserved to win this. Still, I am still proud we were at least putting up a fight on the road.
Sure we could’ve got the 1st pick of the draft, but apparently 1st isn’t always the best. They said that Griffin was the man to have for the 2009 draft. Now where is the pick of the draft? He’s in Sacramento and catching everyone’s eyes. God am I so glad they gave us 4th pick. I love Tyreke and what he’s done. Have fun enjoying your ROTY award Tyreke.
by MexicanSKFan2Death on Feb 2, 2010 2:33 PM PST reply actions
I have a better idea V.
Let’s invent a time machine to make players more mature and championship ready.
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That would be awesome
because they’ll still be on their rookie contracts, but good! The only problem being that you’ll have to kidnap them, because they likely won’t want to come back. Oh, and you’ll probably have to kill their current selves and dispose of the bodies (which, depending on your view of the space-time continuum, might mean their future selves also disappear…).
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Fuckin' Paradoxes I swear. Nothing easy about them.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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I know
because even if you just hide them in an underground cavern somewhere, they’ll never develop and the future selves would suck worse than the current players.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait.
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by iashwash on Feb 2, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Well done.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait.
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UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
A trade proposal
Why not see if we can get Carlos Boozer from Utah and offer him 5yrs for $80 million?
Kevin Martin and J.T. to Utah for Boozer (assuming he will re-sign). Utah then ships K-Mart off to Dallas (who really want him) for Josh Howards expiring contract. We also should try to move Noc for an expiring contract as well. That will free up over $20 million next year to not only re-sign Boozer, but pick up a decent big to back up Spencer. And, since we’re a lottery pick AGAIN, we should focus on a SG who can replace some of what we’ll be losing w/Kevin’s departure. We could draft Xavier Henry or Evan Turner or Wesley Johnson (all of whom can ball). I think we’d be a playoff team with Beno and Sergio at the point, Tyreke at the off guard, Francisco at the 3, and Boozer at PF & Spencer at C. Off the bench we have Donte, Brockman, Casspi, and the rookie pick and a servicible back up big. Pretty good, right? Even if we have to keep Noc, whom I like, we finally are free of K-9’s and Shariff’s $15 million combined.
posting the same thing
in multiple threads won’t win you friends.
Why would we trade assets for Boozer when he’ll be a free agent this summer? Utah is not going to offer him a max deal.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
I'm awhirl with the possibilities
we have a thread for this stuff and yes, people who are interested ( a lot of people) read it and respond to both good and bad ideas.
And really complex ones based on draft picks and position we don’t have yet and trades not involving us.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure that K-mart and J.T. are as big of an asset as Boozer would be. He would have to agree to re-sign here, obviously.
wow are actually supposed to take this trade idea seriously?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
There is no low post presence in Sacto? Why wouldn’t you want a 20 & 10 guy every night? Martin will never be worth more than he is right now. J.T. is a bust, deal with it!
and we are supposed to take it on good faith boozer would resign?
and when did JT become a bust? i must admit i am not very high on him but that was pretty quick
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
lol
apparently 2nd year player in month long slump after putting up all star numbers the first 2 months = bust.
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"All-Star" numbers?
Maybe for the sophomore game, or maybe if he played in the East. I still don’t think Al Horford is having an All-Star season.
JT needs to watch highlights of that first four-game winning streak over and over so he can remember how to play.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 2, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
well let's see
he was at about 17/9 2 months into the season.
That would put him at 9th/7th among PFs this season. You’re right, maybe not all star, but damn good numbers in any case. Enough to make me facepalm when someone calls him a bust.
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JT was never at 17 pts per game
Here’s JT’s game log.
You could certainly find a stretch of some games where he may have been averaging 17 points a game, but his cumulative average from the beginning of the season never got to those levels. He was averaging almost 15.5 points after scoring 22 points in the Milwaukee game Dec. 19, 26 games into the season, and that was probably his high-water mark.
That’s about the point both JT and the team started unraveling. He scored 20 on more in eight of the first 26 games, but hasn’t reached 20 since. He’s average 10.1 in those 21 games.
It’s gotten worse lately as JT has failed to break into double figures in eight of the past 12 games, averaging just 8.3 points per game.
Early in the season, his scoring along with Tyreke’s gave us two steady guys to rely on. Then it was just a matter of getting 50-70 points a game between Nocioni, Beno, Casspi, Donte and Hawes. When we did that, we were competitive.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 3, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
He is not an All Star, dream on! If you want to get an All Star, like Boozer then you have to give talent back. The last time the Kings made the playoffs was when they had Webber, a low post presence. It was just a trade idea, I suppose you’re content to finish last until we have enough draft picks to eventually be good. 3 to 4 years from now? I think we can win and make the playoffs next year with Boozer. J.T. is a crapshoot.
he's in his 2nd year
2 months into the season he was averaging 17/9, which would make him a top 8 NBA PF.
he’s still averaging 13/9, which is about average for an NBA PF.
The thought that he is currently a bust is ludicrous. The difference between Boozer and what JT was doing at the beginning of the year is minimal. I’d rather keep him, not have to pay Boozer a max contract, and give him another year to achieve his potential.
We are not making the playoffs this season. Period, full stop. Boozer or no. 2 years from now, when the team as a whole is really good again, it’s not beyond the pale to think that JT could be outproducing Boozer. Would I bet on it now? no. But boy would we look stupid if we traded him away, and he was putting up 20/10 for Utah for 3M, and Boozer’s doing it for us for 20M, we’re gonna have some serious egg on our faces.
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by Viliphied on Feb 2, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Sometimes one-sided arguments are sad
but sometimes they’re awesome.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 2, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
Boozer is a free agent this summer....
you weren’t worrying about winning a title this year right?
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Boozer?
You mean trade away a young big for a guy who, while being a pretty good player, will almost certainly walk at the end of the season, leaving us with a big ol’ bag of nothing?
That Carlos Boozer?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 2, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
ummmm
yYou realize verbal contracts are not enforced right? You do realize it’s Carlos Boozer right? THE ONE GUY IN THIS LEAGUE WHO BACKED OUT OF A VERBAL DEAL FOR MORE MONEY!!!!
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
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Hahahahahahahahahaha.
Ha.
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You mean,
like the verbal assurance that he gave Cleveland that he would stay in Cleveland if they let him out of his option, followed by his bolting to Utah, a move so slimy, that Boozer’s agent fired him? That kind of verbal deal?
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Hey guys, I have an idea
Let’s trade Kevin Martin for some frontcourt help! What do you guys think? Pretty creative, huh?
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 2, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
Gee, that is a first!
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
If you don't use the reply button
We can’t even tell who you’re insulting.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Then it should have said "Douchebags".
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 2, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"How to Win Friends and Influence People"
by 1 and done
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by Viliphied on Feb 2, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ongoing lineup changes would seem to be a good idea for teams with veteran talent
Unfortunately, subbing inexperienced players with inexperienced players is leading to unpredictable results. Add to this matchup changes, foul issues, second unit rotations and other good reasons to sub and the flow disappears. If PW can’t win games with this crew, he should focus on development.
After reading through a lot of the above comments I surmise that there is a lot of wisdom on this forum that PW could use. My thoughts. Tyreke is not a point guard. Brockman is not a starter. Players need minutes and ball touches to shine. This doesn’t happen when the ball is in Tyreke’s hands. Too much dribbling and one on one. At the end of the game the Kings need to run a new play and forget the one on one heroics. Kevin does not have the ball handling ability and the whole defense is waiting for Tyreke at the end of the game. I would rather have seen a 3 point attempt last night instead of what happened. I also think PW doesn’t have confidence in Hawes because he seems to yanki him out and forgets about him even when he is perforning well. He does this with several players…..
As has been said
Why don’t we give Tyreke a year or so before making any final judgement?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Whether you think Tyreke is a point guard or not
how can you say that he shouldn’t have the ball in his hands? Tyreke’s game is having the ball in his hands. Tyreke’s game is ball. Tyreke is ball. Tyreke. Ball. Ball.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 2, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
How about trying to make the playoffs for a change. Not much basket ball acumen up here, I guess? Keep the same team, expect the same results.
I feel sorry for you
if you ever expected to make the playoffs this year. You’re aware we won 17 games last year right?
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
apparently
a hot start against a pastycake schedule messed with some people’s heads.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
No one is stupid enough to think this team is a playoff team this year, although you were probably hoping when they overachieved to start the year. Don’t feel sorry for me, I (unlike you) have a life.
what?
you’re the one that came in here and started talking about the playoffs and suggesting trading away 2 players on affordable contracts for a guy who’s going to demand a max contract this offseason (who if we really wanted we could just sign this offseason anyways)
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Not this year. No one said that, but with Boozer, why couldn’t they make it next year? They don’t have a low post player who is consistantly good. You misunderstood my message. J.T. may turnout to be good, but Martin is not going to turn into a D up player, nor is he going to stay healthy unless he bulks up.
This is the time to allow the team to grow up as a unit. We have 5 players with star potential (though it is unlikely that all of them will reach their ceilings, their floors are pretty high as well) in their first 3 years. Let them grow. Let them get used to each other. In 2011, when we know what we have with these kids, pick up a big name to fill our biggest hole. Don’t rush in because you’re afraid your 2nd year PF may only be an average starter.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Boozer probably wouldn’t come here in the offseason, this is Sacrament, remember. So you need to lock him up now. It’s all hypothetical, but fun to dream. Anything is better than watching them lose night after night. Sorry if I offended. LOL!
Boozer has shown
he’ll go wherever the money is.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
LOL!
I am pretty sure Nocioni would be traded by now if someone was willing to take his salary. As for the rest of it, pure fantasy. Might be fun, but completely asinine and belongs in the asinine trade thread.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Here's the thing, 1ad
The Kings are rebuilding. They started last year. They were the worst team in the league.
Now they have a new coach and a lot of young players. The team is building for the future. Making the playoffs this year was never in the cards.
We might make it next year. But we won’t get far. The year after that, though…
So stop calling us names and implying we’re stupid for accepting what is an obvious reality.
Even Boozer couldn’t make us into a playoff team this year. Maybe you should just come back around 2012 with all the rest of the fickle fans who will love the Kings again once they’re contenders.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 2, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
It's impossible to know what impact having a star PF starting for us would have.
I’ve been suggesting that the Kings should go after Jamison, but Boozer in a sign & trade deal, works also. The KIngs with Hawes at center and JT at backup, Jamison or Boozer at starting PF, and Brockman plus a top 10 draft pick at backup, Another summer for Tyreke to work on his outside shooting, a healthy Martin, and Beno, Omri, Donte and Cisco, would easily make it into the playoffs. Of course, whether or not the Maloof’s are willing to spend over the salary cap to get there is another story. Plus if we aren’t a contender after this move, finding the player that will take us to the finals, would be hard considering we’d be drafting in the mid to late 20’s after next year and would have any cap space.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
If you trade Martin and his contract, and with Kenny T and Shariff both expiring, that’s $15 million, more than enough for Boozer. If you can move Noc, that’s another $ 7 million in cap space. A new area is still years away, so they need to set the tone and try to win now to gain support for the land swap.
Uh....
Were you aware that SAR took medical retirement and is now a coach? As in, you can’t include him in a trade?
Are you even a Kings fan?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 2, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
He is no Kings fan
Evidenced by his use of “you” in the below sentence. Any true fan would have included themselves in that statement.
although you were probably hoping when they overachieved to start the year.
A sign-and-trade would mean we'd have to give up some of that dream team though, no?
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 2, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Come on, It’s a blog, I’m not serious about the name calling, toughen up. It’s a trade idea to help the kings keep some of the young talent and couple that with a solid vet like Boozer. How quickly we forget how great this team was with Webber and Vlade?
I never said we’d make the playoffs this year, you didn’t read what I said. It’s okay to trade a guy like Martin if you get a Boozer back. Obviously he has to stay, I do trust Petrie, but why settle for a marginal team?
Right.
That whole “obviously he has to stay” thing is where you’ve completely lost all credibility.
Who are you? Boozer’s new agent looking for an easy way to fire your client and hoping he’ll shaft the Kings like he did Cleveland?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 2, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
We'll be lucky to be marginal this year
There is no ability to do more than come to terms with that. We are rebuilding. Period. That is a reality of a very young and inexperienced team who can’t play a consistent 48 minutes. Will it change, yes. This year, no, so why blow all the bucks on a guys who is a creep and probably wouldn’t mesh with the young’uns.
Napear and Mike Lamb have been going after Kevin Martin for that last play of the game
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
He kind of deserves the ridicule this time.
At least on that play. That was kind of weak-sauce.
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by tomroadrunner on Feb 2, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah i actually only saw the highlights
it does seem like it was a god awful play. my only problem is that he seems to be going a bit over board on it. If we keep this doom and gloom dialogue all season, it’s going to be pretty misreable around here.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
rec'd for weak sauce
I love that phrase.
I am probably the biggest Kevin Martin fan on this board, and I was disappointed on that last play. I was disappointed both with him (though I would have jumped up and down if he got a foul call or made the shot) and with the coaching staff, for not being able to draw up a pick and roll with him and Spencer.
Napear went after Martin before the game yesterday.
When asked if the Kings should trade him for a big, he said he thought that was a good idea. But, he added that no one has been on the phone asking about the availability of Martin.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Wow, I missed that barb...
…but I am not surprised, as there is some bad blood between Napear and Martin. I recall Martin reportedly getting upset with Napear over Martin’s injuries and his not playing. (Not referring to this incident with Martin’s wrist. Napear has been very quite on the condition of Martin’s wrist and recovery).
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Grant's an idiot on this
because PW said the last play he called wasn’t run, Grant is putting the blame on Martin.
But i for one did not see a single cutter, a single screen, or one bit of motion from any other player on the floor, so if Martin called the Iso then 4 guys must have agreed with him.
GP is at the UK Ole Miss game scouting
He was asked why he thinks there are so many NBA scouts at the game; he said something to likes of “If your a bank robber you go where the moneys at” classic GP
Cousins anyone?
F#ck Kobe Bryant.
F#ck Shaquille O’Neal
F#ck Phil Jackson
F#ck Rick Fox (twice)
F#ck Sasha Vujacic
F#ck Robert Horry
F#ck Derek Fisher
F#ck Dick Bavetta, Bob Delaney and Ted Bernhardt – I’m still waiting for them to have their jerseys retired at Staples.
F#ck Every Laker fan who comes to Arco Arena, wears his hat sideways and stands up and cheers with his arms out and his back to the floor whenever Kobe scores a basket.
Oh, and F#ck Jack Nicholson, Dyan Cannon, and that silver haired douchebag wearing the snakeskin boots.
Who’d I miss?
You gotta scout him
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
GP scouted Rubio live in Spain too.
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Though in retrospect he probably just went for the free trip to Spain and the paella
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 2, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
Just win more than 17 games and I'm happy
At the beginning of the year I thought 22 wins was reasonable and I will stick to that. I would obviously like to see more than 22, but any improvement is something to build upon for next year.
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The scary thing is, this isn't even the most non-sensical comment in this thread.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 3, 2010 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
Done.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
It's the close games that are a tell tell of a teams potential
Our kings of old used to win these battles with the clutch performances of our heralded Sacramentian legends. I would love to see a comparison between say the 2002 squad and the present squad in terms of games won/lost by 4 points or less. I think one more year of development will contribute immensely to bridging this gap.
Sounds like a great idea...
Why don’t you do it?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
i wouldn't blame the close losses here
how many games have we blownout the opposing team? Seems like we lose a lot of close ones but we seem to really be losing a ton of blowout losses as well.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Part of this is going to be a part of the growth curve.
You are comparing apples (contending calibre 2002 squad) to oranges (young and relatively inexperienced squad). With a young new team, one would expect to see a progression over time comparing wins and losses. At first there would be more losses than wins. Over time if the team is progressing, then you would expect to see that win-loss gap narrowing until there begins to be more wins. (The Kings competition this season was considered light at the beginning of the season, consequently this expected progression didn’t pan out. So the Kings ended up getting more wins early in the season than would be expected. One entire season has to be compared with another. )
As to the closeness of the games, there would be an expected similar progression. Over time the games, on average,would become closer and closer in scores. At first, the young team may have some blow-out losses, but with time and experience, you would expect the scores to get closer. Before you start winning and closing out games, there is going to be a period of frustrating close losses.
The last two minutes of closing out a game seems to be almost a game within a game. There tends to be a lot of time outs in that period and special plays drawn up by the coach. It is crunch time with high adrenaline. Again, it would be expected that with time and experience a team will learn the special skills and manage the emotional intensity to close out close games at the end of the game.
Basically, this team is young and relatively inexperienced. They are going to go through the progression of closing the gap on scores and improving their ability to close out games. The 2002 squad certainly had a lot more experience playing together against all of the NBA teams.
Your conclusion of “one more year of development will contribute immensely to bridging this gap” will help in this regard. However, at this point in their development it is too early to make a direct comparison between our young team’s ability to close out games with veteran teams’ ability to close out games, from which to make a future projection. Not closing out games against contending veterans, does not predict their potential to close them out in the future. If anything, getting experience playing these contending teams will give our guys the necessary experience they will need to beat these teams in the future.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
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