Truth in Advertising (AKA a look at the rookies)
In last's edition of Rookie Watch on ESPN, Jemele Hill (as we found out in this week's edition) listed Golden State PG Stephen Curry as the #1 ROY candidate--ahead of Tyreke Evans. NBA.com writer Drew Packham followed suit. Since the beginning of the new year, there have been whispers that Curry was overtaking the Kings' rookie. And since the beginning of February, there have been whispers that New Orleans guard Darren Collison was having a bigger impact than Evans. And of course there's Brandon Jennings who has been talked about since his 55-point outburst on November 14 (against Curry's Warriors)
Is the race really that close? Has Evans simply been skating by on the good numbers of his first 2 months? Has he fallen off the horse? Are Curry and Collison really outplaying the Kings' rookie?
A look at the numbers after the jump.
Let's take a look at the January stats from the prominent PGs
(keep in mind that each Player is not guaranteed to be the labeled the same month-to-month. Vote for each player by the month)
So who would you take out of these 2 PGs? Player A has a better shooting percentage and more rebounds. Meanwhile Player B has fewer minutes, 1.6 points more than Player A, fewer rebounds and a better A/TO ratio.
Who do you vote as a better rookie? A or B?
Let's take a look at February.
Player C has more minutes, but also averages a full assist per game more than the other two. He also has averages more points and has the 2nd highest FG%. Yet he also has far more TOs than the other 2, sporting the worst A/TO ratio of the three despite having the high assist statistics.
Player B logged significantly fewer minutes than either of the other two players yet leads in rebounds. He is competitive with Player A for 2nd in assists, sports the best FG% and the best A/TO ratio (by a fair margin). However he has the fewest points of the bunch.
Player A seems has something that neither of the other two have--consistency. In only one category is he ranked last (FG%). He doesn't lead the pack in any statistical category, but he is 2nd among the group in every other category--averaging the envied 20/5/5 with ease (especially with the 7.3 assists per game).
So who do you think is most impressive as a rookie for the month of February? A, B or C?
Finally, let's look at the month of March--halfway through.
What do we notice here?
Player C sports a very high average on points per game with some incredible assist numbers to go along with a solid FG%. He doesn't have incredible rebound numbers, but they aren't bad and his A/TO ratio is fair.
Player B can flex his muscles over a double-double average with 11.8 APG to go along with his 16.4 points. He also has the best FG%. However, he does not have very many rebounds at all and he leads the pack with 3.8 TOs--a full 1.1 per game more than Player A. Even so, he has the best A/TO ratio to go along with the most minutes per game.
Player A shows of a very impressive all-around game with the fewest TOs, the most rebounds (2.9 per game more than the next contender) and very good assist, point and A/TO numbers. The glaring hole in his game is the 42.2% FG% which is less than stellar. Player A has logged the fewest minutes in March to this point.
Who would you say is the most dominant in this month? A? B? C?
Here are the results. I hope the players were not too transparent.
January:
Player A = Stephen Curry
Player B = Tyreke Evans
February:
Player A = Stephen Curry
Player B = Tyreke Evans
Player C = Darren Collison
March:
Player A = Tyreke Evans
Player B = Darren Collison
Player C = Stephen Curry
**Notes: I know that this is purely statistically based and it does not even have any pace-adjusted stats. I know that pace/system is a big part of the context in the argument. This also does not even mention October-December, but that is because we all know who was most dominant statistically in those months. This is what it is--a fairly two-dimensional way of looking at the statistics in order to give just some little bit of empirical point of view on the debate. A debate in which sensationalists will try to make claims that Player A has now gained the #1 spot after a 20-assist game or Player B has now gained the #1 spot due to a triple-double in which he hit seven 3-pointers.
Finally, I know that the award is called "Rookie of the YEAR". I know that this is only looking at a portion of the year. This post is simply meant to address the debate of Collison/Curry/Evans from January-March. It is also meant to address the idea that Evans is simply riding on the coattails of a hot November and the argument he is not nearly as hot as Curry/Collison are right now.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I feel like I'm always the one to bring this up, so maybe it doesn't matter as much to everyone else
but how many game winning plays does Curry have this year? What about Collison? If all other things were roughly equal (which they’re not, ‘Reke is clearly the best rookie when you look at the stats), don’t you have to give it to Tyreke since he’s shown that he not only dominates most of the time that he’s on the court, but he already performs like a seasoned vet when it matters most? Ask Gilbert Arenas who the Rookie of the Year is. Ask Kenyon Martin. Ask the Chicago Bulls. End. Of. Discussion.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Mar 17, 2010 8:20 PM PDT reply actions
Also you can ask...
…andrew bogut and the milwaukee bucks, d-williams, chauncey, d-wade, melo, nate robinson, jason kidd, kobe, ron artest, in fact just go to reke13.com and browse the site
Couple things
1 I rec’d this because I’m hoping people stop having an inferiority complex about ROTY. It’s Evans to lose, and he isn’t losing it.
2 if you’re going to talk about pace adjusted stats, you might as well include Reke in that. Stephen Curry plays in a fast paced system, but so does Tyreke Evans. It’s worth keeping in mind when you claim that Curry stats are inflated because of the pace. That might be true, but I think what really inflates Curry stats is that he’s playing heavy heavy minutes.
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Pace comment
You’re right. That was a fairly bone-headed comment. I will edit.
by nobodyinparticular on Mar 17, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Or, just update it with the note that pace adjusted should be applied to all.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Of course. DX uses them in their player profiles, but the NBA doesn't really.
it doesn’t matter because pace is tracked for each team. Pace isn’t really tracked for the Euro/NCAA teams like it is in the NBA. You’d have to subscribe to Synergy Sports (NBA teams do btw) to get that type of info. DX subscribes to it so that’s part of it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It is worth noting that Golden State's pace is much faster than anyone else's in the league.
The difference between 1st place Golden State’s pace (102.3) v. 6th place Sacramento (96.9) is 5.4. The difference between Sacramento and last place Portland (90.2) is 6.7, 29th place Detroit (91.3) is 5.6.
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Agreed. I didn't check that.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It's pretty ridiculous actually.
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A couple of Thoughts
Only a handful of rookies have averaged 20,5,and 5 and Reke has a a great chance at that. But most importantly is that none of these other players are having opposing teams defensive game plan targeted towards stopping them as opponent are doing to Reke. This fact alone and the superiority of stats, in spite of opponents scheming to stop him make rek the ROY favorite!
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Ummm, oops
March is like this:
Player A-Evans
Player B-Collison
Player C-Curry
I put that it was Evans/Curry/Collison.
by nobodyinparticular on Mar 18, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Love all these players
I’ll always love Collison for what he did at UCLA and I’m ecstatic that he is shining in the pros. He’s averaging way too many turnovers which he never did in college so I would expect to see a dramatic decrease next year. Curry is going to be a great #2 star but his skill(shooting) is the most easy to duplicate out of any of these rookies and I need to see him out of GS before he really gets my stamp of approval.
Tyreke is clearly a step above both these players and his ceiling is far higher. He will 100% get the rookie of the year. With even an average jump shot Tyreke is All-NBA. Tyreke’s game isn’t as fluid or pretty as Curry’s and he doesn’t have one stat like Assists (collison) that shine but he’s great in multiple categories and its stupid to penalize him for being vanilla (or consistent).
My personal opinion
I think Curry has played darn well of late. In January and February he was right up there with ‘Reke. In March, Evans has blown Curry out of the water. I think there could be a case made for Curry in January and February. If someone stuck a gun to my head I’d probably choose Evans in each of those months but it really is a tossup. But having two months of being neck-and-neck with Evans is not enough to make this a ROY race. Evans has out-performed everyone in all the other months. It’s not like he is fading either. As I said, he is having an INCREDIBLE month of March so far. This award should be locked up in Evans’ favor. That is not to take anything away from Curry, but Evans has just been unreal. Look, the only month where he slipped from his high standards was January, but even then, he was 20/3.5/5—hardly a poor month.
Moving forward, Curry has a bright future, but Evans seems to be destined for stardom.
by nobodyinparticular on Mar 19, 2010 1:20 AM PDT reply actions
I agree
I think it’s a big reason why Collison won rookie of the month for Feb. If it had gone to Curry, that would’ve tied it up at two months for Stephen and two for Reke. If Curry had won Jan, Feb and Mar, you have an argument. If Curry wins March and it ends up 2 to 2. There’s a discussion, but Reke’s overall numbers win out. I expect Reke to win ROM for March and end all discussions.
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