Grant Napear RIPS Kevin Martin Today On His Radio Show
by Ichiban on Feb 8, 2010 6:30 PM PST
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Grant Napear, in one of his all time most vicious rants, totally went after Kevin Martin.
I wish that I had a link to the audio. Instead I will paraphrase what he said, to the best of my ability.
1. Kevin Martin's actions during - and especially his comments after - the Suns game were reprehensible and an embarassment.
2. Kevin Martin is a VERY weak player, MENTALLY - he said this probably 5 times in the 8-10 minute rant.
3. Kevin Martin will never be able to be successful playing in the background with Tyreke, because he will not be able to accept that Tyreke is now the Alpha dog.
4. Kevin Martin is a good player ONLY IF he hits his outside shots - and he cant seem to do that anymore.
5. The injury is no excuse... enough time has passed.
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Now I don't hate Peaches (other than his love for the NY teams), and I think he is a good play by play man, but I felt his rant was WAY over the top. He effectively said KMart will never work with Tyreke because he is too selfish and mentally weak.
Did anyone else hear this? Your thoughts...
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Grant Napear is going to have to eat some of his words with Kevin's game yesterday!
Kevin really stepped-up at the right time in OT against the Knicks. Grant should learn to keep his mouth shut and keep his thoughts about Kevin himself.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
When Peaches agrees with you
You may want to rethink your position. If Peaches and Voison agree with you, cut your loses and run.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
Or continue on with your radio show
or get that next article prepped.
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I agree wiht the point that KEvin needs ot hit outside shots
he does not do much else.
he said something about hating sacramento and refusing to ever fill his car with arco gas
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I think he said that all the trade rumors
have been hard, not so much on him, but the rookies….I don’t remember anything of note
that's what's puzzling me
If he said anything really irksome, I’m sure it would have been all over the place. I’ve searched all over and I can’t find any commentary.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
he said
that the trade rumors were affecting the team. Grant basically said that they’re not, and that Kevin “needs to get over it.” Then compared the situation to Amare, saying that it only bugged him for a week, and he got over it.
That's because Amare doesn't care about how his teammates feel
Trade rumors don’t effect your box score
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that is a load of bull
that it didn’t bother Amare. Sorry but that’s crap, he’s been in trade rumors for about a year now and seems to me it shows.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 9, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
I think we all have to remember
Peaches had already started with the “soft” thing last year so IMO he has his reputation invested in this
5. The injury is no excuse… enough time has passed.
Personally i think this is the one point out of these five that I can understand. I do think enough time has passed. Of course, it could be a problem with figuring out his role on the team since things have changed but either way I would agree, I don’t see how the injury is an issue.
Other than that, this all seems pretty bush league. I dunno how Napear would know whether Kevin could handle another “alpha dog” or whatever the hell that means. Is Tyreke even an “alpha dog”? Is that supposed to mean just best player or a leader off and on the court? And why is he turning it into a Tyreke vs. Martin thing?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
i know i have asked this before elsewhere
but i had not lived in California for or awhile (until like the last month of the season last year) and I am just wondering whether Kevin Martin was being advertised here as a young future star player because this almost feels like a situation where the local media and even the organization might have tried to oversell a player and in the process got people’s hopes about him and when the team played like crap the fans got pissed and ended up looking solely at him because he was being pumped up as the savior, the future stud, the one guy who will make this team good. Seems like a situation where people built him up as something he is not and then when things went south through all the blame on him.
I dunno, sorry if this was a bit of a ramble.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Interesting question.
He was the clear face of the franchise a year ago, and that hurt his image quite a bit.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think it's worth repeating
He represents the down years in the new millenium. After being a championship contender for a couple years, Kevin Martin emerged as the face of a franchise that was in decline. Now, people feel that to get back up, they need to get rid of everything that reminds them of those bad times.
He’s a good player, but he’s not great. He was the best player in the worst team in the league last year. That’s not his fault.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I don't think it's anything he did himself.
I just think too many people are influenced by the brouhaha.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The funniest part of this whole situation
is that Grant Napear is leading this “get Kevin out of town” movement. Grant freaking Napear. I’m sure CC is proud to be a follower
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Hehe yeah.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think honestly a lot of people turned on Kevin last year
primarily because of all of the terrible endgame situations, many of which were just plain shockingly bad… like the recent Denver game when he tried to win it with that ugly foul-draw fail, but even worse. That combined with the injuries, somewhat high (unreasonable) expectations, and, as Ed said, being the best player on the worst team. It’s easy to forget how ugly last season was. It was Peaches-in-a-bikini ugly, and to many fans last season belonged to Kevin Martin.
In comes Tyreke Evans, he of the game-winning shots and league-wide acclaim, and it’s pretty easy to see why there’s a mob of fans begging for Kevin to be sent on his way.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 8, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
it just amazes me though that it turns into a Tyreke vs. Martin thing
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I know
but I just think that for a lot of fans Tyreke underscores what they don’t like about Kevin Martin. The “clutch” factor. The perceived “toughness” factor. The defense. Kevin’s game is mostly ugly, even when he’s at his ridiculously-efficient-scoring best. Tyreke is pure art on the basketball court; built like a Michelangelo, fluid and powerful as a symphony. Obviously, it’s not like it’s not possible to love both of them, but in my opinion to many fans who see Tyreke as “The Savior”, Martin is what the franchise needs to be saved from.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 8, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't catch your question
But, I think you make a good observation about the media and Kevin Martin. He was the key focus of attention and hope for the team. When things go south, there is usually going to be a scapegoat. Kevin has been an obvious target of blame.
Not a ramble, you expressed something worth considering.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Peaches is an idiot. Or on his radio show he is.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Because no one in this league is affected by trade talk
Every player is Superman with super emotions that make them unbreakable. I’m so tired of these guys being hold to higher standards when it comes to being human just because they make a lot of money. It’s BS
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
i actually heard Mike Lamb say that he was talking to some people without the Suns organization about how Amare was bothered by trade talks for like 2 days (actually i might have remembered it wrong, might have been 2 weeks but definitely not longer than that).
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
These are the words of a man who is really angry.
This whole situation of Grant Napear making all of these blatantly hostile statements about Kevin Martin is becoming very bizarre. Does anyone know what started this whole thing off?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Ugh grant napear needs to....
calm his big head down…This guy is a really good play-by-play announcer but he needs to stick with just that. Talking about players is jerrys job. right?
Peaches is a tool.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Do you have balls you Nancy?
Say it with some emphasis boyo.
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PEACHES IS A TOOL!!!!111!11!!!!11
how’s that?
by UCIrvine kings fan on Feb 9, 2010 1:00 AM PST up reply actions
What do you mean by a tool.
A tool for what and by whom?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Smart man.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That's the thing that sucks about Napear's show
He isn’t funny. He just isn’t and there is not much he can do about that. Neither is Lamb all he does is preach heart. Basically the only time it gets halfway interesting is when Napear starts telling everyone they are idiots and starts venting (and when i say interesting, i don’t mean in a good way).
Basically you would have to be one angry, angry person to enjoy sitting through that show. It’s pretty painful (and what’s worse is that there are no replacements here, Kozimore’s show is brutally boring).
That being said, I can’t talk ill of his play by play, i personally like it more than Gerry Gerald’s (even though yeah Gerry is obviously a classier guy) and watching league pass at my friend’s house I have learned to appreciate what we have here (the Heat announcers make my eyes bleed)
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
We should pair G-Man and Jerry Reynolds on air.
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I really don't dislike Grant most of the time
But he is not a bright guy, and he has vendetta’s he just won’t let go of.
An honest comment from ElRon?
Holy fucking shitballs Batman!
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Grant never holds back his opinion.
Not the first nor last Kings player (or personnel) Grant will jump on his radio show. Personally I’m not a fan of Kevin Martin (well not his basketball game) but it doesn’t do much for me to ride him out of town.
Kmart needs to get together some teammates
and jump grant napear before a game. who needs a pregame shootaround?
My only reaction to this...
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 8, 2010 8:46 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
OMG
I could not stop laughing. I had to show my wife who cracked up. Truly great and perfect reaction. Rec’d!
According to Grant today one of the other things Kevin said after the Sun's game was
that “it is easier to play out of town than at Arco now”. I take that as a slight to King’s fans and mental weakness on Martin’s part. Grant was 100% correct today with his opinions about Kevin. As usual though, he lacked tac and was basically an a@@ hole towards Kevin.
I agree with ed above. Ed said that we hold these guys to higher standards than many of us could bear. I don’t know how I would feel if people were booing me that once embraced me. One thing I can tell you is it would be tough.
Martin has to go unless they start winning, IMO. Winning is the only thing that will cause the fans to cheer and make Martin happy again. Though enough damage may have been done to Mrtin that it would not make adifference. As we have seen, Martin plays bad when he’s unhappy. And I don’t see the King’s winning this year. UGH
It’s tough because I really think Martin is a nice and cool player, not only for the game but also for the fans. Times they are a changing.
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
Here is the thing. We aren't losing because of Martin
Peaches is a first class tool and an asshat like no other. We lose in the low post. Bottomline and that is all. The #1 reason is our bigs and not K-Mart.
here's the genius of peaches
they went to commercial break and then when he returned he emphasized that “of course it’s not all Martin’s fault.” So now he’s got all his bases covered.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
I don't think your looking at the big picture.
You are only half right in saying, “We aren’t losing because of Martin.” Without Martin we were losing and with Martin we are losing. The only difference is we are losing more, a lot more with Martin. He’s played 18 games and we have won 2 or 3 of those 18? Because of that I have to disagree with you and say the #1 reason we are losing is Kevin Martin at this point. Is he the 2nd best player on the team, talent wise? IMO, yes. Does that mean it could not change according to my view? Certainly not. I know we all hope it does.
Another thing, I don’t like the booing either. The guys are trying to win. It has got to be demoralizing to hear your home fans booing you while you play. It would bother the heck out of me.
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
Is it Martin's fault?
Martin plays the shooting guard position which should have very little to do with the effectiveness of Jason Thompson who can no longer hit a two foot shot or stay on the court do to foul trouble. Martin cannot control the fact that Beno Udrih’s shooting percentage has dropped approximately 6% in the month of January or that Omri Casspi can no longer hit a three point shot with any consistency at all? The Kings were losing before Martin came back. They will continue to lose if he gets injured again and misses a bunch of time. We are looking at a very flawed roster here.
The #1 reason the Kings are losing is because the other team is scoring more points than they are. Other teams are dominating the Kings in the post, a portion of the court that Martin does not typically roam. Martin could score 50 every night and this team would probably still lose a large portion of the time and that is not an indictment on Martin. I’m not saying that Martin is free of blame here but to say he is the #1 reason they are losing is a joke.
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by jjham15 on Feb 8, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
The #1 reason the Kings are losing is because the other team is scoring more points than they are.
You know, one cannot over emphasize that point. You just can’t.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
So, since you answered my comment with
“the #1 reason the Kings are losing is because the other team is scoring more points than they are” (which I cannot deny is the main reason obviously :)), would you peradventure really answer the question whom the blame is to be placed?
I mean, you mentioned JT, Beno, Omri and Martin. Is it mearly chance that they have really sucked since Martin came back? You admit Martin is not free of blame – we agree. But who bears the most responsibility out of the players. There’s and old saying, “that to whom much is given much is required.”
Martin has been the best player on the Kings in the last 4 years (with Evans better this year). Is it too much to say that he bears most of the responsibility for the very poor play of the team since he came back? Has he played great, good, well or poor since being inserted back into the lineup after his injury? I would say he has played poorly. Does this discount his ability to contribute later. Definitely not, I too wish that he come out of his slump more than 1 game in a blue moon.
The Kings were 14-18 without him. With him on the floor they have been 2-16. I see a corrolation between the Kings’ below average record of 14-18 without him and their horrendous record of 2-16 with him. Is it not related? So then whom is to be blamed the most? Can you answer me this, which player?
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
Ok, I will try to answer the question without being a smart ass Kwill.
The losing may be a bi-product of Martin returning but that does not necessarily mean that it is his fault- stick with me here.
- Throw the first 5 games of the season out the window. Paul Westphal completely over estimated the value of Sean May and Desmond Mason.
- Kevin Martin, as a scoring guard, shoots approximately 16 times a game. Add to this that he is one of the best in the league at drawing fouls at a little over 7 attempts a game this season (over 10 for last season). Now these numbers are not out of line with what a standard scoring guard would take but they are very out of line with what replacement players the Kings used in Martins absence. So basically, take Martin and his 23 combined shots and distribute those touches to a group of guys named Udrih, Greene, Omri, Udoka, Evans etc.
Here is where I see the major problem with the Kings. For more than thirty games, young players got used to shooting and scoring because there was plenty of touches to go around. Now, there is a major decrease in pure touches because Westphal/Martin/the team run plays for one guy who has notoriously been a consistently great scorer.
So let me make my leap- Donté and Omri, two young and talented players are finding there way in the league right now. Neither player has reached their full potential and neither player is ready to say- “I am a role player”. So what we have are moments of frustration and overzealous play that has caused Greene to have either a great game or a horrible game- depending on whether the shot is falling and Omri has become a bit of a chucker who misses a lot more than he hits. I don’t fault these guys because if you are Omri Casspi and playing for an entire nation of people, you want the ball more than 7 or 8 times a game so when you do get it, it’s go time. Donté- I’m sure he wants to be a starter, an all-star, a HOFer but in order to get there you need to score and be productive. So in effect, Martin, by the shear fact of who he is and what he brings to the table, has inadvertently knocked a number of players off kilter, really a whole team off kilter.
My final leap- I firmly believe that although most of the Kings players truly like each other, they do not have this mystical chemistry that most folks believe them to have. Thompson, Brockman, Udoka and Sergio to me are “team guys” who do the things that help other succeed. Obviously Thompson is struggling, while Brockman, Udoka and Sergio are getting inconsistent minutes. The rest of the team, in my eye have been pretty focused on individual statistics- whether it be for Israel, the Republican Party, a Rookie of the Year trophy or just pure redemption, these guys have played for themselves and it has worked…sort of. Now Martin is back and these guys are still playing an individual game but now it is forced and ugly and not productive because they are fighting for one ball against each other and against a bulk shooter in Martin.
Here is my suggestion: Turn it up coach. Run the shit out these kids. Switch them in and out when they get gassed but let’s get 5-10 or more extra possessions a game. 5 -10 extra shots a game should make everyone really happy including the fans. Most of the Kings players are made for an up and down, wide open style where the shot clock rarely hits 10 (Donté, Casspi, Sergio, Martin, Evans, Noc, Beno even Brockman and Thompson).
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You're right
And if the Kings can get a solid big man in trade for an unhappy player, that might be the win-win solution.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
You keep calling Martin unhappy.
But where has he ever stated that he’s unhappy about anything except the trade rumors and his own performance?
Just because you’re unhappy with him doesn’t mean he’s unhappy.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 9, 2010 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
You might want to reread that
It’s quite a jumble of contradictions: he’s unhappy with the trade rumors, his own performance (and the Arco fans), but that doesn’t mean he’s unhappy.
You’re right, he looks just thrilled to be here.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
You keep saying he's unhappy with the Arco fans.
But you’re extrapolating a meaning from his words that I don’t see.
Maybe it’s easier to play away from Arco right now because they booed him and he feels he deserves it until he’s back on track.
Nobody is harder on Kevin Martin than Kevin Martin.
Except for maybe you and Grant Napear.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 9, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
You're right
It’s me and a tiny gang against thousands of die-hard Kevin Martin supporters.
It’s time for a poll so the lurkers can weigh in without fear of reprisal. I think the AI-Iggy trade poll showed a bit of that anti-Kevin feeling, but let’s lay it out there and see how much support he truly has.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
That poll showed how anti-Kevin we are?
I disagree. That poll showed that people are willing to trade Kevin Martin for a really good package.
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Damn dude
You just owned yourself in the same post. The results of the AI-Iggy trade show you that MOST of this group is interested in trading Kevin if they feel it helps the team. That’s not the same as being reflexively pro-Kevin.
AKA – you lose the argument, again. This is a recording.
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
technically I would have to disagree
I don’t think we can say the poll meant that most of “this group” is interested in trading Kevin if they feel it helps the team.
Now, I actually don’t know what you mean when you say “this group.” Are you referring to the people who comment here (the editors and the usual crow) or everyone at StR (even the lurkers).
If you are talking about the vocal people and the editors, I think the comments below the poll are alot more important than what they actually voted for.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 9, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Actually
It’s me and a tiny gang against thousands of die-hard Kevin Martin supporters.
This is the gist of my disagreement. CCR continues to play the role of a noble singular warrior against the oppressive hoards of Martin lovers.
You mentioned the comments in that poll – and I’d say that a good percentage of them were from the vocal minority. However, the vast majority of those felt that the deal was a bad one from a long-term financial standpoint, or from a value standpoint. They weren’t weeping at the idea of losing Kevin Martin.
I’d say there are very few people here opposed to trading Kevin Martin in a fair deal – Kevin’s supporters IMO aren’t a bunch of fanboys and girls who would faint on sight if Kevin said hello to them at the AM/PM.
And his characterization of the polling as “anti-Kevin” continues to show his unhinged bias against the player. That poll was “pro-trade”, not “anti-Kevin”.
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
exactly
What i meant was that I don’t think we can say the poll itself meant that most of "this group" is interested in trading Kevin if they feel it helps the team, but that the comments themselves by “the group” (I was assuming you meant the vocal people here) I felt had more value because the reasons behind the vote were hashed out. Just saying that technically I felt the comments had more value in the way.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 9, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
well, I'll take it one step further
So what if he is in fact unhappy? Personally, I would be troubled if the players weren’t getting frustrated right now.
Players don’t always have to be happy for the organization they work for. Heck how many of us like our employers?
As far as player performance, I do think that’s fair game. I just feel like a lot of people are taking reasonable concerns and turning it into a situation to throw dirt on a guy.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 9, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
That's lazy analysis
To say we are losing primarily because of Kevin ignores many factors…such as the toughness of the schedule, home vs. road, that he’s working himself back into NBA shape after an injury…and that the team was pretty much horseshit prior to his return (and yes, amazingly enough we were losing consistently with our golden child Tyreke playing well).
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Sometimes, "you" can't see the forest for the trees (not you specifically)
And the easiest answer no matter how unlikeable is the most correct one. Marins has sucked at shooting since he has been back. Martin sucks at defending. The reason the Bigs are have such a hard time in the paint is because Martin is letting guards and small forwards drive the lane for a score or assist to a big. This ain’t rocket science. The numbers coencide with Martin’s return.
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
if you are going to mention the D part there
you might as well through Beno and Tyreke into the conversation as well
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
My intention is to not go over every person or players liabilities
but to compare the difference in play of the team caused by one major factor – the return of Kmart.
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
Certainly is a factor
If Kevin isn’t shooting well, he’s a liability in some ways. But history has shown that Kevin won’t shoot like this forever.
Also, trying to pretend that the bigs were playing great defense during Kevin’s absence (and that the opposing backcourts weren’t performing layup drills) is a whole lot of revisionist history.
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
You set up a straw man just to knock it down.
Where did I say, “the bigs were playing great defense”? I mearly pointed out that the defense is worse with Kevin and the bigs have more pressure on them because of the lack of defense that Martin provides compared to when he was out. At least be intellectually honest and don’t posit my opinion in a different light.
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
Fair enough...my apologies
Your implication though, is that the interior defense is worse since Martin’s return…correct? If you can show those numbers (showing the interior defense his degraded based on Martin’s return), I’d love to see them.
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
My premise is that Martin is such a bad defender
compared to Greene and Casspi that he alows his man to penetrate more than them, which creates more problems for our bigs, resulting in more points in the paint for the other team.
As far as numbers…I don’t know were to find those kind of numbers. But I too would be interested to see some regarding average points in the paint for the other teams when Martin was out compared to when Martin is in. Maybe someone else has those numbers?
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
Otis, I will have a fanpost up tomorrow
I found a site that addresses these issues. The hard part is quantifying it via quantitative and qualitative analysis, but I will do my best.
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
brave man
with all seriousness though, looking forward to reading it.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Kings fans shouldn't be slighted
They were the idiots who decided to start booing him. I will never boo a Kings player. We’re better fans than that.
Just imagine what it must be like for a guy whose entire career has been here, he’s thrived here, and he doesn’t come back automatically from an injury and he begins to hear boos.
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by Aykis16 on Feb 8, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
Yes it's so unfortunate you probably live less than 10 miles away from Grant.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Wrong comment.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I always reserve the right to boo anyone.
I just don’t think that booing Kevin that particular night makes a lot of sense. But for those who were booing it’s their right.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Feb 8, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree Pookey although that missed lay-up was some limp wristed bullshit.
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That's probably the first time he was ever booed.
The followup boos in the Suns game were directed towards the whole team following a 22-3 run.
I agree, the booing is harsh, but it’s also a pentup reaction to the losing, the injuries and the other negatives Kevin brings to the picture: his below average passing, dribbling and ballhandling skills, his matador defense, his poor crunch time decisions and results. People apparently expect more from our $11-million man.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
Which is good since he's making 9.6 million dollars this season.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
$9.6 million?
And all he does is score in bunches on just a few shots leaving plenty of opportunities for everyone else on the team to score points? What a waste of money
www.mancancook.net
Yeah he should be traded for an expiring contract.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Whoa now
I agree that we shouldn’t boo him for struggling…but the only play I remember him being booed for was the missed layup with no one within ten feet of him. I booed my freaking TV after that one.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 8, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
I was frustrated
But I wouldn’t boo him.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
My point was that
I think that was the only play he was booed for. If he was really that crushed by people booing after he didn’t even hit rim on a layup with a ten-foot gap between him and a defender, maybe he IS mentally weak. If that wasn’t the only time he was booed at home I’ll happily eat my crow.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 8, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That wasn't the only time
The team got booed the last game as well. They have been booed the last couple of home games.
thank goodness they did dollar beer night earlier in the year
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
I meant MARTIN getting booed, not the team.
I’m relatively certain they were booed last year at home. Perhaps during the Boston game?
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 9, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
It's not really a problem if he can't play well or hard now at Arco
>>If he was really that crushed by people booing after he didn’t even hit rim on a layup with a ten-foot gap between him and a defender, maybe he IS mentally weak.<<
Because we only play half our games there and we’re awesome on the road.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
It was a little more pointed than that
that "it is easier to play out of town than at Arco now". I take that as a slight to King’s fans and mental weakness on Martin’s part.
But that was the gist of what I heard Friday night. And it certainly did come off as a slight to Kings fans. And his effort that night was like: “If they’re not going to support me, I’m not going to give my all.” That kind of attitude is very hard to accept, particularly from someone who is supposed to be your team leader.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
So Dipshit #1 rants away
But the question is – did Dipshit #2 get out from underneath Napear’s undercarriage long enough to defend Kevin?
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Mike Lamb likes to deal in suggestions and innuendos. Dudes a snake.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
Weasel.
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my favorite part about every time you make a strong or aggresive comment
is that i keep picturing kevin johnson saying it.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
Standing behind some 15 year old girl rubbing her shoulders.
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again, i see Kevin on the right sign of my screen talking about 15 year olds
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
It is amazing
how such a large man can be so afraid of The Be-Gingered One.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 8, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
I just don't understand
this vendetta against Kevin. This team has a lot of problems. Kevin not shooting well since his return is just one of them. I believe Kevin has been pretty classy throughout his years here and he just doesn’t seem like the kind of an arrogant player that the media would love to hate. I wonder what it is, really.
Mike Lamb knows nothing about basketball
I don’t even think he likes it so his opinion on the Kings means nothing to me. He would only talk about football year round if he could. Grant is a douche who garaunteed the Lakers would not win a championship as long as Ron Artest is on the team. That remains to be seen but a pretty brash statement still. This is no suprise Grant is a grade A douchebag. I ran into him once & he was a flat out jerk. Bobby Jackson should have whipped his ass when he questioned his heart. I didn’t hear what he said but I have heard enough of his rants to know he is a douche. Long live the Peaches nickname!!!!
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Feb 8, 2010 9:28 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I heard the Bobby Jackson rant.
It really wasn’t as bad as people are saying it is. But his radio show is stupid, and that’s why I don’t listen to it.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I've met Grant a couple times
One time was at Super Clips, and he came in, saw that they were all busy and he had to wait, looked at his watch, and just paced till someone came to help him.
2nd time was at the Raley’s gas station when his kids asked if they wanted candy, and he told them no. That’s not really too bad, most parents do that.
Anyway where was I? Oh yeah. Peaches is a tool.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Yes it's so unfortunate you probably live 10 miles away from G rant.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
When the Kings came back from China
I knew someone who worked at the airport & knew where & when they would come out to board the bus. So my cousin & I went there in our Kings gear just to get maybe a hello from our beloved Kings. We were the only fans there. Grant was one of the first people to walk through. I said “hey what’s up Grant?” he looked at me like he wanted to fight me. I thought “ok long flight” but every player off the plain smiled & responded to us & even a few shook hands with us. I remember B-Jax & Webb being especially cool. Webb was even on his cell & paused his convo to say wussup to us with a big smile. Brad looked his usually frustrated self though but that’s Brad.
I love beating dead horses.
They wouldn't let Brad smoke reefer on the plane.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement, Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order, and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
thanks a lot Bin Laden
Kings fan in OKC
by rockrichmond2 on Feb 8, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My friend has a great Peaches story
His family has connections to Bobby Jackson’s family, so they were able to go down to the locker room after a game. Jackson was kicking it with some people when Napear came in. He headed straight for the buffet and started pigging out right at the food table. He was grabbing all kinds of crap and put some of it on a plate and the rest of it in his mouth. At one point, he grabbed a roll, and headed for the restroom. When he returned…the roll was gone.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 8, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
I'm gonna guess the roll didn't go in his mouth
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by kangsfan on Feb 8, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If i ever go to a Sactownroyalty night
and i ever see you there, please remind me about this story
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
The Peachquel is on March 19th against the Bucks if you want to go.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I want to go
So does my friend who witnessed this story firsthand. Will details be available soon? I need price info and whatnot.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 12, 2010 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Getting close so look out for it
Section will probably have an article in the front page. I’m guessing tickets may be the same as last time, 25.50 is I recall correctly. First time was a lot of fun, but the second one we’re going all out.
Aykis is bringing the Peaches signs and we’re chanting rookie of the year for Reke while Brandon Jennings keeps chucking 3s
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
It van't be this can it?
Kevin Martin
"It just wasn’t me out there. I have been here for five years and I just don’t feel the same out there. I just can’t put a finger on it. I have never been in a situation like this before."
"I feel fine physically, mentally? No."
No ElRon.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That isn't what CC has been talking about.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Something worse and hasn't been corrobrated.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That IS a disturbing quote, though
You’d think his lowest point mentally would’ve occurred at some point last year…
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 8, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
There isn't much of a difference between this year & last year
except this year KM is getting a lot of the blame. Last year he was more a piece to the solution going forward.
I love beating dead horses.
Napear
Is the one who is not mentally tough. All his early talk of young team, give chemistry time to form – bullshit. He’s a simpering sniveler.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Once you have your core in place
(and its not complete yet) It takes at least a year for true cohesion and chemistry to mature into trust and wins. And we’ re at least one interior defensive player from having a complete core. Its hard to build trust when you can’t stop teams from scoring on you all over the floor, but Especially at the rim – which is just disheartening. Add to that that we don’t score easy ones on our end in there and . . . .
A big piece is still missing.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 8, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Its hard to build trust
when people in your own organization, whom you represent, like to talk shit behind your back
Napier has been riding Martin for a few weeks now.
I’m really surprised that the Kings continue to put up with his crap. Maybe Martin isn’t the franchise player that the Maloofs/Petrie/fans hoped he would be but Martin is under contract for a while and as far as I see he will continue to be one of the leaders on the court. Hopefully Martin will do what a man should do, what both Jackson and Kenny Thomas did and call the show to defend himself. I think that doing this would be very therapeutic and those worthless bastards would lick his balls on air like they did Jackson and Thomas.
Right now there are a lot of players who are not holding up their end of the bargain. Hawes took the summer, November and December off and I don’t Grant calling him out. Thompson has regressed mid-season and Grant barely acknowledges that he is struggling? Evans went off in the last 5 minutes of the San Antonio game and before that, George Hill (23 and 9)had kicked his ass all over the court, as did Stephen Curry (27 and 7) and Steve Nash (23,10 and 8).
Point is, Grant is picking on Martin because Martin is non-confrontational which makes him an easy target. Basically, Grant is a bully and he has chosen Martin as the straggler falling behind the herd. Until Martin shuts him up or someone else does, this is only going to get worse.
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by jjham15 on Feb 8, 2010 11:40 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Grant would not dare saying anything about Tyreke
If he did that he would be fitted for some concrete shoes.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
I think he knows Martin doesn't like him in return
And you are right – I’m sure Kevin will probably take the high road here, but someone in the organization should get his back on this.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
I think the players should do the exact opposite
As a group they should refuse to talk to Napear at all. Since Napear’s livelihood is partially dependent on being able to interview the players he would be in a world of hurt if they all started declining to be interviewed by Peaches. I sometimes wonder if one the reasons they don’t do player interviews after the game is that it is clear they don’t like talking to him. It’s pretty to see them smile when they talk to Jerry and look studiously neutral or stone faced when talking to Napear.
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu
What makes Napear a major league douche
and effing annoying as anything, and grating to the ear drums so as to make them almost bleed, and I did not hear his rant today, but I have heard his shtick many times before, is he is parroting the talk shows he heard growing up in New York. His shtick is not only not entertaining, and mean-spirited, and a lot of times without any intelligent basis, it is not even original shtick. And if you are going to be an angry unintelligent mo-fo with vocabulary of a 5th grader, at least sprinkle in some humor. Dude has no wit.
He’s not horrible as a play-by-play guy, but lately there is a lot of awkward dead air on the telecasts, boring and irrelevant comments, and forced laughter by Peaches. Jerry will make his little wry observations now and again, and you’d think Peaches just listened to 10 minutes of Chris Rock stand-up the way he yucks it up like a red headed hyena.
the dead air could be because they have less advertisers so there are a lot of holes to fill in during the broadcast
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 9, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Isn't the whole show dead air?
StR Token Female
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 9, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but where is the copy of those comments?
1. Kevin Martin’s actions during – and especially his comments after – the Suns game were reprehensible and an embarassment.
The Kings and/or the radio show and/or some journalists have them, but are apparently not coughing them up. I’m still waiting to hear back from the radio folks, but I am not holding my breath. Let’s hear the 4-5 minutes snippet and let folks judge for themselves, particularly about the comments about the Arco fans.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 9, 2010 8:25 AM PST reply actions
If the fans have the right to boo(& they do, I don't think it was right but whatever)
Then why doesn’t KM have the right to boo back? Which it seems that’s essentially what he did. He shouldn’t have to kiss peoples asses that boo him or want him gone. Now, that’s not everyones feelings so he shouldn’t generalize & paint all the Arco fans with a broad brush.
I love beating dead horses.
Honestly, I think Kevin IS having trouble adjusting to Tyreke as the alpha dog
However, that doesn’t mean he won’t be able to adjust at all. Once you get used to being “the guy” its hard to let go of that, period. But, does that mean he can’t or won’t? Hardly.
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I agree here.
I find it interesting that NBA experts throw out this “if Martin was paired with (insert all-star point guard) they would form the best backcourt in the league” but Martin and Evans cannot formt he best backcourt. My issues with Napier stem from him passing blame on one guy and then attacking him because it’s not in his nature to respond. I agree that this has been a rough transition for everyone involved and that the whole Alpha Dog comment has some validity but I also believe that it is a team issue, not a Kevin Martin issue.
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Dear Kevin Martin
PLEASE just go out there, average your 25 PPG, and shut everyone up.
Sincerely,
Me.
by Dub_TC on Feb 9, 2010 9:56 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
umm...what station is ESPN again?
oh yeah that’s the one i listen to every day on the way home. Because i’d rather listen to reports about Mark Sanchez dealing with jock itch than Peaches and Lamb begging for callers and making idiotic statements like this.
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
by debrixtha1 on Feb 9, 2010 10:02 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1,000,000
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
I love it when the beg for callers
and then get completely terrible ones and bitch about it.
www.mancancook.net
yeah
and then the play off “we’re not gonna take any more callers today”….because the 2 who did weren’t any good?
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
Rather watch DeGeneres do Stand Up than listen to Peaches
Every weekday afternoon during the NBA Season, Grant Napear kicks insightful radio commentary square in the ’Nads and then craps on its chest!
by Olberdingleberry on Feb 10, 2010 4:45 PM PST reply actions
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