I have no comment.

If that is all he is there for. But taking on two players from the 76ers starting lineup on a team that just isn’t very good seems odd. But we could do worse.

I’d like to see Petrie take the approach that Presti took with Durant (surrounding him with players his age that will develop with him) with Tyreke. Even if it takes another sub 500 season. I think we just need to turn those guys into young prospects like Speights or possibly draft picks.

I would be down. Assuming we keep sergio.

what is wrong with Martin?

Donte on the other hand, is playing great. He plays smart, which is incredible given how he played last year.

but not because I thought we weren’t getting a fair return. I think what we’re getting back in more than fair, but I’m not sold on Iguodala and I’d rather have flexibility over the next two years salary wise and see what happens.

I was very torn, and could easily be swayed either way. My initial reaction was that I probably would pull the trigger, but I’m already second-guessing myself.

My biggest questions comes from the fact that I haven’t watched enough of Iguodala, so I don’t know how he gets his points. My perception is that he’s more of a slasher. If his game is too similar to Tyreke’s I would be less inclined to go for it.

I look forward to the discussion this generates.

and I must confess I’ve never seen either Iggy or Dalembert play – but this is a tempting offer.

Iggy is a poor man’s KMart on offense – but looks as if he makes up for it on the rebounding/defensive end. Along with Reke, Dalembert and Iggy could perhaps make up for the defensive and rebounding liabilities of JT.

The trade appears to address all our weaknesses, so I voted yes.

I am a huge fan of Iggy’s game but I wouldnt yet. If nothing improves by the summer then maybe. I will admit I didnt expect the team to do much better than this for the season so I probably am more patient.

I’m extremely leery of committing that kind of money for that length of time to Iguodala. Dalembert’s contract expires after next season, right? Then what? Commit big $$$ to him as well?

trade KMart, this is the deal I’d want. Iggy is averaging 17-6-5 right now. Add in Sammy, who can get you double digit rebounds on any night. Talent wise, I think that’s the deal we should go for.

But I’m still not on the ‘trade Martin’ bandwagon yet. I think it’s too early.

Nobody gets Kevin unless a first round pick sent back.

Following that principle, I trade Kevin and Hilton for Dalembert and a first rounder.

If coach Westphal could convince me that we’re as terrible as we are defensively only because we need more practice time, or his schemes aren’t working, or in some other way takes responsibility on himself and his coaching staff, then I’d be willing to be patient with Martin and everyone else to see if this group of guys could become a decent defensive team. But to my eyes, this team plays terrible defense because too many of these players don’t know how to play team defense. Youth and inexperience can be largely to blame for that, but the most effective and sure-fire way to fix it is by getting better defensive players.

I think this trade would leave us with more than enough offensive firepower to still win games, and leave us enough of a good young core that I wouldn’t be at all worried about derailing the rebuild. In Petrie we trust, after all. I say do it.

AI2 isn’t a good enough shooter to entice me at this point. I’m also not convinced that you can play Omri with AI2 and Reke and make it work either. Plus, there’s no guarantee with Dalembert that you’re better either.

Right now, hell to the no.

My mind says yes

Wouldn’t they rather have Martin AND Iggy and let us have their first rounder?

I just don’t get peoples infatuation with Iggy! He is extremely overpaid & overrated. This trade litterally makes me want to throw up. I am not opposed to trading KM but I would be happier with a straight salary dump that rids us of KM, Noce, &/or Beno. Do you realize how many horrible contracts the Kings would have?!!!!!!

between Iggy & Josh Howard? ok Howard can shoot & doesn’t cripple our franchise for years. Out of all the trade scenarios I’ve heard this is by far the worst. This actually ruins my day.

70% to 30% in favor poll results, when I propose Iggy trade, which has been doing obsessively for 2 weeks, lol, it gets mainly negative reaction, with exception of mayfield, a fellow wise yoda-like blogger participant like myself.

First off, if you haven’t seen Iggy play, you are not entitled to an opinion, lol. OK, just kidding you can chime in, but let’s take it for what its worth, a hill of non-organic pinto beans, and at least be forthright and admit you haven’t seen him play enough. Don’t worry I am blessed with direct tv and league pass, so I will form a strong opinion, of which you can freely borrow as your own, lol.

Here’s what gets me: the best counter argument I have heard is that Tyreke needs a shooter playing at his side, so that when he drives the lane, he has someone to kick to on the wing. Iggy is not the best shooter so ix-nay on the trade-nay. When Tyreke drives to the hole and gets cut off he is looking for an open player to pass to. That doesn’t have to be a shooter! A player gets open by relying on his athleticism, instincts, aggression, and being attuned with teammates. Iggy is all that. There is more to getting open than just waiting at the 3 point line to catch a pass.

When considering if players will gel, I like to think of athleticism, attitude, defensive prowess, unselfishness, ways to score, and ability to contribute without monopolizing the ball. Iggy comes ahead on all counts. He can score on put-backs, transition, trailing plays, leading plays. And as a superior defender and rebounder, we get more stops, more transition breaks. Tyreke is a superior athletic specimen with bullying force. Iggy has the same physical gifts. Their aggressive styles of play would blend more than K-Mart and his finesse game. Tyreke and Iggy would punish opponents in transition, and as a duo of perimeter defenders. Sound intriguing? I think so. There’s more to chemistry than knocking down corner jumpers.

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That is all.

No way I would do this. It’s too much long-term salary to take on, and Iggy and SD haven’t been able to get the 76ers to the second round of the Eastern playoffs. Why would they help here in the west? I wouldn’t trade Martin, unless it was to include Nocioni with him for an expiring contract or better big man. SD is too inconsistent.

Why would philly do this? The only way this would work would be if Philly is actually trying to dump Dalembert’s contract for nothing. I would do a straight up Kevin for Andre trade but why would Philly throw in Dalembert?

but I posted a very similar trade in the Asinine Trade Thread:
Iggy & Dalembert for Martin, Thomas & Beno
I wouldn’t consider doing the deal without getting rid of Beno’s contract, thereby taking back less overall salary.

Having said that, some of the arguements I hear simply don’t hold water. Iggy=Josh Howard? C’mon – look at their stats and tell me that they are the same player. It’s really not that close. Iggy is a bad contract? He might be a little overpaid, but his deal isn’t so bad. You could make an argument that he is a better player than Martin, who is paid about 3 million less a year, which isn’t too much different. The following arguements are what I consider to be relevant:

1. With Iguodala, you gain significant durability, defense and rebounding that Martin simply doesn’t provide. You lose outside shooting, which with Tyreke as your point, is a significant loss. Both Iggy and Martin are athletic players, so you aren’t gaining or losing anything significant there. To do this deal, you have to believe that Martin/Evans won’t work in the future. Iggy/Evans would almost certainly work very well on defense, but offensively would be a question mark as well…
2. Dalembert is too big of a contract to take back. Valid point, but as Ziller mentioned in his post game recap, the Kings really need some interior defense. I don’t know if Sammy is that guy, but at some point, the Kings have to get someone to shore up the middle and he is a pretty good player in that regard.
3. Hold the current team together because they aren’t going to the playoffs anytime soon anyways. This is true to a certain extent – Petrie can afford to be patient and I agree that there is no need to rush things. But at some point, you need to make a leap and pull the trigger. Maybe this is the deal, maybe not. But at some point, you have got to have some balls and take a chance on either a trade or a free agent. Just sayin…

NO

Boston gets André Iguodala and Beno Udrih

Philly gets Kevin Martin, Andres Nocioni, and Hilton Armstrong

Sacramento gets Ray Allen and Samuel Dalembert, a 2010 first round pick from Sixers and a 2012 first rounder from Boston

We dump some serious contracts this year, get a couple good picks, and have an expiring defensive big man to trade to a contender next season.

Philly saves money and gets Martin.

Boston looks a whole helluva lot tougher starting Rondo, Iggy, Pierce, Garnett and Perkins with Beno, House and Big Baby off the bench. For that they give us their pick in 2 years. Or 3.

This deal would continue the Kings emergence towards a tougher. more physical, defensive minded team.

Martin seems to be on his way out anyway.

There’s something called an “Asinine Trade Thread” for this kind of stuff. Please observe proper StR protocol before posting in the future. Thanks.

2011-2012

With this move the Kings woule be at $55,305,093, before any draft picks.

Roster would be Noce, Beno, Cisco, Reke, Hawes, JT, Omri, Donte, Brock, Iggy, Sammy D. Add a high pick and we’re looking at close to $60 mil with a 12 man roster.

2012-2013

We would be at $43,081,948. This takes into account Reke, JT, Omri, and Donte having their options picked up.

IT doesn’t take into account Spencer’s extension or qualifying offer for $4 mil. It also doesn’t take into account the salary of our 2011’d draft pick. It also doesn’t take into account the salary for our 2012 draft pick. That takes us up to something like $54-$56 mil

If that’s the case, the 11-man roster would be Noce, Beno, Cisco, Reke, JT, Omri, Donte, Spencer, Iggy, 2011 draft pick, and 2012 draft pick.

All of this info per Shamsports. Please anyone feel free to correct any of the numbers above.

This a great argument. Both sides have great points.

I hope that this puts any “Kevin Martin group think/love” BS to rest. Yes, many of us love Speed, but are also willing to see him go to improve the team. And I’m saying this having voted No.

all things equal, there is no question that the Kings get substantially more talented with this trade, it makes 2 of our weaknesses into strenghts, in perimiter defense and defensive rebounding. It has to be assumed that Dalembert would start.

Now, the only quesiton of this trade has to be the finacial implications…..Dalembert is on the books for only one more season, so his contract can’t be too big of an issue. If push comes to shove, next season he will be very tradeable, seeing how he is an excellent defensive big man and a huge expiring contract.

The main issue in this trade, no matter what side you are on, is Iggy’s contract. Now this comes down to opinion, but I think 3 million a year more is not that much when looking at these players’ contracts…I think 3 million a year extra is WORTH IT, seeing all the other aspects you get with a player like Iggy. He has to be a top 6 or 7 in COMPLETE players in the game.

Another issue here is how the kings loose finacial flexibility….who do you want to get with that room? Is there any player that you think the kings can get through Free angency that is better/better value than Iggy? Petrie has a history of overpaying players; there was a great post a while ago on how they would rather see the Kings make a trade for a slightly overpaid player than have petrie have to overpay to get a player to come to sacramento.

Given the Finacial parts of this trade, I think it would be fair to hold out for them taking Noc as well, (or mabye even Beno, but thats streching it) but this is a fair trade for both teams. I think the kings would be hard pressed to find a deal for impact players like this one, without giving one of your young bigs.