Is Derrick Favors a possibility?
Interesting article on Favors, his love of cartoons, his childhood dream of playing center, and how rebounding is what he does best. Sounds like a quiet, high-character guy. And he doesn't turn 19 until July.
For reference, check DraftExpress.com, they have the Kings currently listed as taking Favors on their mock draft board.
almost 2 years ago
Ice_9ine
308 comments
0 recs |
Email
PrintComments
This is the guy I want to draft.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Aside from Wall, he would be your top pick?
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
Yes.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
+1. Webberesque.
Turner would also be a nice fit if the Kings can address the big via FA.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
id rather address the big via the draft
and then pursue a shooting guard via free agency
i would be fine going into next season with Hawes, Landry, Thompson, Favors/Monroe as our big men
by Surprise Team on Mar 13, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
The FA bigs are really good.
Monroe isn’t good enough to be a top 10 guy right now. If he is on the Kings then either the Kings moved back or obtained another mid-first rounder which I don’t see happening. The Kings are a very young team already and if they drafted a second first rounder, it would be more of a defensive specialist or a shooter.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
yes the FA bigs are good
but i doubt anyone of them would want to come play with a scoring pg like evans
by Surprise Team on Mar 13, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
??? Really? Players want to win and Evans is going to win a lot of games in his career.
Look at how the Kings roster is made up right now. They are 1 big and a back-up point away from having something. If Bosh or Boozer or Amaré or Lee would look to move to NY to play with LaBron or Miami to play with D-Wade, why would they not look at Tyreke in the same light?
Here is the difference between the Kings and NY or Miami if you are a free agent big-
Kings-
Hawes
Thompson
Udrih
Casspi
Garcia
Nocioni
Landry
Evans
top 5 pick
Knicks-
Wilson Chandler
Gallinari
Eddie Curry
no pick
LaBron? and 7 veteran minimum players
Miami-
Wade
Beasley
D. Cook
12-15 pick
7 veteran minimum player
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
I am with you.
I would not count anything out. Tyreke is on track to become an All-Star. I think a lot of guys would consider Sacramento, if they felt the Kings had a good chance to make it to the playoffs and be a contender in a couple of years.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I would argue Cisco is the backup PG.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
You would be wrong but you can argue if you like ; )
If Cisco is the back-up 1 then the Kings are going to struggle. They need someone like Sergio to change the pace. This is a moot point if the Kings draft Turner because Beno becomes that guy. I love me some Cisco but as a back-up 2 or point 3.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
If the Kings needed Sergio they wouldn't have been willing to trade him to NY.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
They only really brought in Sergio to light a fire under Beno. It worked somewhat, and Sergio was tired as being used as the motivational tool.
Watch what Sergio does in NY, and my guess is that’s the best you’ll ever see Sergio do. Besides that, you can draft a backup PG in the 2nd round next year.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
You never liked Sergio.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Sergio never gave me a reason to.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I've never liked using PER with bench players
Too easy to put up good numbers in limited minutes in garbage time.
Sergio is not half the player that Beno is.
It pisses me off when people even insinuates that bullshit. The coach knows it; and anybody who understands basketball knows it.
Half?
I know you’re trying to make a point, but Sergio is certainly “half” the player Beno Udrih is. And the stats don’t lie…for the last three seasons Sergio has show steady improvement in his game (most notably his shooting).
The kid is still only 23 years old, and Beno is 27, so it’s really hard to compare. But give Sergio the opportunities that Beno has gotten, and there’s a chance he could be at least three quarters of the player Beno Udrih is. :)
Am I the only one who noticed that Tom Zook gave his bank account number to an anonymous person over the phone?
I agree Otis
Sergio is doing well in NY. He averages more assists and steals than Beno, while Beno scores 4 ppg more while shooting 4% better from the field. The only big advantage for Beno is in 3pt shooting.
I was sorry to see Sergio go, and I think the Kings will eventually need another ball handling PG as soon as next season.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
I was using Sergio as an example.
I would prefer to draft a big and go after Augustin with some cap space and a future. I just think the Kings need a real PG off the bench to initiate the offense when things get bottled up.
Although I think my dream situation is still to sign Bosh and draft Evans Turner which would have the same effect with Beno now being the primary bench ball handler.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
I think Tyreke and Beno & Cisco need to a better job of initiating
Plus Reke needs to recognize that he’s not the only one who can score. There are a lot of things that the Kings really need. Getting a backup PG is not necessarily going to solve the lack of ball movement when it really matters (ie against the best teams in the NBA).
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I really struggle with what is happening right now with the Kings.
I feel like the Kings are trying to initiate the offense entirely from the top of the key. Until Evans learns that there is more than just one type of pass- the drive and kick- then the Kings are going to continue to have problems. The offense needs to work more through the wings or Evans needs to move to the wing to make an entry pass that has a chance to find the post. It’s all about angles and I don’t think that Evans has learned that yet.
If the Kings can start making better entry passes, they can work from the inside out with Landry. At this point, Landry is only getting as many touches in the post as is allowed by the sub-par passing around him. If the Kings can consistently find Landry, he will grow as a player/passer but as of now, he has no option but to attempt to score on every successful entry pass.
I’m alright with Landry taking 20 shots a game if the Kings could feed him that many pases but I would be even happier if he had 25 opportunities, shot on 18 of them and collapsed the defense and kicked out on the other 7.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Tyreke will earn respect as the RoY
and for the talent that he is. He will learn to play the pick and roll, the entry pass and whatever he needs to. It will won’t happen by tomorrow. Maybe in two seasons, more likely three.
His improved passing will go along nicely with his improved outside shot, his shot selection and his game understanding.
Pairing him with Turner would be amazing.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 13, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
I don't always agree with JJ
But I do this time. Couldn’t agree with you more here.
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 13, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Did I mention that Will Bynum had 20 assists last night?
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Will Bynum is better than people give him credit for.
Twenty assists is not ludicrous for the kid – he’s a good player. Yeah, he got helped a little, but nothing more than what Reke got.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
I was 1/2 serious & 1/2 joking
I’ve heard his name before but I know nothing about him. I don’t even know what team he plays for.
I love beating dead horses.
No, I would go to Brooklyn to play with LeBron, Lopez, and Wall though.
Also, having Jay-Z as your boss looks awesome on a resume.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 3:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Jay-Z thing makes me wonder something...
in Empire State of Mind he says “If Jeezy’s paying Lebron, then I’m paying Dwayne Wade.” Isn’t that tampering? Why hasn’t this been brought up? Hmm…
www.mancancook.net
Nets do not have money for 2 players
Jay owns a portion of the Nets.
I know he owns a portion of the Nets
My question is based on the fact that he talks about paying Dwayne Wade right before Wade’s going to be a free agent. He’s an owner of a team, and generally that’s frowned upon.
However, I asked on Twitter and Free Darko mentions that it refers to how much Jay-Z claims to pay for a kilo of coke. Who knew?
www.mancancook.net
the free agent bigs are really good? what? youre joking right?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Bosh, Boozer, Amare, David Lee
Those guys are decent.
Not coming to Sac, Not coming to Sac, Not coming to Sac, and not worth the contract he'll get.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
David Lee deserves more money than Amar'e
and yet Amar’e is the one whos going to get the way undeserved max contract.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
whether or not he deserves 5 million or 15 million, he still isnt coming to sacramento and david lee will still be vastly overpaid.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
8 - 10 mill won't be overpaying for David Lee
If he gets more I’ll agree with you.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
how many years? you want to sign him to a 1-2 year deal? that is one thing. but albatrossing the franchise for 6 years... not so good.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
me too
Favors is a beast. What a tandem we’d have for the futue with him an Reke. Imaging Reke throwning him oops all day long gets me going :)
by TTown Kings on Mar 14, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I want an Evan Evans backcourt
watching Wildcat/Volunteer matchup right now. Cousins is a load. He would be hard to pass up -- at 3, which means over Favors who looks to go 4th. The Hoya Greg Monroe is looking better and is very skilled. A GP big if ever there was (there is the fear he is the non pale Spencer)
by betweentheeyes on Mar 13, 2010 11:47 AM PST reply actions
Yeah, that is my fear about Greg. I think he has become a better rebounder than Spencer already, though.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
monroe
the difference between monroe and hawes is that monroe is consistent
by Surprise Team on Mar 13, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Hawes is in the NBA
Monroe plays for the team that ranks 7th in the Big East.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 13, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
I think Monroe will be a better rebounder than Hawes, but not sure about D
if we end up at 7 or so and pick him I won’t be crushed, but I think you have to look to move Spencer sooner rather than later, maybe as a sweetner in a Okafor deal?
7th in the Big East
And your point is? G’town would be a top 3 team in any other conference. Georgetown being 7th is an indication of the strength of the conference, not the weakness of their team. The Big East, imo, is the best prep for NBA play that you can get on the college level.
Monroe doesn’t have the physicality to dominate people in the NBA, or the ability to attack with either hand (yet), but he has a solid close/midrange game, a lot of moves, and intangibles which I can see petrie struggling to pass up.
the point is - he is not much of a factor in college
he is not winning games despite his conference competition or his coaching staff. His talent is not trumping those factors in an effective enough way to make him a difference maker.
There is less and less dominance in NCAA men’s BB. The days of Magic Johnson carrying Michigan State to meet an undefeated Indiana State team led by Larry Bird in the finals are long gone. The tributes this year in book form and the HBO special bring this particular duo to the forefront.
How much of a premium is placed on being a winner? Not much anymore. I don’t know when this transgression occurred. Carmelo Anthony was the driving force for the Syracuse national champs and that what could be called leadership is barely showing now, six years later. Micheal Jordan’s “winnership” translated – but what about Ed Pickney, Mateen Cleaves and Steve Alford?
Perhaps the conclusion is that scouting for the pro level is hard. Good thing you were sitting down when you read that, huh? Anyway – I do look for the guys who bring a mediocre team to the headlines. Evan Turner carries his team. John Wall might carry Kentucky but with two other lottery picks on the squad it is harder to say. Favors has Gani Lawal and GTech is a forgetable if not regretable team this season. Do you want talent or talent that makes a difference?
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't disagree with your thesis
I was just attempting to point out that using G’town’s ranking in the Big East to bolster your point was/is misleading due to the Big East’s depth.
The real point of discussion here, in my mind, is how we think Petrie will interpret Greg’s performances. My main fear is that he’ll be blinded by the refinement present in Monroe’s game and overlook the fact that he’s not a dominating physical presence, and we would have another poor-rebounding center on our team.
Evan Turner is a straight-up stud
If the Kings got pick 2 it’d be VERY difficult to pass on Turner.
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 14, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Cousins looks good
but man, he has got to control his emotions. His temper might hurt the Wildcats in the tourny.
Cousins is more ready than any player physically but emotionally probably the least ready for the NBA
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
yeah, do you think his emotional side might lead him to fall in the draft?
I’m assuming we are not going to get a top 3 pick, so I’m hoping a guy like Cousins falls to us. He is talented and a damn good big-man. Maybe he matures as he grows. He is only 19.
I would take Favors over Cuz right now.
Favors fits in with this team better, I think. He and Tyreke are a little similar in that they are quiet.
If Favors is gone, though, you take your chances with Cousins. Westphal doesn’t tolerate whiny centers very well, no matter how good they think they are. Pretty sure Cousins would learn his role. And he would pair with Spencer pretty well, as his huge size lets him get position deep, and Spence wants to play up high. Cousins is also the top rebounding center per 40 minutes pace adjusted. That would help a lot.
Favors would not make such an immediate impact, but I think there is less risk of crazy behavior and more upside than Cousins. Would you rather have a bigger Al Jefferson or a taller, smarter Josh Smith?
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
I would take Favors
but I think Favors might end up being the 3rd pick in the draft. During the draft process, I think scouts will like his tools and potential. I also think teams will take into account how bad his guards were. I would love to take Favors, but if we don’t get a top 3 pick, than I hope Cousins falls to us.
There is going to be a riser that might break-up the big 4.
Whiteside or Aldrich or one of the Euro’s might climb in pre-draft.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Euro's suck this year
They won’t climb.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Gee don't state your opinion so plainly Aykis.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
From the little games I've seen
They don’t seem to make much effort to get him the ball in the post. Of course, I’m being selfish and just want them to give Favors the ball so I can see how good of a post player he is.
Thanks for the link.
Favors looks interesting:
11.7 pts, 3.1 offensive rebounds, 5.2 defensive rebounds, plays PF or C (6’ 10")
But so does Artison Parkakhouski:
21.4 pts, 5.2 offensive rebounds, 8.2 defensive rebounds, plays C (6’11")
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
There is another good article that is more recent that talks about Favors and his statistics.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
nice link
let me wrankle Aykis, respectfully, just a bit
There have been times this year when I’ve wondered, "Is Favors another Tyrus Thomas?" The freshman star of the 2006 NCAA tournament for LSU, Thomas was drafted fourth overall by Chicago that summer and has since done nothing of consequence. Last month the exasperated Bulls traded him to Charlotte. But the harder I look, I see more differences than similarities
I respect the thoughts of Seth Davis from SI and he is not yet impressed enough with Favors (and is disdainful of Ed Davis)
by betweentheeyes on Mar 13, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
The thing about Parakhouski
He is a senior. He is 4 years older than Favors. He is his teams go-to guy, Favors can’t even get an entry pass and has to share opportunities with Lawal. Artsiom play 10 minutes more a game, at a small school in a weak conference against centers that are no where near his size. Favors plays out of position in arguably the toughest, most talented conference in college basketball.
DraftExpress doesn’t even have Artsiom going in the first round.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
Interesting...
I saw that he is four years older than favors. I am just impressed by his stats. I don’t any more about him, though.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
the 3 big men in the next 2 years with star potential
derrick favors, jeremy tyler, perry jones
PJ is going to have to get a lot bigger to be a PF though
by WiltonDeportes on Mar 13, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Tyler
reportedly left his Israeli team. Bad mojo all over it, and it don’t reflect well on Tyler. At all.
It was stupid of him to even go there
I can understand if you go after high school, but to skip your senior year to go play pro was a bad decision. Any reports as to what he is going to do next? He can’t go play college now that he has lost his amateur status and I presume he would have to play somewhere in order to let scouts keep him on their radar until he can go to the NBA.
Maybe I can get him on my rec team.
Him and that guy from Davis- we would kick some ass.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
That was always the problem with Jeremy Tyler.
He wasn’t emotionally tough to handle it. But, had he been able to handle it it would have been talked about as the new wave of way players could enter the NBA. Now it will be used as another of " college makes players mature" lines by idiots who want to hype college ball.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I'm so torn with him
Part of me wishes he would have come to U of L, because of his talent, but he’s got so much potential to be an absolute cancer on a basketball team, it’s scary.
Who would you rather have: DeMarcus Cousins or Tyler?
Both seem pretty difficult to handle.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Cousins has star potential.
The question is if he has work ethic and the ability to get his head on straight.
Favors is on TV right now, btw
ESPN. Georgia Tech vs. NC State for a chance to beat Duke tomorrow morning.
Gani Lawal (someone several of us were hoping the Kings would look at with the No. 23 pick last spring, before he withdrew his early entry app) is also playing.
Thanks just turned it on
This body holding me, reminds me of my own mortality, embrace this moment, remember, we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion-MJKeenan
I posted this several weeks ago. LOl
Glad it’s getting noticed now.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
What? No crazy tongue lashing about reposting the same stuff? (Sorry Aykis)
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Why? Not Ice's fault.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Just f-ning with Aykis.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Well go forth my son.
q
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Is Favors your bigman draft choice Pookey?
I’m rather undecided between him and cousins.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Yep.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Sorry man.
I knew this was an older article. I didn’t remember if anyone had posted it. Guess I could have looked first.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 1:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not a problem. Glad people are talking about it Ice.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
And for those who think it's only sour grapes.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I really like Greg Monroe
Of all the big men in this draft, i think Favors and Monroe have the most potential
Favors is an athletic jumper that reminds me of Amare Stoudemire
Monroe has the complete skillset, and is a great passer, he reminds me of a young Chris Webber
i just dont know where the love is for Monroe..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlBEGoyUn-Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnMEmDeteMc
Soft.
I know we use this word a lot around here as a joke but Monroe just can’t shake it. Last year Monroe was considered a top 4 or 5 talent but that talk is all but dead now.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
intensity
i think his intensity makes up for his lack of toughness, the way he gets fired up after a big basket is something we need around here
by Surprise Team on Mar 13, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
I'm a Georgetown fan and I still don't see it.
Monroe is at best a 10-12 pick and the Kings will have a better pick than that. I guess that if the Kings landed Turner, they could try to get back into this range, but those picks are pricey.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
that being said, the season isn't over
Greg has played pretty well, and has improved in his toughness and rebounding this season. He is super young for a sophomore; I think Whiteside is actually older than him.
If you check out his defensive rebounding rate for his team over at DraftExpress, he leads the NCAA.
He is definitely going to be in the top 10. He would have gone so high last year because there weren’t many good big men.
If the Kings draft at 5 or lower, I bet they take a good long look at Greg Monroe. I think it has a lot to do with what this team thinks of Landry and the other young bigs. If they want to keep Landry, maybe you want to pair him with someone like Cole Aldrich (assuming you are drafting @ 5 or lower.) If you just want to take best player available, maybe they end up trading Landry or Shock and Hawes.
It would be fun to have Monroe and Hawes on the same team. Can you play 2 high-post centers at the same time? One at each elbow?
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 2:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Here is the problem that I see.
If you draft a Favors it is because his talent is such that you can’t pass up on him. The Kings need defensive/rebounding/shot blocking big to go with what they have and although I think that Monroe bring a lot of things, I don’t know that he majorly upgrades the Kings as they currently stand. Whiteside or Udoh fit the bill better and are projected around the same range considering that Monroe was projected to go in late teens a few weeks ago. I know, talent versus need but if these guys are all fighting it out together in pre-draft workouts then I I think the Kings might look for a guy who has certain defensive skills over a guy who doesn’t.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Unathletic
and a small frame. I doubt most of his game will translate.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
so what?
Easy. I want the best player
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
so
you would rather have an athletic big with limited passing ability (aka 1on1 player) over a big with the whole skillset that can see the floor but isnt as athletic?
i beg to differ
by Surprise Team on Mar 13, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
because thats all that matters
you know, your right. Everyone else must be wrong. Greg monroe is hardly projected to go in the lottery.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
i never said i didnt want favors
i realize that monroe is not projected as a high pick. ill try to make this clearer
If we get a pick when wall/turner/favors are all already gone, i would rather trade down than pick from cousins and a bunch of swingmen
sorry for not making that clear
by Surprise Team on Mar 13, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I, too, would rather draft Monroe than Cousins
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 13, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Are you guys frickin nuts?
Cousins could be a top 10 maybe even top 5 big man in the NBA. You just don’t pass on that I’m sorry. That would be one of the worst decisions this franchise has ever made. That being said I am confident in our front office enough to know they won’t pass on him. No way. Wall, Turner, Cousins, Favors will be your top 4 picks. After Wall, Turner, & maybe Favors are picked no team in the league will pass on Cousins. Screw the attitude. This isn’t a player with potential & a bad attitude. This is an NBA ready, very skilled, & very tall big man who can start on almost any NBA team. Comparing him to no skill, bad attitude guys like Ty Thomas & Stromile Swift is ridiculous. He has too much basketball talent right now.
I love beating dead horses.
I totally agree, except for Turner being 2nd.
depending on how the lottery goes, I can see Turner falling to 3rd or even 4th just like Tyreke did.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
???
This isn’t a player with potential & a bad attitude
You are going to have a LOT of disagreements with this part. He DOES have a lot of potential, and also a very bad attitude. Scouts describe him as lazy and unmotivated. DO NOT WANT. That is the type of player that can just as easily wreck your team as make it better. No, comparing him to Tyrus Thomas and Stromile Swift doesn’t make much sense. Compare him to Eddy Curry instead.
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 14, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant "potential" is not the only thing you have to rely on
He is good now. Some players are drafted soley on potential. This is not the case he is talented enough to play in the NBA now. He is just as much a sure thing talent-wise as John Wall imo. You can say he can reck your team. I don’t know about that I’m not in the locker room with the guy but watching the game earlier his team sure didn’t look like a team in turmoil. Would you pass on Wall or Turner if the had they same concerns? Lazy & unmotivated? His numbers tell me different. I wonder if these same scouts would pass on him if he were available to them? Or maybe is this just a smoke screen? All I know is what I saw in the few games I watched was the total opposite of lazy & unmotivated. I don’t follow the college game but I just don’t see how you just pass on the best big man in the draft? Please explain to me the similarities between Cousins & Curry because I see none what so ever.
I love beating dead horses.
...
I don’t follow the college game but I just don’t see how you just pass on the best big man in the draft?
You don’t know about his reputation, mannerisms, etc. then. Simply put, Cousins is a douchebag. He’s a “thug”. He’s a selfish player. Compare him to Andrew Bynum if that makes you feel better; he’s still not a sure thing by any means.
Would you pass on Wall or Turner if the had they same concerns? Lazy & unmotivated?
Yes.
Here’s an article about him for you.
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 14, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I've read the links here about Cousins
& there is nothing that I see that makes me say hell no. I actually like him a little more but that’s just me. To each his own I guess.
I love beating dead horses.
I just want someone who can guard Dwight Howard 1-on-1. Is that so much to ask?
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
um yes
because nobody can. the closest any team has to that in the nba is andrew bynum
and i dont see anyone is this draft class being able to stay with Howard (although Aldrich and Cousins could give him some trouble)
by Surprise Team on Mar 13, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Perkins does a pretty damn good job on Howard
He sucks against Andrew Bogut though. Go figure.
Bynum? Bynum is not my top choice against Howard. I would take Perkins, Bogut, Horford, B. Lopez, Okafor, Shaq, Haywood, Camby, Duncan, and his teammate Gortat to go up against Dwight, before I picked Bynum.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 2:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
some exceptions
i agree on perkins, forgot about him
but bogut, horford, duncan, gortat dont have the strength to get position
by Surprise Team on Mar 13, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Still take them over whiny entitiled Bynum.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 2:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Scot Pollard too!
Seriously…
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 13, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
My Current Faves -
1. Wall – There is no reason that Evans and Wall can’t work together.
2. Turner – See #1.
3. Favors – I like Cosuins a notch more on NBA-ready talent, but Favors’ attitude gives him the edge.
4. Cousins
5. Wesley Johnson – Don’t want another swing man, but the Kings need to take the best player available, and Johnson is a top 5 talent.
6. Ed Davis – If healthy.
7. Aminu – Again, don’t want another swing man, but he’s my next best guy.
8. Whiteside – I’m not big on drafting guys whose biggest plus is the dreaded “upside,” but I don’t see anyone below Whiteside that has me salivating.
9. Aldrich – This guy will (a) have a solid NBA career, and (b) will never make an all star team.
10. Monroe – I like his game, but I just don’t see a great athlete. Guys that aren’t great athletes better have great motors. I’m not convinced that Monroe has a great motor.
11. Patterson – I’d like him to be a little taller.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
wesley johnson
reminds me of donte greene
by Surprise Team on Mar 13, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Wesley Johnson is fluid, is a MUCH quicker-twitch athlete, and already plays D
Donte never played D until he got to the NBA, and even then he’s still not awesome. Johnson is like Greene at hyperspeed.
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 13, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
1. Wall – There is no reason that Evans and Wall can’t work together.
Name 2 superstar backcourt players who always operate with their ball working together.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Who says they both have to dominate the ball?
Evans works fine with Udrih, so why wouldn’t he work with Wall? Watch Kentucky. Bledsoe handles the ball. too.
Frazier/Monroe worked. Porter/Drexler worked. Thomas/Dumars worked.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Mar 13, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep. I know they did.
It’s going to take a lot more than trotting out historical examples to make me believe that picking John Wall makes the Kings a better team.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Which I know is contradicting what I originally said. Poor phrasing on my part.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
This is only an issue if the Kings get the #1 pick,
because Wall is going #1, no matter who winds up with the pick.
The Kings are still lacking talent. They need to draft the best talent. If Wesley Johnson is the best talent available, you don’t pass on him to take Cole Aldrich, even though you need interior help. Draft the best talent and then sort it out.
Talent. Talent, talent, talent.
Talent.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Talent don't mean shit if it don't work together.
Exhibit A: Kevin Martin Tyreke Evans and the rest of the Kings. Your honor, I rest my case.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
But you're proving my point
Martin begat Carl Landry and cap space. Hence, talent wins out.
Talent.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Oh I see. Yes, talent wins out.
So, the Kings have to ignore a chance, especially if they get the opportunity to get a player who can make a significant impact, especially coupled with the Kings other players, on a team that absolutely needs it for a chance to draft a superstar and garner the Kings even more hype.
Of course this team needs more talent. The question is this team completely talent depraved or do the real gaps and issue’s need to be filled.
The things that make you go hmmm.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Your thought process
is how teams draft Bowie over Jordan, and Milicic over Wade and Bosh.
Non-lottery picks are for need. Lottery picks are for the best talent.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
My thought process is exactly that.
Except I would have drafted Charles Barkley. But i digress.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
We need as much talent as we can get, and aside from Evans,
Nobody’s job is safe.
This is not a talented team. Sorry. There is potential in some players; others will improve a bit and be good role-players.
But if you wanna compare the Kings to other young teams, they are among the least talented.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 2:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Blazers & Thunder have been together longer.
Their progress has been in part due to chemistry and time if nothing else. I don’t think a lot of people felt OKC would be a top 6 team in the West this season at any point.
And, the argument that Jordan/Drexler would have co-existed is not necessarily true. Jordan was a ballhog his entire career, and Scottie Pippen was not. Even though Drexler was not the same level scorer that Jordan was (and who was in the history of the NBA), it’s difficult to argue that Jordan’s talent would have made the Blazers that much better in the long run without having to move Jordan/Drexler for a big to complement either guy.
Yes, that seems reasonable, but it’s easier said than done. What team wants to help another with a dominant wing player like Jordan/Drexler get a big anyway? Isn’t the NBA a competitive business for every NBA team?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Haha yeah Jordan was a ballhog. But who else would you pick over him to give the ball to?
I would not put Wall or Evans on the same level as Drexler or Jordan.
I think there are plenty of teams that would give away an expiring contract and a future draft pick for Evans, if we had Wall and it didn’t work out. I wouldn’t worry about that.
And as far as competitiveness and trades, do I really have to remind you of the Shaq trade, the Garnett trade, the Gasol trade? There are always going to be teams that in hindsight do dumb things.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 2:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I know Wall or Evans is not MJ. I know this. That wasn't my point.
Shaq wasn’t traded in his prime (either of the 3 times he’s been traded, but I assume you’re referring to the Lakers-Heat trade in 2004), KG was nearly at the end of his prime (as recent events have proven), and the Gasol trade also got the Grizzlies significant cap relief + talent in the draft and players that ended up making them better (like Marc Gasol).
People believe what they want on this one.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Yeah Shaq in '04
I guess, realistically, none of those trades were bad for either team. Lakers got Odom, Minny got Al and picks, Memphis got Marc and picks.
My point is that there will always be teams that are willing to make trades for proven talent. You contended that teams will refuse to do any trades on the basis that it benefits other teams, whereas in all of those blockbuster trades, it seemed lopsided, but really wasn’t.
If you have Wall and Evans, and it doesn’t work out, well, you are pretty much guaranteed to get some talent in return. If you take Cole Aldrich because he fills an immediate need, and he doesn’t work out, you don’t get as much talent return as you would for Wall or Evans.
Is it really gonna hurt Evans development to learn to play off the ball a little more? Don’t you think it would make him a better, more well-rounded player in the long run, if he managed to adapt?
Does Wall really come onto a team with an established young guard with the goal to never pass him the ball and try to get him traded? Wouldn’t he listen to the coaches and other players?
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 3:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Does Miami draft Rose over Beasley
If they land the #1 pick even though the ball runs through Wade?
I love beating dead horses.
Wade still might go to Chicago, and end up with Rose.
Wade, Rose, Noah, Deng would be a fun team.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
They would have taken Rose
Riley really wanted him, and nearly took Mayo over Beasely (lots of rumors of him shopping the number two pick)
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
This is true.
Landry is damn good though, a legit potential All Star; and I have pretty high hopes for Omri long term.
But overall the Kings are talent challenged. Definitely very near the bottom of the league in raw physical ability.
We need to hit another jackpot with this draft .
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Draft BPA use cap space to address other needs
Or use BPA &/or cap space to address those needs after you KNOW they don’t fit.
I love beating dead horses.
The diference between Wall and Martin.
Martin thinks he is really good and Wall knows he is great. I understand your thought here but I see a way that two guys who need the ball can run a team by taking turns and working together. Martin wasn’t a strong enough personality to demand that he function alongside Evans. Wall, is to me, another Tyreke type player with MORE upside. They would be unstoppable IMO with both players demanding defensive scheming.
Who cares if no one can hit a three- both of these guys cut through defenses that are stacked against and I think they would continue to do so as backcourt mates.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
I always enjoy wishful thinking.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Jason Smith. Enough said.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
This is me, poking the Pookey.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Poke all you want.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
She can poke. You cannot.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Why?
Wall has potential, but he has not played a minute in the NBA. You may say that he is a can’t miss prospect, but there have been many “can’t miss” that have missed.
Agreed
I would not trade Evans for the rights to Wall. No way.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Me too
Wall might be great but Tyreke is already NBA Rookie oft the Year and 2/3rds of the way to being an eventual all star.
That’s not just a bird in hand, that’s a frickin’ eagle in hand!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Allen Iverson and Jerry Stackhouse!
Hardaway and Mullen? Payton and Bryant?
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 2:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh no, you tripped and fell into the sarchasm, didn't you?
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 3:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Evans and Kevin Martin!!!
Maybe Scottie Pippen and Michale Jordan. I know Pippen was a SF but he was a point SF
I would take 7 - 11 over Johnson
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 2:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ekpe Udoh
might break into the Top 10. He really looked major league in the Big 12 Tourny: 25 pts on 9 of 14, plus 8 rebounds, 3 assists vs Texas on Friday night. Then last night vs K-State, 18 pts on 9 of 13, 11 boards, 3 assists, 2 steals.
Dude is 6’10 240 with something like a 7’5" wingspan. He’s quick, a good shooter who can score with his back to the basket. Definitely could play center in the NBA. Crazy shot blocker (he rejected 7 vs Oklahoma a couple of weeks ago, 9 against Texas Tech.
I also like Greg Monroe, and he seems to be putting it together down the stretch, but I tend to agree with you and jiham and a couple of other commenters. His limitations make him too risky to select where the Kings are likely to be drafting. I was touting Monroe last year, but sorry, comparing him to Chris Webber is just not realistic. Physically, athletically C-Webb was a freak when he came into the league, a total hoops prodigy. Monroe is basically a big guy with some nice talent who keeps improving, but seems to have some athletic limitations. Big difference.
And then there’s Hassan Whiteside. He took a step backward yesterday, but if he projects as a Top 10 pick come draft time (and he just might), I think he’s got to go pro. That’s where things get scary because you look at his size, his skills, his quickness and overall athletic ability and you think “damn, this kid looks like Marcus Camby or Tim Duncan!” Somebody could totally hit the jackpot with Hassan. Or he could languish in the NBA as he scrambles to learn the game on the fly.
All that said, pookey has convinced me on this one. If Favors is on the board when we draft, that’s our guy. He’s strong, quick, can run the floor, rebound, score inside.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
oh, and I don't want Cousins either. No way, no thank you, no how.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
If Wall, Turner , & Favors are gone & you don't pick Cousins
You should be fired.
I love beating dead horses.
you might be right, albenji
and if I’m GP and Cousins is on the board when it’s my turn, maybe the only option is to pull the trigger.
But not every NBA scout agrees with that assessment..
http://sportsbybrooks.com/nba-scout-on-uks-cousins-he-is-on-bigtime-meds-27930
In any case, what I was saying is that, as a fan I do not want to see that kid wearing purple and black. I saw the above blurb. and I’ve heard too many reports about the tantrums, flagrant fouls, and off-court violence.
Now imagine that personality with millions of dollars in his pocket. That could be like dousing this young team with nitro glycerin.
So if those other guys are gone and we’re on the clock I’d hope the KIngs go with Whiteside, or trade down and get say, Wesley Johnson and Udoh or other similar valuable assets.
But that’s just me…
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Mar 14, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, yes, yes
DeMarcus Cousins is a train wreck waiting to happen. Over/under on number of years in the league before he ends up on trial for something: 5
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 14, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
This part was funny to me
“He’s kind of like a kid I had at Memphis named Joey Dorsey,” Calipari said. “The other team used to do whatever they could to get his goat because they knew he’d lose it. Well, I think Louisville came in to try to get this kid’s goat, and we told him they were going to do that.”
I love beating dead horses.
it must be one great goat
especially if teams are trying to get it from him. Maybe that’s the way to control Cousins. Keep his goat safe and he won’t lose his cool on the court.
by king4life on Mar 14, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Because I just envisioned you, me and allbenji’s as three drunken morons having this as a serious conversation at a bar, and that made me laugh out loud.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Well now we have a nickname for Cousins if he becomes a King
“The Shepard” They’re always trying to get his goats.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I went into these articles with an open mind
Let me say I thought the cbssports one was a bit of an overreaction. A guy looking for a story in my opinion. The other story was a little concerning but you can be concerned or you can chalk it up to immaturity. The cbs sports story actually made me want him more. It’s funny how Brockman beats the hell out of people on the court but Cousins being aggressive & maybe a little dirty is a huge concern. You got dirty guys in the league like Nocioni, Najera, Verajao, Bowen who are only in the league for that reason because they aren’t very talented. Then you have a very talented big who is a bit dirty & aggressive & that’s a problem?
Also I do like Whiteside & Udoh but not over Cousins. In hindsight do you pass on a Brook Lopez based on these concerns? Because Cousins might be just as good.
I love beating dead horses.
We're going to be picking 7th or later
So Whiteside, Udoh, Monroe, Aldrich and the like will become the eventual topic of conversation. Wall, Turner, Cousins and Favors will be long gone.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
That is by no means a sure thing
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 14, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
You're probably right
As of now I like Whiteside but like I said before I don’t follow college ball much but I do watch the tourny when I can. This year I will watch a lot because I won’t be back to work until mid-april. I am looking forward to watching these kids play. I can’t decide if referring to 19 & 20 year olds as kids is funny or depressing. Probably a little of both.
I love beating dead horses.
Do you let Pookey do your thinking for you?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Ha! That's very good!
Oh, man, I hope pookey sees this… I think he’d get as big a kick out of it as I did. To answer, dunk, no as a rule I don’t take marching orders from pookeyguru.
However, in this case I do agree that Favors would be the optimum big man for the Kings in this draft. I already liked him and an article that pookey directed me to sort of cinched that opinion.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Btw MM th's the same article Ice linked to in this fanshot..
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Agreed on Udoh
I almost placed him right after Patterson.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
I'd draft him before Patterson.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
This
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 14, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
And he's a crazy shot blocker as well
Have been several games where he’s almost had triple doubles with Blocks.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Yep, Udoh is the better shot blocker
Patterson is the better low post player. Either could potenitally help the KIngs.
Udoh might be a little more appealing to Petrie, as he is a better deep shooter as well as a talented (though occasionally suspect) passer.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
DX has him pegged
Rasheed without the attitude problems.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
that would make him an All-Star
Rasheed “both teams played hard, I lead the League in technicals” Wallace is an amazing talent. He is what makes people flinch about DeMarcus Cousins.
DX has Patterson as best case: Carl Landry.
If you are watching Kentucky v Miss State. What do ou think of Varnado? I know I am weird but his posture and his hands ont he hips, his hands on the knees and his overall stance bug me. His production is awesome however, his blocks, his low post moves are enchanting.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
See below
I really like Varnardo, only if we can get him late first somehow or with our 2nd rounder.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Come on guys. Cousins?
sure he has talent, but he is an asshole. His lack of maturirty has been on full display, and I think the kind of team the kings are building doesn’t need that.
My mock looks like this:
Wall
Turner
Favors
I don’t know too much about wall, but turner and Favors are supre high character, and tough. Turner especially, that kid is a warrior.
Turner is essentailly Evans as a better passer, not as physically imposing, and a better shooter.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
turner/evans
turners game did look a lot like evans’, especially late in that game today
but the 10 TO’s worried me
Think Brandon Roy in two years.
The dude has a lot of talent and wants the big shot. He can improve as a shooter but that can be said for about 93% of college and pro players.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Whoever we draft better pan out....we probably won't get another top 5 pick next year
Seems like the guy most of us want to draft is Cousin’s minus the attitude but instead most are settling for Favors. If he has Derrick Coleman’s skill it’s hard to pass him up. Coleman was an awesome player for NJ…but yea the rest was not so great.
Watching Favors on TV right now he looks solid but not an imposing presence at the college level so he may not be on the NBA level either. I do think he’s more athletic than Cousins due to his frame and that is a major positive. I for one want someone who has a Kendrick Perkins or Dwight Howard type frame who won’t need the double team against most PFs and Cs.
Cousins is 19 and his attitude can improve….or it may get worse…so there’s a major risk here. If Cousin’s can prove to teams he’s maturing and growing up I’d take a shot at him. At 6’11 270 lbs he dwarfs a guy like favors who is 6’9" 245. Favors is a NBA PF but Cousins is a PF/C.
Here’s a comparison for per 40 numbers
Favors – 17.7pts, 12.6 rbs, 1.6 asts, 1.5stls, 3.0 blks, 3.4 TOs
Cousins- 27.6pts, 17.6 rbs, 1.7 asts, 1.6stls, 3.1 blks, 3.3 TOs
Cousins numbers crush Favors and they both play against top level competition…I’m definitely skeptical of Cousins but he could be star with the right coach and teammates.
Wow! Cousins numbers are impressive
So what are his attitude issues?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
No, I am not being sarcastic.
What are his issues?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I've read one thing by an eastern conference GM that says Cousins is on meds.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
It was either from Marc Spears or Marc Stein. Can't remember which. Probably Spears.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
soft...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBKyoSBEAnQ
funny, seems u can find something about every single basketball player making them “soft”
by Surprise Team on Mar 13, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Nah that ain't really it.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I saw that too.
That’s a Red Flag the size of those ones the Chinese were marching down the boulevards of Beijing during the Olympics.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
The fact that he actually takes his meds is a good sign to me
People have issues it’s an unfortunate fact in todays society. I don’t know if he takes meds but people who need meds & take them are not a problem. The problem is the people who need them & don’t take them. If he needs meds & takes them that is a sign of maturity not the opposite.
I love beating dead horses.
The Sacramento Kings are dope
and StR is here for us
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
The amount of violence in his game WITH meds is frightening
Do. Not. Want.
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 14, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes that's nice,
but what kind of meds is important to take into consideration.
For example patients on anti-psychotics (and those would qualify as “big-time” meds) often drift off their dosages and have relapses. And According to a website I googled:
anti-psychotics can trigger hyperglycemia and/or diabetes, extreme weight gain and have other side effects that can cause physical health problems.
Anti depressants also have side effects like dizziness, weight gain, low blood pressure, etc, stuff that would be serious for any person, much less someone competing as a professional athlete.
Hey, I don’t know what the deal is with Cousins. Maybe he’s just immature and will grow out of it.
But anybody advocating that the Kings draft him should measure their enthusiasm with the possibility that the kid could turn out to be a major train-wreck
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Sorry let me start again
This guy has a possible anger problem & a sure bad attitude & guys are writing him off as a possible train wreck. Maybe it’s just not everyone is the same especially in a league with a few hundred guys you are going to have a few characters. I just haven’t seen anything that tells me his personality trumps his talent. I understand the concern but just feel it’s a bit of an overreaction. Rasheed Wallace, Kenyon Martin,Kobe Bryant are all punks in my book but at their best I would take them on my team in a heartbeat.
I love beating dead horses.
No, I am not using sarcasm
I haven’t followed college basketball
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
He has had at least 3 open fights/pouts/sulking fits during a game this season.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 3:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
OMG - That's downright dangerous!!!
He went right for the throat and then held onto his head with his other arm. I would take that seriously.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Still - His response is scary.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
another plus... guys won't mess with him
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
or they mess with him more
to try to elicit a reaction…get him thrown out…like sheed
Like Ron Artest
easy to provoke
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
That dude kneed him in the melon.
I didn’t have an issue with that. Balls on the ground and your star big is fighting for it. Now, if he would have stretched the dudes scrotum over his head then I would be like OMG but that was scrum work- shit happens on the floor.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Dude
The guy kneed Cousins in the face – hard! You expect him to lie down after that?
Yes! He needs to stay on the floor, writhing in pain and let the ref call a flagrant on the guy who kneed him.
I suppose you would give Ron Artest a pass on beating up a fan who threw a beer at him.
The guy has to control his temper.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Come on guys really?
he also has far an away the highest PER of any player this year...
http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.php?year=2009/10&league=NCAA&per=pergame&qual=prospects&q=usage&sort2=DESC&pos=all&stage=all&min=20&conference=0&sort=6
cousins at 36.8….favors at 24.7
I would love to have cousins if he’s not a headcase
I think wall gets some credit for that
Favors is in a terrible fit with Georgia tech.
Not to mention Cal is a great coach
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
There is no question that Cousins is more NBA ready.
The problem is, he is also got some crazy in him. Crazy good, crazy bad- crazy and that is tough to gamble on with a top 5 pick. Talent trumps all, look at Iverson, DC, Kenyon Martin. If I am making a case for Favors it is that his ceiling is as high or higher than Cousins although it will take longer to realize but his bust potential as a player is way less than Cousins as a person. Maybe the Kings can use a little crazy up in here.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
playing college ball in the US
has allowed more people and more scouts to see Cousin’s issues. I think Cousins has a serious temper problem and teams will be careful of drafting him .
And by the end of the season, he may be shooting 13% from the field.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
If you redid the NBA draft again
I guarantee Iverson is maybe the 4th pick in 1996 behind Kobe, Nash and Ray Allen.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Iverson made the sixers a ton of money.
More than Nash and Ray Allen could have.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
AI made alot of different folks a ton of money. No question on that.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I don't think it is a given that Cousins is more talented
I would argue that he is almost a year older, has John Wall as the focus of the opposing team’s offense, and is bigger.
If Favors was in the position Cousins is at in Kentucky, I bet we would be seeing similar, if not better numbers.
And I think, attitude aside, Favors has more upside. Cousins is just big. He has good instincts. But do you really see him improving on anything other than fitness? Will he really be able to be as effective playing against bigger, stronger players in the NBA?
In the long run, Favors will be better. Cousins would work fine on this team, though, and have more of an immediate impact.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 3:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is very similar to the Rubio/Reke arguments Ice.
Reke has the substance but Rubio had the flash and game folks yearned for. I think it’s similar with regards to Favors/Cousins.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Guess.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
hahaha Cousins literally has more substance.
He is still a little chubby.
I think Cousins would have less of a problem with his attitude playing on a team with 3 frontcourt players, maybe 4, in front of him on the depth chart, knowing this is Tyreke’s team, knowing Westphal has benched his most talented big man for fairly reasonable comments, and being in a smaller city like Sac rather than playing for the Knicks, Sixers, Warriors, or Nets.
If Cousins comes here he has a better chance than he would on some other teams.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 3:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think the jury is out on what kind of "problem" Cousins is going to be.
There is the Rodman/Rasheed type problem, the Coleman type problem or the worse case- Eddie Griffin, Roy Tarpley and to a certain extent Michael Beasley problem. You can deal with a Rodman/Rasheed problem because their issues help make them the players they are. DC was a little different- he was a cancer and a head case but too talented to not play so he just frustrated franchise after franchise. What we are really trying to avoid is the the last kind of problems. The dude who makes life altering decisions that involve himself and you as a franchise. Sacramento is no kind of place for that kind of guy.
The NFL standards have 4 types- TO/OchoCinco (Noise) vs. Randy Moss (trouble and effort issues but you put up with it because of greatness) vs. Antonio Bryant/Brandon Marshall (Law trouble but production) vs. Ray Caruth, Donté Stallworth (Sacramento natives that kill people)
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
That wasn't it.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
everything you said is true and whoever we end up with will have my support....
But the fact that “Cousins is just big” matters. Though he’s not as big as Shaq…Shaq was also “just big”
If Cousins had Shaq's size and talent
There would be no discussion here. DeMarcus has neither the explosiveness, skill, or, sorry to say, the IQ of Shaq. Hence, the questions regarding his future.
Cousins has size relative to the competition he has played so far. He has been the biggest guy 99% of the time. So that is all he has to rely on.
Favors is a better all-around defender, even though he is smaller. His effort is consistently better, even though he is also the biggest guy on the floor most of the time. He is more explosive, and just as effective around the basket. He does not have the weight or the strength of Cousins, but he most certainly will if he wants it.
Neither player will be the biggest guy every night in the NBA. So the question is whether or not they can rely on other skills and continue to develop their abilities to gain back that advantage.
If you want a low-post player on offense, go with Cousins. If you want a great defender with offensive potential, draft Favors.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 3:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
best case scenario would be for them to come in together for a workout....
that’s what sold me on tyreke against the other pgs
let's not get ahead of ourselves
best case is being in a position to decide between the two. until that happens, I’m not investing too much time in this debate (especially after the pointless griffin vs. rubio exercise of last year)
I would be happy with Favors
I just think passing on Cousins after Wall, Turner, & Favors are gone is 10 times crazier than Cousins himself
I love beating dead horses.
Let's see how Cousin does in the tournament with the whole country watching...
If he continues to put up 19pts 15rbs 2blks in 26 minutes like he did today….attitude will matter much less to me…and I’ll be much more willing to take the risk
I would take any of the top 4
But for real, we are probably going to be picking around 8-9. So now who do you want realistically? Monroe, Whiteside, Aldrich, Patterson? It’s hard to say but right now as much as this makes me sick I would probably go Aldrich. I am praying that we win the lottery and get a top 3 pick
Realistically, check which teams have won the #1-3 spots the last
The Kings have a chance for a top 3 pick, the same way the Clippers did last year, even if they weren’t the worst team in the league. Just like Chicago, Portland, and many teams throughout history.
Have some hope, man!
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Mar 13, 2010 4:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We are Sacramento Kings Fans
we hope for the best but expect the worst. Go Kings!
(getting the first, the second, the ….. oh crap, picking 10th!)
by betweentheeyes on Mar 13, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
nor really
Right now we are tied for the 4th most losses in the league. That means if it were held today, we would realistically be in the 4-6 range
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
Washington traded away all their talent
the first 4 teams in the draft will be NJ, Min, GS & Wash. the 5th place team has a 30% chance of winning a top 3 pick, and after that it drops very quickly. the 6th place team has a 20% chance and so on. Right now there are 6 teams fighting for the 5th spot, so I don’t like our odds of getting a top 3 and 4th place is impossible.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
out of that group monroe for sure. if they draft aldrich everyone should burn their kings jerseys in the street.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
And this comes in handy if he has to feed his chicks?
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
.....?
no, he has a 9’1" standing reach.
think about it. do you know what a 9 foot wingspan would look like? that would be 1.5 more feet that AK.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
are you speaking in hyperbole?!
If he truly has.a 9’ wingspan I’d be tempted to pick him, even if there’s no body attached to those arms. Imagine a help defender a la Camby who blocks your shot from the other side of the court!! Is this guy a total spaz or something? How could you pass on those arms otherwise?
by TheFNG on Mar 14, 2010 9:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
With a 9' wingspan it would take 30 seconds to get his hand all the way up
to block a shot
I love beating dead horses.
lol
Do you know what a 9 foot wingspan would look like?
An orangutan.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
And...?
Orangutans are athletic as hell! Have you SEEN Dunston checks out?!
by TheFNG on Mar 14, 2010 6:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Watching Favors today...
Reminded me of a Jason Thompson who has a little more composure though. I didn’t see very much that impressed me. Cousins is definitely who I would rather have at this point.
I’d rather put Whiteside next to Landry.
Tyreke Evans for R.O.Y!
by sac-townz finest on Mar 13, 2010 11:03 PM PST reply actions
Whiteside is risky if we have a top 5 pick...
Shot blocking does not always translate well to the NBA…especially from lower tier conferences.
Here are the some of the best shot blockers from the last 9 years of NCAA play
40 min numbers Shot Blocking
Shawn James – Northeastern 9.4
Mickell Gladness – Alabama A&M 8.6
Hassan Whiteside – Marshall 8.4
Justin Williams – Wyoming 7.2
James Varnardo – Miss St 6.7
Stephane Lasme – Mass 6.7
Deng Gai – Fairfield 6.2
Moussa Badiane – East Carolina 6.2
Sean Williams – BC 6.2
Emeka Okafor – UCONN 5.7
You’ll notice that only the guys from power conferences like Williams(who has attitude problems) and Okafor have made it in the league. Most are pretty confidant that Varnardo will make it. The only other name you might recognize is Justin Williams.since the kings gave him a shot once.
This is not to say that Whiteside won’t be good…it’s just that it’s hard to tell about players from small conferences. What he does have going for him is that he is an above avg rebounder which does tend to translate better to the NBA but again not as well from non power conferences.
Whiteside is probably a better pick in the 10-15 range.
Are you willing to wait 2-3 years?
Because if you think Hawes and Thompson are raw, wait until you get a load of Whiteside. He’s currently 8 on my list, but if the Kings wind up with him I am not anticipating much of a contribution from him next year.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
the dude needs to play another year of college ball
otherwise he will be joining Thabust in the D-League.
I don’t get the desperation: you draft a kid who needs 2-3 seasons – pay him a few million a year just to get the chance to make him better and hopefully good enough that you can get him ready for his first decent contract. If he is good you have to pay him but the market might just take him away. If he is a bust you just wasted time, money, a roster spot and the potential of another prospect on “someone tall”.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm officially on the Varnardo fan club with LTTG
But only if we can somehow grab him with our 2nd rounder or acquire a mid-late first rounder and don’t acquire a big with our lotto pick.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Saw him play yesterday
Guy can block shots and rebound. Reminds me of Ben Wallace a little bit.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Reminds me of Justin Williams
I’d love to grab him in the 2nd round.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Me too.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Do you mean he is attempting to many 3s?
Reminds me of Justin Williams
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
JUSTIN Williams
That shotblocker from Wyoming that did literally nothing in Sacramento.
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 14, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
BTE was referencing the 3-way in which Williams was involved
We nicknamed him 3-Wil.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Mississipi St is currently playing Kentucky for the SEC title
Varnardo is having his way with Cousins right now. He has 16 points (7-9), 5 boards and 2 blocks. Patterson is holding his own offensively at least (13 pts, 2 boards, 2 assists, 2 boards). Cousings with 4 points, 5 boards, 2 blocks. Wall with 6 points, 8 assists and 5 boards but he’s only 2-9.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Make that 3 blocks fro Jarvis.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
7 minutes left.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
but his body language is lousy
he fell down on that last play and just stayed there while the ball was still in play. Makes me crazy
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats a risk I'm willing to take with a late 1st-2nd rounder.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Probably
4 blocks now.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Eric Bledsoe is going to make a decent backup point guard in this league
Reminds me of Bobby Jackson a little.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
yeah, I like him too
he seems take charge.
Varnado just turned 22, is a senior and is tired in a 40 minute college game. Yuck.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
oh, and he is 6'9"
he reminds me a bit of Amir Johnson of Toronto, formerly Pistons.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Good comparison
DX currently has him going 36th. I think he bumps up to late 1st round, but I’d take him in a heartbeat with our 2nd rounder.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
5th block for Varnardo.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
John Wall take over time.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Bulldogs look exciting
Let’s see if the Wildcats with all of that talent can put it together
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
We'll see
They’re really young.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
This'd be a pretty big upset.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
And Cousins turns it over
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I like his (Big Cuz) hands and his foot movement and speed
Patterson with a good sense of the ball.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Miss St. - Kentucky going down to wire.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Wall goes for 3 to win, misses
Cousins offensive board and put back to tie.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Overtime.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
that was cryptic
favors Kentucky over Miss St
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Varnado playing tired
and making silly mistakes. Again, I dislike the body language. If he can’t bring the adrenaline now. When?
Also, look at the hips of Cousins and then Varnado. Once Cousins learns how to move he makes a guy like Varnado a non factor but just sealing him off.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Bledsoe was player of the game to me
the interior – Patterson and then Cousins and Orton were the other part of the difference.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 14, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Favors
played well vs. Duke today
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Mar 14, 2010 12:25 PM PDT reply actions
Favors also played well vs Duke earlier this season if I'm not mistaken.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sport
- Jeremy Lin’s teammate snaps of picture of his famous couch
- Dwight Howard picks a strange time to ask for more fourth quarter shots
- Spike Lee texts to thank the coach that cut Jeremy Lin before seeing him play
- LeBron threatened to beat up a heckler. You gotta problem with that, tough guy?
- Jason Whitlock apologizes for his unfunny Jeremy Lin comment on Twitter
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
