Not so Asinine trades
by haze0945 on Feb 2, 2010 9:05 AM PST
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PrintIf any deal is to be done before the trade deadline this season, one of these players are likely can possibly end up here with the kings. No Kmart or JT trades here, all trades involve K9, Noc, HA, & May.
SAC-GS
Kings Get - Andres Biedrins, Speedy Claxton
GS Gets - Nocioni, K9, 2010 pick
Reke-Kmart-Greene-Hawes-Bedrins
SAC-NO
Kings Get - Okafor, Songaila
NO Gets - K9, Nocioni, May, 2010 pick
Reke-Kmart-Greene-Hawes-Okafor
SAC-LAC
Kings Get - Camby
LAC Gets - Nocioni, 2011 pick
Reke-Kmart-Greene-Hawes-Camby
SAC-CHI
Kings Get - Tyrus Thomas, Jerome James
CHI Gets - Nocioni, HA, 2010 pick
Reke-Kmart-Greene-TT-Hawes
SAC-CHA
Kings Get- Tyson Chandler
CHI Gets- K9, HA, 2011 pick
Reke-Kmart-Greene-Hawes-Chandler
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i voted "other"
simply because there was a “none” category. frankly none of those trades will improve this team. dealing a bag of crap to get a bag of crap in return won’t help this team. either a blockbuster trade of k-mart for someone or no trade at all and take your chances in the free agent market and draft would be the way to go in my opinion. trading noc right now isn’t the answer. neither is dealing hawes or greene. both hawes and greene can be solid role players for this team. however, there isn’t that “go-to” low post guy. tyreke is that guy when healthy. martin certainly isn’t that guy. but i fear we are “stuck” with martin.
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Wow, your standards must be extremely high
None? Not even Biedrins? Like I’ve been saying for the past month…who do you guys want? Yao Ming?
More Asinine than the Asinine thread
there’s a thread for this.
Why is a rebuilding team dealing away draft picks for established, and generally at least full priced, role players?
We need more good players, preferably inexpensive ones to save cap ammo for free agents / trades. The best way to get good, inexpensive players is draft picks.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Feb 2, 2010 9:32 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Agreed...shook my head while reading this
This was extra Asinine…
by getPGwithbounce on Feb 3, 2010 1:09 AM PST up reply actions
Question
Are those picks you are passing out like candy 1st rounders? If so, not one of those is remotely acceptable.
Not just first rounders
Mid-lottery first rounders (without accounting for possible luck to push us into top 3)
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What kings need to be a playoff team.
The only thing stopping us is turnovers and the lack of a low-post presence. Now who in this draft can come out and have a greater impact on this team, than a guy like Okafor can? And adding more rookie bigmen isn’t going to exactly cure our turnover woes either. Offensively our team is set, all we need is that one guy to anchor the post, and no draft pick in the next two years is going to do that.
KINGS WILL BE 09-10 CHAMPIONS
Petrie isn't trying to make a playoff team this year
He’s trying to build a contender for the next 10 years. You don’t give up #1’s at this point in that process.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Feb 2, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The other part of that is the players on this team are still very young and many have shown themselves to be rotation players
Franchise players tend to show themselves as franchise players nearly right away, and the best talents in the league offer glimpses almost always right away.
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by pookeyguru on Feb 2, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Kings have enough young talent
What they lack is a physical inside presence and some veteran leadership.
Sorry but those are two major "ifs" that are not that easy to fix. I would also argue our defense in the backcourt and our shooting (not True Shooting Percentage but actual shooting) are another issues.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 2, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
You do realize Wally that TS% is made up of FT's, FG% and 3 PG%?
So, TS% is the very nature of shooting.
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yes i do
I am just concerned with the FG% and 3 PG% part of it. When our offense gets bogged down it seems like we can’t make many of our jump shots. Granted, alot of what I am saying is based on recent play, but I don’t know if we are really as good as we were at the beginning of the year either. I am not that worried about Kevin Martin and Beno in the long run, but I am not sure if Casspi is really as good of a shooter as he has come off as so far. I don’t remember him advertised as a 3 point shooter.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Well David Thorpe did say in a conversation with Sam Amick that he thought Casspi could shoot 40% from 3.
Which is just about where Omri is now.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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I like Biedrins best of all the options
But I agree that giving up a lottery pick is too much.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 2, 2010 10:16 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
Biedrins would be fine, but I wouldn’t give up a lottery pick for any of them. The Kings have an extremely young core – no need to tie the club down to an older, limited, expensive player at this point. Once the team improves, then you can go get a player with a specific skill set to fill a hole, but why settle now?
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
Very much agree
I would love to have Biedrins added to the rotation. He is young and tough, and a better defender and rebounder than either Thompson or Hawes, and he could play with either on the floor.
But there is no way the Warriors give him up for less than a lottery pick, and there is no way we should give that pick up to get him.
I would consider, however, offering Hawes or Thompson to the Warriors if it was possible to use Martin in a trade for someone like Al Jefferson. Biedrins, Big Al, Casspi, Tyreke. I could live with that.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
Al Jefferson
has “led” his team to a 22.4% winning percentage, and that’s after current two game win streak! ’Nuff said.
Let me try this again.
We could get rid of Noc & K9 and get Biedrins in return, instead you’ll rather keep players that just take up room & money and use the pick on a guy like Greg Monroe (Who we may not even get).
Look at it this way:
If any of the guys I mentioned were coming out in this years draft, you wouldn’t pick them over the bigs that are really coming out this year.
KINGS WILL BE 09-10 CHAMPIONS
I think you need to change your sig line.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 2, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
lol
how did i not see that?
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 2, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
There is no way in the world the Biedrins or Camby trades would ever be accepted by GS/LAC
The Okafor and Thomas trades seem extremely unlikely, maybe not “no shot on earth” but neither will happen. The Chandler trade is not good for us. Its not like teams are lining up to give us good young centers or extremely valuable assets (Camby) for our crap. That is why you hold onto the picks.
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-Chris Rock
yup yup
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 2, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I would say Beno but NOT Noc
Beno is an asset, Noc is an albatross.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
Ha, how things can change over 40 games
Beno might not be the albatross he was last year, but I still wouldn’t call him an asset.
Yeah, I was thinking that as I typed...
Either way, I think he is more of an asset then Noc. And if a team were negotiating with us I think they would rather take Beno then Noc.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
I disagree
I think Beno has one of the hardest to move contracts in the league. Neither of them are assets though, because its likely you couldn’t get rid of either of them for expiring contracts, which is pretty much the definition on 0 value.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Paul Pierce just went down with a foot injury
While it may not be long term, the more injuries the Celtics accumulate, the more likely they are to make a bit of a desperate move. That’s where Noce comes in…. hopefully
The future begins now...
and now i will cross my fingers for 3 weeks straight
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Its just a sprain
He is day-to-day, and will likely be back on Wednesday.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
Yes, not long term
But i’m sure so many injuries (small or not) to their guys is taking a toll on them. They may just fell like they NEED to make a move just in case
The future begins now...
They both make roughly the same amount, only difference is Beno's last year is a player optio, Noc's is a team option
I would think a team would rather have 3 1/2 years of a player who has been playing well who they think can help them in a position that is hard to fill, then 3 1/2 years of a player who has not been playing well at possibly one of the easiest positions to fill.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
Trading our 2010 pick (protected or not)
belongs in asanine trade thread. Kings are tied for 5th worst record in the league now. That pick gets more valuable with each loss.
Can you propose a not-so-asinine trade...
for Marcin Gortat? He has to be on our radar, IMO.
It’s hard to get trades to work with BYC player, but this deal works.
TO SAC
Marcin Gortat
Brandon Bass
Adonal Foyle
TO ORL
Jason Thompson
Nocionni
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yks8oez
Asanine or not-so?
Maybe not
I hate to give up on JT but i’ve always liked Bass and I feel like Gortat can be very good if given opportunities. Also getting rid of Noc would be an added bonus. Not sure whether Orlando would do this though.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
i think asanine, but at least it didn't make my eyes bleed
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 2, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
I guess the bar has to be set somewhere.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 2, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
This belongs in a museum!
or the ATT.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 2, 2010 1:13 PM PST reply actions
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
(Just ignore this.)
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It's funny to me that
the teams we are trying to model ourselves after felt it was important to have a defensive minded VETERAN center. Portland locked up Prizbilla at a time when they were trying to blow up the team & go young. The Thunder tried to get Tyson Chandler & would have had he been healthy. So why are so many fans on this site so against it?
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Feb 2, 2010 3:11 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Think about what you just said
Portland and OKC tried to get defensive centers by giving up nothing but a fair contract. They didn’t trade away #1’s for their defensive center.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
I'm sorry for not clarifying
I don’t really agree with the writers trades. I don’t want to give up 1st round picks. I’m just a little more open to trading K9(cap space) which is what Portland did by signing Prizbilla & what OKC was willing to do. I don’t see us landing anyone significant in 2010. Haywood is going to a contender. The player who I want the most that gives us a young, defensive, athletic player is Tyrus Thomas. So if GP to wait & make a run at him in free agency I’m all for it. I’m just not totally against getting a player like Dalembert or Okafor if all we have to give up is K9
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Feb 2, 2010 4:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think you'd find
a lot of people would be onboard with trading K9EC for Tyrus Thomas.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
That would only happen if we take back Hinrich
Noce + K9 for TT & Hinrich I would do.
I love beating dead horses.
Figure a way to move Hinrich or Beno
on the back end and there may be a deal there.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Feb 2, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Think about this, Without Prizbilla or Oden, Porland is still winning!
And, we lost more games recently, because of the opposing teams PF than because of our lack of a defensive center. I’d rather get a starting PF who can defend that position.
Having said that, Haywood is a defensive center, who makes MLE type money and is an UFA this summer.
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Tyrus Thomas?
I really don’t have an answer why Portland is still winning. Maybe because the team was so used to winning they weren’t going to quit because a few players went down. Similar to the Rockets lasr year. It lit a fire under the players. Something this team needs. I don’t know how we are going to get it. Maybe through a trade. That’s why we are all here.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Feb 2, 2010 4:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Why is everyone bringing up the picks in these trades? (pay attention)
I never said 1st rounder, I either said 2010 or 2011. Now for Biedrins & Okafor, I feel that if we did have to give up a lottery pick, then they would be worth it. There is no one in this draft that we are going to get that will come close to Biedrins & Okafor. Tyrus Thomas I feel we should be able to get without a pick and at the least, our 2nd pick (2010). As for Camby & Chandler, who gives up a top 10 pick for Old & Busted? Notice the 2011 beside their trades.
Also, for those who keep saying lets build through the draft, who are we going to get, & how much more building are we going to do.
Its not like we have a bad team.
Reke-Beno
Kmart-Cisco
Greene-Casspi
Hawes-Brockman
(Biedrins) or (Okafor)-Thompson
Looks O.K 2 Me
KINGS WILL BE 09-10 CHAMPIONS
There is no one in this draft that we are going to get that will come close to Biedrins & Okafor.
And you know this because you can see the future?
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Well, we've got a while. And right now we do have a bad team unfortunately.
We’re probably going to win around 25 games or so this season. That’s still bad.
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by tomroadrunner on Feb 3, 2010 6:23 AM PST up reply actions
I should've prefaced that by saying that I believe the Kings are very
promising. Just not good.
Yet.
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Feb 3, 2010 6:24 AM PST up reply actions
...or not-so-good, but promising
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
What he said
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
But then there wouldn't be room for all the cool pics
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Feb 2, 2010 4:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not trading my pick
I’s much rather have a young big man from this years draft than any of these guys
Not trading my pick
I’s much rather have a young big man from this years draft than any of these guys
Not trading my pick either
I just hope we can get a big man in this draft that doesn’t take 3-4 years to develop.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Feb 2, 2010 6:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That would be unusual
Its likely this team is 3-4 years from peaking at least, barring extraordinary good fortune. Its going to take time, its better to relax your expectations now and enjoy the ups and downs than to get worked up now.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
OKC was only a few games better than us last season
and now they are playoff bound. What makes you think we are so far away? Durant is great, Green is ok IMO, & Westbrook is pretty good, Sefalosha is very good at what he does & that is being a defensive roll player. Everyone else is bleh. I know they are better than us obviously. I just don’t think we are 3 years away from being good. With the right moves & another good draft we can be in the playoffs next year.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Feb 2, 2010 8:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I looked at this in my rebuilding post
Just in case here it is
The worst record for the Zombie Sonics was in 07-08, with Durant and Green in their first year. Their record was 20-62 second worst in the league.
They got Westbrook next and only won 3 more games the following season.
They drafted Harden this year and they are now finally in playoff contention.
If you want to equate Durant to Reke, KD will (maybe) make the playoffs in his 3rd year. Reke is obviously barely in his first year. OKC has 3 top 5 picks in their roster, the Kings have one (Reke).
If the question is how come they are there already? The answer is that they began rebuilding earlier and 3 years removed from their worst season, the young core is finally paying dividends. The Kings barely got their “Durant.”
It’s going to take a while.
The future begins now...
I understand it will take some time
but besides KD I really don’t see any other great players on that team. I actually like Memphis roster a little better top to bottom. Do you think it was wise to add a veteran PF in Z-bo? I thought it was “another bad move” by memphis but it actually paid off. Imagine that? Taking a chance on a veteran big paid off. hmm…….interesting.
I love beating dead horses.
OKC
(going off memory here)
Has had a #2 pick (Durant), a #4? (Westbrook), and a #5 or #6 (Green) that they got via trading Ray Allen and a #3 (Harden) .
We’ve had one top 5 pick. We need at least one more high pick, probably two, before we start building expectations.
Memphis also has a pile of high #1’s on their roster. We’re a lot further back in the rebuilding timeline. If you want to be real good you have to be patient. If you want a quick fix, so maybe we can get the 8th seed half the time and never legitimately contend, by all means start bringing in veterans.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
by ForThree on Feb 3, 2010 5:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
One of my points ForThree
was I understand OKC had a lot of high picks but I think the only great player they pulled from it was KD & possibly Westbrook in the future. So what makes everyone think the draft is going to net us all these great players? Portland got Roy & a bunch of young decent players. I’m not a big believer in Aldridge I think he is soft.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Feb 3, 2010 12:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
For the record
I think both Westbrook and Alridge are better than any of our young guys (except Reke of course) right now.
Don’t forget Green, Harden, Sefolosha,Outlaw, Webster. Batum, Rudy, even Oden. I don’t think too many of our guys are significantly better than some of those guys.
The future begins now...
I really didn't forget any of them
I’m just not a huge fan of them. I’m not saying they aren’t good just that the NBA is FULL of players like them.
I love beating dead horses.
The grass is always greener ed
The problem I have is our players make a lot more money than those players for similar roles. Green=JT, Harden=Cisco, Sefalosha=Udoka, Outlaw/Batum/Rudy=Casspi, Oden=May/K9/or any other guy who never plays. Of course you can argue about some of my comparisons but they aren’t that far off.
I love beating dead horses.
Money is a big part
but I also think it comes down to time and development. A lot of those players have been in the league just a bit longer than some of our guys so that’s why they are better. I guess it’s just a matter of what you see our guys becoming and what their ceilings are (and if they’ll reach it).
I definitely see where you’re coming from.
The future begins now...
That's a good point albenji
and I was actually thinking about Memphis the other day. Like 4-3 says, they are further along in the rebuilding process so the timing of both situations is a bit tricky. I mean, Memphis has been picking in the top 10 in the draft for who knows how many years now, and just now they’re able to do something. This is all because of young players development (takes time) and incompetence in their FO to speed up the process.
My other point would be, so what does Memphis really has? Is a core of Mayo, Gay, Z-Bo, and Gasol, championship contenders? Yes, they are good for the 8th or 7th seed, but what happens after that? Gay is up for an extension this summer, Z-Bo is always an enigma, and they have no bench, unlesss you count the likes of Jamal Tinsley, DeMare Carrol, and Thabeet (who’s a couple years away).
You may see Memphis winning some games right now, but do you honestly see them contending for a championship by just adding one or two more pieces? I certainly don’t.
Unfortunately, we’re also talking about the organization that brought Allen Iverson to just sell more tickets and ended up waiving him after a couple months. I don’t think it’s a good comparison.
The future begins now...
couldn't agree more
I like our situation just as much as the situation Memphis is in. We have a core of Tyreke, Casspi, Thompson, Hawes, and Martin (wow kinda sad but i almost forgot Martin) and no i do not consider them champtionship contenters either.
I notice though that people mention Memphis because they got Zach Randoph this offseason and use it as an arguement for going out and getting Boozer or Amare; however, to equate what Memphis did to acquire Randolph with us getting Boozer or Amare is bunk. Zach’s contract is gone after next season. They took a risk but a short term risk and gave up NOTHING in their core.
It would be absurd to trade one of our core players, or draft picks, for any of the big men that have been rumored to be available. It would simply be a 35 game rental and we would have nothing left to show for it after that.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 3, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
I also like the 'potential' of our core more
Tyreke looks to be a possible SuperStar, Casspi and Eeee both have a chance to be All-Stars, Kevin, barring more injuries would probably be an All-Star reserve forever. The Upside of Hawes and JT ( Hawes is back in the front position in my mind) is still to be determined but IMO they can be at least significant role players on a playoff team. And then there is the Brockness.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
yeah you definitely have a point that i painfully ignored
I don’t see anyone on Memphis who has the superstar potential of Tyreke. Don’t get me wrong, I do like Mayo, but he is not the same.
By the way, how incredible is it that Memphis passed on Tyreke. I guess it’s a bit of revisionist history, but I would think they would have had a good idea of what kind of player he was, being that he’s from frickin Memphis.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 3, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Mayo might be an All-Star at some point
he looks really good right now. But more than that? I don’t see it. M Gasol and Gay as All-Stars? I doubt that.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
I can see M.Gasol as a potential all star
Center could be a little thin out west if Yao and Oden remain injured. He’s right there with Bynum, Nene and Kaman (I consider Duncan a PF).
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If Spencer takes those flashes of brilliance
and plays like that consistently, he could and should be an All-Star center.
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I believe this too
But he would have to be paired with an athletic, defensive, Low post PF to complement his talent & hide his weaknesses. Someone like(read my sig) Tyrus Thomas.
I love beating dead horses.
If you read this site a lot
You know I’m a big fan of the Kings acquiring Tyrus Thomas. So is pookey.
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I don't have opinions.
I just beat the living shit out of dead horses.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
I agree with you Ed about Memphis not being a championship
now or in the future. But does our young core look any more like a possible championship contender? I think Hawes, Tyreke, Dante, & maybe KM is nice with Casspi & JT coming off the bench. Everyone else is going to have to be replaced. One thing we have on Memphis is a possible superstar. Memphis does not have that. I think Spencer still has upside he just isn’t used right. I am not down on JT I always believed his cielling was Joe Smith or Drew Gooden. As much as I have pushed for an Amare or Boozer now that I think about it that would be bad to pair up with Spence. That is why I think the perfect player for us is……wait for it……………………Tyrus Thomas! Didn’t see that one coming did you! He compliments Spence more than he does Noah.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Feb 3, 2010 12:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Definitely
I don’t think what we have is enough. We need 2 more things in my opinion: More talent and time for development. Memphis kinda ‘went for it’ with Z-Bo but down the road they are not going to be better. They may be stuck on the 8th, 7th seed range with no lottery picks.
The Kings will be bad to decent for a couple more years so we’ll get at least another lottery pick and the chance to add some young veterans. And this is where someone like TT comes in. You’ll see that many agree he could be an answer. Even then though, this team just needs more time.
The future begins now...
and Zo-Bo is only there for 2 years and they didn't have to trade anything of value for him
so it’s not exactly like they gambled much for him
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
OKC is in the playoffs this year
Because they’ve been focusing on defense and execution. Scott Brooks deserves a lot of credit.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
and because...
they’ve had 4 Top 10 picks, one of which has become a bona-fide star.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Another 2 of which are very very good.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
Would anyone be opposed to Chandler
if He was healthy & it rid us of Nocioni & Beno? LB has proven he is not opposed to taking back bad contract if it makes his team better. I think Beno & Noce does that. It ads 2 good rotation players to back up GW & Felton.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Feb 3, 2010 12:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
i think Bobcats would have a problem with that
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
the kings
seriously need to take the initiative and begin serious trading[talks]. the team needs a boost, and waiting till the deadline will only put more pressure on the organization to make a successful trade. and i hope hope hope (3 times) that it isnt another salary dump like the past two seasons, they made the team worse. that happens sometimes with dump trades, but still. all of that open cap space will go for naught if we dont make progress this season and show those upcoming big free agents that their is some logic in coming to sacramento.
I do not think we need a boost.
I would like to see a move, but not for activity’s sake. I want long-term solutions. I think the Kings have shown enough to placate the short-term.
I agree with this
all of that open cap space will go for naught if we dont make progress this season and show those upcoming big free agents that their is some logic in coming to sacramento.
I love beating dead horses.
But
I wouldn’t mind a salary dump if it rid us of Noce & maybe Beno. Mainly because it would free up money to get(read my sig) Tyrus Thomas.
I love beating dead horses.
Trade deadline is nearly hear..........
And I’ll be accepting all apologies when one of my trades come through.
Continue to argue all you’d like.
KINGS WILL BE 09-10 CHAMPIONS
let me tell yoy why these trades are asine
SAC-GS
Kings Get – Andres Biedrins, Speedy Claxton
GS Gets – Nocioni, K9, 2010 pick
Warriors don’t want Nocioni they have Maggette. Biedrins is their center for the future and why get K9’s expiring if no free agent will play in GS
Reke-Kmart-Greene-Hawes-Bedrins
SAC-NO
Kings Get – Okafor, Songaila
NO Gets – K9, Nocioni, May, 2010 pick
tell me who will be New Orleans starting center: Aaron Gray…. Hell No!
A more realistic trade is Spencer Hawes and Nocioni for Okafor and a second round pick.
Reke-Kmart-Greene-Hawes-Okafor and why would you start Hawes and Okafor. Why put Hawes in front of Thompson
Reke-Kmart-Omri Casspi-Jason Thompson-Okafor
SAC-LAC
Kings Get – Camby
LAC Gets – Nocioni, 2011 pick why would you want Camby he is 37. Why trade for a 37 year old when you are a rebuilding team. Who will replace him Craig Smith? NO
Why give them a pick too
Reke-Kmart-Greene-Hawes-Camby again why play two centers when Kings have JT
SAC-CHI
Kings Get – Tyrus Thomas, Jerome James
CHI Gets – Nocioni, HA, 2010 pick
The Kings can sign Tyrus Thomas in the offseason. Also why would we give up a first pick to get him and Chicago would never do this. They won’t take Nocioni 7.5 million contract.
Reke-Kmart-Greene-TT-Hawes
SAC-CHA
Kings Get- Tyson Chandler
CHI Gets- K9, HA, 2011 pick
Why trade for him. he sucks balls and why give them a pick and expirings for him
I am sorrry for busting your balls man, but come on this is really asine. An actual good trade would be Spencer Hawes and Nocioni for Okafor
Reke-Kmart-Greene-Hawes-Chandler
You must not be hearing any trade talk going around in the NBA
All these Guys are on the market, and most have already been rumored to be traded here. And I never said 1st round picks, only 2010 or 2011. (Pay Attention)
KINGS WILL BE 09-10 CHAMPIONS
When you mention picks
Without specifying that they’re second rounders, the assumption is that they’re not.
Don’t jump everyone’s butts for assuming something that you didn’t clarify.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 4, 2010 6:59 AM PST up reply actions
Trade Idea
Kings receive Kendrick Perkins, Eric Gordon, Blake Griffin, Ricky Davis(expiring contract)
Clippers receive Ray Allen, Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, King’s 2010 1st round pick
Boston receives Marcus Camby, Kevin Martin, Andres Nocioni
Asinine Trade Thread.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 8, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
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