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Holy Crummy Defense! Spurs 115, Kings 113

Is Joe Maloof really on suicide watch after that? Sam Amick is there, knows better than I, and paints a dire portrait of the Kings' spirit following another loss, this one an eventual flame-out against a much better team. The Kings lost this game because of one bad offensive stretch (the first half of the fourth quarter) and a game-long exercise in awful defense. But in fairness to the Kings, the Spurs also played poor defense most of the game! The Spurs were just able to avoid a quick shooting slump. (Getting all their shots within three feet of the rim or without a Kings within 10 feet seemed to do the trick.)

For those who didn't view: this game was both not as close and as close as the final score indicates. Through three quarters, the game was this close. The lead changed hands numerous times, and neither team got comfortable until the Spurs pulled away early in the fourth with an 8-0 run. So when the deficit reached 11 late, that wasn't a real accurate summary of the game. It was tighter than that. But it also wasn't exactly a 2-point game. The Kings scored on some ridiculous baskets late (including Tyreke Evans's three at the horn) to tighten it up while playing the foul game. It's all fair in the end, as Sacramento missed plenty of open, makeable shots during that fourth quarter skid. What Kevin Martin missed in the fourth, Evans hit at the end.

For those keeping track of Martin-Evans Vs. Planet Earth, by the way, Evans looked just fine all game, Martin looked invisible in the first quarter (0-1 in six minutes, two early fouls), brilliant in the second (10 points on 4-6 shooting in 12 minutes), iffy in the third (five points on 2-6 shooting in 12 minutes) and just plain bad in the fourth (0-4, including a blown open but off-balance lay-up and three missed threes, in nine minutes). In the end, for the pair: 47 points, .543 eFG, 13 FTAs, nine assists (eight of them from Reke), five turnovers (four of them from Reke). That sounds OK to me. Not what we're looking for from the pair, but I'll take it.

Star-divide

But neither Evans or Martin played passable defense. Both looked really bad there, in real-time and on slow-motion replay. George Hill's 23 points agree. (Martin never really got burnt, but he was rarely in good position, at least from my vantage point. I'm not sure how much blame he deserves for that, but his lack of positive impact on that end was noticeable. Quite.) No one on the team played good defense, really, though I saw a fairly stable Spencer Hawes ... again. Ime Udoka played all of 11 minutes but got burnt like toast by Manu Ginobili. Donte Greene wasn't bad, but he was usually guarding Antonio McDyess, who is the opposite of featured in the S.A. offense. Omri Casspi had some very strong possessions guarding Richard Jefferson, but he also had a couple bad defensive possessions. Sergio Rodriguez, potentially as good as I've seen him on offense, was a defensive disaster. (Paul Westphal agreed, entering the rare time-out tirade against Sergio after a blown pick-and-roll on defense. From what I gather from reading Westphal's lips and watching Jon Brockman gesture, Sergio, guarding George Hill, chased over a screen while Brockman briefly showed before retreating with the screener, which of course allowed Hill his most liberating path to the basket all night, which is saying a lot, because Hill basically played with a 5-foot force field around him all game.)

According to Hoopdata's box score, the Spurs shot 24-27 within five feet. Twenty-four of twenty-seven. And the Kings still outshot them in total! (Sacramento shot .576 eFG, San Antonio .548.) At some point, there's nothing Hawes, Brockman, Greene, or Andres Nocioni can do. They are just not good enough to handle Tim Duncan (6-6 in the paint) or DeJuan Blair (6-7) in the paint. Maybe the coaching staff needs to come up with a strategy to prevent so many interior attempts, maybe the team just needs to play a big line-up and stick with it. (Hard to do without Jason Thompson, as Sean May proved in two quick minutes.) It's an impossible situation right now, hardly surprising but still deflating.

I guess, in the end, I'm like Of Course They Lost!, not Oh My God! Another Loss!. The team overachieved for a bit, and it's certainly underachieving a bit now. But we all know it's not about this year. It's about tomorrow, always tomorrow. I saw enough good in Evans, in Hawes, in Greene, in Casspi to keep off the ledge. If you're building a castle and a band of marauders steals some lumber in the cold of night, you don't throw your hands up and cry for mercy. You get some more coddamn lumber, and you assign a night watch, and you build that ufcking castle.

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That's really nicely put
this game was both not as close and as close as the final score indicates.

It is kind of hard to bitch about losing to the Spurs, even if we did have a legit shot at it before the 4th quarter lapse. It is all about the future, I’m generally the first to say so, although the present would be easier to stomach if the games were played on paper instead of on CSN. All that would mean is we’d have beaten Washington, and lost three times to Denver, instead of only once.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Feb 4, 2010 6:47 AM PST reply actions  

What will change in the future?

Or put another way, can this team become a good defensive team going forward with the guys we presume will be core guys? I think the answer could be yes, but how do the guys get to that point?

We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

by outrider on Feb 4, 2010 6:48 AM PST reply actions  

My sig line is often a necessary aspect of my posts...

Otherwise I would change it to this:

If you’re building a castle and a band of marauders steals some lumber in the cold of night, you don’t throw your hands up and cry for mercy. You get some more coddamn lumber, and you assign a night watch, and you build that ufcking castle.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Feb 4, 2010 6:48 AM PST reply actions  

BATMAN?!?!

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims

by iashwash on Feb 4, 2010 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Wholly crummy defense

This seems to be an all-too common theme. At this point , the guys haven’t shown there is any solution to that anytime soon, with the current core players.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 4, 2010 7:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Is it time for Kevin to leave?

Perhaps this is premature, but is Kevin Martin worth the $10, $11, $12, million he’s due the next 3 years? He is a great 3rd guy on the team, but should not be considered the best or second best player on a team that is either good or wants to be good. I also don’t think his trade value will go up, so it’s probably as high as it’s going to be and if Dallas does want him and we’ll get back Josh Howard’s expiring contract, it may be worth taking a look?

I got ripped for suggesting we move him and J.T. to Utah in a sign and trade to get Boozer back. We have no consistent presence in the low post and although I’d like to believe J.T. will be a solid player in years to come, I don’t know if that will come to fruition?

There is also Kenny Thomas’ expiring contract to consider ($8.5 million). We could trade him for leverage to get a big back, but there aren’t too many bigs out there I’d want.

Or, we just sit tight and work on the chemistry and see how to get the most out of this roster in the hopes that the defense will improve and they will figure out how to co-exist and thrive together. Let’s see when Francisco comes back, who we want to keep at the 3 and who is expendable. Otherwise this is another lost year with a lottery pick. BTW, who would you pick, a SG or PF?

We’ve lost 15 of 17, OUCH!

by 1 and done on Feb 4, 2010 7:20 AM PST reply actions  

You're getting ripped

Because we hear this after every game with the exact same arguments put forth, and its getting really annoying.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

My answer

is that Tyreke needs a non ball dominant backcourt matchup. Kevin fits the bill perfectly. When both players are on, there are very few backcourts in the league that can match up with them.

Kevin Martin is a top 5 (he’s the 5th best) shooting guard in this league and perhaps the most efficient guard in the league. PER agrees.

Kevin just got back from a 2 month long period where the Kings offense has completely changed from what he had been used to playing for two years, where he was the focus of the offense. As such he’s still trying to find his groove and you can see its coming back, albeit slower than a lot of us thought. Kevin is also still relatively young at 27.

As for Josh Howard, he has been steadily getting worse, and because his game relies on slashing, that doesn’t mix well with Tyreke, who needs shooters.

As for Kevin + JT for Boozer, this is simply ridiculous. Kevin can drop 30 every night, and if you watched JT in the first few months of the year, he was a 17/10 guy. And he’s only in his 2nd year. Boozer meanwhile, will go wherever the money is greatest. He also doesn’t fix our glaring interior defense problem. We could potentially be giving up Kevin and JT for nothing.

As for “another lost year with a lottery pick”, look at what OKC has done. They’ve gotten 4 top 10 picks and now they’re looking like potential contenders in 2 or 3 years. I’d rather get another lottery pick than try to improve so we get stuck in the 7th or 8th spot continuously. Remember the 04-06 Kings? That team was living in the past and mired in mediocrity.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 7:33 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Josh Howard is an UFA next year, so he’d just free up more salary cap room. If you’re saying that Chris Bosh won’t come here, I agree, but I do think Boozer and his 20/10 each game will help the kings, just like Chris Webber did. Blair was unstoppable last night and shows what a strong guy on the block can do. I do agree that Martin is great as a third option, but he’s pretty much just a scorer and not much of a defender. So if you think the Evans, Martin backcourt will work, more power to you. I’d prefer a true point and moving Tyreke to the 2. Who do you like with our top 10 pick next year?

by 1 and done on Feb 4, 2010 7:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude

Do you know anything about Boozer at all? I live in Utah. I watch the guy all the time. Yes, he is a very good player when he is on the floor. Often he is not. If you think K-Mart manages to miss a lot of game with injuries, look at Boozer’s numbers last year.

But that ain’t the worst of it. Do you know how he got to Utah in teh first place? His last team had a one year team option on him. They wanted to pay him MORE money. He promised if they released him, to sign him for a longer contract for more money, hw would stay. As soon as they released him he signed with the Jazz. Then, he started moning about playing for them and how he wanted to go to Miami—until he missed most of last season with various injuries and realized he was overpaid. That was when he decided to take his player option and stay, even though the Jazz didn’t want him by this point.

So, yeah, trade K-mart and JT for that guy. The Jazz will be your best new friend. Then watch Boozer walk away next season (or be stupid enough to use your bird rights on a player who deserves neither a max contract or a 7 year deal.)

This is why we mock you.

""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan

by SavageBeast on Feb 4, 2010 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

1 and done?

Boozer is no Webber. Webber was 25 when he came hear and just stepping into his prime. Although Boozer is still 28 1/2 , he has peeked. And I can all but personally guarantee that Jason Thompson’s career will match that of Boozer. I’ve always liked Boozer, but he is not the answer. Which brings me to my final point. There is no ANSWER at this stage of our rebuilding. We havn’t got a good enough look at this baby core to know what the answer is. Even Trading Kevin and JT, plus Armstrong for salary, for Bosh which is the only thing close to an Adult Trade isn’t a sure thing. Bosh is no defensive monster and he’s not even a monster on the block. He’s a face-up guy. So stop talking about sophmoric trades. PLEASE.

by Can'tSufferFools on Feb 5, 2010 3:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Trading Kevin Martin for expirings is ridiculous

But I can’t help you there. I think that Spencer can evolve into the Kings primary big offensive threat and be very good at it. I think he simply needs a defensive complement, a guy like Tyrus Thomas would be perfect (who himself could be a 20/10 guy).

I believe the Kings are going to use this entire year to evaluate Evans/Martin. If they can’t make it work in that much time, then I’ll think its time to move Kevin, but pairing up Tyreke with a true (I’m assuming pass first) point guard, doesn’t make sense to me. Tyreke is not an effective off the ball player. He needs the ball in his hands. Thus, you need to pair him with someone who can shoot the ball well in spot up situations and just in general, to give him someone to kick out too. Thats why I don’t like Iguodala or Howard in the Kings backcourt, they’re games match Reke’s too much. Give me someone like Eric Gordon. Now if you want a point guard to move Reke to the two, guys with games like Kings-era Mike Bibby, or Mo Williams now (Cleveland knew what they were doing there).

As for the draft, I love Favors, am warming up to Aldrich, and I like Epke Udoh and Patrick Patterson. I don’t like (for this team) Al-Farouq Aminu, Donatas Motiejunas, or DeMarcus Cousins.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Sad, but true

It strikes my as sadly funny that when you suggest a trade you believe would help the team we ALL want to see win, everyone starts to pull their hair left (or what little they have left). “Don’t come in here and make trade talk”! If the only option is to build around what we have, and I’m not saying that is a bad idea, then it will take several more years before we can be like a Portland and compete in the West. Guys like Al Jefferson are out there, and they can spark a team and push them towards the playoffs. That’s what happened when we got Webber, a cast off, he changed the dynamic on this team and the rest was history. I think we’re only a player or two away from being very good in the next year or two, but I find it childish that people are hypersensitive and get defensive to any trade talk. Pathetic! I’m done, enjoy your 20 win team.

by 1 and done on Feb 4, 2010 8:12 AM PST up reply actions  

You didn't mention Al Jefferson

You were talking about Boozer.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Trade talk

We get tired of it because we’ve heard it before. To discuss trades further, you could visit the Asinine Trade Thread in the recommended fanpost section. After several hundred comments, see if you still think we hate trade talk.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Feb 4, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Also

You posted an almost identical comment in the recap of the Denver game. With an identical response.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Feb 4, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Write something original

And people will stop tearing their hair out.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Feb 4, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Kings should trade for Kris Humphries!

Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

We've heard the 'Trade Kevin' argument sooooo many times

and proposing to trade both he and JT for a Mecenary like Boozer -
just stop. Suddenly last nights game in which we scored 113 points shows something with our offense isn’t working?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 4, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Trade talks...bleh

It’s not that people are hypersensitive around here. I don’t think anyone minds trade talk, even outside of the Asinine Trade Talk thread, as long as it makes sense for the team.

We’re rebuilding. If were were able to make it to the playoffs with this team (the way it is now), GREAT. Otherwise, we’re looking to rebuild through the draft and next year’s (or the year after’s) free agency pool.

It seems to me that Petrie has most of the pieces assembled, and all he needs is a big man who can defend the paint. Once we lock up the inside, perimeter defenders can guard their players closer.

Obtaining said defensive big man is the key concern here—who can we get that will compliment this core? Al Jefferson and Boozer, while above average players at their positions aren’t a good fit for this team. Aykis mentioned why Boozer wouldn’t be good, and Jefferson wouldn’t be that much of an upgrade, defensively. The answer? How about a Dalembert-type player? There are positives and negatives to him, as well as others, but my main point is that when you talk about trades, you need to consider how “X” player will fit into Geoff Petrie’s scheme.

I have and will continue to enjoy this 20-win team. Although they break my heart sometimes, at least they’re trying. I think their strong play earlier in the year raised everyone’s (including my own) expectations to such a high level we forgot our pre-season expectations.

Lastly, if you still don’t understand why many here don’t want to acquire just for the sake of being an eight-seed in this year’s playoffs, read this article.

by clicc916 on Feb 4, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

sidetrack...

Aykis, I’m curious…why the ‘no’ on Cousins and Aminu?

by sactoreg on Feb 4, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I like Cousins. He is a load...

…reminds me a little of Brenden Haywood. Not overwhelmingly physical (despite being big) or polished, but if he gets it in deep, it’s over.

by R-Man on Feb 4, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Cousins gives me a huge Eddy Curry vibe

or Derrick Coleman. All the physical gifts in the world, but its just like he doesn’t care.

As for Aminu, I actually do like him, I just don’t think he’d fit in with the Kings. That’s why I made the caveat of for this team. I think I’d rather see Donté develop. Aminu is a good player in my opinion, just not for our system, which is going to need shooters to surround Tyreke. Now if Aminu could play the 4? Possibly.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha! I just checked Draft Express

And Cousins best case scenario is Taller Al Jefferson (agree there)
and his worst case is Derrick Coleman on his worst days (Really agree there)

Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

This is funny

Favors best case scenario, according to DX, is a “prime” Antonio McDyess, and worst case is Chris Wilcox. LOL

I always love these comparisons. Tyreke Evans, if I remember right, according to DX, compared Reke to Larry Hughes.

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 4, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember the Larry Hughes blast

Made me think" Why the hell would I want Larry Hughes?" So funny now.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Feb 4, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Not to get all religious

but I pray for Tyrus Thomas.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Feb 4, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

SOLOMON ALABI

Monster

"HARK! BUT LOOK OVER HERE, IT'S A COST CONTROLLED COCO CRISP! DOES MY USE OF ALLITERATION HYPNOTIZE YOU?" (PL78)

by Player To Be Named Later on Feb 4, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you Aykis?

You’re the first person that agrees with me that Tyreke has to play the point to be special. He absolutely has to have the ball in his hands to be the best player he can be. Trying to make a 2guard out of him will just make him a great 2guard, not a FORCE.

by Can'tSufferFools on Feb 5, 2010 3:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Tyreke isn't fully developed, and could very well end up being a force at the 2

He has the length, quickness, handle & strength now, which makes him special. But, his outside shooting is undeveloped. If his shooting stroke continues to get better, he will be an All-Star at either position.

His skill set won’t be negated by having to work with a playmaking PG. In fact, if the entire team is working to get open, instead of standing around watching Tyreke break down his man, everyone on the team will be getting better opportunities. And, if the opportunities don’t come early in the shot clock, the PG gets Evans the ball with 10 secs left and Tyreke does his thing, just like now.

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by HighTops on Feb 5, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

The only drawback

Is that Tyreke is such a handful for opposing point guards to match up with…moving him to the 2 takes away some of what makes him special. So if you have Reke at the point and another large guard at the 2, that’s a matchup nightmare for opponents (obviously, that theory hasn’t come to pass yet with Martin/Evans).

In essence, you may be improving slightly at the 2, but may be downgrading substantially at the 1.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Feb 5, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

1 and done, ARE YOU DONE?

Boozer is no Webber. Webber was 25 when he came hear and just stepping into his prime. Although Boozer is still 28 1/2 , he has peeked. And I can all but personally guarantee that Jason Thompson’s career will match that of Boozer. I’ve always liked Boozer, but he is not the answer. Which brings me to my final point. There is no ANSWER at this stage of our rebuilding. We havn’t got a good enough look at this baby core to know what the answer is. Even Trading Kevin and JT, plus Armstrong for salary, for Bosh which is the only thing close to an Adult Trade isn’t a sure thing. Bosh is no defensive monster and he’s not even a monster on the block. He’s a face-up guy. So stop talking about sophmoric trades. PLEASE.

by Can'tSufferFools on Feb 5, 2010 3:38 AM PST up reply actions  

wow

Spot on, could not agree more

Just because you might get cap room it doesn’t mean you can get who you want to play here. Two years ago the Warriors lose Baron Davis and they sign Corey Magette, that kind of signing would not excite me

by Murf on Feb 4, 2010 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Let it play out

This is a lost season – there’s no harm in keeping Martin and Evans in the backcourt the remainder of the season. That should be plenty of time to evaluate their compatibility.

Tell me this…is Kevin’s trade value going to decrease in the offseason…or next trade deadline?

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Feb 4, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope

You’re right, we should still be able to get expirings for him sooner or later.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 4, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Only if he has a devastating injury.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel like I want to pull my f- ing my hair out if I hear trading Kevin one more time.

He just got back from being off for two months.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 4, 2010 7:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Why fill on defensive hole by digging an offensive one. Makes no sense and it just gets old.

by MustangMBS on Feb 4, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice, you have no answers.

Whatever!

by 1 and done on Feb 4, 2010 7:29 AM PST up reply actions  

You are not the blogosphere police, so you can go and suck it!

by 1 and done on Feb 4, 2010 7:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Andy Gibb, you’re a twat!

by 1 and done on Feb 4, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

ban coming in...

5, 4, 3, 2

We’ll miss you 1 and done.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Feb 4, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Good luck getting rid of your STD’s

by 1 and done on Feb 4, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Funny

I love it that you are, by your own post, an STD. The only question is if are you Syphilis or Herpes. One only takes a dose of antibiotics, hopefully this is you, and the other never goes away.

by MustangMBS on Feb 4, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

You shouldn't insult Syphilis or Herpes that way MBS.

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 4, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

You're bad at this.

But that’s okay, I think of you as having nowhere to go but up, and I wish you the best of luck.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Feb 4, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Good luck finding a job!

by 1 and done on Feb 4, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Still waiting for that upward movement.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Feb 4, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey June 14th is Flag day

further, we could all read posts like this every day by going to Sacbee.com/sports comments section.

oooh boy!

by betweentheeyes on Feb 4, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

This is weak crap

It has been restated and restated. My answer is I got to be to work in 20 minutes and have to go, besides this is not worth it. Aykis can handle you.

by MustangMBS on Feb 4, 2010 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m impressed, you have a job?

by 1 and done on Feb 4, 2010 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

So you can't think of a response to me yet?

so you resort to name calling?

Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 7:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t go around insulting people so I even get to keep it. Sorry you aren’t likely there yet.

by MustangMBS on Feb 4, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Just flag him.

He needs to be gone.

StR Token Female

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 4, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

I did that. I completely agree.

by MustangMBS on Feb 4, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

^my F-ing hair

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 4, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions  

If you ever seriously thought

we weren’t getting a lottery pick, you’re delusional.

This isn’t a lost year, because our young guys are getting better and we’ll get a lottery pick. Grade the year on how much our young guys improve, not on wins and losses, those were never important to this year.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Feb 4, 2010 7:36 AM PST up reply actions  

If we move Martin

We gotta get good value back…more than just expirings. Martin is really cheap for what he provides, and his potential to mesh with Evans is just too good to punt on straight away.

Boozer’s consistency and 20-10 would help in some ways, yes, but he’s not a great defensive post presence, so he doesn’t fill that void. Imagine if we acquire a defense-minded, shotblocking big man (either through draft or trade not involving Martin) — Martin’s perimeter defense may improve, as he’ll have a stopper in the lane he can funnel the offense into. Suddenly ‘defensive deficiencies’ are slightly lessened, and we still have his ability to put up 20+ and get to the line with ease.

While I am not opposed to trading him, it’s gotta be for the right reasons.

by sactoreg on Feb 4, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Speaking of K9

I had been wondering why we were not seeing K9 on the floor especially with JT out. He may have provided better defense at the 4 spot and better rebounding too. Donte only had 3 rebounds.

by KingsFan on Feb 4, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the original thought

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Feb 4, 2010 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I will join the getting ripped party too.

       As for the Evans/Martin combo, I thought was 70% Evans and 30% Martin. Martin disappeared in the 4th.
        You want to build a castle and get some more lumber, I agree. You have some lumber in Evans, Donte (I thought Jerry made some great points with Donte playing the 4 spot), Omri, Brock, and Spencer is showing signs of life again, and hopefully JT will find his way back. I will not include Martin in the lumber.
          I am done with Martin too. If I am in a dark alley I want any other those lumber dudes by my side. If you want to pull your hair out, take a speedball. It is half Rogaine and half Propecia. I have tried it and still am bald.

by noreboundsnorings on Feb 4, 2010 7:37 AM PST reply actions  

I'll agree on the 70% Evans and 30% Martin for last night.

But I think you have to give the combination the rest of the year before you make a decision on the future. If they can’t gel to form a good combo in that much time? Then yeah, I might start to agree with you.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Children want what they want when they want it.

And it seems like some people never outgrow this type of neediness.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Feb 4, 2010 7:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry for your hair problem.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 4, 2010 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Just be sure to was what you have

Twice a day with a touch of lemon and honey. And a good conditioner is a must.

El pelo limpio es el mejor. ¡Sí!

by shampooforyou on Feb 4, 2010 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

wash

El pelo limpio es el mejor. ¡Sí!

by shampooforyou on Feb 4, 2010 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

It's easy for everyone to rip Martin when he's shooting 38%

Try it when he’s hitting half his shots and putting up 25-30 PPG…if you still want him gone then, we’ll talk about it.

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by Player To Be Named Later on Feb 4, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Results

I liked the line – up last night. I didn’t miss JT whining or his poor play and thought Donte did a OK job filling in at the PF spot. I thought Hawes played another good game. When he is aggressive he’s fun to watch. I think he’s a leader, but he needs to be committed to his team. Otherwise he reminds me of B. Miller – meaning not sure who I’m getting night in and night out. I’ve never been huge Caspi fan, rookie All star or not. His passing game needs lots of work. In fact I am not really thrilled with Kings passing in general. The coaching staff rotations bother me sometimes. For instance I don’t understand why Hawes was pulled after a few minutes of 1rst q. play. He was playing good – course admittedly I didn’t understand Adelmans rotations either so what the heck.
I’m a fair weather fan. After 5 or 6 losses I switch to DVR cuz I can’t stand to watch them lose. We maybe building, we may have potential, but we sure as hell aren’t producing winning results.

by tomebe on Feb 4, 2010 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

I didn't miss JT either

I’m sorry to say this but at this point he hurts the team being out there. Of course I’m talking about the way he’s been playing lately. I say give him 5-7 minutes to play and if he doesn’t show anything yank him.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Feb 4, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

PW pulled Hawes because Pops pulled Duncan,

I guess PW thought our 21 yr old needed as much rest as their 34 yr old. Or, maybe it’s because Hawes isn’t used to playing 31mpg.

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by HighTops on Feb 4, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Right, Hawes played every minute Duncan did

and a few more.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 4, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Saving fouls too

though Hawes didn’t end up in foul trouble, PW had to be worried about Duncan getting him in foul trouble.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Feb 4, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

The view from section 102...

First off: whatever your position is on Martin, it is absolutely ridiculous to suggest trading him for anything less than a young, talented big right now. And guess what – that trade ain’t out there without having to completely detroy the salary cap or giving away other very valuable pieces of this team. That is simply not happening…

To the game: aside from the brutal defense, it was pretty entertaining. The game is starting to slow down for Spencer as he is rarely rushing his offensive moves and is starting to understand where he thrives on the floor. I doubt that he will never become a dynamic rebounder, but if he learns to box out more consistently, he would become a much more complete player. He is definitely making solid progress though…

Defensively, they were awful, but it really looks as if PW is focusing almost all of his in game direction towards that end of the floor. He called at least 3 timeouts last night to immediately address a missed defensive assignment, which is exactly what he needs to do. Whatever hair Sergio had left was singed off when Westphal lit him on fire coming off the floor on the blown Hill play…

Lastly, that was an interesting DNP-CD for Beno last night. I know his ankle is bothering him and PW wanted to give him some rest, but usually, players love to go against their old teams and coaches love to let them. Totally from my gut and not some huge revelation, but I could really see Beno moved at the deadline along with K9…

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by Mcamp49 on Feb 4, 2010 8:23 AM PST reply actions  

I really think Beno was hurting.

Noc missed a game against the Bulls with a hip pointer this season. Beno would have played if he could.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 8:25 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

And Noce got sidelined for half a season for plantar fascitiis when he was with the Bulls.

It took Scott Skiles 3 tries to get him on the injured list. The first time, Noce supposedly growled at Skiles, the second time, he ignored Skiles. The third time was when he kept limping in a game. Afte that, he made the announcement in a rpess conference and left without answering any questions.

So if Beno has plantar fascitiis, it could really explain his last few games as well as last night’s DNP-CD.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Feb 5, 2010 1:56 AM PST up reply actions  

this is a great example of the little random tid bits of information i love getting here

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 5, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Beno has plantar fascitis

Which is his foot, not his ankle, has been playing through the pain all season and sat out last night.

Remember Peja and his boot for half a season? It’s an incredibly painful condition for a regular person. For an athlete who has to run, it must be excruciating.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 4, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I had / have it

It’s been coming and going for several years now. There are days when it hurts every step and the thought of running and jumping when it’s that bad – is ridiculous.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 4, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I am not questioning the injury…

It has been a chronic condition with him for a while now. And last night on the pregame show, Gerold was saying that both his foot and ankle were bothering him. I only question the timing of the missed game (due to who they were playing) and the fact that he sat for the entire ballgame – I was suprised that he didn’t give it a go. Nothing more, nothing less…

As for the rest of it, I just feel like the luster of Beno’s early season hot streak has worn off – whether that is due to his injury flaring up or due to him simply cooling off, who knows? I just think that with Rodriguez playing relatively well and Garcia coming back sooner or later, Beno could be on the block.

"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."

by Mcamp49 on Feb 4, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Beno is going to be on the block no matter what I think

Mainly because of his contract.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Beno can't be on the block

because he’s untradable. The moment an offer comes along with a less crappy contract attached than Beno’s, he’d be moved.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Feb 4, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

The only way I could see it happening...

is with K9. All year, theories have been tossed out that Noc would be moved with Thomas’ expiring contract – Beno might take Noc’s place if the deal is right. I doubt it will happen, but it all depends on how big of a financial pinch some other teams are in relation to the cap and the luxury tax. If they absolutely need K9’s contract, then they might have to take Beno along with it…

"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."

by Mcamp49 on Feb 4, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

The Kings interior defense is bad we all know that . . .

but is it a problem of personnel or defensive strategy. Maybe PW has a great defensive scheme that just can’t be implemented by our big men. Maybe they need to double team more often and take the chances of the other team hitting their outside shots.
24-27 within 5 feet is a damn good percentage from down low. Could any team hit that many outside shots? Of course you would need to rebound their misses . . .

Until the Kings make a trade for a great interior defender ( and I have no idea about the likelihood of this happening) maybe clogging up the middle and giving teams open jump shots is lesser of the two defensive evils?

I’m completely ignoring the offense at this point because if the Kings defense improves at all we WILL start winning games.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Feb 4, 2010 8:31 AM PST reply actions  

Usually the Kings outscore their opponents in the paint and at the rim.

Yes, SAS had a productive night at the rim, but so did the Kings who were 64% at the rim. You have to look at who was scoring and how. Manu was 5-5 at the rim, Duncan was 6-6, and Blair was 6-7. Duncan had 3 of his 6 off assists, and Blair had 5 of his 6 off assists. Manu had 5 assists that were scored at the rim.

It was the breakdown away from the paint on the pick & rolls, that lead to 12 assisted baskets at the rim. So, you could say that if we had a world class shot blocker sitting in the paint, the Spurs wouldn’t have gotten those 24 buckets. I think if we had even average talent away from the basket, there wouldn’t have been as much penetration into the paint or so many easy assists.

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by HighTops on Feb 4, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

We are awful on pick and rolls

There are four things we can do when the other team runs the pick and roll:

1. The guy defending the ball-handler can go over the top. This allows the ball-handler to get around the screen and take the ball to the basket. Not as much of a problem if we had a legitimate shot-blocker, but since we don’t this isn’t a very good option.

2. The guy defending the ball-handler can go underneath. This allows the ball-handler space to put up a shot. It’s problematic when the other team is hitting their outside shots, but I think this is still better than letting them get to the bucket against our poor interior defense.

3. Switch it. This is only a good idea if you don’t get horribly mismatched when you switch, like Omri getting switched onto George Hill when he shoved him out of bounds because he had no hope of keeping up with him.

4. Double the ball-handler. This is a good idea only if the screener isn’t an explosive scorer or a dead-eye shooter. Leaving Matt Bonner to double the ball last night = not a good idea (yes, I know he missed them, but the point stands).

With the personnel we have, option 1 is pretty much out; you have to have a good shot-blocker to alter or block the shots at the basket, since they’re likely getting to the basket if your guard goes over the top of the screen. Option 2 works only if they’re not hitting their outside shots, which doesn’t seem to happen very often.

The Kings seem to do a lot of switching on screens, and though we have the personnel for it in some cases, it usually doesn’t work. We have a foul-prone team, and that’s what tends to happen when we switch screens. Omri shoving Hill out of bounds was a perfect example; he couldn’t keep up with him, and instead just rammed him with the shoulder to keep him from getting to the basket. It’s not a horrible idea to do once in a while, but consistently switching and leaving guys like Donte Greene to cover Ginobili just doesn’t work.

What I think they SHOULD do more of is double-team the ball-handler. This is more effective when you have a shot-blocker, as if they are able to pass out of the double-team there should be someone open, but it seems that this is the best strategy for defending a screen. Most of the Kings’ opponents do this to the Kings, and it seems to work pretty well. You force the ball-handler to either make an immediate decision or be hemmed in by two players, one of which is usually a big guy with long arms. They just need to make sure not to foul, which is easier said than done with our group of guys, but I’d really like to see the Kings double-team the ball-handler on screens more often, and switch less often.

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by Player To Be Named Later on Feb 4, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they either should switch or go under and hope they miss the jump shot

We should be baiting teams to shoot more jumpers. Minimize lay-ups and shots within 5 ft.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Feb 4, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, you need a real goaltender to double the ball-handler

we don’t have one of those.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 4, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Lots of good stuff here

but let me expand on it a bit.
1 works if the screeners man can step out and impede the progress of the ball handler, and allow the other defender time to come over the top and cut below his teammate to get back in front of the ball handler. The danger is that the screener cut to the basket.

2 works if the pick & roll is inside the 3pt arc. Then even if the player shots, he’s taking a low percentage long range jumper.

3 the team should know who they want to switch on depending who’s guarding. Tyreke can switch onto any screener no matter his size. but Sergio and Beno not so much.

4 I like your explaination, but again it depends on what more dangerous, leaving the ball in Manu’s hands or making him pass. Plus, there are 3 other players on the court, and this is where the Kings fail more often than not. The screener is usually a big, who in general don’t handle the ball well. If you can have the wing or weakside guard rotate to defend the screener, the ball handler is forced to make a more difficult pass to get out of the double team. And, you still have your other big for help at the basket, should the ball handler break the double team.

There are multiple plays and set that can be run out of the Pick & Roll and that’s why it’s been successful. All the defense can really do is take the high percentage shot away and hope for the best. A real goal tender at the basket is a great last resort but only as a last resort or after someone blows his assignment.

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by HighTops on Feb 4, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Given the NBA coaching exposure and college (or lack of) instruction

could it be that there is an unrealistic expectation that JT and Spencer understand how to perform the P&R and just were never taught or never learned it?

by betweentheeyes on Feb 4, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Spencer and Donte looked pretty good

it was Brockman, Tyreke & Sergio, who seemed to not understand. And, even if they never saw it in college, they should have worked on it since summer league. It is one of the most used sets in the NBA.

The decision of whether or not to double or switch should be done by the coaches in the pregame planning session. The rest is pretty standard stuff. The thing I saw that was creating to most problem, was that the big either didn’t come out with the screener, so he wasn’t in position to show, or he didn’t stay with the show long enough for the man being screened to catch up with the play. This is usually because the big is too worried about covering his man (the screener) or he doesn’t trust the weakside help to pick up his man.

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by HighTops on Feb 5, 2010 1:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Great Game

I thought last night was a very entertaining game. I know everyone is bummed about losing another close game but the Kings lost to a team with Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobli. Both of those players are better than any player the Kings have atm. Also George Hill and Blair played out of their minds and still the Kings had a shot to win in the final 5 minutes.

We all know about the Kings’ defense. It’s terrible. I was a bit surprised that Udoka got as few minutes as he did because when he was out there he defended Hill and Ginobli fairly well. We all know Kevin and Sergio can’t guard worth a lick so having them on Hill and Ginobli is fairly worthless. With little interior defense, the Kings just couldn’t stop the precise SA offense.

I think that if the Kings can keep playing the way they did last night, they will beat any team that’s .500 or less.

As far as the Evans-Martin combo goes, I think they did fairly good for the first 3 quarters and then Evans took over and Martin choked up. I have always had my doubts about Martin being clutch in the fourth quarter. Throughout his career I think I can count his game winning shots on one hand. He just doesn’t have the “killer instinct.” Martin is a fantastic scorer but I think that in the fourth quarter the Kings need to put their best defenders on the floor. I would have rather seen Udoka in there instead of Martin and let Tyreke and Spencer run the offense.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Feb 4, 2010 8:48 AM PST reply actions  

I believe Kevin has 3 game winners

1 against Chicago, 1 against Seattle, and 1 in the playoffs against San Antonio.

Tyreke has 3 already, 1 against Milwaukee, 1 against Denver, and I’m counting his game winning steal against Washington as well.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

That's an overrated statistic.

Because your team is down 15 points when the last shot goes up, instead of 2, if Kevin doesn’t play. The guy who makes the last shot is the hero, and the other guys who scored the other 100 are just along for the ride.

I’m getting to the point where I almost hope we do dump Martin to a contender for expirings, and he comes in here and scorches us for 40 four times a year, or better yet, dominates us the hell out of the playoffs the next time we get in.

I’ll mourn the Kings getting beat, but be ever so pleased that the impatient among us got their way.

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by andy sims on Feb 4, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm halfway with you

While it can’t be ignored that a guy like Kevin may be the only reason that you’re in a close game at the end, you still need someone that can finish the job. When ’Reke takes over a game at the end I shake my head in astonishment. When Martin “takes over a game” at the end, I shake my head in embarrassment. Coffee is for closers.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 4, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I count 'Reke's "big balls" shot in The Comeback as a game-winner too

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by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 4, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

The comeback was Ime and Brockman in my opinion.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Two years ago

Martin was extremely clutch, with a .575 eFG% in clutch situations. The last two years have been bad, no question.

I can’t get onboard with playing Udoka over him though.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Feb 4, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Last Night

I meant last night 4 3. Not every game.

When you are playing against Ginobli, Marting can not guard him and with the Kings trailing by more than 5, I believe that the better defender should be on the floor because if you can’t stop the opponent, you are not going to catch up and win.. Udoka would have been a much better fit (or even Evans) but you can’t move Martin to cover Hill either.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Feb 4, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes interior defense, but specifically pick and roll defense

They could NOT defend the pick and roll (see 2nd quarter when Blair scored approximately 6 consecutive uncontested layups). PW went through Hawes, Brockman, and Armstrong to try and stop the pick and roll

There’s not a lot of point to picking specific players (i.e. Sergio – because he had a couple strong defensive plays with an overall flavor of defensive liability), but the point is that the defensive effort (and maybe the defensive scheme) has to improve, and in this game it was pick and roll defense. I never once saw the standard ‘show’ by the big man and recovery underneath by the player guarding the ball, I saw it attempted, but not successfully. More often I saw Hill go to the hoop and score or pass to Blair/Duncan unguarded at the hoop. No weak-side defenders were rotating to the Spurs screener. One memorable time Martin at least tried, he ducked to avoid getting steamrolled by Blair’s dunk.

I saw a lack of effort, but more than that I saw a lack of defensive ability/training/coaching/confidence/scheme/competence.

by samjnickels on Feb 4, 2010 9:13 AM PST reply actions  

This is a good comment

Hawes was the only one that did a competant job on the pick and roll, and his problem was getting back to Duncan fast enough to box him out, which he couldn’t do and Duncan destroyed us with putbacks.

You’re right though that Brockman especially looks horrible when asked to defend the pick and roll. Armstrong is also bad, especially when given his body type, he should actually be good at it. The coaches are not getting through to these guys how to play the pick and roll yet.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Feb 4, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I saw a lack of defensive ability/training/coaching/confidence/scheme/competence

I agree. But, the pick & roll parade started when PW pulled Hawes at the 4:02 of the first and put in Brockman. Manu, Hill, & Blair went on a terror running the pick & roll, and Brockman made some terrible decisions. Once after a switch he actually left the ball to go and find Blair which lead to an open 3.

The quarter ended with Manu driving to the rim, and then getting an assist on a Blair lay up. After the 2nd quarter started with another layup by Blair on another assist by Manu, PW mercifily pulled Brockman for May, 15 seconds into the quarter. May lasted 69 seconds before PW pulled him for Hilton, after Blair & Manu combined for their 3rd lay up and assist in a 2:22 span.

I know TZ thought that Sergio was the main focus of PW’s anger latter in the game when he and Brockman blew another pick & roll, but Sergio was in the game at the end of the 1st quarter and he stayed in the game while PW used a quick hook on his PF’s. So, Sergio probably got more attention from PW than he really deserved.

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by HighTops on Feb 4, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I think PW was pissed at Sergio that moment, but our non-Hawes bigs were a total disaster playing the pick and roll in the first half.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Feb 4, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

lttg's veiw

Mustang and I caught the game last night and had a good time. The Kings traded blow for blow with the Spurs all night in front of 13,000 or so.

All of TZ’s points stand, but In my view the game was won at the FT line and by Dujuan Blair. 9 more made Fts on 9 more attempts, and another burly, scrappy non star PF, Blair this time, he of the 7.2 pts avg., looked like a Star attacking the basket against our front line.
What was dissappointing in Blair’s performance was how poorly Brockman played against him, a match-up we thought would be fairly even and entertaining and were eager to watch. This was not to be. Brockman was completely ineffective in his 15 minutes both as a defender and as a rebounder.
The Spurs whole scheme on both sides of the ball is to make the opponent as uncomfortable as possible, to break up any flow or rythm of any kind on offense or defense and then to exploit and attack through that ugliness which they are accustomed to. This makes even a high scoring affair like last night seem disjointed and uneven.
This type of play has the most effect on the more rythm dependant guys like Kevin Martin and yes, Richard Jefferson who just may not ever be the answer in their system.
Interior players, who are much less rythm dependant, often have opportunities to push through the confusion and score easy baskets in the paint – in which it seemed the Spurs were camped out in all night. I’d like to review the tape and see just how many uncalled 3 second violations there were. If I’m wrong on that, well, it just shows how confusing their sets can be to an opponent and to a viewer.

As to KM in the 4th, they got exactly what they wanted. Go view the tape of this game. Every (well, several) time Kevin hit a shot that seemed like he was developing a rythm, no matter what the score or situation, Pop called a time-out.
IMO Pop had decided that Reke was too young to worry about much, was determined that KM wouldn’t beat them and had designed most of his defensive plan to disrupt Kevin at key moments. Tyreke made him pay for that and Pop may reconsider next time or not, as they did win the game.
I have more – but gotta work!

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 4, 2010 9:42 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Interesting take about the Spurs' "disruption" techniques

rec’d

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by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 4, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, third game in a row where the margin of victory came at the FT line.

we really do need to learn how to defend without fouling.

As for Kevin, I said in my pregame comments that Kevin needed to attack the basket before he started jacking up the long ball. Tim Duncan got his 2nd foul with 4:32 left in the 1st quarter and ended the game with 4 total. The paint should have been open for both Martin and Tyreke. Martin took 12 of his 17 shots from beyond 16 ft and only took 4 shot inside of 10 ft. Martin is only an efficient shooter because of the ‘and 1’s’ and 3pt attempt, but he’s actually only hitting 39% of his shots. So, until he gets into a rythmn he needs to start shooting higher percentage shot, and forget about the long 2 and 3’s.

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by HighTops on Feb 4, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

That is some Hubie Brown knowledge right there.

Kevin is in a slump. What is the best way to get out of a slump? How do you break a shooting slump? Well … your best way to do this kind of thing is to drive and get to the line.

That was my horrible Hubie impression. I am not Bill Simmons. Sorry.

But it definitely would have been nice if anyone had continued to attack Timmy and get him out of the game. That is, if the refs would have called any.

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by Ice_9ine on Feb 4, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Kevin rarely drives all the way to the rim

Its up to front line players and ‘true’ penetrators, of which we have one, to drive against the big guy.
Once again, 113 points scored. Kevin’s offense wasn’t the problem and had nothing to do with this loss.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 4, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Overall an OK game, but lots to improve

A couple of random thoughts:

First: A + B = C
A) When a team scores a lot of points and still loses it ain’t the offense. B) When the bigs on teams consistently score and look like all-stars when they aren’t it ain’t the guard’s fault. C) We got beat because we couldn’t match up against Blair. He scored way too much. Duncan you can expect to score and Spencer did a good job on him, but Blair killed us.

Those Dudes are old!
It seems that you have to be 30 years old to play for the Spurs. I averaged out the ages on the floor and it was over 30 and that was without Finley, 33, 34, 30, 30, 24 = 30.2 years. We should have run them into the ground. Watching them try to match up against our small ball line up was a trip. The weirdest line up I ever saw the Spurs play and it took some of their best scoring assets, mainly Duncan, off the floor.

Overall, I actually thought it was an OK game. As lttg says they really traded blows and, to me looked more consistent. Sure, they went down by 8 pts. in the first half and 11 in the second, but fought back in the first and almost got there in the second half…

There is something weird going on and I think I see some of it. I am not a sports shrink or anything, but the guys get motivated when they are on a roll or behind. Pretty much nothing else. Many of the players don’t seem to have either the discipline or drive to stay fired up otherwise… The slow and grinding games really kill their youthful exuberance. It really is the reason, IMO, as to why the fast transition games gets them going.

There were just too many plays where the team showed no life. The guys just stood around and didn’t move without the ball. No passing, few assists, and a game that ground on at the pace set by the Spurs. The Spurs set the tone of this game, kept a young team off-balance/ out of sync (nailed it lttg), and won a game that otherwise could have been ours.

by MustangMBS on Feb 4, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

It seems to me that to whatever extent the 'Reke/Martin backcourt is "not working"

has as much to do with Martin simply missing shots that he usually makes. The only game I can remember where he really played like the Kevin we know and love was the Utah game, the one game where the Speed Freke backcourt made sense. Am I just letting him off the hook too easy? I certainly don’t consider myself a Kevin Martin apologist, but couldn’t it really just be as simple as Martin being in a prolonged shooting slump that he’ll eventually shake off?

Of course, there could be several different reasons for the shooting slump, one of which may be an incompatibility with Tyreke as his PG. I just don’t see that as the case right now. I see a good shooter in a really bad shooting slump.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 4, 2010 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

In a similar vein

I just thought Kevin missed some shots last night that he normally makes. No big deal. Had he made a couple of them, everyone would be singing the praises of Tyreke and Kevin and we would have won the game. For some people to want to trade Kevin for that is just crazy thinking. We came close to winning that game last night. We lost it on our poor defense. No surprise there.

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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 4, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe in the past he hit those shots,

but through 41 games Martin has the lowest shooting accuracy on the entire team. He is only hitting on 40.1% of all his shots. And his high attempt rate on shots beyond 15 ft isn’t helping his average. Ever since his ankle injury of last year, he isn’t the same player who used to drive into the paint looking to make a short range jumper and draw contact for the and 1. Now, he drives and begs for a call everytime someone comes close.

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by HighTops on Feb 4, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I stand corrected.

I do see that he hitting less than 40% on his shooting, although he is shooting 85% at the line this season and 89% last season. This could explain why he is looking for calls. But, I must say that I am surprised to see this drop on his shooting.

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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 4, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It's really

just his mid-range game that’s fallen off. He’s still hitting 3s at a really good rate, so it’s not all of his outside shooting. Once he finds his touch on those 10-15 footers, he’ll be back to wowing us.

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by Viliphied on Feb 4, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Martin hasn't played 41 games

I know what you are saying. But the inference is that Martin has lost his touch. The truth of the matter is his numbers are pulled down by the injury. He started out the season shooting better.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 4, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, Martin hasn't played 41 games, but that's when I did my analysis

He did start the season shooting better than he is now, but I think my evaluation on the types of shots he’s taking is still valid. Even JR said during the telecast, that Martin seems to be hunting of a call from the ref too often. And, that’s how it was last season when he was playing injured.

The Martin I want to see is the one that takes it into the paint and gets off a good shot. And, if he gets fouled then so much the better. But, throwing up 3 after 3 after 3 when your not hitting them, and your team could use a 2 just as badly, well we have Noc for that.

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by HighTops on Feb 5, 2010 1:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Part of that may be

He’s trying to not let opponents clog up the paint for both Tyreke and himself.

Just throwing it out there.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 5, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

At least

this game down the stretch the team just missed some decent shots, that is easier to live with as opposed to the Denver game in the 3rd quarter when they just decided to throw the ball into the crowd, off their own feet just straight to the opposition

by Murf on Feb 4, 2010 11:08 AM PST reply actions  

These KMart talks again

Yes missing that lay up was horrible but come on booing him off the court is not going to help him in his confidence. but on the flip side its been stated I dont think K-mart should be going anywhere but if he does i wouldnt mind k-mart for Monte which matched with Reke would be a hell of a 1 – 2 punch cause who would you guard? hes agressive and can really move without the ball.

also on another note i really disagree with PW in the 4th with playing Brockman as long as he did Spence did well for us and i honestly think we could of pulled it off with him on the court. and when Sergio was in a one point the ball movement was at a hault the only moving was
running all over the place and confusing the rest of the teams positions and one to top it off where KMart got the 24sec violation serge could of passed it to him long ago intead of dishing it to poor Kmart with 2 sec on the clock.

and as for the draft i really hope to get Favors, but cousin looks to be our future which im kinda concerned

by NorCalBRD on Feb 4, 2010 6:12 PM PST reply actions  

I have watched a ton of Warrior games and attended a few as well

please please please no talk of Monta Ellis. yuck, pleeh, ewww (bad taste sounds).

by betweentheeyes on Feb 4, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I've never been to Roaracle

I don’t want to, and I don’t care. I still don’t want Monta Ellis.

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 4, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

And if you look at career earnings, Monta Ellis will end up making significantly more than what Kevin will over the same 9 year span.

I consider that great value all told.

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 4, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't imagine any sensible front office wanting to deal with a guy who

broke his contract, injured himself, lied about it, complained about the aftermath (which was almost a contract cancel, he got off easy) and has been an occassional distraction in the papers.

I could see him in with Dubs, Clips, Washington, Philly maybe PHX and that is about it.

by betweentheeyes on Feb 5, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

It still boggles my mind that GS fans love Ellis as much as they do.

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 5, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

People would be booing Ellis too if he were here

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 5, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

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