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Kings offense is one directional

Not to be confused by one dimensional, one directional refers to the idea that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.    The ball to the post up player or the ball to the basket would be two examples.

 

In the Toronto game we had Tyreke in the left corner with his man fronting him and Spencer left wing extended trying to pass him the ball, but the pass was too difficult and Spencer threw it past Evans and out of bounds for a turnover.   In another game, the opponents switched when Sergio & Spencer ran a screen at the left elbow.   Spencer moved to the low block with the much quicker PG (mouse) fronting him.   Sergio had Spencer’s man fronting him with his hands up making a lob pass impossible, and with the mouse fronting Spencer a bounce pass was sure to be picked off.   So, after wasting valuable seconds trying to make an impossible pass, Sergio had to beat his man and drive into the lane as the clock ran down.   The help defense was waiting, and he missed a contested jumper. 

 

In both cases, the weak side players did nothing and contributed nothing to the play.  So, the defense had the advantage.   They knew where the ball was and where the Kings wanted it to go, so they positioned 2 players along that line and dared the Kings to make a play.   And, because the 3 Kings players on the weak side of the court weren’t involved the King didn’t have a second option.

 

Here’s an example of what I call a 2 directional offense.   In the mouse in the house example where Spence is in the low block with a PG fronting him and Sergio is at the left elbow extended, the defense has the advantage.   They have 2 defenders on the line in which the Kings want to move the ball.   So, the Kings need to take that advantage away from them by moving the ball to the weak side via the pass and creating a new line of attack.

 

Here’s one example: The weak side guard moves out to the top of the arc half way between the side line and the right side of the lane, as if he’s about to receive a pass and put up a 3pt shot and he draws his defender with him.    At the same time the PF moves toward the player defending the SF who has set up in the corner.   As the PF sets a pick on the SF’s defender the SF curls out of the corner and to the right elbow.   Now, Sergio has a 2nd passing lane, so he passes the ball to the SF.  And, now the 2 defenders who blocked the original passing lane between Sergio & Spencer are completely out of position.

 

Now, we have created and entire new set of problems for the defense.   The SF who now has the ball at the opposite elbow is open for a shot, he has a new passing lane to Spencer in the blocks or he can continue down the lane toward the rim.   Or, if the man covering the PF switches and moves out to defend the SF, the PF releases and goes to the basket, giving the SF a 2nd big to whom he can pass.   It’s something you hear JR say almost every telecast, “move the ball from side to side”.

 

So, if it’s that easy why don’t they do it?   Well, I don’t have a good answer, other than they’re young and the offense is still developing.   Or, it could be a side affect of the “ISO” or “1-4 Flat” that the Kings use so much.   The weak side players must move as far as possible from the lane to draw their defenders with them, that there really isn’t any room to move.   Or need to move for that matter.   Plus, my example does call for at least 2 of the 3 weak side players to recognize and initiate an off the ball screen or pick.

 

In every great military battle, we hear how the line of defense was breached at several points, or how the defense was out flanked, or my favorite was that they used a Pincers Movement.   Well the Kings are the Red Coats in the War of Independence, marching in a straight line, beating their drums, and saying here we come try and stop us.   And, or opponents are the Minutemen hiding behind a tree shooting the British Solders and saying “Look at those idiots marching straight into our defense”.

 

I know there will be people that will say our offense scores enough points already, just let Tyreke & Martin get the ball and create.   But, there needs to be a balance, a 2nd option for those games when the long shot isn’t going down and the defense is waiting in the woods for the Kings to go straight at the rim.   The other players on the floor need something more challenging to do besides standing around waiting for someone to pass them the ball.   And, the defense needs to have something more to worry about then sending 3 or 4 guys to stop Tyreke every time he handles the ball.

 

Since Kevin’s return from injury, I’ve seen him use weak side screens to get free and he’s making cuts and going back door.   But, a lot of it is just Martin, and the back cuts are just Kevin reversing direction quicker than his defender and getting open at the rim.   Well, most of the team isn’t as quick as Kevin, and they can’t do it on their own.   The team needs to work on off the ball screens & picks, to free players up for passes, open shots and to create lanes to the rim.   And, I still haven’t seen a PG pick off any of our bigs defenders, freeing them up to roll to the rim for a pass and easy basket.

 

The season is more than half over, and we’ve seen what the players can do individually.   Now, it’s time to start working together and show us what you can do as a team.   Hopefully, it will be multi directional.



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I agree with a lot you say HT

and I think the offense has become very predictable and that’s on the coaching staff. I think some of this is also on the players though and it’s a point I touched a bit on the Toronto game thread: the Kings are so young so these guys’ basketball IQ is just not there yet.

Aykis and I briely discussed how early in the game Reke could get into the lane and to the basket as much as he wanted but we wondered if he realized that or if the other players would realize, in the moment, that those plays were there. Tyreke was in full distributor mode so he didn’t really take advantage. Maybe it would’ve been a better idea to attack early and once the defense adjusted (like they did in the second half) he could’ve started looking for his teammates. This is all on paper of course.

Interesting enough, the biggest example of this assumption happened sometime in the second half. After a switch, Donte was left with Calderon defending him in the post. You all probably remember this play because Omri instead of clearing space to let Donte go to work on the smaller Calderon, just stood there behind the 3 point line but close enough so that Omri’s defender could help on Donte’s post up. If Omri would’ve recognized the mismatch he could’ve moved to the other side of the floor to clear room for Greene.

Donte missed the shot and clearly got pissed at Casspi. This play pretty much also got Omri out of the game. This type of decision making is just not there yet and it’s not about Omri, or Donte, or Reke, or anyone in particular, I think it’s about the team as a whole. Just one thing to pay attention to.

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by edm7 on Feb 8, 2010 8:44 PM PST reply actions  

I remember the play

Donte was backing down into the paint and Omri came along the baseline. I don’t know if he was trying to get into position to rebound or if he was looking for a pass to go backdoor. Either way he got close enough that his man doubled Donte and stole the ball. I actually though about putting that play in my piece as an example of how little the young player, seem to understand about creating space and playing away from the ball.

When PW called that timeout and was upset at Sergio & Brockman about the poor defense of the pick & roll in the Suns game, it just seemed to me to be another example of why the Kings need to play their guys in more fixed rotations. That way no matter whether it’s a defensive lapse or offensive one, PW can get them together in practice and work on these issues. And, it isn’t rocket science so it shouldn’t be taking forever to see improvement. Lack of recognition a few plays a quarter is ok and natural. But, to never seem to know what needs to be done doesn’t sound like a pro team to me. I’m a dumb amateur and I see it during the games at full speed. And, sometime during the replay.

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by HighTops on Feb 8, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

This
And, it isn’t rocket science so it shouldn’t be taking forever to see improvement.

That’s exactly what I’m thinking when we still look clueless defending the pick and roll. I understand that even good defensive teams have defensive break downs from time to time, but that seems to be more of a lack of execution vs. a lack of understanding. To me, it seems like more of the latter for the Kings, which I don’t quite understand. Is there a scheme in place by the coaching staff? I would presume so. Is it a matter of the players not understanding their responsibilities? I don’t know the answer here, but I do know that P & R defense should not still be a glaring problem at this point in the season.

We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

by outrider on Feb 9, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I forgot whoever it was who said it (might have been you HT) that Tyreke does not get easy baskets for his teammates off the pass

Likewise, this Kings team does not get easy baskets at the rim with the same frequency as they were doing earlier in the season. That’s one reason why the offense has dropped off.

I think one problem has been that Omri & Kevin have not been hitting their outside shots with any frequency. Neither has Spencer for that matter. Or JT.

I think that’s really the problem with the offense. The shots that the Kings were hitting at a higher rate earlier in the season are now starting to not fall at a much higher rate than ever.

So anyway, good stuff HT. Rec’d.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 8, 2010 9:41 PM PST reply actions  

Yea Pook, I think that was in the discussion on why Evans doesn't get as many assts as he should.

I looked at the 11 games with the most assists at the rim, and the total number ranged from 11 to 15 assists in the 11 games. Sergio had the most assists at the rim with 23, Evans was 2nd with 22, Beno was 3rd with 21, and Spencer was 4th with 18. Of course some of those might also been on fast breaks and not half court plays.

Not to down play the importance of assists around the rim, but we lost 8 of the 11 games even tho they were the games we achieved the most assists. Of course we also shot very poorly from 3 pt range in most of those games, which may be why we went to the rim so much. I haven’t really tried to analysis that part of it.

As to the shooting percentages, we take over 40% of our jumpshots from the 16-23 ft range and beyond the 3pt arc. Which if you remember from TZ’s analysis on shooting are the worst shots to take. If you look at past history of our players, they really don’t have above average shooting percentage. So, what we’re seeing now might be more in line with what they should be shooting and the early season success may not be the norm.

If that’s true than getting easy baskets in the paints may be the only way to improve our winning percentage. That and learning how to defend.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Feb 8, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

In my opinion

Spencer is the best at getting the ball to guys at the rim, especially when players cut to that basket. He’s very skilled at that bounce pass to a cutter from the high post. It’s worked on several occasions and sometimes to devastating effect (The play that sent our first win to OT for example).

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by Aykis16 on Feb 8, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Spencer is very good, especially with Beno & Martin

but there isn’t any reason why Tyreke couldn’t be equally as good. Except the team always clears out when he has the ball, instead of trying to get open. Which is my point. When the team involves all 5 players in the offense, Tyreke will be a more valuable player.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Feb 8, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Having a big man

who is capable of pounding it in there on occasion makes life a lot easier, opens things up.
All that you say is true and you’re talking about using the tools we have more effectively but -
It just makes me more aware of the tool we’re missing.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 8, 2010 10:10 PM PST reply actions  

agreed

reminds me of what David Aldridge after the draft…
“Kings are in the talent acquistion business…because they don’t have enough talent…”

by getPGwithbounce on Feb 8, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't read the whole thing but this got my eye....
In the mouse in the house example where Spence is in the low block with a PG fronting him and Sergio is at the left elbow extended, the defense has the advantage.

For me, this sums it up. When you’re at a disadvantage when the PG guards your center in the low block…something needs to be done…something needs to change…

by getPGwithbounce on Feb 8, 2010 10:21 PM PST reply actions  

And, the change you recommend would be what?

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Feb 8, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

he totally missed your point

and used it to take a shot at Spencer, because its his fault the PG can’t make the pass in that situation.

by Grasul on Feb 9, 2010 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe the PG can't make the pass because...

Spencer can’t get open with a PG on him….
But it can also partly be Sergio’s fault as well….

by getPGwithbounce on Feb 9, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Or maybe the defense just did a good job, and no ones to blame

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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by HighTops on Feb 9, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Great stuff HT

As usual. Toronto was actually doing the exact thing that you were saying. Their offense is very unselfish. I think the Kings might have to take a look at some of that film and look at what Toronto was doing. If Toronto were any good at defense, they could be a very, very good team.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 8, 2010 10:37 PM PST reply actions  

Hightops, have you ever thought about doing video or some type of media with your scouting reports

for us illiterate bastards who have lost the ability to use our imagination

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 8, 2010 10:54 PM PST reply actions  

Someone did post a video from some site with analysis, but I don't have video capture capability

If it would help, for those that record the games, I could add the game clock time. Then if anyone wanted to they could go back to the dvr and fast forward to see what i’m talking about.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Feb 8, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice job HighTops

Coachie would completely agree with you I think.

There’s two aspects of the question, how much is infamilarity and how much is design.

The design part is the big question. How interested is PW in running a motion type of offense like you want? Honestly, I want it also, and I think it fits our personnel well, but a lot of successful NBA teams run sets essentially designed to setup a good matchup 1 on 1 with little help available and then play from there.

I think SA’s offense is like that, then run a set to get Duncan the ball and see what happens, no double? they count on Duncan beating you, double? then the ball moves until it finds an open shot. Or they run a simple pick and roll with Parker or Ginobelli having the ball. Depending on how you play it, those guys make the decisions. It works because the guys standing around, usually are doing so in a place they’re dangerous and the spacing is good, and of course the decision makers are good.

Beyond design, part is also just experience and familiarity. Our guys need time playing together and it will get better some. I agree with you, I hope to see growth over the 2nd half of the year.

by Grasul on Feb 9, 2010 7:49 AM PST reply actions  

If the Kings create a mismatch

or try to exploit a mismatch on the strong side of the court with two players, it is up to post entry passer to make the right pass at the right time. If he is open, get him the ball! Our guys don’t do that so well. Passing the ball into the post is a skill. It is also up to the post player to seal his man to make himself a open to receive the pass.

I see your point about weak side action, but the strong side needs to execute better. That’s a matter of individual talent and cohesion as a team. Let’s face it, some of our guys are being asked to make plays they cannot make, consistently or at all, due to own skill level and opposition superiority. No game plan will compensate for that.

Players on the weak side are smart and opportunistic enough to move to open spots. Every one wants to score. Our players need to be more unselfish in finding each other. I have seen a nice improvement in Tyreke and his willingness and ability to move the ball. This type of play will inspire guys to keep moving in anticipation that they will receive a pass if open.

by bench_blob on Feb 9, 2010 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

right

We’re just too slow making those entry passes and then our young bigs tend to try to operate too long, allowing the double-team, rather than making a quick, simple move.

Hawes has been looking a lot better on that lately, making quicker decisions and not trying to ‘fool’ NBA level players, just beating them with his game when he can. He’s seems to have simplified a lot and its working.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 9, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree, our guard miss a lot of opportunities to get the ball in low especially early in the possession

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Feb 9, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Unless it's a dominant post player (which we don't have)

you have to get it in on-time and on-target and the big has to operate immediately or it destroys any advantage. I’m not talking about hastily throwing it up of course, just a good, concise move that either works or it doesn’t. Don’t wait for the double team or telegraph for 2 or 3 seconds, which is what JT has been doing too much of.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 9, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you point that the 2 man game places the responsibility to perform on the 2 players

and for the most part they do it well, Spencer in particular is 3rd or 4th in assists at the rim. But, you can’t deny that other teams get easier baskets in the paint because they move the ball.

It’s very difficult to make an entry pass when both players are at fixed positions. The low post guy doesn’t want to move because he’s already in position to score when he gets the ball. So, the ball handler must move to create a passing lane. But, dribbling the ball is slower than passing it. As with the case with Spencer and Sergio, when Sergio did dribble it the defense had time to react. The short pass across the lane was the better choice. Also, Spencer is not quick enough to seal off a PG and if he tries to use his strengh he’s probably going to get called for an offensive foul.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Feb 9, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Not really a relevant point

But when reading this all I could think of was that Orlando Magin team back in 2000 when McGrady signed with them. I just remember McGrady and Armstrong doing everything on offense but neither of them could help the guys in the paint get going (McGrady was actually the only one who was even able to do it). But then again, all they had down there was Garrity, Bo Outlaw, Doleac, and John Amaechi.

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 9, 2010 10:37 AM PST reply actions  

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