Additionally, sources say Minnesota has considered adding [Kevin] Martin to its backcourt. It's not known, however, whether Timberwolves general manager David Kahn would trade either member of his formidable frontcourt – Al Jefferson or Kevin Love.
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I was just thinking about getting some Love
coincidence …I think not ! (and by that I actually mean…I never think)
Let's just start collecting all the players from Gunnin' for That No. 1 Spot.
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by Juan Primo on Feb 7, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Mavs fans would start riot over losing Love for Kevin Martin
basically it will look just like the Tea Parties
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
er Twolves (wow that was bad)
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 7, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Kevin Love for Kevin Martin
I would do that instantly. But money doesn’t work out.
Martin for Love and Blount works. Love isn’t the defensive minded big man that many are hoping for, but I think he’s definitely a star in the making. A better David Lee. And I can definitely see him leading the league in rebounds during his career.
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And honestly
Minnesota needs to move one of either Love or Jefferson. If I were them I’d keep Love.
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Getting Love would be amazing, but improbable.
Martin and JT or Hawes?
JT and Martin for Love and Cardinal works. Cardinal is a 6 mil. expiring
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
I love Martin and all but
if Petrie gets offered a player like Love, who is averaging 11.7 rebounds in 31 games this season, he takes it in a heartbeat. He might not bring the post-defensive presence we need but he sure helps in the defensive rebounding category (on par with Pau Gasol, Zach Randolph, Andrew Bogut) at 7.2 DefRPG. Everyone but Tyreke should be considered a trading piece towards Love.
Assuming Minny isn’t dumb enough to trade Love..
The question is, Do we take Al Jefferson for Martin?
The question is, Do we take Al Jefferson for Martin?
That is one evil evil evil question. In fact, I think I would just chose not to try and answer it because (i) technically it’s like its unfair value for the Kings (ii) one could argue that Al Jefferson though is inherently flawed and (iii) the same can be said about Kevin.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
er, sorry
“technically it’s not like it’s unfair …”
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
Inherently flawed?
Are u talking about Al’s tendency to be injured or flaws in his game? I know we shouldn’t jump on any trade that involves Kevin and a big man, but a big man whose not expiring in a year like Sammy and who is still young enough to grow (he’s only 25) is definitely something to be considered.
One thing that’s a big no-no for me is including JT/Hawes in this trade.
Injured + Defense
and yes, those are both flaws Kevin has too. I know I initially mistyped it, but please don’t mistake what I said. I said it was an evil question because it is NOT (correcting my error) trade value for Kevin (ii) one could argue that Al Jefferson though is inherently flawed but (iii) at the same time the same thing cak be said about Kevin.
Summation: Not an Al Jefferson fan because i think his injuries and defense really concern me but at the same time i am nervous about the same stuff with Kevin and I would think we need a big man more than a Kevin at the moment. Basically I am all kinds of torn up because although fair I still just don’t like it. That’s the best I can do right now.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
wow i suck
“because it is NOT UNFAIR trade value for Kevin
sorry again i blow
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
Its all good.
I have the same worries about Al’s defense and injuries, but i think if both players provide us with similar flaws we take the one we need more (which is a big man), especially if another young, effective big man is impossible to find out there.
i can't help but think
that some Twolves fan is going to walk in here and be absolutely flabbergasted that Kings fans would be hesitant on trading Martin for Jefferson.
That be said, still doesn’t mean I necessarily want him.
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Yeah thats what I was thinking
I would do this in a heartbeat. I’ll admit that I don’t watch a lot of Wolves games but I don’t understand what makes people say they would undoubtedly take Love but would be hesitant to take Jefferson.
Jefferson: 18 and 10 on 49% shooting, 25 years old
Love: 15 and 12 on 46% shooting, 21 years old
Yeah you’d rather have Love, but the stats really aren’t that different. From what i hear neither are good defenders. Love is the better rebounder but both are good. Jefferson is the better scorer but both are good. Love is younger but both are still young. I think if they do offer Jefferson for Martin, you have to take it.
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"
-Chris Rock
If Jefferson didn't have a tendency to get injured
It’s much easier to make the trade.
Love on the other hand is a no brainer, averaging 15 & 11 as a sophomore he would be the cornerstone of the King’s team along with Reke for years to come.
Wait, what?
I want you to think about what you just said. You’re worried about getting Al Jefferson because he had a tendency to get injured? We’d be trading Kevin Martin for him. Last I checked, Kevin has the same tendency. In fact, Kevin’s is quite a bit worse.
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I would argue that Jefferson’s injury (the knee) is more worrisome than Kevin’s injury problems … but yeah, i think it has to be taken into account that Martin has so far been pretty darn injury prone
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
It's the re-occuring knee injury thats bothersome
I’d take Kevin’s wrist and ankle over a reconstructed ACL anyday. It’s all luck in the end, a bad fall, or something else but a bad knee for a big man is more worrisome than Kevin’s injury problems.
on a 6'10" 265 lbs frame
that is some bad mojo for future injury
by betweentheeyes on Feb 8, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Love is also a good passer and is also a decent jump shooter.
Jefferson is more of a down low kind of player. We need the lane to be cleared for Reke to really do damage.
IMO Love makes more sense for this Kings team. But Jefferson is the one potentially on the block (due to age, being older than Love, and Injuries).
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 8, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather have Love than Jefferson for a few reasons
1. Younger
2. More versatile
3. A LOT cheaper
4. Not injury prone as of yet.
Jefferson is a bigger risk, because if his knees blow out, he’s a big drain on your salary.
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If they're willing to part with Jefferson for Kevin, then yes you take him
Jefferson’s one of the best low post weapons in the league. His D leaves a lot to be desired but you don’t decline someone of his talent level.
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Kevin Martin and Sean May for Love and Cardinal(6Mil Exp)
Tyreke Evans for R.O.Y!
by sac-townz finest on Feb 8, 2010 12:28 AM PST reply actions
I'd still trade Martin for Jefferson
Martin is pure offense with little defensive game and injury prone.
Jefferson provides a purely offensive game/rebounding with little defensive game and injury prone + $3 mil per year salary on top of Martin’s.
In my opinion, this trade is balanced.
I don’t see why we’re looking for looking for a guy with Jefferson’s offensive abilities AND defense. In order to get a guy like that, the Kings would need to provide MUCH more than just Martin, since there are a lack of quality bigs in this league.
Wolves GM David Kahn
is a goof in over his head, as far I am concerned, but he is not trading Kevin Love for K-Mart. He may like K-Mart, but I can see him low-balling with a lesser guard off their roster like Ramon Sessions and filler. I wouldn’t expect the offer †o get much sweeter than that. Kahn talks of a mystical 3 year plan to become an elite team, so I don’t think he feels a lot of pressure to get better now. To make a relatively risky trade of Love or AJ for K$, trading big for small, as new GM he risks his job security along with the fortunes of the team. I’d be shocked if we made any sort of deal with Minny.
Yeah
In the article it says,
“Asked about Jefferson in late January, Kahn told ESPN.com’s Chris Sheridan he wouldn’t trade Jefferson unless “someone calls up with a deal that’s so preposterously one-sided, we’d have to do it.”
Meaning…unless the Kings trade Martin, JT and probably Hawes for Jefferson, there’s no deal to be done.
although yeah i do generally agree he is not going to trade Martin for Al Jefferson
remember: desperation is a stinky cologne
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Like I was saying
The Wolves are further off than us from the playoffs, as I see it. But ‘hey’ look to has a 4 game win streak? Kings haven’t won 4 games in their last 22, so I guess now is not time to take shots at the opposition.
Updated: February 8, 2010, 3:36 PM ET
Timberwolves holding on to core players
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MINNEAPOLIS — Minnesota Timberwolves boss David Kahn says he won’t trade any of the team’s core players this month.
Kahn was adamant on Monday that dealing Al Jefferson, Kevin Love, Jonny Flynn or Corey Brewer before the deadline would be a mistake. He says the Wolves could make what he terms a minor move before the Feb. 18 deadline, but that’s all.
Kahn also insisted that the Wolves have not initiated any trade talks involving Jefferson, their leading scorer.
The Wolves have won four straight games, a season high, but still have the league’s second-worst record at 13-38. Kahn says he sees the team two years away from making the playoffs.
Amick's Take
The Kings have lost 19 of 22 with Martin continuing to struggle and chemistry with his teammates clearly an issue.
That’s definitely an issue, and I’d be OK to be in the camp that says small sample size, give it time, etc. … if I thought Kmart gave a damn. But he just appears to be going through the motions. If that’s the case, he’s not part of the future and it’s better to ship him sooner than later if the right deal can be found that aids the Kings in their rebuilding mission.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 3:50 AM PST reply actions
I guess you can thank Amick as well.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
This from the unbased coolcat
who wanted us to keep Artest and dump Martin two years ago.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
Meant unbiased, but unbased works pretty well too
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Feb 8, 2010 7:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't recall wanting to dump Kmart
Reagrding keeping Artest, it was basically about a debate between rebuilding and keeping a core you could improve upon. The core was Martin and Artest.
The response of most of the folks here was that we could get rid of Artest and still win 30-35 games a year, that Artest wasn’t that much of a factor in us winning games. Those folks found out the hard way last season with a roster pretty much the same as the season before except for Artest, and that’s what forced Petrie to abandon Plan A and opt for a full rebuild.
Now Petrie is faced with a rebuilding team that is going nowhere fast with Kevin Martin back in the fold. It’s decision time, and I’d be surprised to see hium stand pat, particularly if some of the rumored deals that have been flying around are actually on the table.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So if only we had kept Artest . . .
we wouldn’t have traded Miller, Bibby, etc. and would be looking good for another season of 35 wins. Wow, let’s see 35 wins with no cap space and a guy who nearly took a swing at another player a couple of days ago. Or players like Evans, Casspi, and Greene , cap space, and the joy of waiting to see when bad Ron-Ron arrives in redacted-land. I know what my choice would be.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Feb 8, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, Ron is long gone
We are where we’re at, and that’s what we have to deal with here, not what I thought about Ron Artest two years ago.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
agreed
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
What I don't understand
Is your deification of Ron-Ron as a player the Kings could build around, while you currently want to ship KMart out on the first train to expirings-Ville.
You might be the king of statistical parsing on StR. Yet, when I looked up the statistics of Artest and Martin when they were playing together, I see the following:
Ron Artest:
2006-2007 season (70 games): 6.7 Win Shares, 18.59 PER
2007-2008 season (57 games): 4.7 Win Shares, 19.27 PER
Kevin Martin:
2006-2007 season (80 games): 10.2 Win Shares, 20.12 PER
2007-2008 season (61 games): 8.4 Win Shares, 21.51 PER
Kevin Martin is and has been clearly a better player than Ron Artest by almost any statistical measure. Kevin Martin is 3 years + younger than Ron Artest. Yet you’ve always treated Ron-Ron as some kind of building block and Kevin as an unproductive scrub.
So my question is – why do you disregard your entire stats based philosophy when it comes to Kevin Martin?
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Again
What I favored two years ago was building around a core of Artest and Martin. Now we have blown up the ship, but still have an $11-million piece who is pouting and going through the motions and who doesn’t make us better as a team. Meanwhile, we have needs and can possibly address those by shipping out a player who is rapidly falling out of our future plans.
And Kings fans seem to be in favor of that, unless you want to discount the results of the Martin for AI-Daly poll.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
technically i think you can discount the results of the Martin poll
If I put a picture of a rabbit online and did a poll asking if it’s male or female (without a crotch shot mind you), the answer to that poll will make zero difference as to whether that rabbit was male or female.
I personally prefer to look at the arguements being made.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
The response of most of the folks here was that we could get rid of Artest and still win 30-35 games a year, that Artest wasn’t that much of a factor in us winning games. Those folks found out the hard way last season with a roster pretty much the same as the season before except for Artest, and that’s what forced Petrie to abandon Plan A and opt for a full rebuild.
Just for the record, my response was that Artest was unstable, a jerk and a distraction. It had nothing to do with wins and losses. I wasn’t the only person who felt this way.
This
I was all for dumping Artest as well as the extra 10-15 losses. We needed to rebuild, period. Artest brought the few extra wins that made that really hard to do. But he also brought tons of issues that we didn’t need around our youngsters
www.mancancook.net
I agree
Artest was a distraction, and in the end he was a polarizing figure, something I’d argue Kmart is also becoming, not for all the same reasons, naturally. And I like the potential of the assets we acquired in the Artest deal. Now if we can really cut the ties with the past, we might be on to something.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
That being said, what a load of crap.
Artest was a distraction, and in the end he was a polarizing figure, something I’d argue Kmart is also becoming, not for all the same reasons, naturally.
I was (and still am) a big fan of Ron Artest, and that fact didn’t prevent me from seeing that the deal we made to trade him was the right thing to do for the franchise. I understood the animosity some people had about Artest, and would certainly not argue that he wasn’t the type of player you build a playoff team around. He, like Martin, is a highly-skilled complimentary player.
But Martin a distraction? Polarizing? Horse hockey. The only people distracted are people in forums like this with industrial-strength wedgies because they don’t understand rebuilding. You say you do, but you don’t. Unless you can spend recklessly or completely rip off incompetent franchises, you have to blow your squad up, draft well, make smart (if small) free agent moves, hope for the best, and for the thousandth time, have some patience.
Does anyone actually believe Kevin is polarizing his teammates, and is a distraction to the team? Does anyone actually believe that his teammates, the people who know him best, think that he, one of the most efficient and skilled scorers in the game, won’t be able to get his stroke back? Are you serious?
We can talk about trading him, because no one is untouchable, and that’s fine. It keeps our little minds busy between games. But if you truly believe this franchise gets better faster trading away Martin for expirings, I can’t help you. LeBron James will be in Cleveland next year. Wade will be in Miami. Bosh will be in Toronto. And we’re getting another high draft pick in a few months. I don’t know if anyone coming out is going to be an all-star caliber player, but the draft is the guts of how this franchise is going to get well again.
If you can’t take watching a young team going through growing pains, there are plenty of other things to watch on TV or read about online. I will welcome you back in a couple of years when this team is becoming a real pain in the ass for NBA teams to deal with.
And I know when I see you again, it will be sunny, and 73 degrees outside.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Feb 8, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
damn
Can a post go any color other than green?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
In Sims case it isn't work.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm sure Omri and Beno and Donte
won’t shed a tear if he is shipped. I think they’d gain a little playing time. I’m eager to see Omri and Donte soak up those extra minutes, because I know they will at least be busting their butts.
The bigs will benefit because they won’t have to cover up when Kmart gets beat, and then get beat when a guy like Robin Lopez dunks on the followup.
I don’t think if he’s traded it will be for expirings. That would really surprise me and say more about Kmart than anything.
And, if the partners we’ve heard rumored are accurate, a trade would be a good thing for Kmart as well. A chance to play in the playoffs again before he’s 30. Hopefully he will be able to get used to a more questioning fanbase as well.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
I thought the Kings could withstand Artest's presence because they had performed well without Artest in the recent past up until that point.
What happened was that Brad Miller took a dump on the franchise after Artest was moved and that killed any chances of being competitive.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Is this the smoking gun we've been waiting for?
That proves Kevin has cut ties with the franchise and the fans?
Hmmm…color me disappointed.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Nope
Kayte C responded to me on Twitter that if the Martin interview after the Suns game was not on the Kings TV website, which it isn’t, then it may not be available. I’m still hoping to hear back from the folks at 1140.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Okey dokey
We’ll just keep waiting. This conspiracy is kind of depressing to me – and I’m most disappointed in Sam Amick for keeping such a secret. But I guess with newspapers being so healthy these days, they really don’t need these types of stories that might actually sell some papers.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
by otis29 on Feb 8, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d be OK to be in the camp that says small sample size, give it time, etc. … if I thought Kmart gave a damn
So if he was flopping around everywhere like John Brockman yet was just as effective on defense as he is now, would you all of a sudden like him because he “gives a damn” and isn’t “going through the motions?” Because that would be dumb.
If you don’t like Martin’s defense go nuts and keep saying it. I am getting tired though of constantly hearing about heart, passion, and whatever else.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Jon Brockman. Not John Brockman
He ate the “h” when he ran out of pancakes.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 8, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I'm talking about both ends of the floor
That 26-minute, five-point effort against the Suns was probably bad if you were watching it on TV, but it was worse in person. No hustle, no effort, just a sleepwalker.
It was kind of humorous at the game. My son was sick, so I took a friend who’s not a huge hoops fan instead. In warmups I pointed to Nash and said, that guy will be the best player on the floor tonight. And he was. And during the game, I told him the No. 23 who was doing nothing makes $11 million a year and the guy who was scoring all the points (Donte) makes less a million a year.
The Kings might as well have been playing 4 on 5 when Kevin was on the floor.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
So now he doesn't give a damn on the offensive end?
And just because you can point at Nash and deduce he might have the best game that night doesn’t really convince me of much.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Nash's dominance was just a sidebar
Martin’s no-show wasn’t much of a surprise, either. I’ve gotten used to it lately.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
How about
Four seasons as a starter.
Four losing seasons for the Kings.
Long enough time frame for you?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Ernie Banks is a douchebag
Get him out of the Hall of Fame.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Kevin Martin
isn’t Ernie Banks. Ernie Banks is in the Hall of Fame, and Kevin can’t even make it to the All-Star Game. Get real.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
hahahahahahahahahaha.
And Shareef is a shitty basketball player. And Charles Barkley is garbage because he never won one. And Reggie Miller can suck a turd too.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
2 of those 3 guys have at least grabbed for the brass ring
During Kmart’s offseason.
Do you real want him to aspire to being Shareef? Nice guy, good scorer, but how many playoff appearances?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
So do you want the Kings to suck forever
to prove your “point?”
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
No -
The point is that the Kings sucked in spite of Richmond, not because of him.
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And the Kings improved by trading him.
I think we have a chance to improve by trading Kevin, and I don’t see a lot of upside in keeping him.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
I can agree with that
Recapping, you want to trade Martin because he can bring value to the team, not because he is a loser as you alluded to earlier. Yes?
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Reread what I've written
instead of recapping with one misleading sentence.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough
You mentioned that Martin was bad against Phoenix.
You said that the Kings have been losers since Martin has been a starter.
You feel that the KIngs could improve themselves by dealing Martin.
What, exactly, is your point?
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you must have really hated it when we traded for Webber
that injury prone loser
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I’m curious why it’s going on. Unfortunately, it sometimes happens with SBN.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
i actually think it's my fault
above i was using bold on one of my comments and i did the (strong) thing to begin it but i forgot to put one at the end. ALmost my entire comment got bolded and then everything afterwards started getting bolded.
About an hour ago, when complaing with “this bold print thing” i used the (strong) thing again to bold the word it. I wonder if that fixed it.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I don't think that's it.
I just think it’s a SBN glitch. But you could be correct Wally.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't really want Love or Jefferson
They only compound the defensive problems on the interior.
But if you have an opportunity to get a 20/10 guy (which Love can be and what Jefferson is) you do it. They very rarely change teams for good reason. It would just then become all the more imperative to get a true dirty work defending big. Unfortunately they rarely change teams too.
The case against Al Jefferson
A lot of people have been pining for Al Jefferson, and I think he’s a very good player. But, I believe he is the wrong guy for the Kings. I live in Minnesota and have probably seen Big Al play 100 games, which doesn’t make me right, but does make me feel good about having a reasonable opinion.
We know Big Al is a tremendous post technician, I believe he is the best in the NBA. He scores easily, with either hand, from any angle, against even good defense while posting up. I’ve said before, if you have kid that wants to learn how to play post up basketball, Big Al would be a great guy to watch.
Here are the caveats:
1) He’s not a great athlete, he’s a great technician. Because of this, he’ll never be a standout defender. He’s crafty, not dominating.
2) You have to run your offense through him, or there’s no point in having him on the team, and Big Al takes time to do his thing. He’s good at it, but Big Al is allergic to a motion offense or an offense predicated on ball movement. For this reason I have trouble seeing him coexisting well with Tyreke Evans.
3) Its tougher to prove or quantify, and I want to be fair to Big Al, because he’s not lazy, but he’s disinterested sometimes in playing defense. He’s never going to be a high energy guy at that end, and he seems like a bad mix with other defensively challenged bigs (Hawes/JT). I will say, Big Al would play real well with Spencer on offense. High-Low with Spencer and Big Al would have lots of potential for scoring points.
I did actually do a little research to back up my assertions here. I compared Big Al to Boozer, Brand and Zach Randolph up to age 26 or so. Note, that I am not specifically advocating getting any of those guys, only trying to make some stylistic comparisons.
The link can be found here: Basketball Reference
The primary take aways I have are these:
Everyone knows Zach Randolph is a blackhole right? Big Al is about 30% less likely to get an assist than Zach, and a little over half as likely as Boozer or Brand. I’m not saying Big Al is a ball hog, because if you’ve seen MN basketball recently, you know there’s a good reason not to pass to the other “players”, but I will stand by my assertion he’s death on a ball movement offense.
Also check out turnovers, Big Al turns the ball over less than these other guys which of course is a good thing. However, Tov% is a function of shots to turnovers and again makes the case Big Al gets up a lot of shots per turnover, reinforcing the idea that he’s the endpoint of the offense, not a facilitator of the offense.
To sum up, if you want high octane offense, and can live without real good defense, I think a Carlos Boozer or Elton Brand (from 4 years ago) type player is a lot better fit than Jefferson for us. If you want Big Al, you need to build around him, which means finding a defensive big that can stick a 15ft jumpshot and intimidate, and surrounding Big Al with shooters, which doesn’t seem to describe our current team very well.
by Grasul on Feb 8, 2010 9:14 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Guys
Stop typing your entire post in the top box.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
Ha
Called myself out before you could! :)
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
It's also impossible to type out your entire post in the top box SB. Gras knows this.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hmm
My bad. Looks like it’s some kind of bug, bolding everything.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
how is JT at shooting 15 footers?
yup, waaaay too lazy to actually look it up myself.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 8, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
pretty decent generally
but will he ever be a good enough defender?
If we add Big Al, I would guess JT would be the 3rd big for the forseeable future.
I join you with the idea of "bleh" of adding Big Al.
He’s not what the Kings need AT ALL.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Is he better overall than Kevin Martin?
I think he is. So if the trade is offered I think you have to take it. For what he does he’s not that expensive. It’s a pretty linear move in my opinion. However, he’d definitely be a huge trade chip because other teams will want him
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I don't care if he is or isn't.
He makes more than Kevin and isn’t worth what he’s being paid. He also doesn’t make the Kings better in any way where Kevin at his best at least fills an important hole.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What hole is that?
The one that leads to more losses and higher draft picks?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
You say that like higher draft picks are a bad thing.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
We can get high enough picks
and still win a little.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 8, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah sure.
That isn’t well wishing. </ sarcasm >
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm sorry but
talented wingmen are a dime a dozen. They might not be as efficient as Kevin but there are a lot of them. Talented post up big men are much harder to come by? Then we’d have two starters who can give us a consistent offensive output every night
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How many of them shoot 40% from 3 and can get to the line 10 times?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Interesting
rec’d
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 8, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
enjoyed reading this
would equally enjoy one that is pro Jefferson.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not really sure why Amick threw Love's name in there.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 8, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Reading everything in this bold print is surprisingly difficult and unpleasant on the eyes
A new update or something?
V fixed it
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
My presence fixes anything
but I don’t think i did. Everything’s still bold for me
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No
it’s not
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 8, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
That should be better
(and now, back to my regularly scheduled hiatus from posting on StR until after the trade deadline)
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