NaPG or SbPG?
by Mcamp49 on Feb 22, 2010 2:28 PM PST
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Much has been made about whether Tyreke Evans is a point guard or not, but I wonder if the more relevant question is whether Evans should be the Kings point guard. Granted, he is only 20 years old, and given his limited college and pro experience, it is wildly unrealistic to expect Tyreke to grasp the nuances of the point guard position, but I wonder if the Kings are pushing him in the wrong direction.
In order to master the point guard position, that is to say, distributing the ball effectively and making your teammates consistently better, I would contend that Evans has a long way to go. Understanding the offense as a whole, knowing each players strengths and weaknesses, knowing when to push the tempo and when to pull back - those qualities are almost always acquired with age and experience. I am not saying that Evans couldn't get there at the point guard position, but I think it would be a while before his natural instincts were to allow him to excel in these areas.
However, if the Kings were to feature him at the off guard position, but as more of a combo guard who handled ball off of screens, on the baseline and in the post, wouldn't that still give him ample opportunity to make plays for others while getting his own? It's no revelation that if Tyreke ever develops a reliable 20 foot jump shot, he will be nearly unguardable. Wouldn't it be more prudent to have him shoot 1,000 jumpers a day all summer long and develop some basic post moves rather than have his focus split by also having to carry the burden of running the whole team?
Bottom line: either way, the kid is going to be a big time star. I just wonder if by pushing the point guard spot on Evans, the Kings are putting too much on his shoulders (as big as they are). To me, Evans is a semi consistent jump shot away from becoming an all star 2 guard, but long experience away from becoming a complete point guard. Having a true blue, pass first point I think could really help quite of a few players on the Kings, but most of all, Evans himself.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I still can't figure out what SB stands for
Best I got is Son of a B**** but wouldn’t it be SoaBPG??
I feel like everytime I’ve stopped to take a study break today, a new fanpost is uploaded, the trade deadline is like the mid season NBA Draft, brings out new members by the thousands.
Regarding your post, I guess that might be the direction GP is thinking. I mean I know we need a low post scorer, but KMart was about as a good a compliment to Tyreke as you could get. I wouldn’t mind having another ball handling guard play alongside Reke, just like you said, to take pressure off of him of making all the decisions at this point in his career. Besides only thing better than having One awesome playmaking/excellent ball handling guard in your backcourt, its two of them.
Sb = Should be
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"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 22, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
I thought that
But then it would contradict the whole thread. Should Be Point Guard makes me think that Reke should be the point guard….I’m so lost. MCamp explain yourself………
I think he made a mistake and meant the headline to be "NaPG or SbSG?"
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
Yeah, you may be right
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 22, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I read it as Sodium or Antimony
But on a QWERTY keyboard Na and Sb are neighbors in an opposite pattern. Perhaps that’s the key to understanding the Sb. I still say he’s a NaPG because he’s liable to explode.
I read it as SubPG - or substandard PG
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Yes, the question was meant to mean...
should he be our point guard. You could say should he be our shooting guard as well…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
That is a very good question.
I don’t have an answer for it, but I know that there are a lot of people on here that have some strong feelings one way or another.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I think Tyreke could evolve into a very good point.
But if we have a shot at getting Wall or Evan Turner (go Bucks!), then the experiment must end.
I know we need a center, but draft-wise, you get the best player available, and if we draft a guard and have to make a play for Bosh (ideally) or Amar’e (gulp), or even overpay for Tyrus Thomas a little bit, I think that’s how it has to develop.
Guards can contribute immediately in many cases, we take BPA and try like hell to convince a big to come play with all of this young talent.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Feb 22, 2010 3:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Turner is more of a 2 guard than Evans!
I cannot even fathom having the 1st pick and getting Wall. It seems like such an impossibility.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
Turner is getting 6 assists a game as it is, and I'm not sure he's really even focusing on that yet.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Admit that you're an OSU homer.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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For college hoops, I'm really a University of Dayton fan.
But I’m not advocating drafting Chris Wright, even if he did go to my high school
Not this year, anyway…
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Or hometown.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
"try like hell to convince a big to come play with all of this young talent"
“Hello Mr. Bosh, welcome to the Playboy Suite at the Palms. The Maloof family hopes you have an enjoyable and relaxing stay, and if you need anything at all, please contact your Sacramento Kings representative for this trip. Her name is Kayte, and I think you’ll find her quite accomodating.”
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 22, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Evans/Turner
2 NaPG = one hellacious backcourt.
I advise everyone to watch an OSU game. Turner is a beast. Evans and Turner could share 1 and 2 duties and flip back and forth. What a nightmare that would be for an opposing team.
I still love Wall, but Turner may be the 2nd best player in this year’s draft.
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Because a 6'6" point guard wasn't enough, let's get one who is 6'7".
I know we need bigs, but I still Wall & Evans are the closest to sure things this go round.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
MY NaPG IS BIGGER THAN YOUR NaPG!!!
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by tomroadrunner on Feb 22, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
I am a big Evan Turner fan
the guy does not have a true weakness to his game. One of my buds who is a former PAC-10 starting PG insists Turner reminds him of Marques Johnson, I say Bobby Dandridge (other considerations are Alex English who was a phenomenol scorer and all-arounder, Scottie Pippen was better defensively but Turner has that degree of athletecism), throw away the pale skin – Jon Havelicek was a guy with no weaknesses and extremely athletic, Clyde Drexler would be another consideration.
If they get the #2 this is the guy you have to pick with DeMarcus Cousins #3. Everyone else is metza metz. II am disappointed that Seth Davis of SI has not come out with a player profile yet. He has thoughtful insights. He has a few mentions in his articles and he is NOT a fan of Derrick Favors nor of Ed Davis. He feels Hassan Whiteside needs more time, Sharron Collins is a great college player and no one else really impresses)
by betweentheeyes on Feb 22, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
What Tyreke really needs in the backcourt with him is a shut-down defending, lights-out 3-point shooting big guard
A Bowen or Christie type. Someone who can devote all their time to defense and making all their 3s on Evan’s kickouts.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
Cisco on steroids
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 22, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly!
I was thinking this exact thing the other night. Having a lockdown defender at SG who is a deadly spot up shooter would be perfect compliment to Evans at the 2. I think Cisco can actually fit that role somewhat, but we’ll have to give him some time to get healthy and acclimated to the team before we can pass judgement.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
I don't think Cisco is quick enough to deal with the speedier guards out there.
He seems to labor just keeping in front of the more athletic 3s out there. Cisco is strong for his size, but not a lot of quickness there.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Cisco..
…at least the cisco of the past, has always had tremendous anticipation along with quick hands with long arms
Other than being 'BIG' I think that description is...
…Willie Warren. He’s 6’4" which is still plenty big to take on most PG’s in the NBA.
Warren’s the best deep threat in this lotto and he plays some pretty good defense to boot.
No.
Donté at the 2 is a failed experiment.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 23, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
I don't care what Evans his
he is a +6, +14 and -9 in points, assists and RBs to get to the mythical 20 5 and 5.
Over the last 26 games he needs to average 19.8 ppg 4.5 assists and 5.4 RBs to join the exclusive club of superstars who have acheived this feat.
My thought is he can play next to almost anybody, but I would prefer a 6’5" or taller combo guard who can shoot and play some D
As I typed that Joe Johnson came to mind, and I’ll have to give him some serious thought.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
We all know the his is the header is is right?
I suck.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
We all know the his is in the header is his in right?
What did I do with those bullets….someone post Barney picture here and I’’ll do it vicariously.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
I disagree
Until and unless ’Reke gets to the point where he can perform PG duties (e.g. either shoot very well from outside or distribute the ball very well or both) our 2 guard will have to be a player that is able to handle the ball very well and pass very well. We tried Garcia at the point last year and it did not work out well. DC worked out well because Bibby could pass, dribble, and nail the three.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
Ah.
Over the last 26 games he needs to average 19.8 ppg 4.5 assists and 5.4 RBs to join the exclusive club of superstars who have acheived this feat.
This mentality is exactly the problem.
I could not possibly care less if Evans joins that exclusive club. Obviously the “blueprint” does, but in my mind, that is hurting the team now and for the rest of the season.
The focus needs to be on the team, not the making of a superstar. And Evans focus on his individual stat line hurts the team.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 23, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
It's in the best interest of the Maloofs
they’ve been selling the’High Draft Pick’ since last years Lottery. And since we don’t have any all-stars to sell, I’m sure they are Ordering the coaching staff to make sure Tyreke gets the ROY and joins the other great rookies with 20/5/5 stats.
The NBA is a success because of it’s stars. And, until the Maloofs get one, they’re going to push for the closest thing that they have to one.
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It is interesting that after all this time, we are still debating whether Tyreke is a Point Guard.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Better question: Why does it matter?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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The philosophical retort - What does anything matter?
For that matter, what is matter? Does it exist or doesn’t it?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Personally, I'm anti matter. Never liked it, never will. Anyways this doesn't matter either.
I've got gas - yea, i'm enviromentally friendly
Matter please meet anti-matter.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I would say it only matters in the context of, if you can draft Wall, is Tyreke instanly your 2?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Better question
Do you draft Wall to make your fantasy work?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
This will probablt tick some people off
But I think it does matter. If ‘Reke had been a true PG, I think K-mart would still be around. If ’Reke were a point guard, we’d get into our sets quicker and move the ball more. If ’Reke were a PG we would not have to worry about playing a 2 that can bring tyhe ball up the floor, dribble, pass, and make outside jumpers. ’Reke is a great player and does a lot of things very well. But at some point you have to decide whether is your quaterback or your fullback.
And yeah, I know, he is young.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
That doesn't piss me off at all. I understand that POV SB. I just really disagree with it.
I think now, and unless something comes along that really changes my mind, this trade was mostly about how Kevin got along with other players. I know that seems weird, but Reke was still getting his shots. But Omri and JT weren’t, right? Everyone else’s role changed.
Reke has issues, but young players learning the league often do. Nothing that he’s done so far shows me that he can’t learn or won’t do his best attempting to learn.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I don't think the Kevin Martin trade settled the Tyreke PG argument
But it definitely dropped a large marble on the NaPG side of the scale.
Hmmm. Interesting.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Something to think about
Do you think the youngs weren’t getting teir shots because Kevin needed more or because we didn’t have a facilitator? Kevin seemed as unhappy with his opportunities as the young guys did. Shooters generally want to get the ball in the flow of the game. At this point in his very young cereer, Evans often seems to get other players the ball only when his movement has stagnated, making it tougher for them to get open looks.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
I think it's a combination of both.
I think Reke is unhappy somewhat because the crutch for him was Kevin and now the crutch was gone. And I’m not sure whether the other guys on the team understand that or not.
Right now, the ball movement is a problem, and Reke’s natural tendencies play a part, but that’s only one side of the problem. The Kings are after him to fix his end of the issue.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
That's an interesting assertion.
Nothing that he’s done so far shows me that he can’t learn or won’t do his best attempting to learn.
What has he done that does show you he will do his best to learn to be a playmaker? Because all I’ve seen is the blueprint in action.
Maybe after this year, when he has his lovely ROY trophy sitting on his mantle (or his brother’s mantle) and has achieved the elusive and prestigious 20-5-5, he’ll start focusing on being a teammate instead of the guy that everyone else is supposed to support and make look good?
Or maybe he’ll decide that he is, after all THE MAN, and those other four guys in shirts that match his are still superfluous.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 23, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
Harsh
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 23, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Stark reality quite often is harsh.
I don’t know or have ever talked to Tyreke. I believe he is a team players, who wants to win badly, and doesn’t know how to play well with others. The job of the coaching staff, is to make him that guy who makes others better, and is the clutch guy when you need someone to take over the game. that’s what LeBron is and that’s what Kobe has learned to be.
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Agreed all around
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 23, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Harsh is LPA in a word.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Okay I'm sorry that you dislike the Blueprint. Because clearly Tyreke is getting in the way of Omri missing 3 balls, JT playing like shit consistently
Spencer Hawes getting benched, and I’m sure Reke also opposed the Salt Lake Temple in 1893 too. But only because it’s in the Blue Print.
On a more serious note, the Blue Print has nothing to do with assists or passing. Kevin Durant isn’t a terribly gifted passer either, but he’s okay right? (Oh that’s right, not a PG. That’s important. My bad, my bad.)
The problem as I see it, and continue to see it, is that his strengths & weaknesses do not complement the other talents around him. The problem? He’s also the team’s best player. He can pass the ball and what not. He does TRY to be a playmaker, and there are times where he seems too eager to set guys up rather than look for his offense. It’s a delicate balance, and I’m not sure where it ends and I begin. It’s a tricky and touchy situation that only a few, and a very rare few, ever get right. Given that the Kings weren’t going anywhere last season, or this season for that matter, maybe my definitions on what running the team vary.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Agreed
Evans is getting there. He just needs a little more experience. I think it’s more difficult being a scoring point guard since you always have to make a decision whether to score or pass. I’m happy with Evans — he so far has exceeded all of my expectations.
I agree
He definitely has some skills that could translate into PG skills, but he’s not there now, and he may need to sacrifice too much of what makes him a special player to get there. In the offseason, I’d rather see the team build on what he does best than to try to train him to fill the team’s greatest need.
This I agree with completely
If he can become a great point guard awesome. But if not, we need to stop trying to make him what he isn’t and focus on all the things he is.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
I don't really think the problem is the team being run by Reke. (I know i answered it a little bit differently.)
I thought against the Suns Reke ran the team fine in the 1st half. It was the 2nd half where he really struggled to do that and the offense really stagnated without hitting the J’s.
I don’t really think this is about running/not running the offense. I think the issue is quite a bit deeper than that.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I can't help but think
that there might be a coaching issue as well. Just how good of X and O coach is PW? he seems to be motivational, and supportive, and confident, but as I wonder why we dont seem to run more plays, what type of tools are the players being given? 1-4 Flat is not a creative way to end a quarter/game.
As to what plays do you think the Kings should run differently?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Two things that could help us with this problem
We need someone who watched the Sonics/Thunder in the first Durant season or the Blazers in the first Roy season to do a write up about similarities and differences with those teams and today;s Kings. (maybe someone kind enough at Bedge?).
I’m also interested in a write up from someone who remembers Westphal’s Phoenix and even Seattle’s teams and I’m not talking about the styles but more in depth analysis of how he worked his rotations, what kind of sets his teams would run, and the differences between those Phoenix contender teams and the young Sonics he led for a couple years.
I hope someone around has that kind of info. I think that could help a lot here put things in perspective.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
It would be interesting from a historical perspective Eddie. I'm not sure it brings something of greater collective value in regards to the Kings though.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I think it could shed some light of things we haven't seen
I don’t think it will give us the perfect idea of where this is headed but it may help us consider things we haven’t thought about or just learn things we didnt know. You kno what they say about not learning from the past…
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I understand that too.
I just don’t think history is being ignored here. I think people are looking for automatic fixes when there isn’t any.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Ed this is my thought as well
the OKC team with Durant who also had Green and Durant was wonderful but was criticized for shooting too much, taking bad shots and over handling the ball. Sound familiar? Tyreke has been compared to DWade. Same story there.
Tyreke Evans needs time. Seasoning. To understand where his talent fits in the League. He is the heart of this team and he has much to learn. But he is learning and wants to get better. Sometimes you see growth, sometimes you see regresson. Oh, and this 20 year old will still get stronger and bigger. Gulp.
Patienc y’all. (the patience preacher has spoken)
by betweentheeyes on Feb 22, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
There is nothing that Tyreke does offensively from the PG position
that he couldn’t do from the SG position. Right now he has deficiencies at both positions. It’s going to take more time fixing his PG deficiencies (court vision, passing, setting up others) then it’s going to take to fix his SG deficiencies( mid and long range jumpshooting).
So, if you were the GM, would you stock up on PG’s, SG’s or both until you decide when he’ll be great at either position. And, how long are you willing to wait to find out.
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This is exactly what I wanted to discuss...
The road is clearly shorter to him becoming an outstanding SG, but an all star point guard is so valuable. Tough questions to answer, but important ones for not only Tyreke’s future, but the future developement of the other young players on the team.
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
Tyreke's size isn't any more beneficial as a PG then as a SG
The fallacy is that he can post up smaller PG’s, but if we cant get him the ball in position to score, or if it takes so long that the defense anticipates it and is ready to help, where’s the advantage. Little PG’s get by bigger defenders all the time, off of screens or picks. The only real benefit from Evans size is that he won’t get blocked by smaller PG’s when he puts up a jumper.
As a SG, he can penetrate after coming off a screen and receiving a pass from a PG, just as well as he does now. And, the defense isn’t going to be waiting for him like now.
Could Tyerek become the premier PG in the league some day, probably not. But he could be in the top 3 to 5. But, that might not make him a bigger star then being the next Kobe or Roy.
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Didn't Durant move to a different position after his first season?
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Players have to run the plays
Kevin Johnson once said that Paul Westphal was one of the most creative offensive minds he has ever been around. The issue is more around the players running the sets effectively, part coaching yes but largely attributible to the inexperience of the players doing the flow of the game.
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
Would the team be better with Tony Parker as our starting point?
If the job of the PG is to initiate the offense, and get easier shots for the other players, then it matters because Tyreke isn’t doing that now. Well, not at the pace most of the better PG’s do. Tyreke is trying to get his average assists to over 5. Right now Tyreke is 19th among all guards in assists. Spencer is 22nd in pts/reb/asts among centers. Most people would say that Spencer isn’t a very good center or maybe not even a center. But, no one wants to say that Tyreke isn’t a very good PG or that he might actually be a SG and NaPG.
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Agreed on all counts
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
Are we talking today's Tony Parker or 20 year old Tony Parker?
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We talk about whether or not todays Evans is the right PG for this team.
Probably before the trade deadline that question had more relevance. Now, with only one other combo guard to play the position the question is pointless. Unless of course the opportunity to pick up a playmaking PG or a starting SG comes up. Then the question of where’s Evans best suited and who’s best playing beside him, really comes into play.
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The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Quite frankly,
Evans development > Kings as a team, at least for the rest of this season. I see no down side to letting the youngster hold onto the reins for the last 26 games. His assist numbers have been on the rise throughout the season, and he is passing better today than he was at the beginning of the year. His shot/assist and assist/to numbers are comparable or better than those belonging to Johnny Flynn, and I don’t here anyone questioning whether or not Flynn is a point guard.
Those that think that he is ultimately not a point guard may very well be right. I think that it’s way too soon to make that call.
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Absolutely, I'm only concerned with improvement and not wins
but, if we had a opportunity to pick up a PG next summer, I’d have no problems seeing the team move him to SG. It’s not like it would be forever. He’d still be the same player, only not with the ball every possession. He’d still continue to progress and develop skill that would make him a better PG also.
I think the belief that he has to be one or the other, is too rigid. What he is today, or tomorrow or next year, is only a temporary moment in a very long and varied career.
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The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
What do you guys think of Raymond Felton
as a backcourt mate to Reke? Not saying Tyreke is NaPG, but he’s an option this offseason.
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I think that you find the best backcourt player
and Tyreke plays the other position. I’d rather see Evans and Greene or Evans and Garcia than Felton and Evans. I would also take Wall and Evans or Evans and Turner.
A lot is being made of some of Evans’ decisions on the court, but he is still just 20, with just a little bit of PG experience under his belt. He’s 7th in point guard PER right now (Steph Curry is 34th, by the way…just sayin’). He’s at 5.3 assists per game – Mike Bibby is at 6.0 for his career.
I’m not willing to bet money that Evans is a point guard. But I’m not willing to bet otherwise. He is a much better point guard today than he was at the beginning of the season. I’d like to see how this PG thing plays out, unless the Kings land a superstud 1.
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Agree, just throwing out some names
Turner is the next guy I want to start paying attention to. I’ve heard very nice things
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