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Suns Pound Kings (Where Else?) Inside, Win 114-102

On Wednesday, the Spurs went 24-27 from within five feet of the rim. Of course, the Spurs have Manu Ginobili (a brilliant slasher and finisher), Tim Duncan (a brilliant post player) and DeJuan Blair (a brilliant offensive rebounder). The Suns have ... Amar'e Stoudemire. And yet, the Suns also dominated the paint, going 16-19 en route to a 114-102 win that wasn't really that close. Phoenix had an effective field goal percentage of .843 near the rim. They shot .432 everywhere else. PROBLEM!

The Kings, near the rim, against that porous, thin, weak Phoenix defense? 17-26, for an eFG of .654, which isn't too bad (like the Kings offense in total) but sure as hell ain't making up for the devastating weakness at the other end.

Star-divide

With the Kings defense playing so, so poorly, everyone basically needs to shoot the moon out of the sky. But the team went 3-13 from long-range (0-4 combined from Tyreke Evans and Kevin Martin). The team went 5-21 on the worst shot in basketball, the long two-point jumper. (Donte Greene, who set a career high with 31 points, was brilliant going to the rim. Back here, from about 20 feet? Three of eight. He took one fewer long two-point jumper -- worst shot in basketball -- than the number of shots Martin took from anywhere.)

But really, again, it's the defense. This was a Chuck Person's Defense level of open threes for Phoenix. The Suns only shot 7-22 from deep, but they very well could have hit half of them. Ten of Phoenix's 16 at-the-rim buckets were assisted, six of those assists coming from Steve Nash (of course!). Nash shot well, as always, but you always make him create (for himself or a friend) out on the perimeter. It's amazing to me that teams can gameplan effectively against a rookie like Evans (pack the lane) but this team, the Kings, cannot adjust to limit the penetration of a guy who has been around some 13 seasons, a two-time MVP and eternal All-Star. It's amazing to me. Really, it's as if the Kings had never seen the Nash-Amar'e pick-and-roll before. I'm not even talking about defensive execution, which was piss-poor (aka Jon Brockman can't guard no pick-and-roll). I'm talking about basic strategy. There appeared to be none. If there was and I missed it ... well, there you go. That's how good it was, I guess. So good it was completely invisible to observers.

***

I enjoyed Donte, as always. But this was not his best game. Statistically, yes. 31 points, seven rebounds, one truly outrageous block on a shot that was going out-of-bounds anyway (and another fun block didn't feature a ball flying across the court). The shot selection, though ... eeeek. Even Antoine Walker thought a few of those were out of line.

But going to the rim? Kid's incredible. If Tyreke Evans is looong (he is), The Show is loooooong. Grant Napear appropriately pointed out that outrageous Greene baseline lay-up in which Donte's body was literally on the far side of the rim before he reached back on layed it in off the glass. Plays like that aren't physically possible for most dudes. And The Show is figuring out how to implement those physical gifts into a sensible game. He's not quite there (really, he's often an off-balance jumper waiting to happen) but it's building.

***

I don't know what on Earth to do about the defense. I assume no one in Natomas does either. It's getting worse by the second.

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Well I might be in the minority

but I’m not worried about this team right now. I want to see how they play at the end of the year before getting worried. maybe the all star break can get their minds off of basketball for a little bit and calm them down.

by what_the_crap on Feb 6, 2010 7:18 AM PST reply actions  

You should be worried...

We keep doing the same thing, expecting a different result.

Our Achilles heel is defense. Our defense sucks and will continue to suck until we get a new big who plays defense really well. But instead of getting someone, GP continues to have PW work with the same defensive players, without the help they so desperately need. Until this gets resolved we will continue to have the same result – we will lose.

Here is why you should be worried, very worried. At some point, these losses will begin to negatively impact the overall functioning of the team. We have already seen the fans beginning to boo. This will only exacerbate the problem, and morale will begin to deteriorate. Instead of seeing continued growth and improvement in our young players, we will see a gradual erosion of play and diminished passion.

There needs to be a stop to the bleeding. None of us know what is going on with the general management. There have been trade rumors, but it is unknown whether there will be a new body showing up in Sacramento anytime soon. Management could decide to wait and have PW tinker around with the existing players. If that happens, I believe that PW is going to become frustrated with management, because getting good defense out of the current group of guys is like trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip. If the talent isn’t there, he can’t create it, at least not overnight.

You say that you, “want to see how they play at the end of the year before getting worried.” But, by then, it may be too late. The time for intervention is now. Now is the time to be worried…

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 6, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

^None of us knows

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 6, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

too late for what?

what do you expect from this team, to be in the playoffs? They’ve already made great strides this year. To rebuild a team, it takes time. It’s not going to happen in one year. If you wanna panic, that’s your biz. I’m not going to. it’s the 3rd youngest team, and people are starting to expect WAY too much out of them, like they’re supposed to be the 7 seed in the West or something.

by what_the_crap on Feb 6, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you even read my post?

Because if you did, you missed the whole point.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 6, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

of course I did

you’re argument is that the losses will be negative towards the functioning of the team. But if they lose LESS games this year than they did last year, how is that a negative towards the Kings franchise?

by what_the_crap on Feb 6, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

It is all relative

Last year is gone. I am just looking at what is happening for this year, specifically what could happen to the remainder of this season. If the losses continue to get worse over the remainder of the season, that will have a negative effect on the functioning of the team (specifically the players).

I never mentioned anything about making it to the playoffs or being a 7th seed in the West. You inserted those ideas. That was not part of my thinking. I never said anything about being “negative towards the Kings franchise.” Again, you are inserting things into my comments that were not there. I can see how you might misinterpret my comments when you put words into my mouth.

You still missed my point.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 6, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I never said

that it was you expecting to be a playoff team. I said people are, it seems like.

But we agree to disagree, I guess. No biggie.

by what_the_crap on Feb 6, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Bottom line

We both care about the team, so we are in agreement about the bigger picture. I have just become worried about the team sooner than you have. I think that we probably agree on far more things… you just have more patience and hope for the rest of the season than I do.

No biggie.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 6, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Frustration is the name of the game

getting battered at ARCO is starting to dull the shiny glow of late 2009. Boo birds, lack of intensity, diminished shows of comraderie… the Feb 18th trade deadline needs to arrive just to throw some change in the mix – they seem to have their minds elsewhere (All-Star break, trades?) Currently this team seems to be going through the motions. It is understandable – what are they playing for? (yes, paychecks and all, but their goals have been re-aligned and they are struggling with the concept of playing for the sole purpose of improvement)

I advocate patience, lots and lots of patience. (The patience preacher has spoken)

by betweentheeyes on Feb 6, 2010 7:27 AM PST reply actions  

Patience = Boooooorrrrring

"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken

by thelettere on Feb 6, 2010 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Frustration does seem to be a recurring theme following the loss to the Suns.

I agree that getting battered at Arco last night seems to have something to do with it. I think you hit the nail right on the head – players must be asking themselves what are they playing for. Playing with the sole purpose of improvement is not a lot of fun if there are not a few wins along the way. It must be disheartening to hear the crowd booing at them, when just a couple of months ago they were cheering. If we are feeling frustrated, how must the players be feeling?

I can only hope that we will be the recipient of a new player or two before the February 18th trade line. You advocate patience, but there is still a long way to go before the end of the season. I am not sure that there are too many people like you who have that much patience. You are a saint.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 6, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Frustration is the result of hopelessness

the burden of the fan is to accept that which we cannot change When there is good we embrace it as our own, so too there the choke hold of losing..

what salvation is there? There is hope. The main ingredient of hope is patience

Peace.

by betweentheeyes on Feb 6, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I would disagree with you on your premise.
Frustration is the result of hopelessness

This might be a matter of semantics, but I do not see frustration as a result of hopelessness. Helplessness is a result of hopelessness. I do not think that most fans are feeling hopeless right now. Frustrated, yes. Frustration comes more from a feeling of lack of control, which you alluded to. As fans, we see something that we want to change, but feel frustrated because we are not in control. However, fans do have some options. First, coming to this thread and voicing concerns is a way of collectively having some power. While management and the team may not read these posts directly, some of the fans’ views do make their way indirectly by word-of-mouth to journalists and members of the team. There is the possibility, albeit remote, that fans’ views can indirectly influence the people in power. Second, fans have purchasing power. They can exert this power through the purchase or non-purchase of tickets and Kings’ merchandise.

I do agree with you, though, we have to accept our limit of control and have some trust in the people who are in power. If we don’t have that trust, then we would be unlikely to remain as a fan for very long. Inherent in that trust, there is some confidence that those in power will make the right decisions. I am not sure whether I would chose the word hope. Hope to me sort of implies you hope someone will do something, but you may not be as critical in assessing what decisions are made. Fans may or may not be patient, depending upon their interpretation of what, how, when, and why decisions are made.

I didn’t really intend to go into so much detail in my response to you. I guess to sum it up, I think that we have a different perception of the current frustration some people are expressing.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 6, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 6, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

this is the first time this year

…that I felt like it was last year. I just hope this kind of play doesn’t affect an arena deal.

by markdog333 on Feb 6, 2010 7:28 AM PST reply actions  

this worries me

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 6, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Defense isn't fun

and so, as the song goes, "Girls (and little kids) just wanna (just wanna) have funnnn. Ohhhhh…. they just wannnaa….

"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken

by thelettere on Feb 6, 2010 8:03 AM PST reply actions  

who I feel sorry for

       Sometime in June through August. “Hello, this is John calling from the Sacramento Kings season ticket sales office, I was wondering why you are not renewing your tickets this season after we gave you such a great deal last season?” “Wait, wait, but we are getting another high draft pick this year.” Click.
        I was excited when we were damn near 500. and so were a lot of other fans. But the fans on this site are the diehard fans who understand the process. But how many of those fans who sit in Arco understand the process? If I said 50%, I think I am being generous.
       There is no way in hell the Maloofs want the loses to continue like they have been because attendence will obviously drop. In the beginning of the season there was excitement and the seats were filling up. That ain’t happening now and ain’t going to happen the rest of the season with this type of play. I understand the building process, but most fans do not. And the killer comes when you ask fans again to renew their season tickets, not counting the arena issue. What percentage will renew after the Kings play lateley?
       That is why I see Petrie having to make some sort of splash come trade deadline, he almost has to if John’s from season ticket sales to going to have a chance.
       I have said several times now and so have many others on this site. Get someone help in the middle who can block, rebound, and play “d”. I would be ok with Sammy D. Spence and JT starts and Sammy plays when the defense sucks which may be a lot. Get someone to compliment Evans who can also play defense. I do not think Martin is the answer. Hell, Cisco might be the perfect answer, He plays “D”, has played some point, and can help with the ball handling responsibilities.
     Martin is asked to two things, hit your shot and get to the line. He is not asked to guard the other teams toughest point guard, Evans draws that assignment. He is not asked to guard Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Mello, etc. Donte, your junior in college draws that assignment. And if Martin does not score, it’s time.
      Even though Donte took some ill advised shots last night, the kid has talent, lots of talent. He needs to be on the floor the rest of the year.
      Petrie needs to two things in the next few days and he has the pieces to do it. Get some help in the middle and get Evans his compliment.

by noreboundsnorings on Feb 6, 2010 8:18 AM PST reply actions  

The only part I disagree with

is your characterization of Martin’s effectiveness. What do you count more, Martin’s history of shot-making before this year, the games to start the year when he was healthy and going crazy or his performance since he came back from injury?

In my mind, the only evidence you have Martin won’t make shots is the last few weeks, which seems like a pretty weak argument, even given how terrible Kevin’s been. Now, if you want him gone because he can’t play with Tyreke, never liked him much to begin with, etc, etc, I can understand that. I don’t agree but I understand, but I don’t think Petrie needs to do anything with Martin right now, unless there’s a lot going on in the background we don’t know about; which seems very unlikely given the personalities involved.

I agree with your point about ticket sales to a certain extent though. Its easy for me to sit in MN and preach patience, when the only $$$ I lay out to be a fan of the Kings is for League Pass, I don’t spend my paycheck on game tickets to watch the product while we’re patient.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Feb 6, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

The Latest Excuse

Now Kevin is blaming the fans at Arco for his poor performance. I was at the game last night, and he looked like a zombie. Strictly going through the motions.

If he can’t play at home and he misses a lot of games due to injury, what exactly are you getting for $11 million a year?

I’m not in the “trade him just to trade him” camp, but this marriage is headed for breakup sooner or later. If he can moved by the deadline in a deal that positions the Kings well for the future, I am all for it.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Now Kevin is blaming the fans at Arco for his poor performance.

Where is this coming from? Did he say something?

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 6, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Post game interview that was played on the radio

It was very telling. I’ll see if I can find it.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

This is all i got so far

Kevin Martin
"It just wasn’t me out there. I have been here for five years and I just don’t feel the same out there. I just can’t put a finger on it. I have never been in a situation like this before."

"I feel fine physically, mentally? No."

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 6, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, saw that from the postgame quotes

I searched, but couldn’t find a Martin video. Which isn’t too surprising, because he basically cut the the cord with the fans if not the franchise. Not sure if 1140 archives their shows, but they played it during Kayte’s postgame show and replayed it while some guy subbed for Carmichael Dave. I was listening because I was on the three-hour drive home from the game.

Amick’s story may have more, and maybe he will blog about it at some point.

Martin said the trade talk was hurting the team a lot because there were a lot of young guys who haven’t been through that before. He specifically mentioned Arco, saying something like he looks forward to playing on the road because it can’t get worse at Arco. And he said the other stuff you posted about not feeling right.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Hater

You are a K-Mart hater. Why don’t you just admit it? Everybody should just know that and take what you post with a grain of salt and the knowledge that your own emotions are engaged to the point where you cannot deal with anything related to K-Mart in an unbiased fashion.

by MustangMBS on Feb 6, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he has made it pretty clear he is a Kevin Martin hater

and I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. Hey, if he can find the quote then I can’t blame him for his comment here. That said, he needs to find the quote or else it sounds like character assination.

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 6, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

CC is one of the original heavy Kevin Martin haters.

Everyone else coming out of the woodwork in the last, oh, 2 years is essentially following his lead.

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 6, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I can understand it

I was really hating on Beno at the beginning of the season because I blamed him for last year. It took me a while to realize that it wasn’t him and that there was lots of reasons for last year. I got over it. He can do that same.

I have seen these sorts of things before. Taking quotes and spinning them to fit some wacked attitude and reading the worst into it that is more about the reader’s bias than it is about who said it.

by MustangMBS on Feb 6, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I've seen it before.

But I take it with a grain of salt. You have to do the same as well.

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 6, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep,

I had to go to the store because I needed more salt. A grain may not be enough.

by MustangMBS on Feb 6, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah.

Well, your choice then.

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 6, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not a hater

And it doesn’t change the fact that he said what he said.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

For a non-hater

You sure come across as one.

by MustangMBS on Feb 6, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Bias works two ways
… your own emotions are engaged to the point where you cannot deal with anything related to K-Mart in an unbiased fashion.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I know you are but what am I?

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Feb 7, 2010 5:31 AM PST up reply actions  

A good non-biased argument. I love it.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

hope you can back up your statement there

because if you can’t that’s pretty weak

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 6, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

He infers what he wants from Martin's statement

And he says Martin has “basically cut the cord with the fans if not the franchise”.

Yet, unsurprisingly this little tidbit of information is unsourceable at the moment. I would think something like this would be bigger news…from Amick or Ziller. I guess CCR is breaking the story!

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Feb 6, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm frankly surprised that this isn't the story

or at least part of the story, because it’s clearly significant. It may be one of those frustration quotes that Amick decided to give him a pass on. Kind of like reporters in the 30s not telling folks Roosevelt was paralyzed.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

it is a big story

and until you show us something other than your personal memory of what you heard last night, I am not going to believe that story and think it’s a bunch of bs.

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 6, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

It isn't the story

Because you are only hearing what you are hoping to hear. And that appears to be different than what was actually said.

Why would Amick give him a pass? That’s the kind of news that’s hugely important (and might sell a few papers).

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Feb 6, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, you'd think there would be a video of those comments, wouldn't you?

They played it twice. Naturally if it turns up I’ll be more than happy to share it. I did ask Kayte on Twitter if she knows where to get a copy.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Holy conspiracies Batman!

I wonder if Colin Powell is in on it?

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Feb 6, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

If the glove does not fit, you must acquit!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Feb 6, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

i can't rec this enough

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 6, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

thank you all , whenever I hear conspiracy, this just pops in my head

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Feb 6, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

From the Kings standpoint

I can see how they wouldn’t want to release a copy of “Mutiny on the Bounty.” I think even the most avid supporter of Kmart would cringe if they heard it. This guy sounds defeated.

As for Amick, he was on deadline and maybe didn’t stick around for the whole interview. I know he reads this board, and we’ll see if he comments. Besides Kayte, I also contacted Amick via Twitter and the radio station via their website.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Mutiny on the Bounty?

Just show us where to go, make a fan post if you want or a fanshot.

Just remember that so far you have said “Now Kevin is blaming the fans at Arco for his poor performance” and “basically cut the the cord with the fans if not the franchise” and then called it “Mutiny on the Bounty.”

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 6, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Will do

when someone gets back to me, and then you can judge for yourself.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Amick updates the blog a lot at SacBee.com

Don’t see anything on it there either.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Feb 6, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

To add

Sam has said that the SacBee blog is the repository for a lot of stuff that doesn’t make the main page, and he seems to do a bit more editorializing there.

Maybe you’re right, maybe Kevin said all these things. I’ll be darn surprised if he did and it’s not already a big story.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Feb 6, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

it depends on what things he said

but yeah if all he said was that he’s looking forward to trying to win some road games, i dunno what the heck that’s supposed to mean. The guy just got booed twice at home I can understand him wanting to play some road games. That being said, I have no idea where this “he’s blaming the fans” thing is coming from. That’s not blaming the fans, thats just flat out being unconfortable.

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 6, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Well when you have an agenda as CCR does

You work the facts around the story, not the other way around.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Feb 6, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Knock it off, Otis

I had no agenda and, in fact, was surprised nobody else was talking about this. I guess nobody listens to the radio. Too busy anchored to this blog.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I would listen to it CC.

But they black it out over Internet Radio.

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 6, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

It appears that nobody else heard it. And clearly the rest of us need to get on with our lives, get off the blog, and find some evidence that Kevin Martin has severed his ties with the franchise.

That sounds far more important.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Feb 7, 2010 5:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Btw

Here is probably what CC is talking about. (H/T Sactownzfinest.)

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 6, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

i dunno

didn’t read anything in there about how "now Kevin is blaming the fans at Arco for his poor performance" and "basically cut the the cord with the fans if not the franchise" and then pulled a "Mutiny on the Bounty."

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 6, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Which, if you've ever read anything by RealGM, you know that would be in there.

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 6, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah, that's not it, Pookey

I’ve seen those quotes elsewhere when I was looking for the Arco comments.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It was a fanshot on the sidebar. I'm sure that's where you saw it.

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 6, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven't been reading the fanshots the last couple of days

I read Amick’s stories and a few others that came up in search.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

One of them from Real GM?

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 6, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think so

Searching news for RealGM, looks like their last mention of Kmart was Jan. 22.

The quotes you and others are relaying are the meat of what he said outside of what I noted. Remember, though, it was a 4-5 minute segment with (it seemed) writers drifting in and out. What was quoted in various places probably took a minute or two tops.

There was one other question I recall that was kind of interesting. It was when they were trying to get at what was wrong with his play and someone asked, “Are you being iced?” I thought that was interesting and figured it was a dig at Tyreke. Kevin just said no and they moved on.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Just read this link.

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 6, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

They took that from the Bee.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah.

UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash

by pookeyguru on Feb 6, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

bad offense also leads to bad defense

I was at the game (at least until the start of the 4th)… while TZ is correct that there was no evidence of a defensive plan and certainly no execution of one…I also think that some or our recent defensive problems are a result of our poor offensive execution. We almost never get or take an open jump shot. One purpose for driving into the lane is to get the defense to collapse to create an open jump shot. We drive the lane and usually end up with a contested shot… its no wonder our field goal percentage has been terrible of late. The missed shot results in a rebound and at least one of our players (the driver) terribly out of position to recover on defense. Against a team like Phoenix, that means dunk at the other end. Short take, we suck at both ends of the court right now.

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Feb 6, 2010 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

I've been staying away from game threads

As my mantra of

‘Layup Drill’ was making some want to hunt me down and kick my dog.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 6, 2010 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

I see the same data but come up with another theory

Yes I agree, Brockman’s p&r defense is horrible. Not only doesn’t he step out to stop the ballhandler, he doesn’t even come up even with the screener. He actually starts backing up before the ballhander makes his move, and he’s not good enough to stop Manu at the rim.

TZ, I think you underplayed the importance of the assists. 60% of the Suns baskets at the rim were assisted, and only 11% of the Kings were. Now I don’t know how many of the Kings 9 misses would have been assisted if they had made the basket, but 2 assists on 12 made baskets from Omri, Donte, and Tyreke tells me that the Kings offense it too much man to man and not enough team offensive sets. Four more made baskets would have put use at the Suns 84%.

The Suns do run plays and set up their players for easy baskets. Every player except Lopez had a minimum of 66% of their baskets at the rim were assisted. And, 6 of those 10 assists came from Nash, 2 were from Hill, 1 was from Dragic, and 1 from Lopez. The Kings only 2 assists at the rim came from Sergio.

Lets see, of the 12 assists at the rim by both teams, 9 came from a PG. So,look where the problem starts not were it finishes. If we had anyone other than Spence who could defend the P&R we would have been in both of the last 2 games.

As far as Donte’s long 2’s, during the first 41 games of the season, 22% of all FGA’s by the Kings were in the 16-23 ft range. Tyreke, Beno, and JT were the worst offenders with a combined total of almost 400 FGA’s, while Donte took 33. Donte was second in accuracy with 42% to Beno’s 45%.

One last thing about PG assists, because of Tyreke’s attack the rim style of offense, only 1/3 of his assists are at the rim (1.7 apg). When he does penetrate but has to kick out, this passes are to players in the long range 2pt area or beyond the arc. So, the majority of his assists 54% are of the Long Jumper or 3PT variety. He doesn’t make our bigs better like a more conventional PG does.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Feb 6, 2010 3:38 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

One last thing about PG assists, because of Tyreke’s attack the rim style of offense, only 1/3 of his assists are at the rim (1.7 apg). When he does penetrate but has to kick out, this passes are to players in the long range 2pt area or beyond the arc. So, the majority of his assists 54% are of the Long Jumper or 3PT variety. He doesn’t make our bigs better like a more conventional PG does.

That right there is definitely what worries me the most about him playing PG all the time. Don’t get me wrong, i know he will have the ball in his hands regardless, i just wish he wasn’t the guy in charge of initiating our offense every single time

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 6, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point!

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 6, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

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