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There's No Place Like Home: More Reasons Not to Give Up on Kevin Martin

The Kings played five games with Kevin Martin at the beginning of the season and lost four of them for a sterling 1-4 record. Following his injury, the Kings won 14 and lost 18 (a .438 clip), giving them a 15-22 record and a .405 win per(thousand?)centage. Now that he’s back, they’ve lost 12 of 13. With Kevin in the lineup, they’re 2-16, which is a woeful .111 winning percentage. .438 > .111. Therefore, the Kings are much better without Kevin Martin—right?

 Not so fast. Numbers can be so misleading.

(Note: This does not include the OT win at New York.)

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It’s clear to anyone who can do simple math that the Kings have lost a lot more games with Kevin than they have won. And it’s clear that they won a lot more games without him than they have with him. But that doesn’t tell the whole story.

In the games without Martin, the Kings played a group of teams whose current (as of February 9th) winning percentage averages out to .507. The opponents from the games with Martin have an average winning percentage of .536. That’s a pretty significant difference. But even that doesn’t doesn’t tell the whole story.

In the road games Kevin’s played in this year, the opponents boast a .545 winning percentage. They haven’t won a game on the road with Kevin yet (Update: take that, Knicks). The opponents from home games including Kevin win at a rate of .517. But we should probably dig a bit deeper.

Kevin has only played in 6 home games this year, as opposed to 16 road games. The two wins Martin took part in came against the Warriors and the Grizzlies. Memphis has actually put together a decent team and currently sits over .500, but Golden State is a team that most teams should beat at home. The four losses have come again stiff competition: Atlanta, Charlotte, San Antonio and Phoenix have a combined .580 winning percentage.

The majority of Kevin’s opponents have been good teams, and 73 percent(!) of the games he’s played were road games. The Kings have played 19 home games without K-Mart, as well as 13 on the road. Without him, they played 59 percent of their games at home. That’s a huge difference. But even that doesn’t tell the whole story.

Let’s look at the winning percentage of the opponents in games where Kevin didn’t suit up. In the games that the Kings won without Martin, the opponents had an underwhelming .446 winning percentage. The losses came against teams with a .554 winning percentage. With Martin, the opponents who defeated the Kings average .555.

That’s right. The Kings are going to lose against the better teams whether K-Mart’s playing or not.

The 11 home wins without Speed came against the juggernauts with a massive .423 winning percentage. Without him, they lost 8 games at home to teams with a combined .598. The road wins came against the Bulls (who blew a historic lead), a buzzer-beater against the young bucks, and the Jazz, who were caught totally off guard. Yes, they were legitimate wins. No, they haven’t won many more games after that.

But let’s not forget that the Kings had lost 8 out of 10 games before Martin returned. The slump was already on.

Since I’m not always as concise as I’d like to be, let me give a Cliff’s Notes version.

 

Opponents’ current records from games without Kevin: .507

Opponents’ current records from games with Kevin: .536

 

Significant? I’d say so.

 

Home games without Kevin (percentage of games without Kevin): 19 (59%)

Home games with Kevin (percentage of games with Kevin): 6 (27%)

Opponents’ win % from home wins sans Kevin: .423

 

11 of the Kings 14 K-less wins were home games, and 8 of those came against sub-.500 teams.

 

Opponents’ win percentage from losses (without Kevin): .555

Opponents’ win percentage from losses (with Kevin): .554

 

The Kings lose against good teams equally, whether Kevin’s playing or not.

To all this, I say: let’s give Kevin a few home games to gel with the team before we jettison him off for a pack of exercise balls. The Kings’ early success was due, in part, by their much weaker schedule. Kevin’s done nothing but work his butt off ever since he was drafted, and people want to put the blame on him for the whole team’s woes, regardless of the fact that most others have been slumping lately.

Everybody hates losing. On a rebuilding team, however, you’re going to lose to the .555 teams more often than not, and that shows through in games with and without Kevin. Let them take care of the weak teams at home, steal a few road games against the peons of the league, and then hopefully be competitive against the tougher teams. That’s still a lot better than what we expected before the season started.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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This is pretty much piggybacking off what 214 has said in several places.

Still, this is a great place to put it all together. I hadn’t really thought about it, but the heavy majority of games Kevin has played has been on the road. So that is worth the rec alone Jedi. Good job.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 9, 2010 10:36 PM PST reply actions  

True

Halfway through writing my post, I noticed that Section had said a few of my points already. I’d already done so much spreadsheetin’ that I I decided to just go through with it anyway.

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by JediLeroy on Feb 9, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

If he had wanted to write a post about it he could have done so.

Good job.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Feb 10, 2010 12:08 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah

if he wants to be lazy and let Jedi take the glory that’s his fault.

Good points regardless, though.

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by debrixtha1 on Feb 10, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

This was much better

than my 20,000 foot flyover. Thanks for doing the work, Jedi. You aren’t just a photoshop wizard. Well done and rec’d.

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by section214 on Feb 10, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Great analysis.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 9, 2010 11:01 PM PST reply actions  

Confused

Home games without Kevin (percentage of games without Kevin): 19 (59%)

Home games with Kevin (percentage of games with Kevin): 6 (27%)

I got 86% here. Shouldn’t be 100% when you add them up?

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 9, 2010 11:33 PM PST reply actions  

Sorry, that's strangely worded

The Kings have played 19 home games without Kevin, which is 59% of the total amount of games that they have played without him. In other words, Three out of five games without him were home games.

With Kevin, they’ve played 6 home games, which means that 73% of the games in which Kevin played were road games.

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by JediLeroy on Feb 9, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

oh okay, not confused anymore

actually now that you explained that, it’s the most telling stat in my mind.

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 9, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Percentage

is, by definition, per 100, so if you wrote out the .405 as a percentage it would be 40.5%.

Great post, though. We started the year on the road (KMart’s 5 pre-injury games) and have played most of our games on the road since he came back, so it’s not terribly surprising that the very young Kings have lost most of those games.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 10, 2010 6:54 AM PST reply actions  

And the teams we have played at home since he's been back

Have been good to great.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 10, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

NO NO NO

it’s all Kevin’s fault.

Nice post.

by Dub_TC on Feb 10, 2010 8:13 AM PST reply actions  

It's called coincidence

Stop making excuses for Martin now (sarcasm)

Well done Jedi. Appreciate the effort

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by edm7 on Feb 10, 2010 11:44 AM PST reply actions  

"The Kings are going to lose against the better teams whether K-Mart’s playing or not."

While I think your post is well executed, this quote above is sort of a backhanded complement. If Martin is to be our (second) best player, he needs to make an impact against the good teams.

by sactown on Feb 10, 2010 2:32 PM PST reply actions  

So what about the other players?

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Feb 10, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Kings are 2-0 on the road since this post. It’s like they’re trying to refute your point!

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by Aykis16 on Feb 10, 2010 9:01 PM PST reply actions  

lmao

true and peaches probably wants to take the credit for amping kmart up.

by 2KMART3 on Feb 10, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah
On a rebuilding team, however, you’re going to lose to the .555 teams more often than not, and that shows through in games with and without Kevin. Let them take care of the weak teams at home, steal a few road games against the peons of the league, and then hopefully be competitive against the tougher teams.

All this does is solidify my point that the Kings aren’t better off without Martin.

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by JediLeroy on Feb 10, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

It makes me wonder why Peaches went on the air and ripped Kevin knowing there were 2 good chances to get a road win this week.

I think he had a feeling the Kings might win 1 or both games against Ny/Detroit and that’s why he did it on Monday. Gives the Kevin Martin fan support group a reason to call him (that ain’t happening) now that he’s been proved wrong twice in a row. LOL

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Feb 10, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm actually tempted to listen to the show tomorrow after work

Just to listen to some callers try to rip him. Of course, he’ll get the last laugh and drop each and every call.

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Feb 10, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

i doubt it

The reason he said it on Monday was because he was reacting to the comments after Friday’s game. He was not on the air for the next two days so Monday was his first day on the air after that.

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 10, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Right I know that.

But it’s not like Kevin stunk in the TO game either.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Feb 11, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Great Post

And it doesn’t even count that Reke was still adjusting during Martin’s first few games and now Martin has been finding his rhythm and adjusting to a new role with an essentially new team since he came back. Reke-Martin may not work, but there’s no reason to not give them the year together unless a ridiculous offer for K-Mart comes along.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 11, 2010 1:24 AM PST reply actions  

Goodbye

Kmart is great guy, nice team player, works hard, can score “efficiently” … but he doesn’t help this Kings team at all, which GP and most objective fans could see … and for $11MM? That $$ is better used on a player that can D up and hit the boards. The scoring will come from Reke, Casspi, Greene and Hawes – the new generation.

by Watty4ever on Feb 18, 2010 9:27 AM PST reply actions  

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