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Preview: Kings at Suns

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THE SCOUTING REPORT

Ladies and gentlemen, HighTops:

While early in the season the Sun’s where able to compile 21-12 record, since Jan 1st their record has been a modest 12-11.   And, their record at home has only been 6-5 after starting off the season with a blistering 13-2 home record. So, it is somewhat surprising that the Sun’s let the trade deadline pass, and choose not to participate.   

Through 7 games this month they are scoring a season low 103.9 ppg on 48.3% from the field and 31.6% from 3pt range.   Still it was good enough to defeat NOH, DEN, SAC, and MEM on the road and ATL at home.   Their two losses came against POR at home and Dallas on the road.

Part of the problem has been with Steve Nash’s health, to the point that Nash was given Saturday's practice off to rest because of abdominal and back pain.   In the last 5 games Nash has shot 38% from the field and 32% from 3pt range, which is far below his season averages of 51% and 42%.   His PPG dropped from a seasonal average of 17.7 ppg to 11 ppg, while he was able to maintain his average of 11 assists per game.   Amare continues to play like someone looking to earn a max contract at the end of the season.   In February he’s averaging 24.6 pts and 11.3 rebs on 53.7% shooting and he’s upped his blocks to 1.3 per game.   Brook Lopez is also been performing well, since he moved into the starting role 15 games ago.   His numbers for Feb. are the highest of the season, 13.0 ppg, 7.0 rpg on 56% shooting up from the seasonal average of 7.8/4.3.   He’s also getting to the FT line at a high rate (1 FT per 6 FGA’s) and he’s hitting his FT’s 77%.  Jason Richardson has been consistent all season and continued that trend in February with 14.6 pts and 5.3 rebs on 47.7% shooting but only 25% from 3pt range.   Grant Hill is Grant Hill, and while his numbers are down this month 10/2.7 he still knows how to score, he’s shooting 56% field and 37.5% from 3pt range.

The Bench:

Channing Frye’s number have dropped off since losing his starting job to Lopez, this month 8.7pts and 3.7 rebs on 40.7% shoot, and his blocks are down to .3 per game.   Jared Dudley a 6-7 225 lb 2nd year Forward sees the most minutes off the bench 24.5 per game.  He can be counted on to contribute 9.6 pts and 3.4 rebs on 46% shooting.   Lou Amundson a 6-9 240 lb 3rd year Forward give the Suns a solid 4pts and 4.7 rebs in 14 mpg along with 1 blk per game.  Goran Dragic a 6-3 190 lb Guard gets about 17 mpg backing up Nash.   And, while his PPG 6.9 and APG 2.4 aren’t Nash like his 91.7% shooting from the FT line is.

Earl Clark has only seen action in 37 games and averages only about 8 mpg, mostly because of his 36% FG shooting and 1.2 rebounds per game, Jaron Collins has only seen action in 17 games, and Taylor Griffin (the other Griffin brother) has seen action in only 2 games this season.

This is the 4th and final meeting with the Suns this season, and the Sun have won all 3 previous games by an average of 8 pts per game.  In our last meeting Feb. 5th in Sacramento Donte and Amare battled to a draw.   Donte led all players with a career-high 31 points and Amare scored 30 for the Suns.   It wasn’t the typical fast paced game you’d expect, as the two teams combined for 58 personal fouls (Phoenix 30, Sacramento 28) and 79 trips to the free throw line (Sacramento 40, Phoenix 39).

The big change since the last game is the addition of Carl Landry to the Kings frontcourt.   While Landry was with the Rockets they played the Suns 2 times.   On Nov. 17th, Carl scored 27 pts off the bench in 30 minute of play on 13-19 shooting with 9 rebounds.   On Jan. 6th, Carl scored 31 pts on 14-23 shots with 10 rebounds, in 34 minutes again coming off the bench.   Of course, the Kings aren’t in the same caliber as Houston, so it’s still to be determined if Landry can perform at the same level with his new team.

The downside of the trades that brought Carl to the Kings, is that we traded away 2 guards and received none in return, leaving us with only 2 true guards.   Also, Tyreke is leading the team in minutes played at 37 mpg, in this his rookie season, and is definitely showing signs of fatigue.   This and his slashing attack the rim offense, plus the fact that teams are preparing defenses to stop him, can’t be good for our overall offense through the remainder of the season.

PW continues to experiment with his line-ups.   We saw Cisco and Landry start against the Clippers, and even saw Joey Dorsey in the 2nd quarter, and in fact, all 12 players saw some playing time against the Clips.   So, I can’t hazard to guess whether PW starts Donte or Landry at PF, or Spencer or JT at center.   Although the way the defense has performed in the 2nd quarters of the GSW & LAC games, the offense is probably the least of our worries.

The Kings last 4 road games were against opponents with an average winning percentage of .314 and the Kings who are at .327 came away with a 2-2 record.   Against the other 5 teams they played this month who had a winning percentage of .500 or better, the Kings were 0-5.   Phoenix has a percentage of .589, so the likely hood of a win is slim.   Still, it will be interesting to see if Carl can match the success he had against the Suns while he was with Houston.   And, if Nash is unable to play, this could be an opportunity to steal one, but either way the Sun / Kings games are always fun to watch.

THE KEY BATTLE

Amar'e Stoudemire vs. Carl Landry. As HighTops noted, Landry has owned the Suns this season. The dynamic is certainly different now, and Stoudemire typically manhandles the Kings (non-Brockman edition). But Landry is the best candidate since Webber to match Stoudemire point-for-point in the frontcourt.

BOLD PROCLAMATION

Omri Casspi will take more stepback jumpers than the sum of Joey Dorsey's three-point attempts and Beno Udrih's blocked shots.

DETAILS

5 PM PT start in the Valley of the Sun. Just one game thread (5), with a post-gamer at 7:45.

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I totally agree about Landry off the bench.

Obviously, Landry is a very talented scorer but his game looks like it would work much better as the bench, post version of Tyreke Evans right now. With the rebounding deficiencies of both Landry and Hawes, Thompson is the perfect starter at either the PF or C. The combo of Landry and Evans really seem to clog the lane.

I understand the idea behind starting Garcia, I just don’t think he is physically ready for the task. I like a line-up of Hawes, Thompson, Donté, Omri and Reke. This line-up should be effective against the Suns in particular with the front lines ability to switch and cover multiple positions. I want Garcia to be back and playing to his 2009 form but that is probably going to take three or four more weeks. I really don’t understand starting two new players with two rookies and Thompson, who had been coming off the bench and is now moving positions. I’m hoping the conversion of Thompson to perimeter shooter is short lived. I think it is way too early to give up on him as a post scorer, even with the superior post prowess of both Landry and Hawes.

I want to see continuity from here on out so this team can grow together. In a perfect world I would prefer Beno start with Donté coming off the bench, but I understand the lack of back court depth at this time just like the lack of front court depth the first 50 games of the season.

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by jjham15 on Feb 21, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you ready to give up on Landry as a starter?

Though I have my doubts he’s a final solution I do think he’s the best PF we have. Deciding after one game that we traded KM for a good bench guy is more than depressing.

I was on board with the consensus that its way too early to think of starting Cisco at SG both before and after last nights game.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 21, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Deciding after one game that we traded KM for a good bench guy is more than depressing.

agreed.. I think Landry just needs some time to adjust, Not only is he on a new team with new players and plays, But he’s now starting. Thats a lot of changes.. Im going to give him a break like I did Kevin after his return

by chenp22 on Feb 21, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

PW hasn't taught the players he's had all year how the defense works,

how was Landry suppose to pick it up in one practice. We need to give him time to play with the team before we throw him to the wolfs. Besides, post defense was supposed to be our need, and he can score in 30 minutes off the bench just as well as he can starting.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Feb 21, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

You can't teach an iguana to grow zebra stripes just because you want the iguana to have striples. Just sayin' HT....

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

And if I were to argue the point of whether PW teaches defense....

….how many people at StR or elsewhere outside of PW’s staff saw Donte as a defensive stopper?

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It wasn't a shot at PW,

he’s said many times in his post game comments how the defense of even his veterans has broken down. I’m just commenting on how it is unfair to Landry to put him in that kind of situation.

Also, I don’t know about iguana’s , but by cameleon looks great next to my pin striped suit.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Feb 21, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Every coach in the L will tell you Ht that you have to play to your roster strengths. And do as much as you can to hide the weaknesses of those same players.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not giving up on Landry...

I just think that the Rockets know and understand what Landry is and isn’t better than anyone and he came off the bench for them. The Kings traded Kevin Martin for a myriad of reasons. Compounding that decision with another decision to start a guy who is undersized and a poor rebounder because you want to sell him as “what we got for Martin” seems pretty short sided. I want Landry to succeed. To succeed, I think he should play a role he is familiar with which is off the bench.

I look at Landry in the same light as I did Corliss Williamson. For portions of a game he is going to dominate offensively for the Kings but he has a few weaknesses which keep him from being a frontline NBA starting power forward. A very nice player? Yes. The long term answer for the Kings at the starting power forward shot? No way.

With either their lottery pick or their 20 million in capspace, the Kings will rectify either the PF or C position. For my money, I want to see the combo of Thompson and Hawes play serious minutes together to see if they are they are the future or not because I already know that Carl Landry will be the first post guy off the bench .

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Feb 21, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Then the trade makes no sense to me.

I would much rather have taken a shot for TT as a true possible answer rather than stocking up on bench players. I’m not convinced the cap space will be used in the summer.
I actually do think Landry has a chance to be a somewhat tougher version of Boozer. I’m not convinced of it – but he has a chance.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 21, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

In many respects I'd rather have Landry than TT.

i still think the Kings have to be absolutely hot to trot to acquire Derrick Favors in the draft.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Favors..

or evan turner. That would be a great starting backcourt!

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

In what respects, based on what?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 21, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

besides potential..

they are both great players. They can make plays for themselves, as well as others. A lot of guys that are on are rosters need others to make plays for them.

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

20pts 9 reb 6 assist AVG

Those are some crazy numbers fr a guy in college. The reason I like him so much is that he is an aggressive, good defensive player. I would rather hav him then Jon Wall.

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a stretch.

Wall is a star, Favors may be a star but Wall IS a star. You don’t pass up on a guy like this because of need.

Dream scenario for you Favor folks-
Kings #1 pick, New Jersey #2- Kings deal #1 for #2 and Devan Harris. Kings don’t even have to mess around with FA.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Feb 21, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

There have been a lot of can't mss stars

who aren’t stars at all. I love guys that come out of college Jr. or Sr. yr and have dominated at the level. He is polished and loves to play D. Perfect fit with Tyreke.

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

The draft is never a sure thing but...

Wall is almost a generational talent. If there are “can’t miss prospects”, Wall is one of them and if the Kings have the first pick, the Kings will draft him and sort out everything else later.

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by jjham15 on Feb 21, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

let's just get the #1 pick

and then worry about it :-)

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 21, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Except

Petrie never takes the obvious pick. Thats why he is so good at drafting, he doesn’t get caught up in the hype. I do agree that Wall will be great, I would just like to continue our so called march to being tough. Evan Turner s a tough dude!

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Turner:19.5ppg 9.2Reb 5.8Ast 1.9STL 56%
Wall: 16.8ppg 4.1 Reb 6.3 Ast 1.9STL 46%

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, I'm happy with Turner.

Man if the Kings could draft Turner and sign Bosh!

Evans
Turner
Casspi
Bosh
Thompson

Bench
Beno
Landry
Donté
Hawes
Garcia

Nice.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Feb 21, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

If we draft Favors

We would have 3 PF’s of the future all around 6’9

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Landry is a player- TT is a prospect.

Don’t take any of this as me not thinking that Landry is a very good NBA player. I dig the pick-up and I hope he plays for the Kings until he retires. My point is, the Kings are selling you and the rest of the fans a fake bill of sale here. Landry is starting because he is what the Kings got for Kevin Martin, not because he is the future starting forward of the Sacramento Kings. Think Antoine Carr here- a good quality post scorer but the only reason he ever scored 20 a game is because he played for a shitty Kings team.

As a third big, there are few that are better than Landry. I actually believe that Jason Thompson is a great #2 big. The Kings just need that bigtime #1 guy to match with these two. Sorry Hawes fans, he can be a #2 or #3 also but IMO he doesn’t bring the skills that Thompson brings as a complimentary big to a star.

Hawes really looks like a bigger, softer version of the skills that Landry will bring but that pesky 7 footer label will get him paid a hell of a lot more unfortunately. Again, I’m not down on either Hawes or Landry but starting post players have to give you more than (6-) rebounds per game or they are destined for a role off the bench- and there isn’t anything wrong with that, the Kings need those guys also.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Feb 21, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Not trying to be Debbie Downer here, just trying to be realistic.

I don’t want fans to be disappointed in Landry when he continues to average less than the 8 rebounds a game that a starting NBA power forward should average.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Feb 21, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

He's not a great rebounder

But let’s not pretend that’s why the Kings got him – he’s close to an elite offensive player in the frontcourt, and that’s what Petrie and Westphal were looking for.

"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty

by otis29 on Feb 21, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry jjham

But comparing Carl Landry to Antoine Carr is craziness. Go compare their stats at basketball reference…Landry is a much better offensive player, and although I don’t think he’s a decent defender, he’s superior to Carr in that category as well.

I know I use this line a lot…but have you seen Landry play much?

"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty

by otis29 on Feb 21, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Look at Carr's years with the Kings and tell me they aren't similar to what Landry is producing.

We are talking semantics here Otis. My point is a starting power forward in the NBA for real team can’t be a 5.5-7.0 rebound per game guy unless maybe the guy is playing alongside Dennis Rodman or Dwight Howard.

I have watched Landry play and I think he is a nice player but we aren’t talking about improvement needed, we are talking about a philosophical change in his approach to the game. Players don’t just realize that they are bad rebounders and improve by 4 a game out of the blue. Landry is a post scorer. He should easily average 8 boards a game just because he plays so close to the rim.

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by jjham15 on Feb 21, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure

I look at Carr’s offensive and defensive ratings for his Kings years:

1989-1990: 108/111
1990-1991: 109/110

And Landry’s last two seasons:

2008-2009: 123/104
2009-2010: 119/107

Advanced statistics will tell you the tale of these two guys, and there’s really no comparison. Landry is flat out superior to Carr.

This isn’t semantics…it’s just a lousy comparison. Give the guy some time, and I think you’ll see a pretty damn good player.

"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty

by otis29 on Feb 21, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just glad we got someone

I would have rather gotten Haywood during Washington’s garage sale, but such is life.

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by HighTops on Feb 21, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Haywood also but...

He works with a guy like Jamison. Besides the shot blocking, I see Haywood and Thompson in a similar light with Thompson having a lot more upside. Landry is a Jamison, David West lite. Although Jamison has always been a quality player, he even came off the bench for large stretches of his career and he is a much better rebounder than Landry.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Feb 21, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't fault your line up, they are our core.

I’d rather have Garcia start after having warmed up before the game, rather than coming off the bench cold. Also, Casspi is one of our best frontcourt rebounders and I don’t like him coving the SG, where he’s away from the basket defending or expected to get back on defense when the shot goes up on offense.

The way Donte defended Amare in the last game, and with JT’s continued foul trouble, I just think JT needs to play off the bench or in the post with Donte on Amare. I’d start Spencer, but he is also good initialing the offense for the reserves with Beno acting more as a spot up shooter. Either way Spencer or JT at center is ok, but not together not this game. Maybe against other teams with Landry rotating in to rest one or the other.

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by HighTops on Feb 21, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I would agree

Having Spencer and JT both on the floor against the Suns. They are too slow to guard Amar’e. I would start Spence and Donte’, then bring in JT and Landry as the second unit.

by MustangMBS on Feb 21, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

"the rebounding deficiencies of both Landry and Hawes"

It really bugs the crap out of me that Hawes is 7’1" and has a rebounding deficiency.

by CloudyEyes on Feb 21, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too.

He can practically just reach up and grab a ball. Course, since he rarely get the tip at the start of the game, it isn’t too surprising.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 21, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

because the guy that's tallest always gets the rebound?

a lot of being a good rebounder is strength, something most guys get more of from age 21 to 26 or so.

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 21, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah! Well Spencer really proves that is not the case.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 21, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you'll find

that as the team’s defense gets better(if it does), Spencer’s rebounding will get better. That combined with the strength of getting older. Spencer’s not good at chaos, if there was better defense and less chaos he’d do better.

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 21, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

He can't do any worse.

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by jjham15 on Feb 21, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait a minute! Chaos?

So, if I understand you, if there were more order and predictability on the basketball court, Spencer would do better. Thing is basketball is full of chaos. The best basketball players deal with chaos all the time.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 21, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Secretly, Hawes does not want to be stereotyped as a center.

He really longs to play the 2 or 3 position.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 21, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I hear he wants to be a figure skater in the next Olympics

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by HighTops on Feb 21, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Neither player has an excuse.

Landry is a post scorer who hangs out in the paint. Hawes is 7+ feet tall. Both of these guys need to make a commitment to rebounding, especially on the defensive end.

Per 36:
Hawes 8.0 (2.7O/5.3 D)
Landry 7.3 (3.1O/4.2D)
Casspi 6.5 (1.2O/5.3D)

The Kings rookie small forward averages 5.3 defensive rebounds per game- same as their 7’+ center and 1.1 per better than their new power forward. Enough said.

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by jjham15 on Feb 21, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

You mentioned the wrong Lopez in the scouting HT

"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches

by AkaP on Feb 21, 2010 2:12 PM PST reply actions  

He meant Robin; said Brook.

It happens.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah!, but are you sure.

they’re twins right. And, maybe they switched places, because his brother wanted to see what it’s like to win a game. Never underestimate brotherly love,

Thanks, I caught myself doing that in one of the original drafts, but I missed that one. Maybe TZ can edit it before everyone knows I’m an idiot.

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by HighTops on Feb 21, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Too late

You’re already an idiot.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I know that and you know that, but does everyone else have to know. Besides

there’s only room for one town idiot on this site and, you were here first.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Feb 21, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

We got too many of those now

I think there’s plenty of room for more. I’ll take a spot as well

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Feb 21, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

The only way I could be dumber

IS to be twins

There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Feb 21, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

That's pretty impossible ElRon.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

AIn't my fault there's too much dumb to fit in one body

blame my daddy, can’’t blame my mamma, he said he never met her.

There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Feb 21, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

LOL That's an awesome line.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

That is beyond awesome HT.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Another chance to see the new team

I don’t have much to say. Go Kings!

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Feb 21, 2010 2:34 PM PST reply actions  

I wrote a preview with nothing to say.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Read it

I’m blank as well. Not very excited for games really. It’s probably the transition period

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Feb 21, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I think tonight's a winnable game.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Nash is the key

And I’m hoping the kids come out with better effort.

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Feb 21, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe the mental placebo will kick in today as opposed to yesterday.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

We can only hope

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Feb 21, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

There is the optimistic Eddie I know.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I think every game is winnable

and then I remember we dont seem to play 48 mins often.

by chenp22 on Feb 21, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

The eternally pessimistic optimistic Aussie. Who knew?

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

LoL

I cant figure myself out either sometimes.. Been away on holidays, but saw all the trade drama unfold.. Hopefully it works out for us, although I feel like its way too early to make an assessment.

by chenp22 on Feb 21, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

If Kevin didn't want to say, and he didn't, there was no reason to force him. The other guys weren't reacting well to him on the court.

It was a marriage that had ended. It makes you wonder about what could have been, but I’m okay. There are lingering feelings and what, but everyone will move on.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

agree on the bad marriage analogy

Was pretty surreal to see him in the rockets jersey the other night. I think he’ll flourish with adelmen though.

by chenp22 on Feb 21, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sick of Grant Napear...he needs to leave either radio or television

Last night Donte threw up a shot against three defenders and yelled “and 1”…he air balled the shot and didn’t get a foul called., I hope I never see anything like that again. Tonight I’m looking for Landry to make some big boy moves in the paint….maybe JT can learn a few moves through example.

by khoganso on Feb 21, 2010 2:34 PM PST reply actions  

Random thoughts?

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Feb 21, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Curiosity

Did Reke really have an 8 second violation last night?

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 3:19 PM PST reply actions  

not that I recall

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 21, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Hoping

Our transition D is a better than @GS. If were playing the suns it could be ugly..

by chenp22 on Feb 21, 2010 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

I hope Westphal follows your lead:
Donte, Casspi, JT, starting lineup, and bring Carl off the bench

I would like to see these guys in our starting lineup. You didn’t mention Garcia. I hope he comes off the bench also.

Nice scouting report.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 21, 2010 4:14 PM PST reply actions  

On an off note

Houston game has started for anyone wanting to watch Kev

by chenp22 on Feb 21, 2010 4:15 PM PST reply actions  

I'm watching as well.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

KMART..

coming off the bench..always thought he would be best in that position. Like a carl crawford or Manu!

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

People might not have known who you meant though Sav.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's just a matter of figuring out the best way to use him.

Also, he’ll finish a lot of games and play a lot of minutes I suspect.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

True

It’s always nice to have instant offense off the bench

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

so you think they will bring in Ariza off the bench? Or Battier?

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Battier

Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 21, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

The way they’re built they might just start Battier at the four and play small. They’ve been doing that a little anyway.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by hlebtasic on Feb 21, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, sit Hayes

would work fine against most teams.

Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 21, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Until they met

CLE, LA, BOS, or the other elite teams that have multiple bigs they can throw at you

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

It's going to be a stretch for them to even make the playoffs this year

I think they finish 9th.

Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 21, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I was talking more about

the future. When Ming comes back. End of games would probably be SCOLA and MING, Brooks with either Martin, Ariza, Battier

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Remind me why Morey is a better GM than Petrie

I know its counterproductive to argue this, but why does he get so much love. For making a team with no stars fun to watch? The Kings definitely have a better young core and a higher ceiling, neither teams are built to compete now.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by hlebtasic on Feb 21, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Petrie is good

Morey is good
Pritchard is the best in the league.

by VenomySnicket on Feb 21, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll agree with that

Presti is good too, although anybody could make a good team with the draft picks he’s been able to use.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by hlebtasic on Feb 21, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

the same could be said

for Pritchard

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 21, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

but he goes out and gets draft picks. Very aggressive, but not stupid.

by VenomySnicket on Feb 21, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

hasn't yet

although I would rather have TT than LMA.
But the Roy-Foye thing…..

by VenomySnicket on Feb 21, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

I actually like LMA too.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by hlebtasic on Feb 21, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Pritchard is the guy

that I wonder why people are so impressed.

Sure he’s a good GM, but I don’t understand why people love what he’s done so much.

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 21, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Well if you look at what he started with

and where the team is now, you just have to be impressed.
Worst in the league IMO is Chris Wallace

by VenomySnicket on Feb 21, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Dunleavy is the worst hands down

Wallace always looks like an idiot, but at least the Grizzlies are interesting. That Pau trade isn’t as bad as it first looked

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by hlebtasic on Feb 21, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

he's had

a #1, #4 and #6 pick and several years to mature those guys, he’s done a good job, but that many top picks should turn into something.

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 21, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

YUP

Imagne if we have the #1 pick this yr and the #6 pick next yr. We might be a good team ha

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting off the bench - Isn't that what we were saying all along?

Adelman is no fool.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 21, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Adelman is no fool

but Houston’s situation and ours are quite a bit different.

And honestly, starting is overrated anyway, who finishes is what matters.

(TWSS)

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 21, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

This.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed,

He’ll get plenty of mins. Funny that their giving rockets fans free tickets to the kings game by depositing for season tickets…

by chenp22 on Feb 21, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm interested to hear people's opinions on

where they see JT and Hawes in the future of this team.
We bring in Landry, talk about Bosh and Favors…
What about Shock and Hawes?
Both of their upsides are so huge, but to me their futures are still blurry.
I would hate to see us get rid of either of them, but will they develop into playoff caliber frontcourt players?
Time will tell, I guess.

by Ichiban on Feb 21, 2010 4:30 PM PST reply actions  

Interesting question, which I think you answered, yourself.

Time will tell. Had you asked that same question about 6 weeks ago, a lot of people would have said to trade Hawes. In that time, Spence made somewhat of a turnaround, although he is still questionable defensively. As for JT, last season the guy could do no wrong. This season is a different story. He gets into foul trouble, has difficulty handling the ball, pouts, argues with the refs, makes stupid mistakes.

Personally, I think it is too early to tell with both of them. Ask that same question at the end of the season and I bet people will have a better idea. With Landry entering the mix, there may be additional elements, which could factor in for both JT and Spencer.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 21, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Its difficult to tell at this point

part of it is, what timeframe are you talking about? next year? two years? four years?

Four years from now Hawes will be just 25. Think about four more years of development, and he’ll barely be starting his prime years, he could be pretty good.

The question is how will JT and Hawes fit with what the Kings want to do? Both have NBA futures, but will their games fit the needs of our team?

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 21, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

One or the other won't be with the Kings in 4 years, maybe even both.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Feb 21, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL @ Clutch having a no shower clause.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 4:31 PM PST reply actions  

Peja can still really shoot it

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 21, 2010 4:35 PM PST reply actions  

Man, I wish Kevin would just make a few shots.

its so weird seeing him miss so many shots.

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 21, 2010 4:41 PM PST reply actions  

yeah, he's really struggling

Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 21, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

The more he misses..

the better the trade looks ha…but I hope he shakes out of this month long slump

by elSAVinator on Feb 21, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

winning or losing the trade doesn't matter

what matters is us getting better. And Martin did a lot of great things for the Kings, no reason to root against him now,

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Feb 21, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

its weird that of all the guys we saw get traded

are some what struggling to fit in

He who jumps into the void, owes no explanation to those who stand and watch

by LObSterBusH15 on Feb 21, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

not tmac

he looked good last night

Tyreke Evans for R.O.Y!

by sac-townz finest on Feb 21, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

tmac looked solid to my surprise!

He who jumps into the void, owes no explanation to those who stand and watch

by LObSterBusH15 on Feb 21, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I suppose I can live with NOLA Hornets being Western Conf

As long as Louisiana Tech is still Western Athletic Conference…

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by Hit4TheCycle on Feb 21, 2010 4:42 PM PST reply actions  

Memphis is in the West too.

And they’re east of the Mississippi.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

way east

makes no sense
way farther east than chicago and milwakee

by Ichiban on Feb 21, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Move New Orleans to the Southeast Division
Move Memphis, Washington to the Central
Move Detroit and Milwaukee to the Northwest
and move OKC and Utah to the Southwest.

by VenomySnicket on Feb 21, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

That ain't happening.

None of the teams want to move.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not really sure Buddinger is somebody that fits in real well with the Kings.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

That and he duplicates a lot of what Casspi/Martin and Spence/JT do.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

That and he isn't better than Omri.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

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