Post-Game Thread: Kings at Raptors
by Tom Ziller on Feb 7, 2010 11:30 AM PST
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Love me some Oreos
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
One facepalm each for the 1st and 4th quarters.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I just used both facepalms for the 4th
The 1st quarter was probably because they were still sleepy. No more NyQuil the night before an early game!
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 7, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
If we are able to play like in the 2nd and 3rd
for most of the game, we could have something good. This was the toughest game in the roadtrip, with a 9am start and almost got that. We still have a good chance of at least taking 1 before the break.
I thought FTs were the story. Beno missed 3 in the 4th, Kevin missed 1 or 2, and Donte missed 2 of 3 when he got fouled at the 3 pint line. Add having no answer for Bosh and we get an L. Tough game, but better than others we’ve played lately.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
And Reke needs to find a balance between getting everyone involved and attacking to score
Credit to the Raptors though. They closed that lane in the second half, it was tough to score for Reke there. He did try to get in there, but either got his shot blocked, or kicked it out to a missed jumper from a teammate.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
No one can say he was a ball-hog in this game.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
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by 49er16 on Feb 7, 2010 11:34 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Martin:
24 points on 18 shots, 7 boards, 2 assists, 0 turnovers.
And you’d swear he had a bad game. Tyreke had 5 turnovers, and it seemed like he had a decent game.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
This is why you can't trust Stats completely.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
What I don't trust completely is the notion of shit-canning the only player worth watching in this town for the past 4-5 years.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
agreed
and it’s absolute shit canning. I have never been a huge fan of him but I find it insane that people are jumping all over him right now. He’s a damn good player.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
losing makes people cranky and stupid
the blame game never dies
by betweentheeyes on Feb 7, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe they should just settle for not being this and be happy
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
was she old enough in this pic to even need a tampon?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
I think the joke is that she IS a tampon.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
Or he's not the only issue.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
very true because he is definitely an issue
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
really?
Didn’t see the game (9AM start?! Really?), but his stats looked pretty good.
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--Daisy Owl
I know, I was so surprised that Kevin got that many points
Seemed like all he was doing was missing shots, which he was.
Tyreke would have gotten a lot of assists, if people would have made their shots.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Assists are funny though
Because not everyone will always make the shots off of a pass from the PG (or other players really) so I don’t think it’s fair to expect every King to make every shot off of a Reke pass. It does seem like they miss a lot from Tyreke passes but I think there’s something else to take into account.
When Reke creates, it usually leads to jumpshoots from teammates. Rarely does he get a pass to a big for an easy bucket, key word ;easy’. Yes, he drives and kicks to a big but with all the activity already by the basket, the shot is not high percntage. Same with jumpshots. He drives and kicks out for shots, but normally those only have 50% of going in. I think the reason he doesn’t get more assists is because he doesn’t create “easier” shots for his teammates. That’s not a criticism on Reke; he’s just not that type of player yet.
That being said, it does seem like he deserves to get more assists because he’s looking for teammates.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
the one thing i love about how Tyreke Evans plays
is that i do the same damn thing with him in NBA 2k10. I call for a pick and roll drive, and then kick out and hit the jump shot with Hawes or kick out to Martin.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
this is the part where i admit i am a loser
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
That's ok, I've spent 2 hours today playing "Space Miner" on my iPhone.
Not proud of this fact – that being said my spaceship is really tearing through the enemy mining drones at this point.
I can't be beat with the kings when I play 2k10
I swear if they played the way I play with them online we would make the playoffs lol
GT: Mr GoldSk3et
Defense defense defense…we need to play defense
by Kingsfan_born_in_LA on Feb 7, 2010 12:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
A good point.
It’s like saying if your team would just hit all of its free throws, they’d win close games. Well, no one hits all of their free throws. Reke should be getting more assists, but these guys aren’t going to be throwing bricks forever. Once the shooting improves, it’ll add 2-3 a game, easily.
He did have 9, by the way.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
I didn't realize that he got that many assists.
That’s good.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I agree with you on all the points that you made.
When Reke creates, it does usually lead to jump shots. And rarely, does he get a pass to a big for an easy basket. I also agree with your observation that he doesn’t get more assists to create easier shots for his teammates, in the same way that Sergio seems to. He is learning and getting better at this. It still seemed like a high percentage of his passes did not convert into baskets. Whether that was a matter of Tyreke’s passes or the receiver is a matter of some speculation.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
i think
its because of reke’s score-first mentality that his big man doesnt trail to the hoop; they expect him to do another devilish layup instead of passing
to elaborate
i mean after a pick and roll
very good point
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Great analysis
but your percentage is way too high. The Kings only hit 38% of their shots for 16-23 ft and they only hit 35% of their 3pt shoot.
In the Suns game Nash had 6 assists at the rim and Tyreke had 0.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Just used 50% to say it's a toss up
The actual numbers work even better to make my point. Thanks HT
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
but they're WIDE OPEN shots...
and almost all the Kings are shooters. Considering Tyreke draws half the opposing team to the paint, those shots should be automatic.
Tyreke is facilitating his teammates almost perfectly on a consistent basis.
I think your underestimating the difficulty of making 3's during an actual game
open or not, the NBA average for 3 point shots is only 35.2%,
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
look at hightops, taking the high road
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
-22 on the game for Martin
Obviously a small sample size – but he had the same exact +/- in the last game, again way worse than any of his teammates.
Fluke, or crappy defense and/or team play? I’ll be damned if I have a clue.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
I am not surprised by this.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Can I go on Record of hating the plus minus for a single game
and even for a season it can only be used to compare players on the same team…and even then if one guy plays the half of a season where Tim Duncan plays and the other guy plays the Half a season Tim doesn’t play would the plus minus mean anything? Thought not.
What if you're Tim Duncan?
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Means little.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
K-mart is a shitty defender and I think he'll always be.
He doesn’t have the defensive instincts, intelligence, nor passion to make up for his physical weakness.
It’s so obvious how poor of a defender he is and surprising that many regulars here don’t care.
Nothing wrong with your opening statement here
but when you started going into intelligence and passion … well, let’s just say your statement doesn’t even deserve the attention I have already given it.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Yeah-
Bosh and Stoudemire have eaten him alive the last two games.
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i have no idea what to even think of this game
I can’t even face palm. It was just … odd. Some nice highlights i suppose.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I only saw the 4th Quarter, but what I saw was:
Chris Bosh showed me that he’s worth all the talk. He made JT look way smaller somehow.
Kevin got good looks, and shots looked alright, but they kept popping out. I’m not basketball savvy enough to know why.
Watched Tyreke go 1 on 4 in the last 2 minutes for one play, he never had a chance to shoot but did anyway. Of course he did this because his teammates had just missed 3-4 opportunities in a row.
That summed it up fairly well.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
The good stuff was in the middle.
I assume that’s a Bosh reference. :)
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
hopefully the season will be the opposite
started well and will finish well, because this middle is awful
by betweentheeyes on Feb 7, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
This one is last season
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 7, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
i personally prefer the hardcore cookie porn not any of this soft core playboy cookie porn crap
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Walllllllllllllllll--eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
?
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 7, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
oh yeeaaaaahhhhh
whose your Keebler?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
I think she's ready for your candy cane
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 7, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Imagine if the Kings could trade
JT and Spencer for Bosh and Bargnani
by getPGwithbounce on Feb 7, 2010 11:52 AM PST reply actions
Bosh is a stud
Even though JT and Spence have had a history of making pretty much every big they play look good, Bosh was still pretty darn impressive.
My wife, upon seeing Bosh, actually thought the Raptors were really called the Raptors because their best player looked like one.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Bosh was very impressive in this game.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Gave up 55 points to their center and PF. These last few weeks have pretty much sealed the deal… Martin is getting shipped off for a defensive big man.
Which defensive big man?
Or is that not part of the statement.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
I thought Spencer had a good game overall with periods of being a real contributor
other times being somewhat absent. JT is playing like he needs to play into his game form, he is as off as KMart.
That said, and no doubt the Kings are lacking any frontcourt stopper (Donte is more of a 3, and looking a bit like Mikeal Petrus currently) a 4 or 5 that can provide some low post offense and catch the dish off from Tyreke is also a big need. Spencer is not there and seems to be more of a mid perimeter player on offense.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 7, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Spencer did have a good game for himself.
Good to see that he is playing with some consistency. Donte is showing his versatility. Those 3 Three’s were awesome.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
That's what I wonder too
It’s amazingly obvious that we need an interior defender. But who are we gonna get?
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That has been the question for at least the last month.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
didn't you know Pook
there is the young inexpensive defensive minded big that can be had for whatever the kings care to trade that day. I wish I knew his name, because he is often referenced on this board.
seriously
that is what drives me crazy about all of this: the notion that trading Kevin Martin gives us infinite trade possibilities right now and if we don’t take advantage of them right now WE WILL FAIL FOREVER!!!!
Fact is, other than the iggy deal (which is not even a rumor it’s just people realizing that the 76ers are thinking about dumping salary), all we have gotten offered are expirings. that’s it.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
i kind of want to punch antoine wright in the face
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
So, the 'experts' all say we can't get Bosh.....
But Philly, w/ Iguodala and SammyD. are playiny Toronto next…..Lets see how they do against stopping Bosh …..
Last time the teams played they “held” Bosh to 29/9, with the two combined for 28/21.
Today, Kmart and Spence combined for 38/18….and held helped allow Bosh to 36/11
I know the proposed trade does not involve Spence, I’m just trying to figure if Iggy and Sammy might be the answer/worth trading kmart for. Not sure if the upcoming Tor. vs. Phil game will answer that question, but it should be worth a watch.
You are not comparing apples to apples
Iggy and K-mart did not hold Bosh to anything. He scored 36 points agsint our front line and 29 against their front line. I have no problem discussing whether Sammy can stop Bosh, and I understand you are bringing this up in relationship to teh trade proposal, but I just want to clarify that K-mart and Iggy should be compared on what they can each do, not what Centers do when they are playing.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
Westphal,
I’m sorry but the conciliatory post-game interviews are getting to be too much. He’s only called out the team once this year. And he basically says well it’s OK because the other team is better than us. At some point I think the players start thinking, “well, we’re just not that good.” I’d like to hear Coach say, just once, “We’re a better team than this, and I expect more out of our guys.” I honestly believe that would boost our players confidence. They might say, “You know what? We are better than this.” I’m not complaining. I’m just saying, this team has a cofidence problem and the, “We’re young and we’re just not good enough yet and this other team is just so polished, we weren’t favored to win so it’s OK” hard to listen to after a heart breaking loss. Blow 7 win 1 blow 7 win 1 blow seven win one. We are better than that because no NBA team is so bad that they can’t win 5 out of 21 games. P.S. Don’t you guys ever get tired about talking about trades? Especially since most of the suggestions are just Awful.
by Can'tSufferFools on Feb 7, 2010 12:40 PM PST reply actions
I'm sure he says that to their faces all the time in practice
But that’s a no-no in Media 101.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 7, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Good point - when the other team wins you congratulate them.
It is poor sportsmanship to say, we are a better team than you are – we should have won.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
It
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
besides the fact that the Kings aren't a better team
they just aren’t yet. They can play better, but they aren’t better.
Calling out a young team lacking confidence when you are their trusted leader makes you a Nattin’ Reggie in my book
by betweentheeyes on Feb 7, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
It takes time to build confidence.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
It's poor psychology to do it that way.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
The best psychology is to beat them.
Celebrate, say it’s “our house”, cup your hands…
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I think the best psychology is to win.
Call me crazy.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
That's what I said.
That’s the best confidence builder there is.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
The even better psychology
is to beat the other team.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
I think the best psychology is no psychology when it's easy or hard.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
relationships are well judged with how they deal with adversity
just sayin’
by betweentheeyes on Feb 7, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Ah yes, the adversity line.
Rick Adelman couldn’t coach defense when Mike Bibby or Brad Miller were around. Yet, going to Houston they’re magically better at defense. Must be something RA is not doing.
There must be a psychological ploy that makes Rick coach a primarily offensive team in Sac and a primarily defensive team in Hou.
Yes, that’s it.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
that's actually the stuff that scares me about beno and kevin martin
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Eh, what?
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
Rick Adelman couldn’t coach defense when Mike Bibby or Brad Miller were around. Yet, going to Houston they’re magically better at defense. Must be something RA is not doing
I worry about Beno and Kevin (more Beno since he has played more this year) and their ability to ever play well defensively, regardless of the coach
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Some players are better offensively than they are defensively.
It’s not something I’m greatly worried about.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
That's why people get divorced.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Then we are all in agreement winning trumps losing
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Nah losing brings out adversity and real fandom.
I prefer losing.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
We are there now, you must be loving it.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
LOVE it.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
At least Im not a cross-dresser named Shawna...
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
at the least?
hmmmm, the bar doesn’t have to go that low.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 7, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Thank goodness for that.
Or Pooh Bear would be wearing a skirt with high heels.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I'm not sure that's against Pooh the benevolents code
I just think he doesn’t like to get blood all over them. It’s not a good look, apparently.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
Well he doesn't wear pants now...
no reason to start now.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Who needs warmth when you can get a draft?
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
The 2003 Detroit Pistons
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 7, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
You must be a glutton for punishment.
But, at least you have lots of patience.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I've been a Kings fan for a long time. I'm getting used to watching a bad team.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
How long have you been a fan?
You must be feeling encouraged with this new team. There is a lot to like about them.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Off and on for about 20 years.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This beats 2 years ago when Artest loomed over every decision this franchise made.
For those that remember me back in those times, I was never a big Ron-Ron fan.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Ron Artest is something else.
I found his drama, very entertaining. But, in the end he was a destructive influence to the team, IMO.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I found his drama to be stupid and destructive to the team.
I don’t care enough about a basketball player’s drama to find it funny when it destroys my basketball team.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The Spurs were a lot more successful.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You've seen a lot of changes over that time.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
A few here & there.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Do you have an opinion as who is the better coach ?
Adelman or Westphal? Or, is it too early for that opinion?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
seriously?
i think i would go with adelman on this one.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Adelman is the better coach.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And my previous statement isn't a reflection on PW
I think Rick Adelman is a great coach, and perhaps the most underrated head coach in the NBA’s history. I would say Jerry Sloan holds that honor, but I really wonder who “underrates” Jerry Sloan. Too many people to this day underrate Rick.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Actually, Sloan has set the bar so high for himself that...
when his teams do well, people think it’s par for the course. If any other coach does what he does, automatic CoY.
Its like Sloan’s 5/10 is another coaches’ 9.5/10.
There can only be one Noce!
Do you have any thoughts of what makes Sloan so great?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Hmmm....actually, I half wrote a piece about him a year ago.
Let me see if I can dig it up at home…and maybe update it…
There can only be one Noce!
That would be an interesting piece.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
He certainly has a good track record.
What makes Adelman so great?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
i would go with the track record
thats a good place to start
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Or the fact that RA has won 800+ games as a coach.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That is very impressive.
I wonder how he does it?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
He pulls this mysterious cloud over other NBA players eyes at crucial moments of the game.
Then the NBA team he’s coaching magically ends up over 500.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I do my best.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I hope you are right.
Most fo their problem is confidence. But I respect Westphal. I don’t have any problem with him. I just know that our team with some more confidence, looks completely different. It will come. This next remark is not directed at you. Bosh is in his 7th season. Of course, he’s better than Jason is right now. I’d be pretty careful with any trade that gives up on our present Bigs. Spence’s overall numbers have fallen off from last year a little bit but both he and JT’s trajectory is perfectly respectable at this point. And with Casspi and Donte, one of those or both are going to be very good to excellent. It’s way to early to give up on our front court. I’d rather pick up a Big that’s intended to be a back-up defensive rebounder. Haywood or Camby would be ideal but any modestly paid 10 and 10 type guy would be my preference. I’d give either one of those guys a two or three year deal at 6million a year and I don’t think either of them is going to get a much better deal than that. Guys like Dalember and Okafor with their 11 and 12 million a year, I just can’t justify that. Haywood is in his last year for 6mil and Camby in his last for 9. I’d just flat out, outbid for one of those guys and they will be cheaper than a Dalembert or Okafor and we don’t even have to give anything up. Midlevel Free Agency pick-up, not Trade. I’m not against trading expireings or bench players but trading any of our starters at this point is a big gamble. This is our first true year of rebuilding. Why take a big gamble at this stage. It just doesen’t make any sense to me.
by Can'tSufferFools on Feb 7, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Haywood or Camby would be ideal but any modestly paid 10 and 10 type guy would be my preference. I’d give either one of those guys a two or three year deal at 6million a year and I don’t think either of them is going to get a much better deal than that .
More like 3 (very unlikely for Haywood) to 4 years and more money. Either way, it’s a gamble.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Haywood just turned 30.
Idon’t think anybody is going to give him more than a 4 year 24million dollar deal. Even if you’re right, Camby is turning 36 next month. i know because we both have the same birthday and year. Nobody would outbid us for camby @ 3years 18 million.
That’s not a huge gamble. We might get cheated in the third year, but I know he can give us two solid years. Enough time for JT and Spence develope into 15 and 10 guys and one or both Casspi and Donte to develope in to true Studs. The backcourt will work itself out one way or the other. And then the Team will truley know what it needs. Trade Camby’s expireing and whatever else we have for the missing piece.
Bang, next year shoot for the 8th spot, the year after shoot for the 4th spot in the west, third year contender. Nothing Radical, low risk plan that gets us out of the celler and on the path respectability. This is not directed at you, but I’d like to here more ideas like that on this blog. If people think mine is weak then propose something different. But please, enough of the Panick Button Blockbuster Trade Titanics I’ve been reading. They are mostly boring, unlikely, or flat out absurd.
by Can'tSufferFools on Feb 7, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Well i dunno why the hell camby would come here given he has no history with this town or any other players here or the coaching staff and we suck and he is at the end of his career, so that to me is a complete waste of time.
As for Haywood, I would not be a fan of paying him for those last two years. Seems like a pretty darn big risk to me, and considering there is a lot of money freed up this offseason i would be shocked if he does go for an unreasonable price. You also have to think about the CBA expiring for this.
As for the “bang, next year shoot for the 8th spot” thing … i dunno what to tell you other than this is not a video game.
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I could be wrong,
but with all the big name free agents and the fact that I don’t think you’re going to see as many bloated contracts as we’ve seen in the past, I don’t see guys like Camby and Haywood getting any huge deals. A guy like Camby might go to a contender for less money, but if he was that kind of guy he wouldn’t be playing for the Clippers. He’ll come for the 18 Millinon. If you wanna give up a player and give Okafor or Dalembert 36 Million over that period, maybe that’s not what your suggesting. As for giving Haywood 4 and 24 I don’t think it will take that. I’m hoping he’d take the 3 and 18. I’m sure you’ve noticed contracts have been getting a little smaller. There have just been too many guys getting 10million plus to sit on the bench. As for your last remark, “i dunno what to tell you.” Shooting for an 8th spot doesn’t meen making the 8th spot. It simply meens your fighting for .500 respectability and not a 1rst pick in the draft.
by Can'tSufferFools on Feb 7, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
A guy like Camby might go to a contender for less money, but if he was that kind of guy he wouldn’t be playing for the Clippers
you might want to rethink that one
If you wanna give up a player and give Okafor or Dalembert 36 Million over that period, maybe that’s not what your suggesting
Never suggested Okafur and Dalembert would be 12 million next year and expire. And yes i would prefer to pay Dalembert for the rest of this year and the 12 million next year (i know it’s overpriced but neither of these options are long term solutions and it hurts the cap for one year) than pay camby how much it would take him to be here three years (and if he were crazy enough to go to Sac it would be 3 and it would cost more at the very least around 18).
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I said 3 and 18.
Nothing hurts our cap. We are no where near the cap and certainly no where near the luxury tax. I can live with the notion that my idea is bad. But giving up a starter and giving Dalembert 12mil. Then what? Retain Dalambert for less once his contract is up, so you really only get burned for one full season @ 12. Is that what you meen? I can live with that if you can give me an idea what you figure it costs to retain him. I don’t want Samual Dalambert to be our highest paid player for one day, but if you can convince me it works for the year after next, then I can dig it.
by Can'tSufferFools on Feb 7, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
What did you think i would be willing to give up for dalembert?
And what did you think i would be willing to receive with dalembert?
And i really wouldn’t be interested in Dalembert much past next year so yeah either give him up or pay him less after that.
And honestly i have no clue what it would cost to keep Dalembert but i am pretty sure I don’t see him or Haywood as a long term solution so i would rather keep to the short term one if i had to
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Because,
every team always has some useless jack ass making 6mill. Technically, everything hurts your cap but 6 mill for a solid back-up big isn’t beligerent. You’re ready to pay 12mill for one. Although you didn’t actually say that, you said or suggested you’d rather give a starter and 12mill to Dalembert than keep your starter and give 6mill to Camby or Haywood. But you didn’t really explain why. Is there another reason than the one I suggested about hoping to retain Dalambert for less money. Or because he is still young, do you expect him to go off and become a stat stuffer.
by Can'tSufferFools on Feb 7, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
i'm ready to pay 12 million for one for one season
i don’t know how complicated that is
As for keeping him or resigning him, i have zero clue and i don’t care right now and i wouldn’t care until toward the end of next year.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Too complicated for CSF apparently Wally.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
i am not concerned about the value (Hey heywood is 18 mill for 3 years but dalembert is only 12 mill for 1 year) i am concerned with how it will affect the team long term (salary cap and the possibiltiy of suckitude over a few years)
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That's precisely my point.
And you think Dalembert Helps our long term projection. I understand he’ll make us better immediately, but so what. That just yanks a top 5 pick from us and gives us a ten pick. And next year, your fifth or sixth or seventh or eighth option is by far your highest paid player.
by Can'tSufferFools on Feb 7, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Sammy Dalembert would make the Kings better immediately?
Do you see a different Dalembert than I do?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
i would argue he would help out immediately
granted its only because he would replace the likes of Hilton Armstrong and Sean May but technically would help
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Well he's significantly better than both
But making 12 million a year he should be too.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
as a side note on dalembert
does anybody keep records of goal tends because i got the feeling this guy has it
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I would think KG has it. Or, at the very least goaltends after the whistle has been blown.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
well yeah after the whistle is blown
but i am talking about the real real dumb ones because i don’t think i’ve watched a half without dalembert getting called for goaltending
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I try to not watch the Sixers.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
i never said he would help out long term
i don’t know where you got that. and how does that yank a top 5 pick? in fact, by your logic, the Kings shouldn’t even try anything to be better (not even get a Zach Randolph for a K) because it’s not good enough to win enough games right now and we need to tank.
For the record, when talking about Dalembert I advocate trading Martin and K9 for Iggy and Dalembert. I personally think Iggy is worth it, you can agree or disagree i don’t care.
And also for the record, Camby never signed with the Clips like you thought, he was traded there
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Camby didn't sign with the Nuggets originally or the Knicks.
He just was traded to all those places, and re-signed with those teams.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
i can't help but get the feeling that we are blowing CSFs mind right now
Like he just found out where babies come from
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I think you're making a rather large assumption that CSF has a thought process.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You guys are a bunch of fools.
I don’t hang around on this blog or the computer for that matter. I make a comment and come back and check on it when I can. I can’t even count the logical fallicies just in these last few posts. You Blog Nerds are something else. Zach Randolph is obviously an immediate trade straight up for Martin. But like I’ve begged you guys not to do, please don’t make trade suggestions that are boring, unlikely, implossible, impossible, or flat out stupid. I’m going back to the real world. I’ll come back, if I ever get a chance, to read all you babies cry rape cause I hurt your feelings. People tell me you blog nerds have low self esteem and can get hurt pretty easily.
by Can'tSufferFools on Feb 8, 2010 1:52 AM PST up reply actions
We'll miss you??
I’m going back to the real world. I’ll come back, if I ever get a chance, to read all you babies cry rape cause I hurt your feelings. People tell me you blog nerds have low self esteem and can get hurt pretty easily.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
You're the one that begged to come back
Buh-bye…again.
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For the record
I accidentally typed Zach Randolph for K when I meant to type Randolph for K9. That might have been confusing so you might want to reread what i wrote because you definitely got the wrong impression of what i was saying.
By the way, you were the one starting down the trade and free agency rabbit hole we went down, not me. And yes, i too think its unlikely that the Kings and 76ers would do a trade of Iggy and Dalembert for KMart and K9.
I also have no idea how you hurt my feelings. The fact that you thought Camby signed with the Clippers actually made me feel alot smarter to be honest.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
So we should try to be bad in the short term?
Am I Coming Up With Bad Ideas Or Am I?
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 7, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Crap...
…Am I In Trouble?
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 7, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Or Am I?
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 7, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
he actually isn't the first person i have seen with that logic
at that point, why the hell would you care enough to watch one game or type one comment on a fan board
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Too many Kings have regressed in the last 20 games or so.. but you still hear PW emphasizing how “they’re young”, or “they’re going against better teams.”
There’s too much talent on this team to buy into excuses. They should be much better than this.
Not trying to ruin your day here but
There’s too much talent on this team to buy into excuses. They should be much better than this.
How talented do you think other NBA teams are? How many of the other 29 NBA teams do you honestly think are less talented than the Kings (And remember that we play 30 games against the east and 52 against the west when you’re counting)
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
The Kings are talented enough to not go 2-18. They're more talented than the Nets.
Steve Nash wouldn’t say this about most teams in the league:
"As far as talent and athleticism and size, they’re better than we are in many ways,"
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2010010523&prov=ap
that's a neat little quote but do you think the Kings are better than the Suns? Because that would actually be helpful in answering the question.
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ok...
“How talented do you think other NBA teams are?”
Very.
“How many of the other 29 NBA teams do you honestly think are less talented than the Kings?”
17.
um how many of those 17 are in the West?
And i am not talking “future potential” i am talking right now
And don’t give me injury crap because if you haven’t noticed we have had some injuries too
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
do you think there are 7 teams in the west that are less talented than the Kings RIGHT NOW, not have more potential, but have more talent at this moment?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Wow. Now Im interested.
Which 7 NBA teams in the West are less talented than the Kings right now?
There can only be one Noce!
So that means your numbers are pointless and have no point.
Thanks for at least admitting it.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
7? where's my popcorn
don’t keep me waiting. I want to know now.
by TheFifthMookie on Feb 7, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Mike if you admit to us that you are really 12 years old
we won’t tease you too much on this one
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Speak for yourself.
12 years old should never be that stupid.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
yeah but I was thinking about my little cousin
and she doesn’t seem to really know or care much about sports.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I would hope that a 12 yr old girl has better things to do quite honestly.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
fuck that
My twelve year old girl’s gonna be able to calculate PERs on the fly and be an expert on the salary cap. Can you imagine:
Me:“Damn, wish we could trade for Lemont MaWilliams.”
Daughter:“Dad, he’s BYC. That’ll never happen.”
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Feb 7, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Well done. LOL
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
also
How fantastic a name is Lamont MaWilliams?
Those are going to be the first and middle names of my firstborn son, wifey be damned.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Your future wife clearly has her work cut out for her.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
if she marries into my last name
She deserves it.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
I'm sure she's smarter than that.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Megan Fox Iashwash?
Sounds kinky…
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 7, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
Could not help but rec this.
Btw, I think my future 12 year old girl can out-GM yours. Hehehe!
There can only be one Noce!
Oh no....
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
ha that's what you think
We’ll be all shooting the shit, roasting the barbeque, and you’ll be like “ha, my baby girl’s a GM for the Warriors and your girl is only an agent.”
Then boom! My baby girl pops up on ESPN all happy because she got her unathletic 6’8" power forward who can’t shoot a 6 year 150 million dollar deal, and I’ll be like hahaha, my baby girl just Billy King’ed your baby girl, garnering a contract for Kenny Thomas’s stepson so huge that it permanently cripples the Warriors cap. Levien sees this and thinks to himself “Shit, girl knows what’s up” and hires my girl as his second-in-command, then she takes over him two years later. So while my baby girl is building a dynasty with the Kings, your girl basically payed her $15 million for the rights to sign the worst contract in sports history.
The silver lining for you though, is that my baby girl hooks me up with front row seats and your welcome to tag along anytime, it’ll be fun: we get to watch Chapu coaching the team on how to shoot fearlessly, you can get his sweat on you, it’ll be a humbling pilgrimage.
Good luck selling those Warrior tickets your daughter gives you though… what a horrible consolation prize.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Feb 7, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Damn it.
My baby girl and I just got pwned by iashwash and his baby girl!
Hey, make sure Chapu gets that job k?
:-)
There can only be one Noce!
I don’t know who would be better coaching “how to shoot fearlessly” – Al Harrington? Nah, Chapu’s got the job for sure.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
My thanks in advance...
Now, how about buying some Warriors season tickets for 2035?
There can only be one Noce!
by NoceOne on Feb 7, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
To put it in context, Nash also said:
"But experience and cohesion has got to be what allows us to beat a team like that."
I know the Kings are in fact young and inexperienced, but my comment was about the Kings’ regression since starting the season 14-16. K-mart isn’t the only one playing poorly.
Reading your comments makes me wish Mr. Positive Bizarroguru is still around to give us a positive ray of light.
I miss that knucklehead.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
When the teams record is as bad as it is,
trades give us the opportunity to talk about ways to improve the team. It’s no mystery why we are losing.
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on Feb 7, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
I was at the game...
And boy was it a let down. I mean, up 91-84 I really thought we had it in the bag, but no. Anyways, if any of you saw me I had a backwards black baseball cap and I was reppin’ my C-Webb jersey (purple). Just thought I’d let you guys know there’s Kings fans in T.O. and I was proudly supporting the no-quit Kings!
thanks for representing
hang in there, they will get better, just not able to get “it” yet
by betweentheeyes on Feb 7, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
wow very impressive
a kings fan in toronto, holy crap.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Im watching kings games in australia
Shoot me now… No they’ll be great to watch in 3-5 years and ill still bitch and cry for every game, cause sometimes their exciting to watch..
You're not even the only Aussie on this site.
So you have that going for you.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Get the great offense first, then add some defense
And you’re the Saints.
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Yeah football analogies don't really work in the NBA. Sorry.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
kind of silly V
if our “great offense” had scored 29 in the 4th quarter (similar to the first 3) we’d have won.
A little devil's advocate here ...
Before the Kevin Martin Tyreke Evans experiment was set to begin, I remember people supporting it arguing that Kevin Martin that (a) Martin would be the perfect spot up shooter and (b) has dealt with ballhogs before. I specifically recall people mentioning Ron Artest and Salmons also comes to mind as someone who dominated the ball a tad. The only thing with those two players is that they didn’t have point guard duties all that often, they were not always bringing up the ball like Tyreke is. With them, Kevin Martin didn’t even play the roll of spot up shooter, he could still create his own shots alot within the offense even though he was not always the featured offensive option. Now it seems like, more often than not, Kevin’s touches involve Tyreke trying to cut into the lane for about 10 to 16 seconds, then kicking out to Kevin who now has little time to create his own shot.
Was the whole idea of Kevin Martin as a spot up shooter really that good of an idea to begin with?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Did you watch today's game?
Evans is getting better at the point every day. To compare him to Artest or Salmons is crazy. He had nine assists today, and if K-mart had been hitting his open shots (not counting contested ones) Evans would probably have had around 12. K-marts shooting woes have nothing to do with Evans, unless Evans is spooking him at the free throw line too.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
i actually only watched half the game
i wasn’t comparing him to them, i actually meant he was a little different (although yeah maybe not in a complimentary way).
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
i should have probably emphasized the "devil's advocate" part of the post
it was a general observation from the past 2 weeks. It very well be a completely moot point.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
This team needs the trade deadline to come & go.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
yes, February 18th starts the ten day clock tomorrow
and after that is the countdown to the draft lottery, and after that the countdown to the NBA Draft and after that July 1st…. and then the summer…..
tick
tock
tick
we have to focus on the little positives: today was all about Reke’s 9 assists, Donté’s three 3s, Spencer’s bit of consiststency as we keep an eye towards the NBA news wires waiting for a trade (which may not come)
by betweentheeyes on Feb 7, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Those were the "little" positives that came out of today's game.
I hope that Petrie will have a surprise for us soon, because we could use something positive.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
So when Tyreke draws 3 defenders into the paint and then kicks it out to wide open teammates...
that’s “dominating” the ball?
…are you being serious?
ball rotation is a good thing in 5-on-5 basketball.
i have no problem with him kicking it out. i do have a problem with the fact that he either (i) struggles to pass it into the paint or (ii) just doesn’t because he prefers to drive into the paint. I know this is very nickpicky and yes i do like that Tyreke drives into the paint and kicks it back out when he draws triple coverage (heck i even like half the time he shoots when that happens because it still works) i was just if he needs to do that in so many possessions in the game.
to be honest i was just pontificating on this, i personally don’t have a settled opinion on it myself, it just seems like something is wrong with our offense and (no matter how great tyreke is) tyreke is in fact a big part of that offense.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Who actually hangs out in the paint?
I don’t think there’s a problem with Tyreke not passing into the paint… if that problem exists, maybe it’s partially attributed to him only seeing two butterfingers in there.
I’m not a chauvinist Tyreke Evans fanboy- the only flaw I see in his game is poor perimeter shooting.
Actually you definitely are a Tyreke Evans fanboy
Just because you see one negative part of his game (the massively glaring one)doesn’t mean you are reasonable. On top of that, you are the fanboy who makes excuses and throws blame on everyone else.
Butterfingers? So the Kings bigs turn the ball over? That’s the problem?
Are the Kings supposed to make every single shot off of Tyreke’s passes?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
whoa, whoa, whoa.
whoa. just take a deep breath. you’ve got your panties in a bunch.
Yeah Wally
Untangle those priceless panties why dontcha?
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
i was actually surprised that he knew i was wearing panties
I mean, usually when i am at the computer i don’t even bother wearing underwear to being with.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Wearing underwear is greatly overrated.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
And she's always right.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
I wonder what she thinks about the Saints winning a SB.
UNLESS that underground cavern was a David Thorpe run training facility. The problem of course, is that players really need to play in NBA game situations for them to develop well. So a league of cyborgs needs to be built along with a regulation-sized stadium and tons of fake fans to simulate real NBA games to develop the players. Though at this point the team is spending billions of dollars to develop those players, so you know… maybe it would be smarter to just wait. -- Iashwash
yeah in my house, whenever i mention football
she thinks i am talking about the World Cup
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Smart Lady.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The difference is you probably mean Soccer. LOL
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by the way, at least when i am talking about Tyreke I don’t make cheapshot arguements about whether or not he is intelligent or has passion
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
You know a thread is weird
when pookey is the voice of reason.
(by the way, this is ForThree, new email address and moniker)
Oh okay.
I was wondering who that was.when you called “V” V.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This should be interesting....
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
(holding back from temptation)
(holding back)
(holding back)
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Your sig made me want to post this for you:
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 7, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
i just hope nobody in my family sees my sig
being catholic and all that
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
No, Kevin's defensive IQ and passion isn't adequate
Its way, way above that.
He’s a smart guy and knows how to play. His issues are, he’s not nearly as strong as a lot of guys he plays, he’s kind of gangly, and that’s good on offense because it draws fouls, but its not on defense.
He also doesn’t have good defensive instincts, and I doubt he ever will. Kevin would be the world’s worst linebacker. A linebacker see’s the play in a split second and makes a decision. At the moment of decision they act, and the good one’s make plays. Kevin doesn’t have that instinct, that split second decision making that Dennis Rodman or Gary Payton had where as soon as chaos starts, they win. Kevin reacts slowly to chaos, its probably his most unathletic trait.
So, I think Kevin will never be better than average defensively. But I can’t hang dumb or not passionate on him. The guy wants it; he probably wants it too bad. He needs to have some success these last 30 games and see some progress from the team, which would do him a world of good.
Kevin always just seems to be going through the motions, as if he just wants to appear to be playing defense.
I want to see him press his body against opponents, stick his hand in their face.. really try to bother the shot or pass or deny his man the ball- he might be humiliated in the process by getting overpowered, but that effort would impact the other teams’ psyche and boost his team’s morale. I think he’s a little self-conscious, and doesn’t understand the importance of defense overall.
There’s not much effort from him when it comes to team defense either; He gets the occasional steal but often gambles on them to hurry to the open court.
Kevin shouldn’t be expected to be as effective defensively as Brockman (who averages I think, half a steal more than Kevin per 48), but if he puts in the same effort as Jon every minute he’s on the floor, that would go a long way for his personal production and the whole team’s morale.
I think he has low defensive IQ because he doesn’t seem to value it much. He’s not even good at appearing to care.
Or maybe you need to understand that Kevin isn't that type of player nor is he built for it.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh and since when defense in the NBA is employed by running the Bump n Run?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Feb 7, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we just see things differently
Brockman is a horrible, horrible defender. Sure, he tries hard, and he’s a trememndous rebounder, especially for his size, but have you ever watched him defend someone more than six feet away from the hoop?
He has no concept of space, and amazingly slow feet (either that or he just doesn’t know what to do, so stands lost).
I don’t want to kill the guy too badly, I’m sure he’ll get better, but at this moment, he’s an awful defensive player.
Well said Mr. Grasul.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This.
I love Brockman. Put him out there and let him rack up six fouls – no one will do that better. But don’t think he’ll stop anyone with any sort of low-post talent.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Brockman racking up fouls ratchets up his teammates confidence and intensity? What are you smoking? Where can I buy this shit?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
For the sake of your future daughter, I don't think I will.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hmmm...I kinda don't agree.
IMO, KMart seems better at initiating the action than in anticipating the opponents’ action and reacting to it and getting to the spot before his opponent can. Sure, that’s part technique but that’s also part talent.
You can take an ordinary man who runs 100m in 18 seconds and give him all the techniques/diet/training of world class sprinters and make him run it in, maybe, 13 secs but I’ll be damned if he goes below 10seconds. Guys who do that are gifted that way in the first place.
If KMart become uber-aggressive in defense, I predict he gets 4 fouls in less than 4 mins. And he gives up a ton of and-1’s.
There can only be one Noce!
There’s not much effort from him when it comes to team defense either; He gets the occasional steal but often gambles on them to hurry to the open court.
what the hell does that even mean? i can understand if you say he gambles too much and ends up breaking down the team’s defense but you are literally saying that he can’t play team defense and whenever he gets a steal its only to hurry into the open court? What the hell? Don’t you want your players to do that? So basically if he is successful he still fails because all he cares about is scoring quickly in the open court.
Neat.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
i think you are still politely being an ass
Personally, no i don’t think Kevin Martin will be good defensively, or adequate (whatever that means, i am guessing average) defensively.
I think, regardless of whether you throw the word “defensive” in front of it, you were really saying he is not an intelligent player and doesn’t have passion (and i don’t care if it’s just on the defensive side of the ball). That’s what pissed me off. Hell, if you wanted to play that game, one could argue Tyreke has no passion, he so far is a loser (only won about a third of his games) and doesn’t show much emotion out there. Of course, that would be stupid to do because I don’t think one can judge someone’s character by their body language on tv.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Wait a minute.
That sounds like honest and thoughtful analysis. Stop partaking in the Group Think that StR specializes in. You too Grasul.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
what the hell is with that?
Did I miss a national reference somewhere?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
It's been the Saints slogan
for 30 years or so, and they won some bullshit “event” that a couple people got excited about today. Trying to remember the name of it…
no, that's the World Series
that happens in the fall, but us Americans don’t bother to invite the world. We’re pricks that way.
Wait a minute.
That sounds like honest and thoughtful analysis. Stop partaking in the Group Think that StR specializes in. You too Grasul.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Two other things...
I did see Kevin get beaten up the floor once in today’s game that ended in a DeRozan dunk and it was inexcusable.
In some ways, Tyreke and Donte’s emergence is very important to Kevin defensively. If those two guys keep getting better (no reason to think they won’t), Kevin will be guarding the 4th or 5th option for teams a lot of times, which will hide him some.
He’s still got to get better though.
I repeat
Stop partaking in StR group think. I know you’re new and all, but I wouldn’t stand for newbies not expressing their own opinion separate of the rest of the herd. I swear new people; can’t do anything with them.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think this is key
and part of my thought process for a long time when it comes to Kevin. We know he’s a bad defender, no one denies that. So what should we do? Because he’s so good at doing other things, like, you know, scoring the basketball, that we just need to surround him with players who can make up for his deficiencies.
It’d be awesome to have a team full of all around players, but that’s just impossible. You get players that are good at a couple things and you surround them with complements. Isn’t that what we need to do with Tyreke? He’s not a good shooter so we need to put shooters around him. How about Hawes? He’s not a good defensive rebounder so we need to find a complementary big that could help with interior defense and rebounding. So Kevin is a below average defender, then surround him with good defenders so that he can take the 3rd or 4th option on the other team, like you say.
This is about the team being great, key word being “TEAM.” Not every player will be able to do everything on the court. We actually already have one (Reke) that looks like he’ll be good at A LOT of things. We just need complements and Kevin could be a damn good one. If you get a good deal for him, then great… we’re improving the team. If not, there’s no rush to ship him out of town because you just don’t like his style.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Feb 7, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for honesty.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
"Because he’s so good at doing other things, like, you know, scoring the basketball,"
other “thing” (singular).
It's a bit ironic you that break down how to play defense
But you call Kevin’s talents singular when assessing his ability to score the basketball although there is nothing singular about them.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
there are multiple ways to score
so technically, ed could be write.
If you want to destroy a post for grammar, go down to the one I wrote about today’s game before I responded to your question. You should be able to find a couple of dozen things wrong with that post, its an embarrassment.
there are many guys who can score.
few who can play defense.
So that means Steve Nash sucks?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
...and k-mart is one of the worst defenders in the league.
steve nash is also a poor defender, but makes up for it in other ways..
Really how does Nash make up for this?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'd really love to know too
Come on Mike. Just give it a shot
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
It would be wise to not tax Mike's thought processes already. I think he's hit the peak capacity of his thought process already.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I just hate when one starts asking questions
and they just go away. I really want to continue the conversation.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
You enjoy long stretches of being exposed to raw stupidity?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
(Sorry I know that wasn't the point.)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I really want to make the point
nd make sure it comes out clear for future reference. Unfinished arguments only mean that in the near future, someone will bring back the same old point.
Hell, even after the argument is done, someone may still bring that shit back. It’s still good to finish what you start. I just hope Mike is down for that.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
If he was he'd be arguing the same circular logic he has been arguing Eddie.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And that would just show
once again, how much they don’t understand what anyone here is arguing about and what our position is. I just like to expose that stuff as much as I can.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Since you've been coming around for what, 2 years now (or however many months it is)
How many people have you ever seen who disliked Kevin Martin coming into the argument change their mind as a result of that argument?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
True that
But a least accept you just dislike the guy and not try to make paper arguments. It’s easier to bash the persn that way.
I think it’s better to be a hater than be stupid
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I dislike Shaq greatly.
Always have going back to his Orlando days. He’s a mouthy obtuse 400 lbs brat. As much as I consider him to be the world’s fattest asshole, I do also know that he’s a 1st ballot Hall of Famer based on his accomplishments. I just don’t like him. I believe, to this day, that Shaq is tthe most overrated athlete of all time. Part of the reason I dislike Kobe less is because that dislike is reserved for Shaq.
I also dislike Rajon Rondo and think he’s greatly overrated because he can’t shoot outside of 7 feet. That’s fine if you’re Dwight Howard, but when you’re a 6’1 PG that isn’t so swell.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And I hate Kobe Bryant
He’s a 1st ballot douchebag Hall of Famer but he’s stil the second best player in this league and has an excellent work ethic. Just because I don’t like the dude I’m not going to talk shit about his game on the court.
I would sound idiotic arguing that he’s not a top 5 player just because I don’t like him. That’s where I see this Kevin arguments headed (they’re actually there already).
People want to blame him for everything that’s bad because he reminds everyone of the bad years and because he’s not the all around player everyone wants him to be. Again, if you don’t like the guy, fine, but at least admit it and be respectful about it.
That ain’t happening of course
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Feb 7, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm recing this for the last paragraph. It's the most succinct way of describing why Kevin Martin creates so much consternation (or at least IMO anyway).
The reality is that if you have 100 people on StR, and 60 liked Kevin Martin, 20 didn’t care, and 20 dislike him no matter what, the focus should be on the 20 that are in-different.
At this point, all I’ve learned from Mike is that he dislikes Kevin Martin, and he thinks it’s appropriate to utilize defensive strategies used by NFL defenses in the NBA.
I have a hard time taking this argument seriously.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
to be honest i don't like Kevin Martin much
at the same time i can’t stand some of the logic being tossed around and i really really hate when people start talking about “passion” or “heart” especially when we aren’t talking about an energy player
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
welcome to my world eddy
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, I don't have the time to just sit in front of the computer all day.
I think Nash makes up for his poor defense by facilitating his teammates, his leadership, being clutch.
And edm7 I haven’t been here long but I have more respect for you than anyone here. Wouldn’t just ignore you.
Good
Name me all the players in this league that scored the ball more efficiently than Kevin does. I’ll be here waiting.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
LeBron James!
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Amare Stoudemire!
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
LOL ElRon.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If the most efficient scorer in the league took every shot for his team and never passed,
That team would be worse than the Nets. Right?
So are you suggesting that Kevin Martin takes every shot and never passes?
because that might be a bit of an exageration.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Of course I wouldn't suggest that.
…the point being that a team is more successful when scoring is more evenly distributed. A lot of guys even on the worst teams in the league are great or even excellent scorers. There’s no reason to have one guy average 30 points. In my opinion, that actually hurts the team if that guy doesn’t reciprocate his offense on the other end of the floor. Individual scoring is an overrated privilege.
Individual scoring is an overrated privilege.
I am just going to pretend this is all you just typed and let it be. I can’t promise others will do the same.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Exactly
That would be Nocioni
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 8, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Just had to bring my guy up?
Remember, when you have to put down someone else to feel good about yourself…something’s wrong with you.
There can only be one Noce!
I never think of you when I mention him, honestly
I’d love him if he could shake his Maurice Taylor-itis, honestly. I HATE contested jump shots.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 8, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Now we're having the same discussion in multiple threads
I really only make anti-Noc comments because I’m trying to bait chapuforyou. Noc is a solid player that would be even better if he’d improve his shot selection. His shot selection this year reminds me of Donte Greene’s last year: touch ball, shoot ball.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 8, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Also...
Nocioni averages around 8 shot attempts and 1 assist in 20mins a game.
Here are the other Kings big men averages:
Armstrong – 2 attempts and .3 assist in about 9 mins.
Brockman – 2 attempts and .5 assist in 14mins
Casspi – 9.5 attempts and 1.4 assists in 28mins.
Greene – 7.3 attempts and 1 assist in 21mins.
Hawes – 9.6 attempts and 2 assists in 26mins.
May – 3 attempts and .4 assists in 10mins
KThomas – 1.4 attempts and .6 assists in 12 mins.
Thompson – 11 attempts and 1.9 assists in 33 mins.
Udoka – 4 attempts and .9 assists in 16 mins.
As you can see, the nearest King in terms of mins played in Greene. Their stats are remarkably close too. (Noce with 8.1 attempts in 20mins, Greene with 7.3 attempts in 21 mins. Both average 1 assist each) So, to brand Nocioni as a player who takes every shot and never passes is to brand Greene as the same kind of player.
And Kenny Thomas should be your hero, him with the 1.4 attempts and .6 assists in just 12mins. That should bring him to about 2 attempts and an assist in 20mins, far better “unselfish” numbers than either Greene’s Noce’s, Hawes, Thompson’s or Casspi’s.
There can only be one Noce!
Greene IS very similar,
except Greene has learned this year about better shot selection. I guess the difference is that Noc is 30, and Donte is 21. Donte is still a basketball baby. Noc should know better.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 8, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
weak
weak weak weak weak weak
You really should have just sticked to your first sentence all day.
K-mart is a shitty defender and I think he’ll always be.
To the point, a little condescending, but really just an observation. Of course someone can make a smart ass remark about how he was not the one defending Bosh, so what? You don’t need everyone rec’ing your crap green, people will disagree, just use some logic when you decide to argue your opinion. If you can’t, then don’t even bother arguing.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
I find that most people who throw around the claim “that’s not logical!” or “he’s not logical!” don’t understand logic themselves. If someone says something illogical, address the specific fallacious reasoning. You could be right- but it’s not any more helpful to anyone to just say: “you’re illogical!” any more than it is to say “you’re stupid!”.
Thank you for explaining, or at least agreeing with someone else, why you thought it’s stupid of me to say Kevin lacks defensive IQ and passion. If you want to explain how I’m illogical, I’m all ears. You could be right.
I can very well be illogical and to be honest that might have not been the right word when I referenced it towards you. I just don’t see how you can start blaming his defense problems on passion and IQ. It’s a cheap shot and I don’t think it has much value. And even when there is a positive about Kevin you turn it into a dig (he shouldn’t score so much, he only gets steals to get shots in the open court)
Just by looking at body language I can see an arguement about Tyreke having no passion or IQ. Granted, I think it would be silly but his demeanor opens him up for that.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I said he often gambles on steals, not always. To me it’s as if he’s settled for being a poor defender for life- rather go for the stats and fancy plays than look stupid trying to create a turnover in whatever way possible.
These are my opinions (with all my biases). People are too sensitive around here. And I can’t even comprehend how someone can think Tyreke doesn’t have passion- he might not display his emotion but the spirit, energy, and effort is always there, in my opinion.
I like Kevin Martin as a person- he seems humble, low-key; I like how he treats his fans (honest-to-god truth). I hate his game- as previously stated, I see him trying to play team ball on offense this season but I think he’ll always be a terrible defender.
And I can respect your opinion if you disagree, or even think everything I say is stupid. At least you explain why. Obviously you’re not a dick.
and by the way i am very aware that i am being a dick about it
But i do think it’s important to note how we are talking about certain players and what we all see on the court. And I have a problem with certain types of bias coming into the discussion (and yes, i know i have plenty too and am fully aware that I am opening myself up here to all kinds of criticism). Just know that when you start questioning a player’s heart and saying we are too talented to lose this many games in the NBA, I want to know what your basing it off of.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
If I remember correctly, you've commented about how you think K-mart has been trying hard to get his teammates involved on offense recently...
I would agree with that. I think he’s trying to be a team player offensively; he’s putting the effort in and I appreciate that from him. Still, he’s not very good at playing team ball- it’ll take a lot more time to adjust. If he’s always going to have to create his own shot to score, however- like some people here seem to think, that would just hurt the team.
Defensively, I don’t see much improvement.
Seriously bro?
There’s like enough names I have to remember already, now I gotta do the whole “Grasul=4-3” mental transaction every time you post? It was hard enough having to do it after eduardo changed his name… shit.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
And the "ed" and "m7"
IW is just another tool from an island.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I only know of 2 tools on this world
Chad Ford and Grant Napear. Let’s reserve that distinction for those two
By the way iaswash, I remember you asked me about Davis, right? Still moving down here? or did that ship sail already?
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Well I agree Chad Ford and Peaches is a tool.
But who is this Grant Napear fellow?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Ship pretty much sailed... unfortunately.
Would have been fun, but we’ll see what happens. Thanks for asking :)
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Just admit that just about anywhere is better than NJ. :)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Ever been to the great state of Delaware?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Are you trying to imply there is somewhere worse than New Jersey?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
yeah but setting up a corporation in Delaware has great tax ramifications
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
Shutup.
Go back to whoring for Tim Duncan’s greatness.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It's not called whoring when you do it for free.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Maybe slutting...
though, if fan promiscuity every became an issue of national outrage, the untold bloodshed will be quite devastating.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Feb 7, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can see that.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
NJ/NY/NYC will become a huge devastating quagmire
and we might as well erase North Carolina from the map right now.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
The USVI has 25 million people?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
what?
By “Fan Promiscuity” I meant anyone that has allegiances to more than one franchise in a sport.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Proof yet again I'm not that smart.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
When you're as great as me you don't have to bother with such nonsense.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe it is a little.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
lol
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
sorry
but that’s can’t be a fraction of the effort I’ve spent wondering what the hell an iashwash is…
:-)
Don't you want to leave well enough alone?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This is change I can believe in
I always get ForThree and HighTops mixed up…hell if I know why.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
How cruel would the world be
If Tyreke never fixes his jump shot and at the same time Lebron never stops taking them
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Yea, great game, No Technicals
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
My thoughts on the game
1) At the start of the game, in the game thread I said we should play Donte on Bargnani and Hawes and Aykis gave me crap about it (good naturedly). I was right Donte, did great on him the few times he played Bargnani and Bosh ate everyone on our frontline alive except JT, who had a moment or two of good defense, but mostly just fouled Bosh everytime he got it.
2) Noc played very well.
3) I still didn’t like the game Kevin had, and it has nothing to do with shooting. I’m just hoping its rust.
Did Aykis know it was you?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I was reading that...
…and I was like we had a smart newbie who lurked for a real long time. LOL
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by the way
a looooot of people are lurking, i didn’t realize how many people did that until over 900 people did that poll the other day
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Lot more than 900 people lurk.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Can you just delete that comment as it makes no sense.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Urijah Faber on Bosh!
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 7, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Damn it. I just had to miss this game.
Of course, it was showed here in the Philippines at around 4am so…
There can only be one Noce!
Sorry...How could I exchange sleep for a Kings game?!!? The shame of it all!
There can only be one Noce!
Just admit that you're soft and you can go on living your soft excuse for a life Noce. :)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The #1 Jolly Green Giant?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Stop making excuses just because you're soft.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Kings lately have been like an oreo
soft in the middle
Rock out with your Brock out
i am stunned that we have had over 300 comments and multiple Oreo jokes and yet no site of Carlton in here yet.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
7:22 Tyreke Evans enters the game for Andres Nocioni 95-94
1:27 Andres Nocioni enters the game for Spencer Hawes 100-112
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
I was going to make a Chapu joke.
But you make them so much better than I.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The only proper way to end this thread
“Will says I have to. He says it’s time for me to leave the nest and start having sex with girls. Safe sex, mind you, but lots of it!”
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
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