I have been rumored!!!
by 27freethrows on Feb 9, 2010 11:40 PM PST
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Ok, so I have a friend that knows a guy (don't all good rumors start this way) with some inside knowledge. I call it it inside based the fact that he has access to a guy that could legitimately hear of a rumor, and his isnt the type of guy to make stuff up. Normally I would just give my pal the old, yah whatever, but in 6 years, he's never came to me quoting his source. Never. So, if he did make it up, I think he wouldnt quote the source. If you know what I mean...
As I alluded above, my friend just inst the type of guy to make stuff up. According to him, the following trade was offered to the Kings early today and the Kings have yet to respond.
I am not saying it will happen, but I heard we (yes, we as in I if part of the kings) havent said no yet. On paper, in my heart I hates it. I paper I highly dislike it. I see the angle, but I just dont think it fits. Is there talent, yes. Are there 2 offensive contracts coming our way, for one (Noce) going theirs, hell yes. Talk me down guys, talk me down.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Let me put this simple: No.
Brand is a huge contract for what JT already gives us. Martin is better fit with Tyreke than Igoudala so No! Let’s give up KT and Noc for something else… Tyrus Thomas is my vote.
Tyreke Evans for R.O.Y!
by sac-townz finest on Feb 9, 2010 11:45 PM PST reply actions
I think it's the perfect trade for us.
We dont have to kill the kmart and tyreke plan to get something we really need
Tyreke Evans for R.O.Y!
by sac-townz finest on Feb 10, 2010 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Let me add to that no
that trade will never happen, won’t happen, shouldn’t happen, shouldn’t be considered, isn’t being considered and the reason that Philly hasn’t heard back the the King’s front office is that it’s the single worst trade they have ever heard and are still laughing too hard to talk on the phone.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Well...
Brand is a Level 3 player with negative value. Iguodala has significant positive value, but so does Martin. Basically it’s two separate deals:
Iggy for Martin
AND
Nocioni and Thomas for Brand
My take:
The Kings only do this if Iguodala is considered to be a decent-sized upgrade to Kevin Martin. If the deal was Nocioni and Thomas for Brand, the Kings likely don’t take it. Brand has an awful contract, and hasn’t been playing all that well this year either. Brand used to be awesome, and exactly what we need, but he’s not that same player anymore; he’s an average player with a monster price tag. If the Kings take this deal I’ll be very disappointed.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
Dalembert instead of Brand and I probably do it
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 9, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Hell no!
Dalembert instead of Brand? Maybe, But only because Nocioni is involved. I said no to KM & K9 for Iggy & Dalembert but if Noce goes that would be hard to turn down. That being said no way GP goes for this. I think he calls back & says change Brand for Dalembert or no deal & Phiily probably says no thanks.
I love beating dead horses.
I'd still say no but
We don’t have to worry. The salaries don’t work out with Dally
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by 27freethrows on Feb 9, 2010 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
They don't?
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 9, 2010 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
Oh cr@p!
My bad.
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by 27freethrows on Feb 10, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
My reasoning too
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by 27freethrows on Feb 9, 2010 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
I love your sig by the way
“the weather outside is weather…”
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by 27freethrows on Feb 9, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
There's only one cure for pain like that
What?
Weed. You got any?
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 10, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
I like her read hair...
I wonder if the carpet matches her pubes.
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by 27freethrows on Feb 10, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
red
Dammit
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by 27freethrows on Feb 10, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
Best line of the movie
I say that to my wife all the time…bugs the crap out of her.
When life gives you lemons, just say "f--- the lemons" and bail
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 10, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
the correct phraseology
I wonder if the carpet matches the drapes
by betweentheeyes on Feb 10, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
That is the correct phrase
But not the phrase used in the movie. Mine is straight word or word.
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by 27freethrows on Feb 10, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
If the King's take Brand, they better take Beno or Cisco instead of Kenny and also an unprotected 1st rounder
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
the Sixers, that is, should take Beno or Cisco and give us a 1st rounder
even still, this is a rough trade financially and talent-wise. I love Iggy though.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
Beno, Noce, & KM? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
but that really does’t save them money which is what they are trying to do. Sure as hell doesn’t make them better.
I love beating dead horses.
Too big a financial commitment
High salaries that run past the CBA (summer 2011). Not going to happen.
Further, it runs into the contract renewal phase of Donté, Hawes and JT.
It is an upgrade in talent however.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 10, 2010 12:33 AM PST reply actions
As far as I'm concerned, there is no reason to trade kevin martin in the first place.
but if you are going to, the other team has to be willing to take on two of the three bad contracts on the team: Beno, Cisco, Noce.
The Kings should start any conversation about Kevin Martin with two of those three albatrosses.
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No reason?
The Kings have a crappy post presence and a bunch of players (namely Garcia, Omri, Beno) that can replace Martin. That’s where the debate comes in. Some believe that Martin absolutely cannot be replaced, while others think he can.
I say trade K-Mart while his value is still high, before he becomes a 12 to 15ppg scorer and an anchor on the team’s future, because that’s where it looks like he’s headed (considering if the team’s provided with another solid scoring option from the draft).
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by KIngsFanInAR on Feb 10, 2010 5:11 AM PST up reply actions
False analogy
You really think Martin can still average 20+ ppg, considering the upcoming talent surrounding him, in the foreseeable future?
If you’re going to use that analogy, you should factor in that you suddenly have a wife and kids over that Christmas break.
Sure he can
If Kevin is healthy, he’s a 20 point scorer in this league.
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if anything he will have an easier time scoring with more talent around him.
wide open shots equal money. He wont score more points just easier points.
by sac_faithful on Feb 10, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
I read that entire comment
with my mind in the gutter
by TheFifthMookie on Feb 11, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
How do wife and kids fit in? You ask me, it was a bad analogy to begin with. I think he was referring to the slump Martin has been on. And I’m saying he forgot to mention wife and kids cause all that time he has to work out will suddenly be gone (i.e. Kevin Martin’s shots).
…And you mention 14 shots, he has 20? Where’d you pull that stat from? The Knicks game? He was 7 of 13, with 17 points. You really think he can maintain a 53.8 FG%?
Oh dear
Since Kevin has averaged 1.493 points per field goal attempt in his career, technically he’d only need between 13 and 14 shots per game to get to 20. Even more amazingly, Kevin’s career FG% is only 44.9.
One game does not a player make.
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I think a lot of people would agree with you to sell high
but I’m not sure the Kings are getting “sell high” offers. It seems to me like other team are expecting a salary dump, take back their bad contracts, or for some strange reason they feel we would love to make them better. After the mamphis/lakers travishmochery teams seem weary on helping other teams build championship contenders while getting absolutely nothing back. (I know Marc Gasol is no slouch but no one knew that especially the morons in memphis. He was a 2nd round pick who might not even ever came to the US I don’t care if Marc Gasol becomes the next great big man it IMO is still one of the worst trades in NBA history)
I love beating dead horses.
hey somebody else decided to go with my logic. neato!
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 10, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Taking on elton brand is a deal breaker
but I would love to acquire Iggy. I also do not believe your source unless you can be more specific as to how he is privy to this info.
BTW 27
Did you have your bike ride yet?
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This Saturday
Yikes!
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by 27freethrows on Feb 10, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Good luck
Let us know how it goes.
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Don't know why there's so many Brand haters
I think Brand is a solid player, who can put up consistent double double figures and add a good defensive presence. However, his contract is huge and he’s 30…though, there is an ETO on the last year of his contract (which means the Kings could play out only 2 and 1/2 years of Brand, if he doesn’t work out). Iggy is an upgrade over Martin, considering Martin is one dimensional, while Iggy is much more rounded (though, he has +$3 mil on his contract).
So, I’m for this trade. If it doesn’t work out, it could possibly jeopardize the Kings’ future from salary. If it does, it could be a turning point in the franchise.
The Kings need to pull the trigger some time, instead of continuing trends every year and stockpiling from the draft.
ETO's are basicly player options with bird rights
so no, brand decides to take the opt-in option, not the Kings.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
Iggy is Evans minus some talent and with more experience
A SG that is more of a pure shooter like Martin that doesn’t always need the ball is way better than another ball dominant driving and slashing type.
Martin is one dimensional
He need the ball to be effective and shoot his shots. If his shot goes, his value goes. Iggy could provide in other areas than just shooting.
No, they do not need to 'pull the trigger'
That is the dumbest argument for any trade so far. The Kings are in the process of rebuilding; they are right on schedule, right where they expected to be. They have made improvements, and will continue to even if no trade is made.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Feb 10, 2010 8:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that's the dumbest argument ever
They’re right where they needed to be. They EXPECTED to be at the bottom of the league again. Hell, Kevin Martin’s going to be a BEAST in his 30’s, when we’re still rebuilding in the draft, in 3 years. He’s the second coming of Jesus!
/end sarcasm
You want to flame me over that? I guess you’re quite content being the Atlanta Hawks of the 90’s/early 2000’s or the Raiders of the NBA.
how dare you ever claim that the Hawks of the early 90s were remotely close to as awful as the Raiders are
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 10, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Have you compared
post-injury Brand to pre-injury Brand? You might want to review the numbers, it could revise your opinion.
i could me wrong
But pretty sure early termination means Brand not the team can terminate
I am shocked that someone so worried about Kevin Martin’s decline is totally cool with getting a guy who has already definitely declined.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 10, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
And there's no way in hell Brand is exercising that ETO.
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Like ice 9 says
this trade would only be acceptable if it is KM, Noce, & Beno for Brand, Iggy, & an unprotected 1st round pick. Or maybe KM, K9, Noce for Iggy & Dally.
I love beating dead horses.
I don't see the sixers doing that, no way.
Stefanski has to be so risk-averse to big contracts right now…
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Also, my sarcasm meter is set so low right now
because I read that whole thing assuming you were joking/making fun.
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I did too
had to go back and reread it. It’s like startinga story with. “These three guys walk into a bar.” Even if it’s a serious story, it sounds like a joke.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Feb 10, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Those guys can't win together there in Philly
Why would they here?
No
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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I don't like the thought either LTTG but...
The 6ers don’t have Evans, Casspi, Thompson, Hawes and Greene to put around these guys.
Here is why a deal that includes Iggy works for me and I hate say this: The development of Donté Greene as a power forward. Before the last 4 games, I would have been leery about dealing away Martin and his perimeter shooting (even though I played devils advocate int he Ziller article last week) but if the Kings start a line-up of Evans, Iggy, Omri, Donté and JT the potential for success if high. This line-up gives you the shooters in Greene and Casspi to open the floor. The rebounding- led by Thompson but talk about a group of team rebounders. The defense! And a bench led by Hawes, Udrih, Brockman, Garcia, Sergio, Udoka and either Dalembert or Brand. I don’t like taking on an albatross like Brand, Dalembert would be a better fit but I honestly believe that a trade that included Brand would also include the 76ers 1st round pick. Think of a future that included a starting 5 all 25 or under, 2 additional top ten picks and a bench that included some over priced bloated guys who weren’t worth their contract but still very valuable. I would be all over this deal if Brand would opt out of year 3 to facilitate the move.
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All that is well thought out
but there are some nice young pieces on that Philly roster around those two (Young, Speights, Holliday)
They can’t score (at all) from the perimeter which I think they should address, hell, they need a shooter of some consistancy period and it would solve a lot of their problems.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 10, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Young is a nice player but Speights and Holliday are a long way away from contributing.
The players the Kings have are actually putting up numbers today and still have tremendous upside, where the 76ers are still just looking at potential.
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I agree with you on the fact that
Holiday & Speights aren’t ready to contribute, maybe Speights & Young has been in the league a few years I don’t see him as ever being that good.
I love beating dead horses.
Maybe it makes us a little better sure
but it makes us a mediocre team for YEARS! 8th seed 1st round out mediocre if that. Is that what you want? I have been all for upgrading but this cripples our chances at building a contender.
I love beating dead horses.
How do you make that leap?
No one knows how a trade like this would work out as far as wins and losses but I think you might be underselling the value of Tyreke Evans as a player. The team that would be assembled around him might not be all world but if he becomes the superstar player that most people are now predicting, the team around him begins to look a whole hell of a lot better. Then add to this the draft picks in the hands of Geoff Petrie and I personally have a hard time buying the fringe playoff team theory. The key to this deal is that the Kings add pieces while keeping the young core intact. Elton Brand as a quality bench player, even as an inflated price works while JT, Donté, Evans, Casspi and 2010 picks are still working under rookie contracts. If the salary cap decreases greatly, the Kings will have to figure something out but so will every other NBA franchise.
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You can't have 2 ball dominant guys on the same team and make it work.
Show me a team that won with 2 ball dominant guys sharing time. Someone has to defer and thus the submissive player has to be able to perform still while playing a style other than their preference. Iggy would have to become a spot up shooter to mesh with Reke. Also, if iggy is better than Kmart than why are the sixers getting rid of him? I don’t like the salary dump excuse. If you were a GM would you make your team worse just to get under the cap?
I'll admit,
I am not completely well versed in Iguodala’s offensive game, and I am not endorsing this trade, but Iguodala has averaged about 14 shots a game over the past two years, and he is not the primary ball handler in the Sixers’ offense. Statistically, Iguodala does not appear to be a ball dominant player. Again, I don’t watch a ton of Sixers games, so I could be wrong.
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by jjham15 on Feb 10, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
here is a link to a pro slanted break down of iggy's game, notice the lack of shooting ability highlighted even from a pro iggy standpoint
we need a shooter next to Reke not someone who has similar abilities.
http://www.zimbio.com/Andre+Iguodala/articles/23/Andre+Iguodala+Shooting+Guard
by sac_faithful on Feb 10, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
This is a valid point
So the issue is that he is not a proficient shooter, not that he is ball dominant. Fair enough.
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my reply failed. The below retraction is what i was referring to
by sac_faithful on Feb 10, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
You're not the only one confused.
Sac_faithful, you can tell where your reply went by hitting the up button. If you look, you actually replied to yourself, but with all the comments between the original comment and reply, it looks deceiving.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Well yes I understand.
I was pointing it out for others who might have been confused as well.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
use a 'reply fail - see below'
it clears it all up
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 10, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
pro iggy camp would argue the D is the important part
plus the DUNKS!
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 10, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
And I retract the ball dominant comment.
I assumed the slasher/dunker profile of him required ball dominance.
by sac_faithful on Feb 10, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Igudola's offensive game = DUNKS! DUNKS! DUNKS GALORE!
sorry, if you can’t tell I like dunks
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 10, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
Don’t want to see K-mart traded right now. But neither Speed or Iggy are guys that demand the ball.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Feb 10, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
You are right
Iggy is not a ball dominant player. He is very unselfish, and rarely forces his own shot.
Correction, he doesn't
Have a shot.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 10, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
42%
From my Shooting guard, who also doesn’t have an outside shot (therefore must be getting most of those at the rim) doesn’t cut it.
Why do we think Philly wants to move him again?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 10, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Because he's their best trade asset.
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Kevin Martin
actually has a higher usage rate than Iguodala.
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Show me a team that won with 2 ball dominant guys sharing time
Shaq + Kobe = You Fail
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 10, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Shaq wasn't ball dominant
He just grabbed the ball and dunked it.
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damn you aykis!
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 10, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Is anyone, on paper, a better fit with Reke than Kevin?
again, on paper? Any other SG, or even PG if you want to go there, in the league looks to be a better fit in the backcourt with Tyreke Evans than Kevin Martin?
I’m really curious to find out. Not arguing one way or the other so far, just want to look at other options.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I posed this question before
& I’m not really sure of the answer because I don’t watch him play enough but what about Devin Harris.
I love beating dead horses.
Harris is a shoot first PG who gets to the basket.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And he's not particularly good at shooting.
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My list of possibles and throwing out guys that are just great but don't fit for style (Chris Paul)
Joe Johnson
Chauncey Billups (depending on age considerations)
Eric Gordon
Ray Allen (again, age)
Jason Terry
Manu Ginobelli
Stephen Curry
And that's what kills me
That’s a great list. Take out Chauncey, Allen, and even Terry and Ginobli because of age and mileage so you have Joe Johnson and two very good young guys in Curry and Gordon.
Kevin Martin, on paper, is the 4th-5th best option (give and take) in the whole league to play alongside Tyreke Evans. So the Kings already have the 4th,5th best backcourt mate for Reke, why not give it time to see if it works?
That’s also one of my big reasons why I don’t agree with the Iggy trade. If it goes down, I’d accept it, but still don’t agree that’s the best thing the Kings should do with Kevin.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
And the best part about Kevin
is that he can be an even better option because of the mismatch. Curry and Gordon could both end up being good players, better than Martin (I think Curry and Evans backcourt would be ridiculous personally), but Martin is taller than both those guys and allows Evans to play the Colossal point and give us that extra advantage.
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Curry is a slightly built PG
who is not a very impressive defender. Again, one of Tyreke’s advantages is his overwhelming size – why make him a 2?
by betweentheeyes on Feb 10, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Because media and fans don't have the vision or knowledge basketball executives do...
…yet their opinion matter just as much if not in triple time.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Did you see how well Curry defended Reke at the end of the GS game?
He’s stronger than he looks and he’s a good pickpocket already. He’s underrated as a defender I think.
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I thought he'd be good in the NBA
did you see he had a triple double against the Clips tonight? Put a slasher like Iggy next to him . . . .
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 10, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Or Reke...
But I dream.
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What they need to do
Is Trade Iggy for Monta Ellis
That seems like it would help both those teams a lot.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Philly has Lou Williams though.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I wouldn't do that
If I were Philly.
Ellis is the most overrated player in the NBA.
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I won't go into an argument for other teams
But I still think it addresses both teams weaknesses in a big way and its a push on salaries.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 10, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
No thanks, no way, not in a million years...
Regardless of what your opinion is of either Iggy or Brand, this deal would constitute an enormous risk for the Kings – one that they don’t need to take. Iguodala or Martin can be fairly debated, and to be honest, in many ways I would rather have Iggy. Brand though is a very different story. A stud the first 8 years of his career, his career is clearly in a state of decline. 4 years left at $15+ million a year? Insanity is thy name…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
Has anyone actually watched Brank play this year?
And by that I mean, more than just SAC-PHL games.
Are you out of your mind?
Elton Brand? I ask again: Are you out of your mind?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
c'mon pookey
Brand is great on their video game. Especially since they haven’t bought a new version in four years.
Of course Gras.
What was I thinnking?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It wasn't a rhetorical question
Has anyone been watching Brand this year?
Go ask Sixer fans would they rather have Elton Brand or Kevin Martin.
Go for it.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Brand vs. JT
Brand = +14.4 pts., 6.6 rebs., 1.3 blk., 31 min., $51 million over the next 3 years (not including this year). Turns 31 in March.
JT = 13 pts., 8.7 rebs., 1.0 blks., 30 min., $5 million over the next 2 years, followed by a $4 million QO year. Turns 24 in July.
Brand is no longer the shot blocker or rebounder that he once was. He is expensive and aging rapidly, in my opinion.
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Why do you respond so nicely?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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Thank you for the numbers, but what I am particularly curious about are trends in how Brand is playing this season, e.g. his interior D, or how he looks finishing around the rim, or whether he has regained any hops. Nothing in my post advocates for this trade, though some apparently enjoy adding words to other people’s posts so they can jump on them (hello, Mr. Strawman).
Ah yes the Strawman argument.
I love it. I LOVE IT!
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I have not watched Philly a lot this year,
but Brand’s blocks and boards are both down, which to me indicates that he no longer has the hops that he once had. He’s also picking up more fouls per minute than he has in the past, pehaps another indication that he has lost a step and has resorted to defending with his hands (Jason Thompson, hello!). Admittedly, I have not seen him play a lot this year. But all statistical indications (and the calendar) say that he is on the downside of his career.
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Elton Brand is proof that desperation rarely pays off.
Ed Stefanski (and the Comcast Corp) stabbed Billy King in his back because he didn’t put the team on a NBA Championship route. Then Stefanski justified his action by signing Elton Brand to a big deal. Then Elton Brand came up, like, Elton Brand.
I would say Elton Brand is one of the most overrated players in the NBA, but he would have to be rated these days to qualify.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
wait are you telling me singing a big with knee problems in the early 30s and into the mid 30s is a bad idea?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 10, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Nope.
I would never dispense such advice.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If you can't draw any conclusions
or even possibilities from relatively straightforward statistical evidence, why would you believe anecdotal evidence of the few minutes some person you don’t know has seen of Brand playing?
For trends and the kind of analysis you’re looking for, you’re probably going to need to talk to a fan of the Sixers, no? When pookey said to ask on the Sixers blog, he was not being an asshole, he was helping you.
No no Gras.
I was just being an asshole. Have you ever talked with those folks at Liberty Ballers?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I misspoke
I should have said pookey “was not just being being an asshole” rather than “he was not being an asshole”.
:-)
:) I'd knew you'd understand.
And the folks at LB aren’t that bad. They are, understandably, quite a bit upset about the Sixers.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And more amazing products of our public education system emerge to demonstrate their lack of reading comprehension.
Student Loans are a killer.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It's the compound interest on the library late fees
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu
I wouldn't talk.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
i am just going to have to pretty much copy and paste this from above
I am shocked that someone so worried about Kevin Martin’s defense and overall decline is totally cool with getting a guy who has already definitely declined.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 10, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
This is even more true given that there isn't clear evidence Martin HAS declined.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Again
My question was based on a sincere desire to know how well Brand has been playing this season. Numbers do not tell you everything.
Go ask Sixer fans that question.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It does if the numbers are 3 years at 51 million
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Devil's advocate
What if Brand slowly recovers his pre-surgery form?
What if Kevin Martin grows carbon reinforced bones?
What if the economy collapses and shopping carts become the most reliable form of transportation? What if our dicks fall off and stupid idiots can no longer reproduce? What if?!?!?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Feb 10, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
How slowly?
1 year? He’ll be 32. 2 years? He’ll be 33. The odds say that Brand’s return to his old form is a poor bet. Too many injuries and too little time left for the soon to be 31 year old.
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when you think of brand think of post injury webber
yes, it’s that bad
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 10, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
It's worse in my opinion.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Webber could still score and rebound.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
How bout we take out Kmart
And give em Armstrong? eh eh?!
I should be rec’d!!!!! ;-)
And for the person who said Kmart is one dimensional….Kmart is Str8 up 3D..
Hes Mentally Weak..
Hes Physically Weak…
Hes Soft…
You can thank Peaches for this…
Everyone sign the Kmart Petition
Reply to this and say “DONT TRADE KMART!” below and maybe, just maybe, Geoff might spot this and give the people what they want.
odd
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 10, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Kmart
I don’t want SpeedRacer traded right now. (I don’t see it in the best long term interests of the team. I will change my mind, however, if his & Tyreke’s game do not mesh by the end of the season on a consistent basis.) I don’t think Geoff Petrie does what the fans want.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I would deal Martin
if legitimate (and sustainable) help up front came in return. I’d also deal him for New Jersey’s or Minnesota’s unprotected 1st round pick. Other than that, I’m for keeping him.
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I'd consider dealing Kevin for Brook Lopez too.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Right now, right this second
What are we waiting for???
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Rod Thorn to lose his mind.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If so we'd have Ricky Rubio starting at the point
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-Chris Rock
Keep Sergio Rodriguez!
Kings get : Tyrus Thomas , Troy Murphy , Kirk Hinrich
Chicago gets: A. Nocioni , Beno Udrih ,H. Armstrong
Indiana gets: Kenny Thomas ,Sean Mays
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