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2004-2010 Player Comparison Chart (Updated 3/5)


Hey Folks,

 

So I have been doing a lot of compiling stats lately and importing them into really useful and enjoyable to use Google Motion Charts.  As I understand it via Ben at Blazersedge you folks, Ziller included are a bit of stat heads like us up here in rain country, and thought I would pass along this chart.  It encompasses players that have compiled 15+ Poss/gm between 2004-2010, as you'll see the list of variables is pretty large. However the Default state for the chart I am linking to shows how Sac players stack up from a value stand point. The size of the player bubble represents the salary a player earned during that year, the color of the bubble represents their number of years of service.  The 2 Axis are PER rating, and Poss/gm.

Hope you all enjoy. Here is a bit of a tutorial image that I created to help you understand how to use these graphs.

 

Edit: Now includes Age, Draft Position, Years Service

 

Click through for Chart



 


Invisible Ninja

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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You are brilliant

I am stunned and amazed…!!! This should be used as a commercial or the poster use of Google apps.

by MustangMBS on Mar 2, 2010 11:15 PM PST reply actions  

TZ et al

I think this qualifies as front page material.. Just IMO

by MustangMBS on Mar 2, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

To truly appreciate this...

I would suggest that you deselect the players with check marks and then select Kevin Durant and a couple of guys that have been in the NBA a few years. Then click the Play button down on the left bottom corner. It will show you their progress over time. Pretty damn amazing.

by MustangMBS on Mar 3, 2010 6:51 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks

Guys thanks for your appreciation. Mustang, you are seeing the true capabilities of this, it can be used to look at so many things. I think I have roughly 30 variables that can be chosen for either axis, then you can also set a variable to the bubble size as well as the color of the bubble. It really allows you to visualize a lot of different things.

Follow me on Twitter @invisininjapdx

by InvisibleNinja on Mar 3, 2010 7:03 AM PST reply actions  

PS

Is there a source or manual that shows how to do this in google apps?

by MustangMBS on Mar 3, 2010 7:24 AM PST up reply actions  

This is very interesting.

I checked out Kevin Durant, which shows his meteoric rise over the past few years.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Mar 3, 2010 9:00 AM PST reply actions  

Rec'd

and I love your screen name. I wish I thought of it.

by Dub_TC on Mar 3, 2010 12:51 PM PST reply actions  

It's beautiful!

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Mar 3, 2010 1:09 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks again

You folks are too kind. I am more than happy to share, and if people have questions on how to use it, just let me know I am happy to help. You can always hit me on twitter @invisininjapdx with q’s

Follow me on Twitter @invisininjapdx

by InvisibleNinja on Mar 3, 2010 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

You in Japan? Where?

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Mar 3, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that twitter name implies he is in portland. (Pdx)

by chri5 on Mar 3, 2010 4:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Wow

Talk about bad eyes. I thought it said Invisininjainjapdx.

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Mar 3, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

He's in Portland, Japan.

Duh.

"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine

by tomroadrunner on Mar 4, 2010 6:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Lot of interesting things to learn.

I changed the size based on minutes and color on TS%.

Look at how awesome Amaré Stoudemire ws in 2007. He,Chris Paul, and Lebron were all over 27 PER, and he had fewer possessions and a higher TS%

In 2006 it is surprising how good Yao Ming was to me. Behind only Dirk and Wade in PER in fewer minutes a game.

2004 was the last year dominated by big men, Tim, KG, Amaré and Dirk.

I also like the graph feature. Taking the top 6 PER from this year and comparing them against each other, it is amazing how consistently good Tim Duncan is, even in his later years. Interesting to see bad years by Wade in 2007 to have his best the next, and Chris Paul this year, maybe next year he will bounce back in similar fashion. Bosh looks like he will continue to get better, Durant started off lower than others in PER but has had his improvement is incredible.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Mar 3, 2010 1:39 PM PST reply actions  

Fascinating

I have been really interested to view this in a lot of different ways. One thing I have looked at a lot is putting Years of service on the bottom axis and compare it to Drtg, PPP, PER etc. gives you a better sense of how different player’s growth curves are. etc…

Glad you are enjoying this.

Follow me on Twitter @invisininjapdx

by InvisibleNinja on Mar 3, 2010 1:42 PM PST reply actions  

Because

"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine

by tomroadrunner on Mar 4, 2010 7:02 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well

If you wanted to use it to see what you already know that is great. I didn’t create this for that purpose. I do appreciate your sarcasm though.

Follow me on Twitter @invisininjapdx

by InvisibleNinja on Mar 4, 2010 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh no, sorry dude. I wasn't trying to attack you. It was more self-deprication than anything. I caught some flack in the past for criticizing LeBron.

I was just being stupid. I actually really did like the chart.

No malicious intent whatsoever.

"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine

by tomroadrunner on Mar 4, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

you crazy

not only did you potentially piss off a ninja but we’re talking about a frickin INVISIBLE ninja! beware tom … beware

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Mar 4, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

And a ninja from Bedge no less.

These threats should make the threat level go to at least orange or something.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Mar 4, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You fellas are crazy

So are you guys able to draw any conclusions looking at these variables? Anything else you would like to examine?

Follow me on Twitter @invisininjapdx

by InvisibleNinja on Mar 4, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

They don't call it crazy cowpoke passion for nuthin.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Mar 5, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

My Bad

Maybe posting at BlazersEdge I have gotten cynical, so many people either love or hate stats in general, or these charts. Obviously I have invested a lot of time that I really don’t have a lot of into this, so I am probably more protective than I should be. Glad that you appreciate this… and what the hell are you thinking criticizing Lebron… J/K

Follow me on Twitter @invisininjapdx

by InvisibleNinja on Mar 4, 2010 8:49 AM PST reply actions  

Ziller dropped him on his head the first day he joined StR

"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty

by otis29 on Mar 5, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Awesome stuff.

I enjoyed putting PER on one axis and salary on the other. Kevin Durant… Wow.

by JOlives on Mar 6, 2010 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

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