Lottery Watch
by edm7 on Mar 17, 2010 12:46 AM PDT
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Unfortunately the Kings won't be making the playoffs this year.... bummer, I know. But hey, we always have the lottery and then the draft to look forward to, right? With about 15 more games to go for most teams, it may be a good time to start looking at the race that actually matters to us: "the ping-pong ball race." Now, this post has nothing to do with tanking; it's all about being informed about the other teams we're 'competing' with for those damn balls.
After the jump, I'm listing the teams we're close to record wise and their upcoming schedule. I also hope to update this post after games to get a better picture of where we stand as the end of the season draws near.
First we have 2 teams that are pretty much set with their lottery postioning. The Nets are 7-60 and WILL finish with the league's worst record. After them we have the Minnesota Timberwolves that barring a miracle (or a GS collapse) will finish with the second worst record in the L. They are at 14-54 right now and will probably not win that many more games.
03/28 update: I'm deleting Golden State and Washington (20 and 21 wins respectively) because I don't think they're catching the Kings. The bottom four seem to be set: Jersey, Minny, GS, and Wash.
So let's look at the lottery race for the other teams and let's start with our beloved Kings
Record: 24-51
Upcoming schedule:
5 home, 2 road (strenght of schedule .503)
@ Minny
vs. Portland
vs. San Antonio
vs. Clippers
vs. Dallas
vs. Houston
@ Lakers
Prediction: 29-53 (progress FTW!)
Now, lets look at our ping-pong balls competitors
Pacers
Record: 28-47
Upcoming schedule:
5 home, 2 road (strength of schedule = .496)
vs. Miami
vs. Houston
vs. Knicks
@ Cleveland
vs. New Jersey
vs. Orlando
@ Washington
Prediction: 29-53
Record: 23-50
Upcoming schedule:
4 home, 5 road (strength of schedule = .496)
vs. Miami
vs. Phoenix
@ Atlanta
@ Philly
vs Atlanta
@ Miami
@ Charlotte
vs. Toronto
@ Minny
Prediction: 29-53
Record: 26-48
Upcoming schedule:
4 home, 4 road (strength of schedule = .491)
@ Charlotte
vs. Toronto
vs. Detroit
@ Miami
vs. Milwaukee
@ Memphis
vs. Miami
@ Orlando
Prediction: 28-54
Record: 26-47
Upcoming schedule:
3 home, 6 road (strength of schedule = .490)
@ Portland
@ Golden State
@ Clippers
vs. Boston
@ Indiana
@ Orlando
vs. Miami
vs. Washington
@ Toronto
Prediction: 28-54
and last but certainly not least
Record: 27-46
Upcoming schedule:
5 home, 4 road (strength of schedule = .504)
@ Milwaukee
@ Toronto
@ Denver
vs. Knicks
vs. Portland
@ Sacramento
vs. Golden State
vs. Dallas
vs. Lakers
Prediction: 30-52
So there it is. These are the teams we may want to follow closely and start rooting for in the coming weeks. Let's hope they win as much as possible so that 'lottery-wise' the Kings can get a better seed and hopefully a higher pick. (Let's also hope my predictions are off because that would mean a 8th-10th in the lottery). I'll try updating this as time permits. If we want to keep the post up until the end of the season let's get some rec's and move it to the top of the page.
Note: If anyone finds an error anywhere in the record or in the upcoming schedule part, please let me know so that I can adjust accordingly.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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For what it's worth
Here are Hollinger’s lotto odds, as of 3/17:
1. Nets
2. T-Wolves
3. Warriors
4. Wizards
5. 76ers
6. Pistons
7. Pacers
8. Kings
9a. Clippers
9b. Jazz
Top 4-
This is clearly a four man draft at the top. During the pre-draft process, someone is going to climb but the Kings need to land 1-4 to guarantee one of Wall, Turner, Cousins or Favors.
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I dont think it’s clear that it’s a four man draft. What about Wesley Johnson, for instance, who currently ranked 3rd on nbadraft.net? You might think that those are the top four guys, but it’s not clear that they are.
Agreed
I like Wesley Johnson more than Cousins. Possibly more than Favors. This kid is going to be very good.
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by Player To Be Named Later on Mar 24, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Him and Tyreke in the backcourt would be awesome! He has a clean stroke and hes shooting 41% from 3’s. That would be a pretty good defensive team of the future with Tyreke, Johnson, and DG, not to mention tough to match up with.
I haven't followed college basketball like so many of you do.
That may change in the future, since I have come to learn from you guys, the importance and thrill of watching these future NBA players evolve. (Looking forward to watching Kentucky versus East Tennessee State this afternoon.)
I just read Paul Gutierrez’s article this morning in the Bee covering Elston Turner, Jr. While I had heard of his name frequently, in these threads, I hadn’t made the connection to him with former assistant coach, Elston Turner. It would be ironical if the Kings picked him up, since he still “harbors a twinge of resentment” that his father was fired along with Adelman. I remember when Elston was fired and I was sorry to see him go. I question whether the Kings would pick up Turner, given this past history, but I thought the article was very interesting.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Turner's son likely will not even get drafted.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
You may be confusing Elston Turner Jr. with Evan Turner of Ohio State, who will likely be a top 5 pick
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by Kfan in Korea on Mar 18, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
remeber when the League had two Earvin Johnsons?
by betweentheeyes on Mar 18, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right, I am probably confusing the two.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
As I said, I don't follow college basketball and it shows!
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
If you havent' seen it
Draftexpress is a great site for reading up on potential college players.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 19, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
NBADraft.net is good too
Link:http://www.nbadraft.net/
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Thanks - Great link!
1. John Wall Fr.
2 Evan Turner Jr.
3Wesley Johnson Jr.
4 Indiana Derrick Favors Fr.
5 Washington DeMarcus Cousins Fr.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Actually, it was Elston Turner with the Washington Huskies, who played today.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Jr. has no plans of coming out this year.
He is waiting his turn to be the leader of the team. Don’t be surprised if he turns out to be a star player. his numbers aren’t great off the bench now. But he is fundamentally sound with a high basketball IQ. Expect to hear his name more during his junior year.
by Sactobrother on Mar 19, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Well
I think GP’s going to pick Cole Aldrich all the way up to pick 4, for some reason. He’s not going to pick one of those clear-cut, sports analyst choices. If you truly believe he would draft one of those guys you listed, if he gets the 1-4th pick, you’ll be setting yourself up for a huge disappointment on draft day.
I'm thinking we'd have to suffer some painful losing
or all those teams suddenly experience winning streaks for us to get anything lower than 6th. But I’ve resolved that we’re not getting a top 3 pick this year anyway so I’m not worrying about it. We’d have to trust the ping pong balls, and they’re assholes.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Eeek! So if we don't win the lottery then we're screwed
If we end up with the 10th pick I would’nt mind trading it for a good young player who has already been in the league a few years. Just a thought so don’t kill me over it. I’m just not sure I want another JT or Hawes. Or a DJ Augustine or Bayless. Although we could end up with a gem like Brook Lopez , Joakim Noah, Jennings, or Collison although I don’t see it now. The tourny could change that. All in all I will let GP do his job & whatever he thinks is best I will support.
Would anyone be willing to trade the 8-10th pick for Thabeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet? The Griz are set at center with Gasol & could easily get a replacement for Gay on the cheap with that pick at a lot cheaper than Thabeeeeeeeeeeet’s $4+ million rookie contract. I think Thabeeeeeeeeeet will be good. Maybe not great but he really has all the tools to be a really good center in this league. He just maybe wasn’t worthy of a top 5 pick let alone top 3. He sure would have helped last night.
I love beating dead horses.
I think I'd rather have Aldrich than Thabeet.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Thabeet started yesterday against the Bulls and Brad-Baby
Thabeet’s line: 28 minutes, 4-6 shooting, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks, 10 points.
If he can do that with any consistency, he will have a long career.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 17, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
If he can play against Brad Miller every night,
he’ll be a hall of famer.
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by section214 on Mar 17, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Not to knock on your line, but...
Thabeet’s been getting starts recently and his stats have been super efficient, provided the minutes he’s been given, the past 6 or so games.
Averaging 5 and 5 with almost 2 blocks in March
A vast improvement, though the fact that he commits a foul every 5 minutes is limiting him.
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No Thabeet.
Let the Grizz pay the price for their poor decision. If he doesn’t get his 3rd or 4th year contract picked up then I would take a low risk flier on him but he’s not currently worth anything higher than maybe a mid-twenties pick.
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Could we get Whiteside
with that 8-10 pick? I’m not certain yet, but he might be better alternative to Thabeet.
Yeah we probably could
If he comes out. I think he might stay because he could go top 3 next year.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
If he improves of course.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Will there be a draft the following year if theres a lockout?
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
Lockout won't last an entire season
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
But money will be lower
Thats why a lot more will come out than in years past. If you’re projected as a 1st rounder – you come out.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 17, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
word is that he has some real academic issues
and is having a hard time staying eligible. I would put my money on that he comes out.
And with Alrich, there is always a chance he might drop just because of people not liking him, just as Brook Lopez fell a few slots lower than most people thought.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
What has anyone seen out of any of the centers not named Cousins or Favors
that makes you think they will be any better than Thabeet? Just because he hasn’t played much this year I don’t see Whiteside or Aldrich playing over Marc Gasol. If it takes a center three years to develop in the NBA wouldn’t you rather have one that is 1 year ahead? Are any of the centers more physicly gifted than Thabeet? I think he catches way too much heat for being the #2 pick & for not getting big minutes behind one of the best young centers in the league.
I love beating dead horses.
Oh & thanks for posting this ed
I appreciate the time it takes to look into & post this stuff for our entertainment.
I love beating dead horses.
Whiteside/Thabeet
In answer to your first question, Whiteside seems to be playing quite a bit better than Thabeet as a freshman. Nbadraft.net thinks Whiteside’s upside is significantly better than they thought of Thabeet’s last year (which I dont imagine could have risen after an ineffective rookie year).
While I recognize that Thabeet is stuck behind Gasol, he has been very ineffective in the minutes he has gotten. Anyways, I think I’d rather have someone else at that 8 spot, and I’m happy to leave it to Petrie.
I saw him in a game and was impressed
He made some nice mid-range jumpers and tried pretty hard on D, good shotblocker. He was a bit weak in his post game, got shoved around a bit.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 17, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with you here
I don’t think Thabeet’s been all that bad, but he’s in an interesting situation in Memphis – a suddenly competitive team with an outside shot at the playoffs in a market where they are having attendance issues. In that situation, I can see why management would prefer to shoot for the playoffs than develop a guy like Thabeet in actual NBA games.
It made sense IMO for them to send him to the D League, where he can actually play some tangible minutes.
BTW, he’s got 6 points, 6 rebounds and 4 blocks in 16 minutes against the Rockets early in the third quarter tonight.
Am I the only one who noticed that Tom Zook gave his bank account number to an anonymous person over the phone?
Jordan Hill has looked good too.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Or looked better.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
LOL
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yes, he has
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by Kfan in Korea on Mar 18, 2010 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions
This season would be absolutely perfect if we could get to 30 wins
and luck out with the ping pong balls and get anywhere in the top 3.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
That would be a miracle.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
We're due right?
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by Aykis16 on Mar 17, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are we still due after Tyreke is the main question.. I wanna see either Bjax or Vlade pick for us this year..
Judgment day is coming!
I'd prefer GP makes our pick
he did pretty well last year.
If you’re talking about attending the lottery, then that it is different! :)
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by PhutureKings on Mar 23, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
What?????
I wanna see either Bjax or Vlade pick for us this year..
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Wouldn't be surprised if Tyreke is the guy they send.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Are you asking if life is fair?
Hell no.
If life were fair, the Kings would be NBA Champions. But, alas, that is another story.
Yeah! We are due!
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I predicted 28 before the year
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I predicted 23
the Kings can’t win another one, because I say so. I gave them 2 less home wins and two more road wins.
I have asked permission from the League to change my number from 23 though.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 17, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I predicted 30 and still hoping the Kings make it.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
they better send Webber again
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
You never know...
Supposed to be #1 last year ended up with Evans. Could be a miracle this year with the basketball gods giving us something to talk about. Regardless, I think Petrie will do the right thing with the pick.
by JuMowbray on Mar 17, 2010 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Looking back
I was livid that we somehow fell to the #4 pick. However, I can’t imagine our team with anyone else but Evans. I do think that Petrie would have taken Blake Griffin with the number 1 pick, but in any of the other slots, I still think he’d have taken Evans. Turns out we just got him on a better contract. Sometimes things just work out.
by misterbrister on Mar 17, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Just a few years back, the Blazers were in a similar position.
The 2006 draft, we had the worst record, and ended up with the fourth pick. Turned into picking possibly the best two players of that draft. The next year, we won, despite being in the seventh spot.
I see a lot of similarities. You guys got quite possibly the best player out of this draft, and look to be hovering around the same place as we were. Don’t know if lightning strikes twice, but I wouldn’t lose sleep over lottery positioning at this point. You either get lucky or you don’t. Make the best of it no matter what.
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by T Darkstar on Mar 19, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd for wisdom
Flagged for being a know it all Blazer fan.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'd ban myself, but I have no authority here.
:(
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If I cant give ya shit what can I do Dark?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
:p
Wearing the black band for Jarrett Jack, Ime Udoka, Fred Jones, Sergio Rodriguez, Channing Frye, Luke Schenscher, Shavlik Randolph, James Jones, Josh McRoberts, Steven Hill, Jarron Collins, Michael Ruffin, Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw. Sacrificed to the unmerciful god of progress.
I also recommend you for your wisdom.
Drop by anytime. Just ignore the little bear nipping at your ankles.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
When I think about Blazers draft,
I always think about trading out of the 3 spot for Martell Webster, to watch Deron Williams and Chris Paul go at 3-4.
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by Player To Be Named Later on Mar 24, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you're giving the Clippers too much credit
They’re in full on tank mode.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Getting rid of Dumbleavy is tanking?
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
depends who you put in his place
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 17, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I think thats more an example
of a coach being comortable with a 4 year contract
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
And how
Is that any different than other years?
by misterbrister on Mar 17, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't have a problem "rooting" for most of those teams
but I just can’t root for the Warriors this year. I think maybe I feel like if we suck, I at least need the Warriors to suck worse. Plus they just bug me.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Mar 17, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions
Plus, there's this.
Petrie has a history of maximizing talent wherever he drafts. The better pick you give him, the better he’ll do.
With the Warriors, no matter where they pick…they are going to screw something up.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
They Draft Pretty good
Webber, Arenas, Jamison, Murphy, Ellis, Curry…but they usually don’t keep them
Technically Jamison & Webber were traded for
Jamison by the Raps (Vince Carter was traded to the Raps), and Webber by the Magic (Penny Hardaway went to the Magic).
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't agree with your numbers, but I am glad you posted this thread.
I attempted something like this last season but it never took off (I was the only one writing and reading it)
You have the Pacers winning 7 games and the Wiz winning 4. I think a better way to organize this is to eliminate the playoff teams and just go with the match ups of the bottom feeders as that is where their wins are most likely to occur.
I also agree that many of the remaining teams are in a version of tank mode. The Nyets are a few games from clinching the bottom spot, the TWolves are at #2 (off subject rant: the Pups are worse than NJ in many ways; They had a better record last season and added the #5 and #6 lottery picks and they will win maybe 16 games this season after 24 last year. That is less than the worst record in the League in 2009. That is an embarrassment), and the Warriors are the most exciting losing team in the League but will add 2-4 games locking up the 3rd spot.
In descending order of the remainder:
LA Clippers 25 wins (14 games remaining, 4 vs. others)
New York Knicks 24 wins (15 games remaining, 4 vs. others)
Sac Kings 23 wins (15 games remaining 5 vs. others)
Philly 76ers 23 wins (15 games remaining, 3 vs. others)
Detroit Pistons 23 wins (14 remaining, 5 vs. others)
Indiana Pacers 22 wins (15 remaining, 5 vs. others)
Wash Wizards 21 wins (18 remaining, 5 vs. others)
If you figure that there is a 50% chance of each team beating the other, and give wins if they play the Nets or the TWolves and split the odd number games (1,3 or 5) to favor a home court win – it turns out like this:
Clippers – 2 more wins = 27 – 55
Kings – 3 more wins (not counting squashing the Bucks on Friday, so add one more win) 4 wins = 27 – 55
Knicks 3 more wins = 27 – 55
Detroit – 3 more wins = 26 – 56
Philly – 2 more wins = 25 – 57
Pacers – 3 more wins = 25 – 57
Wizards – 2 more wins = 23 – 59
As an aside: The Nyets and Mini may win another game or two but they do not play each other (recount the start of the season when they fought over losing streaks)
That leaves one tie breaker of two teams at 25 losses and three teams at 27 losses. This prediction makes the Kings in the running for 8th 9th or 10th. I have a feeling that the Kings will get “edges” if they do a coin flip. But that is the defeatist in me. If the Kings don’t pull a Pokey Face (sorry Lady Gaga) on Gumby Jennings then they tie for 26 wins and have a chance at 7th and 8th picks.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 17, 2010 3:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't agree with my numbers either... lol
These were some lazy predictions, I just wanted to list the schedule and added the prediction at the end. I do see that the Kings are likely to end in the 8th-10th range (good in terms of wins, bad in terms of lottery chances).
Either way, thanks for taking the time to look at the numbers a little more. Rec’d
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It was a good starting point ed, so props for getting it started.
the Kings only play 1 east team still in the lottery race and that’s IND
the Knicks play quite a few west teams
the rest of the east plays each other so I expect the east teams to average each other out.
Washington tanked at the trade deadline, so top 4 chances go to NJ, MIN, WAS, & GS.
4 of the Kings 5 possible victories are on the road. Including the last game agaisnt the Laker’s who if they’ve locked up the top spot in the west, might not want to play their starters hard before the playoffs on a meaningless game. So, if the Kings continue to play well, they could end up with 28 and 10th place as the eastern teams split with each other and average out to 26-27.
Point of Fact: since the lottery went to 1000 balls and 14 teams, no team higher than 6th worst record has gotten lucky in the lottery. The odds of the team with the 10th worst record getting a top 3 pick is 3.6%.
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Hoping for a Clippers win tonight against the Bucks
They’re on ESPN right now. Good chance to scout Milwaukee too
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And the Clippers win it
Good!!
I’m updating the post
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Some Random thoughts on this..
I would take Thabeet if given the chance for a 6-10 pick, but IMHO Memphis would not trade him, I want to use Noah as a comparison, his first year and one can argue second year he was getting labeled a bust and now we would all love to have him.
I agree that we will likely be in the 8th-10th position and chances are we will get a guy that will help us, but not take us to the playoffs. However I do believe that our current core with another year of growth and with our cap space we will see a defensive presence brought in, it may be a second tier big or a great defending perimeter guy. Either way we improve defensively and the trust of playing together gets us some growth, add a nice pick that contributes and it all adds up to 10-12 more wins and a sniff at the playoffs.
Should the balls bounce our way and we get a Favors or Cousins then I boldly proclaim that we will pick up a good guard in FA and make the playoffs, either way we have a lot of great things to look forward to!!
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Taj Gibson was the most consistent contributor from the bigs drafted this year and he was picked in the 20’s. You never know we might be able to trade down and get a good SG and Patterson or Whiteside if he falls
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Larry Sanders in the 20's would be nice if we could make it happen
It would make Maynor happy!
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by nolookpass432 on Mar 22, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
If drafting Larry Sanders means Rip Torn and Jeffrey Tambor attending the games,
I’m in.
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Quick note
If we want to keep this thread up, we need 3 more rec’s. I’ll be happy to update it at the end of everyday as long as enough people want this done.
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by edm7 on Mar 18, 2010 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think it is just me talking to myself...
There will be many more conversations and debates like this in the near future
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I'm just trying to look at positioning with this post
Who we draft will come later and is/will be discussed everywhere. I just think it’s useful to keep this up to track our and the other teams progress.
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I will gladly volunteer my comments to be rec'd
Go ahead fellas, your welcome.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Mar 18, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You got it
But this is just like the asinine trade threads, it may be useful to keep them around
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I guess I am an ignoramious when it comes to this blog stuff
So if enough items get rec’d the post will stick around in the archive?
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Hawesome!
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Ed
Another thing to perhaps possibly updated is Strength of Schedule?
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Just updated it with home/away games left
and took the strength of schedule from ESPN
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Nice
Looks like the Sixers and Pacers have the easiest schedule when you take into account Strength of Schedule and amount of home games left. By the way Kings have 6 home and 7 road, not 6 road, so I’ll fix that for you.
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Also increased the size of team name so it was a little easier to differentiate the breaks.
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Thanks!
This will look much better in about a week or so when there’s only 10 games left. Looks like Jersey, Minny, Golden State, and Washington may have their places locked up.
We’re ‘fighting’ for that 5th spot with Philly, Detroit, Indiana, Knicks, and Clips.
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Golden State might surpass Washington
actually. But yeah those 4 I think have the top 4.
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Blatche is in beast mode
and the D-League Demolition squad in a race to the finish.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 20, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Blatche has surprised a lot of people that he can put up his numbers...
…but NBA people wonder why he’s so easy mentally.
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Blatche being in beast mode
hasn’t been stopping the Wiz from losing 10 in a row.
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The Wiz went 3-1 right after the Butler/Jamison/Haywood deals
with Blatche in beast mode. They may win again or three
by betweentheeyes on Mar 20, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Then Josh Howard tore his left ACL, and Washington lost 10 in a row
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ahhh, I saw that but it went through me like roach coach chili
thanks HT, I totally missed that. Howard was such a non factor in Dallas I expected him to be insignificant for the hapless Whiz.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 21, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
11 in a row now.
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Tonights an interesting one to watch for lotto teams
We have Detroit v. Indiana, probably want Detroit to win since they have the worse record by a game.
Wash v. Charlotte, time for Washington to break that streak, and Charlotte is poor on the road but much better than the Wiz overall. Still see a ’Cats win.
New York v. Denver, Again Denver probably wins but New York could catch fire.
Clippers v. Dallas. Clippers are tanking again. I have a sick feeling in my stomach that they win the lotto again.
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If we were drafting today I think this would be my top 10
(No particular order within the tiers)
A Tier
Wall
Evans
A- Tier
DeMarcus Cousins
Derrick Favors
Wesley Johnson
B+ Tier
Cole Aldrich
Patrick Patterson
Eric Bledsoe
Hassan Whiteside
Greg Monroe
B Tier
Al-Forouq Aminu
Ekpe Udoh
Larry Sanders
Ed Davis
Solomon Alabi
Montijeunas
B- Tier
Willie Warren
Xavier Henry
Avery Bradley
Damion James
Stanley Robinson
Quincy Pondexter
Jon Vesely
James Anderson
by Smills9133 on Mar 23, 2010 1:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
nice tier-ing
we could argue here or there but I am fan of the tier system. You rank and order the levels the rank inside the tiers and adjust according to need where “equals” arrive.
i.e. Kings end up with the 8th pick: if all of A and A- are gone and you feel B+ tier is set you order according to need (and perhaps to timing: a 23 or 24 year rookie can play sooner but will develop less, a 19 or 20 yr old big man is a 3-4 year project). You decide if Whiteside > Monroe > Aldrich for example.
Thanks for sharing this Smils
by betweentheeyes on Mar 23, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem with tiering
is that everyone has different opinions on who belongs in which tiers.
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absolutely
that is why we don’t get paid to make those determinations. There are no “in bte we trust” posts.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 23, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
top 5 + upside
If you’re not in the top 5, I’m betting that GP looks for the young “upside” player like X Henry or Montinjeunas. Pretty consistent with past picks like G Wallace & H Turkoglu.
Pondexter is my sleeper pick in this draft
Probably won’t go in the lottery, but could end up being one of the better players from the draft.
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sheesh not another Huskie
I am not much impressed with Quincy.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 23, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It's cause the last Quincy left a bad taste in your mouth.
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a startling contrast in Q's
Douby v Pondexter sounds like a stoner v. a geek
by betweentheeyes on Mar 23, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
why is everyone down on ed davis?
from what i have seen i thought he was better than monroe and at least safer than cousins in that cousins is a head case
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by wallywagon11 on Mar 23, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm guessing the knee injury
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and i was unaware
this is what happens when i don’t pay attention to NCAA basketball
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by wallywagon11 on Mar 23, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd agree with your A and A- teir....
After that, the guys who intrigue me most are: Monroe, Udoh, Patterson, Whiteside, Robinson, Pondextrer, Xavier Henry, Avery Bradley and maybe Damion james.
Ed Davis seems to me like just a rotation big
He won’t be a “bust” like Patrick OBryant or Ike Diogu style. He is athletic, rebounds, plays hard D. But hes’ not a lottery player. He’s kind of guy who will end up coming off a bench foe 20 mins and hussling.
Disagree
He’s a good player on a bad team. He avg 13 pts this year, but it could have been more if he actually got the ball more. He shot 58% and avg. 9reb with almost 3 blks per game in only 27 minutes. ESPN always has a bunch of weaknesses for each playe, but all they could muster up for Ed is he needs more experience and strength. Not exactly some glaring weaknesses. He’s 6-10 with huge arms, so he can play a little center as well. I would draft him after Favors and Cousins were gone.
Tonight's games
Bobs about to beat the Whiz in OT. Pacers up 12 on Detroit with 3.45 left, and Knicks up 7 on the Nuggs with 5 left
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And the Knicks win it
and Indiana beats Detroit.
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Ed this post was a great idea
We’re going to add a widget to the sidebar to track the records.
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Thanks
It was the same idea I used last year. It’s one place where we can all get this info, instead of having to check the standings everyday. Plus, knowing the upcoming opponents gives us a better idea of where everyone’s record is going.
In the coming days I’ll probably drop the Wizards and Warriors if it’s clear there’s no way they can catch us in the standings (already looking like it but I want to give it a couple more games just in case).
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Please don't. It's bad enough we have "conspiracy" talk about the lottery, but having a widget track this shit is not a good idea Aykis. I'm sorry.
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I don't mind a thread, but I do mind a widget. Call me crazy on that 1.
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Why not?
Its not like we affect the records, just keeping track of them. The widget also shows what % each slot has to get a top 3 pick. It’s like the Reke-O-Meter, except different.
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You're a front page poster. Not I.
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And what happened to the 20-5-5 widget?
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Got a concussion and chipped percentages
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I shouldn't laugh but that's funny,.
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TZ took it down before we knew the extent of the injuries
It’ll be back up when he plays Friday.
Current marks needed if you include tomorrows missed game:
18.5 pts/3.5 rbd/1.1 ast over 10 games.
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Oh okay. That makes sense.
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Agreed
I’m rooting for this team to win, but as a consolation prize I am interested in the impact of a loss to the standings,
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section did you get my e-mail about the spammers?
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Just picked it up
I’ll defer to Ziller. I think that IP bans do kick in at some point, but most of this new traffic has come from numerous IP addresses. Other sites have the 24 hour waiting period, but they are getting hit just as much after the 24 hours is up. At this point, we need to just keep flagging them and I will get them out as soon as I see them.
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I was going to say.
The 24 hour ban wouldn’t have done much because the spammers have already accounted for that.
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I was curious about that
I saw another SBN site that added the one day waiting period to combat the spammers, but wasn’t sure how it was working. Is extending the waiting period beyond one day an option?
I’m an early bird, so I’ll keep flagging them in the mornings…
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Knicks and Pacers
with wins, good for us!
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Mar 23, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Sidebar is up as well.
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Lottery watch is up, but Tyreke 20-5-5 is gone, how fickled are we?
what’s important changes day to day.
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20-5-5 is only down because of Reke's injury Tops
It’ll be back up the moment he comes back. I’ve already updated it to reflect his missed games and currently its set for Friday, if he’s cleared to play.
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Is it going to remain up there with the records then?
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Yes.
Until he succeeds I would guess.
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That would be most awesome.
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Warriors win
so I can’t delete them yet. Unlikely they catch us at 24 Ws (they are at 20), but I’ll keep them for a couple more games. Same goes for the Wizards
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Looks like the Clipps are gonna beat the Rox
Some seperation occuring between us and some of these guys now.
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Nice!
Clippers win and time to update the records
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Without Evans
vs. Boston and Cleveland we will throw up a couple more Ls most likely, hopefully teams like Was, Ind, NYK keep winning,..
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Mar 25, 2010 10:28 PM PDT reply actions
a test of tanking
Detroit playing NJ Nets tomorrow and they don’t have an injured Tyreke. Chicago plays NJ and they may just lose after their game tonight. Not lowly, but woeful perfomance. Then Detroit plays the Bulls. I hope Detroit wins two.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 25, 2010 10:40 PM PDT reply actions
Detroit winning two would be nice.
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I honestly don't see us beating Boston, Cleveland or Indiana
Indiana is playing pretty good basketball right now and they’ll be at home. We should still beat Minnesota though, but then again, we’ve already been blown out by Minnesota this year too so its not a given.
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Idon't know with this team anymore
I think we can get two, but most likely will only get one.
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They will get one.
They have to for both Tyreke’s comeback and Coach Paul’s contract bonus.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 26, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL @ this
The team COULD lose all of it’s games.
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Not impressed
I haven’t watched a lot of Kentucky this year, but I’ve watched them a lot in the tourney. I have read a lot about Cousins and how good he is, but man he looks unathletic as hell. I bet his stock goes down when they start working out everybody. He puts up outstanding numbers, but he’s also playing with 3 other 1st rounders and he wont have the same size advantage in the pro’s, because his lack of athleticism will make him smaller. I really hope the Kings don’t draft him.
yeah i have only seen him 3 times and he worries me more than anyone else in the lottery
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by wallywagon11 on Mar 26, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree
He has the size to dominate but I don’t think he can get off the ground..
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Mar 26, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Disagree strongly
the guy has great feet. He is the anti-JT. I like him. Alot. Just worry about the attitude.
I would take this guy if available (assuming he is available at 6-8)
by betweentheeyes on Mar 26, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
for a big load that is of lessened importance
Dwight Howard excluded. The big man takes up space, not so much vertically but that is of little consequence.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 27, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
A crazy Idea..
I really want the Kings to obtain another 1st rd pick somehow and here is my crazy idea on how to do it. It is obvious that the Wizards are looking to dump Gilbert’s $17-$20 mil per season salary. A lot of people on this site feel Tyreke’s ideal backcourt mate would be someone who is a good shooter and someone who is a bit taller so the opposing team’s PG would have a tough choice to make on who to match up with. I know he makes a shit load of money, but since they are really trying hard to get rid of him I would take him ONLY if they included their 1st rd pick this year and took Noc and Beno. It would mean us taking on an extra $4mil annually over the next 3-4yrs, but it would also be a lock for us to get TWO TOP 6 PICKS (In a loaded draft) and an all-star backcourt mate with Tyreke. PURE CRAZYNESS!!
You know that Arenas is owed $80 million over the next 4 years,
right?
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If you’re the Wiz you won’t do that either.
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ya haha
I don’t know if I would do it, but I would definatly have to think about it if they included their 1st rounder.
They wouldn't.
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They should
if they can dump $80M for a draft pick they would be hecka foolish not to.
I like your craziness elSav. And second it, or at least tonight I do. Tomorrow, not so sure. It is his injury that worries me, not his “talent” nor his ’tude.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 26, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Not if it's a top 3 pick.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What if it's the 4th pick and we get Favors with it
Crazy idea but I did think about it for a good second
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this has been blogged about
it is Arenas changing his number that is worrisome. His “0” was his signature. His mantra and his mean streak. Does this change emasculate his image? Or is this Hibachi v2.0 ?
by betweentheeyes on Mar 26, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Gil says whatever the hell he feels like. It don't matter what he says.
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agree - this is just blog fodder
but what isn’t?
by betweentheeyes on Mar 26, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting point.
And I don’t know would be my answer.
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If I were the Wiz? No. If I were the Kings? Absolutely not.
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Btw
I suggest reading this post by Prada at BF. It might give you all the insight you really need into what may happen with Gil’s contract.
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heck no
I don’t want arenas. Getting another pick would be great, but I don’t see it happening, unless its a late first, early second. If we could pull off a trade and get a pick somewhere between 25-35, and get someone like sherron collins or even a eric bledsoe. That would be awesome. We need a good back up PG, and I like scoring points like BJax or even someone like Jason Terry.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
Collins..
I would rather have either guard on Kansas State (Pollin and the dominican dude) then collins
I would do it
It would be very similar to the Webber trade though. 2 top 6 picks & get rid of Noce & Beno? Why not? I think the Wiz should do it. This would be their only chance to dump Gil
I love beating dead horses.
We might have to throw in a future 1st rounder
If we did it and drafted right though, it wouldn’t be that high of a pick
I hope the Kings lose more games until the end of the season.
It’s all about a better draft pick for 2010.
by DougChristieKO on Mar 27, 2010 12:58 AM PDT reply actions
Looking at remaining schedules
the Warriors might be able to catch us I think. They play quite a few bad teams. Then again, they themselves are a bad team.
The Wiz play a few bad teams but with the way they’re playing now I could see them going 0-fer for the rest of the season.
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I think we end up with 27 wins
Not sure GS can go 7-4 the rest of the way. How many more wins does Nellie need to pass Lenny?
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by Kfan in Korea on Mar 27, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Off the top of my head
6?
Also, I see us beating Minny, Clippers and Houston and thats it. 27 sounds about right.
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Then again
we have been known to surprise a bit. We could sneak a win against a good team here as well. We could also lose to one or all the teams I just listed above.
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That's why it's so hard to predict
I think we’re on for 27-28. I don’t think the Dubs or Wiz catch us. Detroit looks like our main competitor for the 5th-6th spot. Even being 6th would give us an OK chance to jump into the top 3. I keep thinking it’s going to happen
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I have a feeling its going to happen this year
when last year I had the feeling we were going to get 4th. I don’t think we get the top pick I think we get 2 or 3. The team in slot 4, 5 or 6 always seems to get in.
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Yes, I feel the same way
Teams with the worst records always seem to drop. We’re due for some good luck
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I think there's a better chance we catch the Clips.
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No way
They still have 2 games at home vs Golden State, and one at home vs. Knicks. If the win only 1 of those, they’re already at 28 wins,and the Kings would need 4 more wins just to catch them.
I think they’re (luckily) pulling away
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it is the time of the year when record reversal is key
Winning at the end is mockingly “bad at being bad”.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 27, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
just took a gander at the standings and the scores from tonight
2 teams with 15 losses in a row and neither are the Nets. The TWolves continue to be astoundingly bad. The Wiz have some excuses. The other surprise is Detroit with 7 losses in a row. It is like Red Square on June 12 (1980) – a long row of sizable tanks.
Roddy B with the Dallas slam on the Dubs: stat line of the night – 40 points in 30 minutes with 8 boards, 3 assists, 3 blocks. Wow!
by betweentheeyes on Mar 27, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, Roddy B was pretty incredible
I guess GS likes it when rookies light them up
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that would be an interesting look back this season
rookie point guard best games and how many times it was versus the Warriors.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 27, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
at least twice
and a rec above for the Red Square reference.
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by Kfan in Korea on Mar 28, 2010 3:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I like how opposing guards routinely torch the Dubs
If I’m not mistaken, Jennings, Beaubois and Collison all had their career highs against the Warriors this year.
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Nvm
Collison’s career high was 35 v. Dallas. But Beaubois and Jennings for sure.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Clips are 3 games ahead in the win column and we play them.
We are 4 games ahead of GS in the win column. So, if we win 3 more and Clips lose the rest, we win the tie breaker. We would have to lose the rest and GS win four for them to have the tie breaker.
Schedule excluded I don’t think either is a high possibility.
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So Wiz and Dubs lose again (20 and 21 wins respectively)
Beabois went for 40 against the Warriors by the way. I guess GS really likes rookies.
Anyways, I’m thinking about deleting both Washington and Golden State from the post. Doesn’t seem likely that they’ll catch the Kings so we can concentrate a bit more on the teams that matter in this race. Looks like Jersey, Minny, GS, and Wash have the top four locked.
If anyone has any objections or would like them to stay, please let me know. If not, they’ll gone by tomorrow night.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
no objection here
GSW won’t win 4 more (sorry but your worst nightmare will come true Dub fans – DNellie back for a time) and the Whiz are piss poor and not winning another 3 or more.
Pistons without Pride. Should be a headline. Maybe andy sims can allow me to use his famed trademark attachment.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 27, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
No objection here
I doubt they catch us. In fact I think it might be just us and the Pistons dueling and they have a much easier schedule than us. We only face 2 bad teams (Indiana, who is playing great basketball right now, and Minny) and 1 team that is talented enough to be good but still is bad (Clips). The rest are good to really good teams.
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Yeah, we will end up
best: 5th
most likely 6th
worst 10th
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by Kfan in Korea on Mar 28, 2010 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions
book it
on most likely. but yeah, what Kfan said.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 28, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Right now it looks like us, the 76ers and the Knicks “battling” for the 6-8 spots. NJ, Min, GS, Was & Det or the first 5, with Ind and LAC coming in at 9-10.
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or somewhere between 6th and 10th
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You're talking about us getting lucky
The Kings. Lucky. HAHAHAHAHA
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Yea I know,
But ,If we keep on doing what we’ve always done, we’ll keep on getting what we’ve always got
I was talking about ping pong ball positioning, not post lottery draft pick postition
For example: NJ has 10 wins with 8 games to go, so even if they won all 8 we’re not going to be #1. Minny has 14 wins with 8 games to go also. We can’t be #2.
Mathematically, the best we could end up is 3rd, but I think we’ll end up with 26 or 27 wins. I don’t think it’s likely that GS, or Was win 6 or 7 of their 9-10 remaining. It is possible, though unlikely, that Detroit could win 4-5 of their remaining 9, thus our best lottery position is likely 5th.
But I think 6th is the most probable. We end up with 26-27 and Philly and NY only need to win 1-2 more and the Clips and Indy only need to win 1 more.
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by Kfan in Korea on Mar 30, 2010 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess I was just being a smart ass..
Agreed with all your points, however I still HOPE that we get a top 3 pick.. It is a lottery after all..
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The Wrath of Khan, part 2. The TWolves are a farm team for the Euro League (we pick’em, you play’em).
by betweentheeyes on Mar 28, 2010 10:18 AM PDT reply actions
Damn you tanking Clippers losing to GS
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I actually did already
But will put them back up if they win a couple more games.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Nellie's number is now 2
I hope for the Dubs sake, he gets them.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 28, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
If Larry Ellison becomes the owner bte
He’ll fire Nellie regardless.
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Most probably.
Knowing Nellie, nothing is easy. They may agree to have him hang around to get the wins and then “consult”.
If you are spending hundreds of millions of hard earned cash, the ?$6M ? he is owed is chump change relatively speaking but still $6M. Nellie is still “respected and loved” for the most part in the Bay Area. PR wise they should and could work something favorable out. It would be a boon to the franchise to have get that landmark as a Warrior coach.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 28, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
You bring up a good point.
If it was Chris Cohan i’d agree with you. But if youre Larry Ellison, wouldn’t you want to start fresh with new management and a new coach?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think there is room to do both
Ceremonial dismissal with two or three wins to go would leave an unnecessary sour taste. The team has not sold yet and finalizing a deal can take months sometimes longer.
Let’s leave it here for now:
by betweentheeyes on Mar 29, 2010 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know.
I think the pic stands all by itself bte.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I would be willing to bet that Chris Cohan and Larry Ellison are hoping that Nellie gets his W's so he can leave this season
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah it's a pretty safe bet. LOL
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This will get interesting
especially if we tie with Detroit, or the Dubs tie with the Wizards. Our odds would improve if we tied with Detroit, because we’d gain a few % and they’d lose a few.
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Don't they do some sort of elaborate rock/paper/scissors
or odd or evens (“once, twice, three – shoot”)? coin flip?
I bet David Stern comes out and says " ok, I am thinking of a number, can you guess it?" and the Kings come up short. But maybe not.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 28, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
this from collegehoopsnet.com
n the event of a tie, the combinations for the two spots in question are split evenly between the tied teams with any extra pick given to the winner of the tiebreaker. The lottery is conducted with witnesses verifying the all 14 balls are represented once as they are placed in the lottery machine. The balls are placed in the machine for 20 seconds to randomize prior to having the first ball drawn. The remaining three balls are drawn at 10 second intervals. NBA League Officials determine which team holds the winning combination and that franchise is awarded the #1 overall draft pick. The four balls are returned to the machine and the process is repeated to determine the second and third picks. In the event that a combination belongs to a team that has already won its pick (or if the 1 unassigned combination comes up), the round is repeated until a unique winner is determined. When the first three teams have been determined, the remaining picks are given out based on regular season record with the worst teams getting the highest picks. This assures each team that it can drop no more than 3 spots from its projected.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 28, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Pretty much what I thought. So if Detroit tied with us, that’d be nice for us because it would increase our odds a little bit. I honestly think its just between us and Detroit right now for the 5th or 6th spot.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Detroit with 8 losses in a row
and their remaining schedule is the toughest of the remaining teams. Depending on Toronto’s record, all the others are playoff bound.
Flippin’ Flip – will he guide them to 15 losses in a row?
by betweentheeyes on Mar 28, 2010 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know
I think they have an easier schedule than us. They get to play Miami twice, Philly once, and Minny once. There’s also Toronto as well.
We play Indiana (who again, is playing great basketball), Minny, and the Clippers. Everyone else is a good to great team.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Philly v Detroit may be a tankapalooza
Minny will have their position determined (man, they suck) and will play to win. Miami – ? they are fighting for playoff position and no one wants to play the Cavs or Orlando. Dwyane Wade will take the Pistons apart single handedly if he needs to.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 29, 2010 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes teams play up to their competition.
I think that heightened competition will benefit Orlando as they gear up for the playoffs. I think it benefits teams MORE if they have intense competition going into the playoffs.
I think that’s partly why Cleveland let down last season. It was way too easy for them come playoff team and then Orlando hit them in their mouth and they just couldn’t mentally adjust.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What happens (this is just what I think I remember)
Is that if teams tie, the number of ping pong balls they get is added up and split. So if we and Detroit tied, 88+63 = 75 balls each, then a coin flip for the team that gets the other one, who gets put in the 5th slot.
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That is what happens Aykis.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Nets avoid history
10th win over Spurs.
Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru
Wow.
Anyone else notice that the Nets have suddenly won more games?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
shocker
do they get the nod over the Whiz by the odds makers?
by betweentheeyes on Mar 29, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Good question.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Anyway we can keep this thread up for more time
It’s off my fanpost bar already. If not, I could just copy and paste it
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Question
I looked at both Kings’ and Detroit’s schedules….if the Kings lose the rest of their games and
Detroit wins 1 (last game against Twolves)….how many more extra ping pong balls could the Kings get? In short, what are the realistic, possible scenarios for the Kings to move up and get more ping pong balls in there?
by getPGwithbounce on Mar 31, 2010 9:15 PM PDT reply actions
Take this to the new lottery watch thread in the rec'd fanposts section.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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