Kings 2012 NBA Champions (revised)
by ivAAron on Mar 10, 2010 1:09 PM PST
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If the crystal ball I stole from Kornheiser last time they had me on PTI is correct, and history really does repeats itself. The Kings will win the title in 2 years!
revised (Some fans have questioned my comparison from the 05-06 Heat team and our team. First off, this is only humorous that I say we will win in 2 years, but the numbers are very similar, and because of this its fun to DREAM BIG! Enjoy.)
Pretty damn sweet indeed! Sorry for spoiling it for you all. Anyway, I got to thinking about the Kings, Tyreke, and what moves should be made (and I'm sorry if someone has posted something similar to this here, or around the web, but its an original thought to me, ha!). First off, I think Tyreke is the second coming of Dwyane Wade (in this story you don't have to die to have a second coming). Everything about these two are similar, and if Wade could win a title for the freakin Miami Heat in his 3rd year, why can't Reke take us deep in the playoffs in 3 years? Wade was 2 years older than Reke when he was drafted, so we may have to wait 4 or 5 years, but still I think it can happen, we just have to build the right team around him.
Look at these two side by side, their FG % FT % Blocks steals 3pt % TO's are all pretty damn close through 60 games in their rookie year. Reke has the advantage in Min, Reb, and Assists (not by much), but takes a few more shots and averages 4 points more.... They both have the same type of game, both would rather drive than shot the outside shot (neither is that great behind the arc). But Reke is bigger, stronger, and just as quick, but lacks the same leaping ability that Wade has. So don't expect to see him "posterize" anyone in any games (or commercials) like Wade.
Dwyane Wade... 6-4" 220lbs taken with the 5th pick in 2003
Tyreke Evans..... 6-6" 220lbs taken with the 4th pick in 2009
| FG | 3PT | FT | Rebounds | Misc | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Year | Team | G | Min | M | A | Pct | M | A | Pct | M | A | Pct | Off | Def | Tot | Ast | TO | Stl | Blk | PF | PPG | ||||||||||
| 2003-04 | MIA | 61 | 34:53 | 6.1 | 13.1 | 46.5 | 0.3 | 0.9 | 30.2 | 3.8 | 5.1 | 74.7 | 1.4 | 2.7 | 4.1 | 4.5 | 3.2 | 1.4 | 0.6 | 2.3 | 16.3 | ||||||||||
| 2009-10 | SAC | 59 | 37:12 | 7.5 | 16.2 | 46.2 | 0.5 | 1.9 | 25.9 | 4.9 | 6.5 | 74.4 | 0.9 | 4.0 | 4.9 | 5.4 | 2.9 | 1.5 | 0.4 | 2.8 | 20.3 |
So if Reke is gonna be just as good as Wade (if not better) in a few years, why can't we make a playoff run in a few years. Yes, I understand that the Heat were already a playoff team when he got there, and that the East wasn't all that deep like the West is now. But if this Heat roster http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2006.html, that doesn't look all that great can do it, we gotta chance (hell Wade was the only player to really play more than 30min a game, bunch of scrubs!). We already have their J-Will, Beno and him put up pretty similar numbers, and I'd give the edge to Beno. Bankrupcy Walker's numbers that year won't be Casspi/Green's ceiling (Casspi is already producing those numbers). JT/Landry will be better (already are better) than Udonis. The only player I can't find on our roster is a 20pt 10reb Shaq!! So here is my plea to bet the farm, push all in, and do whatever it takes to sign Bosh!! Tony's crystal ball has told me that he is our ticket to a better team than the 2005-2006 Heat had.
(Revised)
I'll give you that I misquoted (and did it deliberately because I didn't think it was that significant). There were 3 players on the Heat who played more than 30min a game (barely, Shaq 30.6, Udonis 30.8, JWill 31.something)… But hear me out, we are already further along (number wise in each respective career than they were), although we have a long way to go playing in playing team basketball (offensively and defensively) and racking up W's.
The case for the starting 5...
We all know that I believe Tyreke = Wade... so lets move on...
The case of White Chocolate vs our new White Chocolate
| Min | M | A | Pct | M | A | Pct | M | A | Pct | Off | Def | Tot | Ast | TO | Stl | Blk | PF | PG |
Beno
| 29:30 | 5.0 | 10.0 | 50.1 | 1.1 | 2.6 | 40.6 | 1.4 | 1.6 | 84.0 | 0.5 | 2.0 | 2.5 | 3.9 | 1.7 | 0.9 | 0.2 | 2.1 | 12.4 |
JWill
| 31:48 | 4.5 | 10.3 | 44.2 | 1.8 | 4.9 | 37.2 | 1.4 | 1.7 | 86.7 | 0.1 | 2.3 | 2.4 | 4.9 | 1.7 | 0.9 | 0.1 | 1.7 | 12.3 |
The case for Casspi vs Bankruptcy Walker
Casspi
| 27:00 | 4.3 | 9.3 | 46.0 | 1.1 | 2.9 | 37.3 | 1.7 | 2.6 | 67.5 | 1.1 | 3.8 | 4.9 | 1.3 | 1.4 | 0.8 | 0.3 | 1.7 | 11.3 |
Walker
| 26:48 | 4.8 | 11.0 | 43.5 | 1.7 | 4.7 | 35.8 | 1.0 | 1.6 | 62.8 | 1.3 | 3.9 | 5.1 | 2.0 | 1.8 | 0.6 | 0.4 | 2.3 | 12.2 |
JT vs Udonis
JT
| 31:30 | 4.9 | 10.7 | 45.9 | 0.0 | 0.1 | 0.0 | 2.6 | 3.7 | 71.5 | 3.1 | 5.5 | 8.6 | 1.7 | 2.0 | 0.5 | 1.0 | 3.9 | 12.5 |
Udonis
| 30:48 | 3.7 | 7.3 | 50.8 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 1.9 | 2.5 | 78.9 | 2.1 | 5.8 | 7.8 | 1.2 | 1.0 | 0.6 | 0.2 | 2.7 | 9.4 |
That leaves us needing Bosh to fill the Shaq role and the Shaq numbers. And look how "deep" we still are. We have Francisco, Green, Landry, Hawes, Next years #1rounder on the bench, amung others!! For the whole team Wade, Shaq, Udonis, and Zo were the only ones (played sig minutes) who cracked 45% shooting. The rest of the Heat team, ehh, look at the #‘s, they were mediocre. They spread the minutes around, but no one really put up any great numbers per minutes played.
The point of this article was that Tyreke could be the next Wade, and if Wade could take a average team with Shaq to a title, then damnit if we add a guy like Bosh then we have a chance too! That Heat team was not that great, and our team by the numbers is not that far off. So Dream Big Kings fans!
And yes, yes I understand they came out of the East and we have to contend with the West. Thats not the point of the article.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I already made my t-shirt with that title on it
Oh and Tony doesn’t have a magic crystal ball, its a snow globe, he just takes shrooms before looking into it, kind of like this prediction.
No offense but Miami kind of got lucky that year.
They played Dallas in the finals, I don’t think in 2 years the Lakers will be that bad again, the Pistons and Spurs will probably have bad years like they did that year. As long as Steve Nash is drinking is Kool-Aid PHX will still be competing, and you’ll have two more years of experience for PDX and Zombie-Sonics. Kings could make the playoffs, but now way they get to the finals through that thick of competition, especially considering at that time it will probably be the first playoff experience for all of our team outside of Landry (if he is still here, hope so cause he will be awesome in the playoffs)
oh and can't forget Denver will still be relatively the same
and Dirk will still be dominating, and Dallas has actually had better teams since the team that played the Heat.
Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the same year Miami won the title, the Clippers went to the playoffs? that explains a lot about the level of competition.
no more tired arguments for Bosh
Just having a little fun while drawing my comparison between Reke and Wade. And I thought this reason for signing Bosh sounded better than “sign Bosh cause he’s good.”
the comparison was very interesting I'll give you that.
the numbers were very identical right down till you got to points, which if Rookie Wade was on this current Kings team, he’d probably be averaging 20 a game too. Also interesting to look at considering DWade was a couple years older than Reke, and Reke may be stronger as a rookie that Wade, not as quick as him though.
Reke and Wade have different games, because Reke doesn't have that kind of athleticism.
But the number similarities are staggering.
Reke is the stronger, slower version of Wade
Wade is the Flash, Reke is the Juggernaut. Bitch.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
by Aykis16 on Mar 10, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
reke is Too Easy
or Havoc. Evan Turner is nicknamed “the Villian”. I like Havoc and the Villian for the backcourt. And Top Hat in the Frontcourt.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 10, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Sir Carl, Duke of Landry
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Rudy Fernandez
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Mar 11, 2010 7:03 AM PST up reply actions
Kayte is definitely a Wonder Woman
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Yay!
We’ll be able to celebrate our title before the world blows up!
"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty
by otis29 on Mar 10, 2010 1:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Knowing our luck
he meant 2012/2013 season champs. We’ll be undefeated and the best team in the league on Dec 20th 2012
by Gilo424 on Mar 10, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Great, just what we need
More proof that God is a [redacted] fan. Damn.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
One minor flaw
Your argument has only one minor flaw, and that’s your premise that Wade did it on his own.
(hell Wade was the only player to really play more than 30min a game, bunch of scrubs!)
Ummm, false.
Shaq, Jason Williams, and Haslem also played more than 30 mpg. That team was also 9 guys deep. Deep like the 2002 Kings. You had a motivated Shaq being backed up by Alonzo Mourning, who was also motivated. You had Jason Williams playing some of the best basketball of his career, being backed up by Gary Payton, a hall of famer who knew his role and utilized every veteran trick in the book. Take easy cracks at ‘Toine if you’d like, but he contributed to that team. You also had veteran glue guys like James Posey on the bench, and Jason Kapono for an extra crunch-time shooter.
Swing and a miss, champ.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
ez champ
the post started as the eerie similarity i saw between reke and wade, which is undeniable (from their size/weight/draft spot/and basically all the numbers). It ended with the team comparisons and ultimately a case for Bosh… i should have said that no one else on the team took on the load that he did (as Shaq barely made the cut at 30.6, Udonis at 30.8, and J Will with the monsterous 31.8)… They were deep, but the team ultimately only had a little under 2 superstars on the team. And i would venture to guess that most would pick them as the most unlikely championship team in the last 15+ years (with the Pistons a close second). I didn’t know there would be someone here in the Kings community who would have the Heat’s back for my “scrubs” comment ;)
side note… did you really call Kapono a “crunch time shooter”?? ya hes a good shooter, and hits 3’s pretty well… but i was unaware he was known for any big crunch time shots
Several things
There are some similarities between Wade’s number and Evans’, and as such I did not attack that premise.
The bulk of your post centered around the idea that Wade single-handedly secured a championship with a bunch of scrubs as teammates. I’m not a Heat fan by any means, but that premise is completely incorrect. And if you’re going to say that Wade was the only guy putting up 30 minutes per game, you have to make sure there weren’t three others. That’s a basic rule of using stats to back up your arguments.
As for Kapono, I wasn’t referring to him being a better player in the clutch. I was simply referring to the general idea that, in crunch time, you make sure you’ve got 5 shooters on the floor, and he added that dimension. He’s a regular rotation player in the NBA right now, and he wasn’t good enough to crack the regular rotation for Miami. So, yeah, that team was deep.
As has also been noted in the comments, many people consider that a very lucky Championship for Miami, and a bit of a fluke compared to most years.
I think the biggest issue with this post is you tried to make turn three different concepts into one argument. If you wanted to compare Wade and Evans, that would be great. There’s just no reason to derail your argument with poorly researched comparisons to the 03-04 Heat and a random tie-in to Chris Bosh.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
please note, exhibit a...
the TITLE of the article.. it said Kings 2012 NBA Champions… Now I think most people would go on to see this as an obvious joke (if they didnt see it then they saw it with Tony K’s crystal ball). Ive been seeing the staggering similarities between Reke and Wade for the lat few months (said to myself “wow, if reke didn’t both 2 inches in height, and in his teeth, on Wade, their rookie years from draft day till now are almost identical!”).
Which got me thinking, hey the Heat built around Wade (Shaq & co.) and won a title in his 3rd year, so why not here (joke joke, its fun for kings fans to dream big). You’re ripping this article up like it was my college thesis guy. And I would say that YES D Wade did most of the work, and was the obvious star, AND FINALS MVP. The article was about him and Reke being similar, and not about how arcurate I portrayed the most unlikely role playing champions. You found one slip, that i was aware of when I wrote it, and I wrote in anyway and said “Wade was the only one to ‘really’ play more than 30 a game” because those 3 BARELY cracked the 30min mark (i thought who the hell is gonna bitch me out over .6 or .8 of a minute), but enter in Prof Playoff Roster taking a red pen to an obvious funny article, that’s meant to read “The NBA, where daydreaming about your team happens”.
And I still am not gonna call THAT team that deep. Ya it was deep in the sense that they spread minutes around, but what the team did with those minutes was just enough to get by. You have a whopping 4! people scoring in double figures (kings have 6.. does that make the kings deeper?). Ya lotta guys played 25+/-minutes and posted 7 and 4, weeee send the title right to Miami then! If you look at their starters, we have guys like that minus the Shaq (insert case for a 20/10 guy in Bosh). We have guys who can compete with Posey/Old Zo, Old Payton. But I’ll admit we dont have the covetted Kruchtime Kapono, who plays 13min a game and shoots 44%.
IF THE MOST UNLIKELY BUNCH (TEAM) WITH 1 DWYANE WADE AND 1 SOLID BIG MAN SHAQ, WHY NOT HERE.
That is the point of all of this. The heat on paper really werent that great, but add Wade/Shaq and the won a title. The kings on paper look to have more upside and talent than that team, Reke is the new Wade and give us a solid big man (Bosh). And let us dream! Why are you missing the point?
I'll give you the "misquote"
That there were 3 players who played more than 30min a game (barely)… but the rest speaks for itself. Maybe you should do your HW guy.
Omri vs Walker (pretty damn close)
Min FG% 3pt % FT% Reb Ass TO Stl Blk Fls Pts
Omri 27:00 46.0 37.3 67.5 4.9 1.3 1.4 0.8 0.3 1.7 11.3
Walker 26.8 43.5 35.8 62.8 5.1 2.0 1.8 0.46 0.4 2.3 12.2
Beno vs J Will (close again!)
Beno 29:30 50.1 40.6 84.0 2.5 3.9 1.7 0.9 0.2 2.1 12.4
J Will 31.8 44.2 37.2 86.7 2.4 4.9 1.7 0.9 0.1 1.7 12.3
JT vs Udonis (not as close, but not far off)
JT 31:3 45.9 0.0 71.5 8.6 1.7 2.0 0.5 1.0 3.9 12.5
Udonis30.8 50. 8 0.0 78.9 7.8 1.2 1.0 0.6 0.2 2.7 9.3
Wade =Tyreke
I guess that leaves us needing Bosh to fill the Shaq role and the Shaq numbers. And look how “deep” we still are. We have Francisco, Green, Landry, Next years #1rounder, on the bench!! I hope they can put up the same sub 43% shooting that the Heats reserves put up. Hell for the whole team Wade, Shaq, Udonis, and Zo were the only ones (played sig minutes) who cracked 45%! The rest of this team, ehh, look at the #‘s, they were mediocre.
The Heat team was not that great, and our team by the numbers is not that far off. So Dream Big Kings fans!
So in conclusion, my article, funny or serious, was fine and theres your #’s! Game, blouses.
Game, blouses.
Really? JT is not likely to be on the team next IMO. He just hasn’t proven a player to help you win games. JT can barely be counted on in a regular season game. Now he is helping us to a championship? Beno and J-Will are completely different players. No comparison.
As far as Bosh coming to Sac…don’t count on it ….
There is a statistical term for what you are doing. It is called data mining. It means you drew a conclusion first, then look for numbers to support it, instead of other way around. I could easily pick out just as many dissimilar stats to refute your argument.
The Kings have the least amount of NBA experience of any team , and fourth youngest. The Heat were a veteran squad. You always have to taste the playoffs several years before going all the way. Kings have not been in the playoffs in 5+ years. Shaq was a decent interior defensive presence at that point of his career. Alonzo Mourning was a tremendous defensive stopper in the paint. Have you watched the Kings big men try to defend the key this year? Not pretty.
I like the positive thinking, and there is definitely a resemblance between Tyreke and Wade, but that’s about where the similarities end. You are reaching more than drowning man for a lifeboat. Game, set and match, cargo pants.
once again
I didnt say the teams were identical clones. Nor did I really think we were going to win a title in 2 years (thats just silly). I said there was no reason the Kings can’t expect to at least make a run in the playoffs in maybe the 4-5years range (the title talk was all in fun, and I think i said that). I appreciate that you see a similarity in Wade and Reke as well, as I think its a no brainer (from draft spot, to size and weight, to identical numbers, and style of play). Bosh is number 1 on my to do list for the Kings, and while I know its rather unlikely, if not damn near impossible, the article was about how similar our team NOW would look to their starting 5 THEN. Not data mining, the numbers for each player are identical (for the starters), I never said our entire roster is the same. Nor did I state that we have veterans like Zo and Payton. My point was if we had Bosh our starting 5 would be the same stat wise on paper as their team that won the title. And that our bench still would be relatively deep (most still raw, but have lots of talent). Thus my argument to go for broke to get Bosh. And making it fun to be a fan for a losing team right now.
Everyone needs to listen so I can be clear :) I saw Reke = Wade, I said “now how did Wade win a title in his 3rd year” well the brought in Shaq and some other Vets. I said “well we have a starting lineup resembles that of Miami’s (pretty well number wise), but we don’t have a Shaq” Everyone and their mother has been preaching about how they want Bosh here, myself included. This seemed like a more readable (new, and creative) argument about why he should come. We should do what Miami did to build around Wade with similar players. And yes if I were to elaborate and play GP im sure adding some Vets would help too.
And yes I get that Beno and JWill are different players, and so is Omri and Walker, etc. But the NUMBERS and potitions match up pretty damn well, and it was numbers like those from the role playing starters than helped Wade and Shaq win a title. So I was just having fun when I said we are not far off from the title.
well
if we can win it in 2010….why not? (I figure the chances are equally poor)
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
I don't see this as being out of the realm of possibilites.
I also see some similarities of Reke to D Wade.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I still think
He’s Agent Zero crossed with Ron-Ron
(but not in the head)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 11, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
ugh, sorry.
No, I don’t see that comparrison. I see a little of Arenas, but I see more similiarties with Wade. But in the end they are different players. Wade relies more on his speed, while Reke is stronger and more shifty.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
Gilbert on his penetration
Ron-Ron (younger version) on the strength and defensive side
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 11, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
You Forgot the biggest obstacle
David Stern would never allow this, sorry…
Why does Grant Napear STILL HAVE A JOB???
by prowseinthehouse on Mar 11, 2010 1:18 PM PST reply actions
I really hope you aren't serious.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I guess I forgot the (joking/sarcasm)
This is Black Dynamite for Anaconda Malt Liquor... Once you pop the top, the panties drop
by prowseinthehouse on Mar 11, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Sometimes it's hard to tell. Forgive me for assuming that you might be serious. Enough people are.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
david stern
would never allow what? us win a title? bosh come here? or compare Reke to Wade? ;)
Yes
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Mar 11, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
I like to dream
nice comparisons even if people pull it apart. and I would agree that it was a bunch of scrubs + wade + shaq got a ring. the nba is a star league with a bunch of role players that find a way to fit in.
BOSH IS NO SHAQ!
Even if Shaq had declined he is an unguardable physical force for Dallas.
lol im aware
that bosh is not shaq!!! NO ONE is like a healthy Shaq. But out of ALL of the AVAILABLE big men today, bosh is number #1 on my list.
Yeah he's alright :D
I would like to see how he does next to a more physical Big (Note: NOT Bargnani). Hawes aint the answer either. But what if he was next to a player like maybe… Dalembert?
you think Bosh is going to Philly?
interesting
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
haha
You know what I meant. also because Phili seems to wanna give Dalembert away.
$12.2M next year is hardly "giving"
he would be a one year rental and the highest paid guy on the team. He would be alright if you could use him as a EC. He is staying in Philly.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
he rebounds well and plays great D
He’d do the kings wonders for one. Also he’ll probably be at most an MLE on his next contract…
Rather have Troy Murphy and draft Derrick Favors if I had a choice.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
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