No Shelter Here: Kings 114, Timberwolves 100
by Ziller on Mar 15, 2010 6:40 AM PDT
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I don't mean to disparage Minnesota's roster or coaching staff (well, not the entire coaching staff), but you can tell when a team has completely given up, and the Minnesota Timberwolves have completely given up. It's hard to blame them -- the roster is baaaad, overmatched at four whole positions. (Four!) I mean, should Al Jefferson be bubbly right now? Should Jonny Flynn run the fast break wearing a grin? Of course not, just as you couldn't really blame Andres Nocioni for snivelling through the end of the 17-win season. Pain is easy to rationalize as a fan, but less so as a player. Think if you worked at Enron during the collapse. There goes your life, right?
But there's something to be said for effort in the face of doom, and the Wolves didn't have any Sunday night in the Kings' 114-100 rampage. Sacramento beat 'Sota to nearly every loose ball, contested rebound, in transition. The Kings played spirited team defense, and a ball-moving, sinuous offense. Minnesota? It looked as if everyone just wanted to get their numbers and move on. I don't know how many Ryan Hollins iso plays I can watch without vomiting. Those players don't trust each other at all, and it's easy to understand why.
The Kings, also doomed in terms of record, come out to play. Sometimes, like in the final Portland game, it doesn't work. Sometimes the shots aren't there, the opponent is too good, the defense is too permeable. But if the effort is always there, wins will come -- see the Toronto game, see Sunday night. Wins like this make the hard, hopeless work in the Portland game worth it.
As such, cheers to both the coaching staff and the team's on-court leaders for getting this much out of the team in this circumstances. It's a massive difference from last season, well-appreciated by this fan.
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It has now been said by about 15 million others, but let me agree: if Tyreke Evans strokes his jumpers with anywhere near that consistency in the future, and if he continues to develop his court vision, he is unguardable. He looked like Deron Williams out there!
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Did anyone see Kurt Rambis open his mouth or shift his gaze once? He looked like a zombie out there!
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Ryan Hollins is a disaster. That Rambis refuses to play his deck and start Al Jefferson and Kevin Love together is indefensible so long as the centers on his roster are named Ryan Hollins, Darko Milicic and Nathan Jawai. I know Love missed this game, as did Darko, but it's been a season-long issue. Love could very well be his team's best player. It isn't like Hollins has kept the team afloat defensively, right? (This is where I stroke my own ego and note I advocated against Hollins in the offseason. He is not an NBA-level player. The Big Sky conference has a couple big men more NBA ready than Ryan Hollins.)
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The Donte Greene Show was fantastic -- I highly recommend watching it on Hulu if you missed it. Can't wait until the Season 2 DVD comes out. Perfect stocking stuffer. Buying it for all my relatives.
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Evans has 27 rebounds over his last three games. I like to think he saw the Reke-o-meter and got his rebounding tail into gear. He's now on pace to hit 20/5/5. Unbelievable.
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Jason Thompson wore the top hat tonight, kids. Fifteen and eight with two blocks in just 22-1/2 minutes. He defended Jefferson pretty well, too, which was a welcome sight. I hear J.T.'s back is bothering him still (no surprise, he farking fractured two bones, like, a couple weeks ago!), so color me doubly impressed by this output. He's averaging about 13 points in 23 minutes over the past three games.
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I can't help but wonder
If Kurt Rambis took the coaching job at Minnesota so he could learn how to be an NBA head coach before Phil Jackson leaves the Lakers. That way, they don’t have to give the reigns of a team to an inexperienced head coach.
In kings related comment, Tyreke is a beast and there is no way he is not ROY.
by eaglezuke on Mar 15, 2010 7:11 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
kurt ain't getting that job
also, suck it, kurt.
by lchristmas on Mar 15, 2010 2:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
OT
How many of you will be watching the NCAA tournament?
Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"
I'll watch games with NBA talent in them
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
You’ll be watching a lot of games in the Midwest regional. Tons of NBA talent in that bracket.
Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"
Orlando Johnson vs Evan Turner
More interesting that people realize… Mid-Major stud.
If Ziegler blows a save... I'll flag his next post.
than no more Nets or TWolve games for you
I’ll watch games with NBA talent in them
by betweentheeyes on Mar 15, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
That Brook Lopez guy is pretty good
When’s he coming out to the NBA?
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
there is hope he makes it to the bigs
next season. His brother already plays for Phoenix
by betweentheeyes on Mar 15, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
He's included in my John Wall & Spencer Hawes for Brook Lopez & Derrick Favors trade.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
I'll be watching some of them
I’m especially interested in watching Kentucky guard John Wall and forward DeMarcus Cousins.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Don't forget Patrick Patterson.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
What if I've forgotten already?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Is this you?
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Yes.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
You should really get that looked at.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Do you have a 357 mag to shoot me?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
monday mornings
are always better after a Kings win.
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
For one thing...
I look forward to getting the Sacramento Bee and reading all about the game, even though I watched the game the day before. This morning, Evans was listed on the leader board with his 11 assists.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Should've had more really.
If Beno was shooting like he normally would have, thats at least 3 or 4 assists more.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Random thoughts...
-First and foremost, that was the funniest set of .gif images I have seen on a postgame thread yet. Cheers to chenp22, apoet and Jedi Leroy for some truly hiliarious images. Kobe getting pounded while watching in horror from below, the failed backflip and subsequent unbalanced numchuck swinging, flaming faces and the kid and the chicken were all laugh out loud funny…
-Whether he wants to admit it or not, JT is really finding a home coming off the bench. Relieved of the burden of worrying about foul trouble, he seems more relaxed and as a result, is playing much better…
-Was it just me or did is seem as if Tyreke was shooting the ball from slightly in front of his head last night as opposed to his normal over/behind his head form? I hope that this is something the coaches have started to work on with him – just getting a glimpse of what he can do when his jumper is falling was exciting to say the least…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
Agreed.
I like JT coming off the bench, also. He does seem more relaxed and confident with his game.
Tyreke and his jumper show was a delight to watch. Was thrilled to see him make two 3-point shots. It shows that he realizes that he needs to work on his jumper shot and showed us a glimpse of what he has been working on against the Timberwolves.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Spencer had a good game too for his limited minutes
If both Spence and JT can be that effective in about 25 minutes a night, with Landry getting the bulk of the big man minutes, I can live with that. Easily.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
but Landry is far from big
he doesn’t even look like the 6’9" he’s supposed to be. He’s probably 6’8" and 3/4.
Is 1 or 2 more inches is going to make him so much better.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Finally someone says it
I set it up purposely for that.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
of course Rambis looked like a zombie
he has a 4 year contract. And if they win 4 games next season, I think he still gets paid.
Is Kahn the next Isiah Thomas? Just look at those contracts he gave out last season to sessions and Hollins. Not to mention taking Rubio and Flynn ahead of Curry and Jennings. And giving any coach a 4 year deal on a team you knew wouldn’t be competing for at least a few years.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
I still think Sessions deserved that contract... just from another team
He was given too much to be a backup to a rookie. Plus, the T-Wolves run a triangle (supposedly, I haven’t watched them much) which has less of a need for a true point guard. A lot of teams would love Sessions for $4mil a year.
www.mancancook.net
They TRY to run a triangle
and then Rambis has his best player, and one who might actually be incredibly dangerous in the triangle, ride the bench all year. Ridiculous.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Sessions is misused in that system
You need at least a shooter or three to run the triangle in any case. They have Zero. Add a decent (shooting) SG to that Al, Love, Seesions and Flynn mix and they’ll be . . . . . .better. Right now they are incapable of stretching the floor at aaaall.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 15, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
when the best shooter you got is Kevin Love you got major issues.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Yep.
They could have REALLY used Curry.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Seriously
Flynn, Curry, Brewer, Love, Jefferson? That’s a pretty solid starting 5.
www.mancancook.net
Hell they could've drafted Curry and Omri and it would've been great for them.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Or better than what they had anyway Aykis.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
But hindsight is also 20/20.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Kings' hindsight is 20/5/5
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 15, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nice!
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Rambis didn't look like a zombie
He looked like a man contemplating the drive from Sac back to LA and wondering what type of gifts he’d have to bring to beg Phil Jackson to take him back.
www.mancancook.net
Rambis is probably thinking...
“I should have accepted the job with the Sacramento Kings.”
And we are thinking, “We are glad you didn’t.”
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Eddie Jordan
is probably thinking that too.
by what_the_crap on Mar 15, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Rambis would have ruined Reke
Look what he’s doing to Flynn and Love.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
it's sad
they’re both really good players.
by what_the_crap on Mar 15, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah...I don't get Love riding the pine while Hollins starts.
That makes no sense…TZ said in his post there are better post players in the Big Sky conference?There are better players in the Big West too; & probably at least a half-dozen mid-major schools(just a guess).
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When they loose?not feelin' the love so much(ich mir..oy vey!)
by Rhondda Nunes on Mar 15, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm scared about the backlash to this comment
so let me preface by saying that Tyreke has been unreal lately and I love how he’s started to trust teammates and ball movement.
I’m curious though if anyone else was a little bothered by his conscious attempt at completing the triple double. He spent the last few minutes of his time hanging under the basket looking for his final necessary board, yelled at Omri to “let me get it” when a ball bounced his way, and shook his head in annoyance when Omri did grab it.
Who’s telling him his in-game stats anyway? Beyond fouls, what’s the point in knowing that? Doesn’t it only promote individual play over team play? Just curious about other’s thoughts because I’m kinda on the fence.
I tried to think if I ever saw a budding superstar be so aware of his stats and make such a blatant attempt at completing a stat line. I’ve certainly seen them try to rack up points, but never a “I need X more of Y so I’m going to do everything I can to get it because this is a blowout anyway.” Maybe they’re just more subtle about it!
That being said, I’m even more excited about Reke’s potential next year, when all the ROY stuff is over and he has a clear focus on team wins.
Why won't that stupid StR let me into their crappy club for jerks?
He didn't need the triple double
His performance last night was far more impressive to me than his actual triple-double against Toronto.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Im not too worried about it
yeah it sounds selfish, but oh well. If he did that when the game was tied with 2 minutes left …. then i’d be really really worried, or during a loss. But the Kings were blowing them out.
Also, if ANYONE in the league is close to a triple double, they know. Someone will let them know, whether it’s the scorekeeper, or head coach, or someone in the 2nd row.
by what_the_crap on Mar 15, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
This.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
eh, he's a 20 year old kid
I think he’s just really excited, he may be pushing it kinda far telling other players to give up their stats to give them to him (those aren’t real stats then are they?), but like others have said, he doesn’t do that when it matters at all. Westphal did lay though that when he took Tyreke out of the game, he wasn’t asking to go back in to finish the triple double so I wouldn’t worry too much
This is Black Dynamite for Anaconda Malt Liquor... Once you pop the top, the panties drop
by prowseinthehouse on Mar 15, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
March Reke update
8 gms 19.5 6.8 6.8
7 gms 20.7 4.1 7.0 for Curry
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Curry is a hell of a player.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Yes he is
But I think Reke has a lot more upside because he has more areas of his game that can be improved.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Question I have
Does Evans or Wall have more upside as starting G’s in the L?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Wall
Because he’s one of those guys with the combination of skill and freakish athleticism. Either one can end up being better than the other, but Wall has more upside in my opinion. Upside isn’t always fulfilled as we all know.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
This is where I think I disagree.
It’s the imagination that says oh look at this guy fly around. But, high fliers don’t mean shit unless they take their games to that next level.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
See but I think Wall has the skill as well.
He’s going to be a stellar player.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I would agree with Aykis
To me, Wall is surely more athletic and is more likely to develop elite-level skill than Tyreke. Wall seems more skilled than Tyreke, currently, actually.
I wouldn't say that.
Tyreke is definitely more skilled right now. He has to rely more on his talent than athleticism to get his points. Wall has better court vision and is more explosive, but Reke has more skill at this point.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Essentially you're talking about leaping.
That really doesn’t matter much to me because a guy still has to get banged AND THEN finish in the NBA. That isn’t happening much to Wall right now at UK.
Nothing greatly surprises me anymore, but I think it’s a great toss-up as to whether Wall or Evans would be better 5 years down the road. A lot of that could be the supporting cast and what not.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
And coaching
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Yeah Calipari is underrated as a coach.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Wouldn't it be unreal if Wall wins RoY next year?
He’d have coached 3 straight PGs who went to be RoY.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
It says how good of a coach he is too.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Hell yes
you take Curry stats for the past 3 months and project him only getting better….and Wow! He should have an upper level career.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
I could see a Reke-Curry All-Star Game backcourt one of these days.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I would not doubt it one bit Aykis.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Check out
Marcus Thornton’s March. Nice, especially when you consider the 61% TS percentage.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Byron Scott deserved to be fired for not playing him and Collison more.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Makes me wonder what numbers Flynn would have if he played for Don Nelson
system.system.system.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Not one's as good.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
i hated curry getting his phony t-d
and I don’t like this either
reke you’re better than that — its a bad look
by lchristmas on Mar 15, 2010 2:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
going for the individual stats e.g. the t-d
is a bad look
imho
of course he had an incredible game, who would argue?
by lchristmas on Mar 15, 2010 4:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That doesn't mean he isn't playing to win
I get what you are saying about playing to pad the stats book, but at the same time I like that he is competitive and playing to win. Winning games, ROY, and to be excellent at what he does.
I would be more worried if he didn’t give a crap.
Yea, I feel you.
But it’s a rookie only ROY goal. In the many years to come, I expect that motivation to force a tripdub to wane.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
I can definitely see the consensus perspective here
However, I assume if we saw Jennings do the same thing (thus tying Reke in triple doubles) we’d call him a cheap hack.
OK, I’ll stop causing trouble now and just enjoy the Reke ride. It’s good to have something to cheer for again.
Why won't that stupid StR let me into their crappy club for jerks?
Except we would only call Jennings a cheap hack
because he is a cheap hack
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by prowseinthehouse on Mar 15, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
No backlash here
I was thinking the same thing. The whole franchise is really pushing the ROY thing, and I think it’s unnecessary at this point.
Am I the only one who noticed that Tom Zook gave his bank account number to an anonymous person over the phone?
by otis29 on Mar 15, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This, too.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
rec'd
He doesn’t need the hard sell anyway.
And I’ll be honest, the whole 20-5-5 thing annoys me too. Its cool no question about it, but its more cool when you look back at it or a triple double and its the outcome, not the goal.
The Big O wasn’t working the stat sheet for his 20-5-5, he was playing basketball. If Tyreke plays and ends up there, great for him, I’m not losing one second though if he ends 20-5-4.9, it says nothing about what kind of player he is.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
by Grasul on Mar 15, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This this and this. Oh, and this.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
(wherever you been Gras, welcome back.)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Honestly, works got me real bitchy
and too many “discussions” here, were becoming “arguments”
(which is my fault for being in a pissy mood).
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Well, everybody has a bad moment or two Gras. It happens to all of us.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
This whole thing says more about Coach Westphal than it does about Tyreke.
I’m curious though if anyone else was a little bothered by his conscious attempt at completing the triple double. He spent the last few minutes of his time hanging under the basket looking for his final necessary board, yelled at Omri to "let me get it" when a ball bounced his way, and shook his head in annoyance when Omri did grab it.
Who can blame Tyreke for wanting one more rebound to complete a triple double? Especially, when it is a blowout game at this point. But, I think the decision by Coach Westphal to take Tyreke out of the game, at this point, gave a message to his team. He is showing his team that he values team effort over Tyreke remaining in the game to get another triple double. Had Tyreke remained in the game to most likely get the 10th rebound, he would have received most of the attention after the game to the exclusion of the other players. Tyreke already got that on Rally for Reke Roy night, two games earlier. Westphal is showing how much he values all of his players, not just Tyreke.
I was really upset that Westphal took Tyreke out of the game, at first. Now, after contemplation, I think he sent the right message to his team.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
by Slam_Dunk on Mar 15, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think a head coach can "send" the right message. It's a lose-lose situation.
You take the player out and say “fuck your stats” and that doesn’t help you. Or, you leave a player in and he looks a bit selfish at a pretty unimportant moment. It’s definitely the lesser or 2 evils, and PW took the lesser one. That’s exactly why, as lttg noted below, every NBA team generally does it.
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You are absolutely right!
I hadn’t thought of it in quite that way, but either way, it was a no win situation for Westphal.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I disagree
In a blowout win I have no problem with him wanting that last rebound to complete the triple double. When you get close to something like that your teammates tend to know and cheer you on because they want it for you.Tyreke wanting to get that last rebound on a night where the Kings were up big is perfectly acceptable. If it were a close game or the Kings were losing big then I’d have a problem. But we’ve never seen that from him. There have been games were he was close to a triple double, but he didn’t play the rest of those games with only his stats in mind, he wanted to win.
At least he didn’t Ricky Davis it.
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I don't see that you need to make an exception
Coach took him out when it was appropriate to do so, with time left in a big-time blowout. There’s no better way to emphasize that numbers should come in the flow of the game… and I wanted him to get the triple-double, believe me! I hollered at Omri when he pulled down that board enough to scare my girlfriend into another room.
Grant tried to bait Tyreke a bit in the post game interview with a comment similar to vfettke’s and lttg’s below, and I understand the point of view. But Westphal did the what I’d consider the proper thing; to his credit Tyreke responded to the question by essentially saying that “It was the right move, we won the game and that’s what counts.” He might not have believed it (to my lack of credit, were I him I would have been a little pissed), but by saying something out loud where people can hear it you sort of force yourself to believe it, and to act by it later on. I loved this effort from Tyreke, wish he had the triple-double, but am ecstatic with the team’s performance…isn’t that more important than a single board?
I don't disagree with him being pulled
At that point there’s no reason to keep your star in and risk injury. I just disagree with the idea that it was bad for Tyreke to really want that last rebound.
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I was thinking Ricky Davis too....
Puts things in perspective. Tyreke’s behavior falls somewhere between harmless stat padding and Ricky Davis level embarrassment. I’m hoping it’s closer to the harmless end, but where Tyreke fits in there really just depends on how the rest of his team feels about it. How the media or anybody else portrays it is really irrelevant.
I'd say it was pretty harmless
He wanted to finish off the triple double in a blowout win. No one can fault him for that. He didn’t purposely miss a shot to grab his own rebound
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Obviously the team had no problem with it
I don’t know if anyone else heard it, but on his eighth rebound a couple other Kings could’ve easily grabbed it, but they were yelling out “Reke! Tyreke!” and let Evans grab the rebound. They wanted to get it for him.
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by Player To Be Named Later on Mar 15, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, didn't see that
Didn’t mean to imply that the team did have a problem with it. Just that it should be the only thing that matters.
30 point lead
every team in the league tries to get thier guy the triple double
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Mar 15, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
This.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Then again...
This is a good point.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
That's exactly why I hate the Nuggets
No matter what the lead is George Karl always leaves all of the starters in and they do whatever they can not just to pad their stats, but to humiliate the other team. I first saw this 2 years ago (I think) when they were playing the kings at home and JR Smith was hucking up 3s everytime he touched the ball and even stopped at half court to shoot a 3 just to rub it in. They continue to do this still, I’ve seen it against different teams now and all I want is for one of their guys to get a serious injury while they are stat padding to show them how stupid they are being.
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by prowseinthehouse on Mar 15, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
You figured Karl would have learned
after the fight with the Knicks. Having his best player suspended for throwing a punch should’ve taught him a lesson.
What was the bigger punishment for Melo with that, that 15 game suspension or the fact that everyone knows he hits like a girl?
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jr smith and kenyon martin
charter members of the all-jackass team
by lchristmas on Mar 15, 2010 2:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
...
C Pau Gasol
PF Kenyon Martin
SF Rick Fox
SG J. R. Smith
PG J. J. Barea
Coach George Karl
Bonus: Corey Perry
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by Player To Be Named Later on Mar 15, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont have a problem with Tyreke or PW
Because it is exciting to get a triple double, especially if you are a Rookie, and the Coach doesnt want it to be too blatant either. I think the most awful, excruciating, oh-my-god-I-almost-put-a-golf-pencil-through-my-left-eyeball-to-distract-me moments last night were Peaches fingering his no-no hole every time Tyreke grabbed a rebound or got an assist. He was practically berating the King’s players every time they missed a shot that could have been a stat for Tyreke. I dont recall that ever happening before. Dammit, if Evans passes you the ball you HAVE TO MAKE IT, HE CAN GET AN ASSIST! It was ridiculous, even my friend I was watching the game with here in Seattle, who is not a Kings fan, was annoyed, and wondering what the story was with the team and the announcer. Grant was embarrassing last night, and practically ruined the game for me, when it was exciting to watch Tyreke play so well, JT looking like his old self, Spencer looking good, and Donte Showing up.
by MichaelMack on Mar 15, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Ha you just said someone was annoyed with Peaches
Like it would surprise any of us!
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by prowseinthehouse on Mar 15, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Time sync is off for me if I watch and listen to the radio
on DTV – not for you guys?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 15, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Besides, I like starting the game a little late
so I can speed through commercials and stop and look at plays over.
Thats why I’m rarely on the game threads
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 15, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point...
I usually use my DVR for the same reason that would not always work. I didn’t realize the time lag was that significant either.
I back up and then forget to move forward
that is why I am lame on the game threads.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 15, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I tune him out. I mostly listen to Jerry now.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
He was practically berating the King’s players every time they missed a shot that could have been a stat for Tyreke. I don’t recall that ever happening before.
In addition, every time Tyreke made an assist to someone, Peaches pointed out that Tyreke got another assist, at times only mentioning who made the basket as an afterthought. It does become very annoying. I am amazed that Jerry Reynolds can keep his composure working with Grant. There must be times when Jerry would like to take him out. Just think of all the times that Jerry has to hold his tongue working with him.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Good point. That shows how patient Reynolds is.Once a coach, always a coach...
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by Rhondda Nunes on Mar 15, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
What I love is the inference that Tyreke "deserves" more assists because his teammates miss shots
Implying what, that no one misses on other teams?
Now I understand where that could seem to be correct given the Kings defense before the last week or two, but it is true, on other teams players do actually miss shots occasionally costing their teammates assists.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
There isn't much difference between Grant and Fred McLeod (who does the TV PBP for the Cavs)
And it’s sickening when Grant does that.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Yes, I really hope Kings broadcasts don't go the way of Cavs broadcasts
where it is impossible to say anything, ever, that could possibly be inferred under any circumstance as critical of Lebron.
Obviously Lebron is a great player, but Cavs broadcasts are almost as sickening as Blazers broadcasts where they have 15 Lebrons.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Yep.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I think it implies that other team are better than the Kings
and miss fewer shots; therefore, if Tyreke were the PG on a better team, he would likely get more assists.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
My thoughts...
I wish he would have gotten the Triple Double. I wish PW had left him in or Omri has seen Evans behind him or heard him. I say this because I just want the whole ROY settle and not open for discussion. I think that he has it now, but there is still discussion going on amongst some who don’t follow the Kings and are watching other rookies more often.
That said, I appreciate PW’s position and perspective that he doesn’t need it and stats should not be the focus or emphasis of play.
Oh and I realized watching that game that controlled tips can suck bigtime.
I don't think it's really open for discussion.
Those who are trying to open it want to create controversy for their own personal sake.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
kenny smith was still actually selling jennings the other night
the other guy (forget who) and even noted kings-hater barkley were like um, no
kenny might be retarded
by lchristmas on Mar 15, 2010 2:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think it is open either, really
But I can see another triple double from one of the other rookies causing talk all over again. And as Ichristmas points out it hasn’t stopped altogether yet…
Well who cares
Unless it’s Curry no other rook is in the conversation. Marcus Thornton or Darren Collison have not had the season Reke has had. I understand the paranoia, but at the end of the day the people of the vote have to see Reke fall flat on his face. I think all this talk is driving him, and the team, to showcase him a bit more than they probably need to. It’s a good thing too because every player needs a reason to come out and get after it every night. Reke could sit on his laurels, but he’s not. I like that.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
PW left him in as long as it was reasonable
to try to get the triple D. But 38minutes was enough – and sitting the last 6 minutes is noticed by the media as well.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 15, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
yes. NBA TV mentioned that Tyreke was one reb short of the triple double
but that he sat the last 6 minutes
by betweentheeyes on Mar 15, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That's cool that they reported it that way.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I'm ok with it if the team is winning
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by AnotherStupidSN on Mar 15, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember Reke feeding Blair in the all-star game
trying to get him his 20-20. Kings up 30 in the 4th seems like a similar situation to me.
The only reason he was in the game at that point was to get that last rebound. I’m sure PW said something like: “You need one more rebound, you’ve got until the next time out to get it.”
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by Kfan in Korea on Mar 15, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This seems like the most plausible explanation to me.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
short and sweet
There is whale poop and then there are the Timberwolves.
by noreboundsnorings on Mar 15, 2010 10:02 AM PDT reply actions
I...don't understand
Are you saying that the Timberwolves are not made mostly of water, and possess a small volume?
by lead_pipe on Mar 15, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whale poop knowledge, FTW!
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Mar 15, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sactown Royalty
where whale poop knowledge happens
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
by Grasul on Mar 15, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
sperm whale poop
sounds confusing by the way
by betweentheeyes on Mar 15, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
this just in.....
FUCK ENRON! They CAUSED their own collapse! …one more time…FUCK ENRON!
You seem angry gus
Why don’t you direct some of that at the people who are putting up barriers to finance reform. Better idea than a pointless post here.
Or better yet
figure out some way to make financial reform something effective, rather than merely a reshuffling of the bureaucrats that are all owned by the banks anyway.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
This.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
And don't allow Texas to be ground zero for financial scandals
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
and Washington
not that you can tell the difference anymore.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
This & this.
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by Rhondda Nunes on Mar 15, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Rhondda got her original S/N back! Yay!
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Yeah, I'm pretty sure zombie Ken Lay is an StR lurker
I expect him to show up any minute and argue the other side of this.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Mar 15, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The game
Got free tickets to the game last night, in looking at the T Wolves roster apart from Jefferson of the guys who played, who many of there team would be a better player than their counterpart on the Kings. I could not think of any
Donte Greene looked great last night, seemed to make the easy play on offense, if he play half as well on a consistant basis, wouldn’t that be great,
Its hard to judge the Kings last night as Minnesota was so bad, the Kings should have more games like this!
Donte' has benefiited from watching Landry's
‘In Control’ play more than anyone so far.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 15, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm still watching JT
not convinced as yet. He looked good the other night but then, so did all the Kings except Beno, who didn’t need to.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 15, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
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