Kings Links: Front Office Shake-up, NBA vs. NCAA and More
by Tom Ziller on Mar 24, 2010 11:28 AM PDT
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Print- Friend-of-StR Sam Amick has debuted a bit early at NBA FanHouse, with the most detailed explanation of the Kings' front office shake-up found anywhere. The Bee's Ailene Voisin offers her angle. She also talked to Joe Maloof late Tuesday.
- Jason Jones of The Bee reports Tyreke Evans flew with the team Tuesday, but won't play until Friday at Boston at the earliest.
- The Nets, today's Kings opponent, aren't doing so well, if you hadn't heard. Time is running out in the team's quest to not go down as the worst in NBA history.
- The Kings appear at No. 24 in SB Nation's latest Power Rankings.
- DraftExpress keeps tabs on how some mid-level NBA prospects have done in the NCAAs. SB Nation's Mike Prada looks at the top draft prospects.
- Andrew Sharp addresses NBA snobs who speak poorly of the NCAA tournament or its combatants. The comment section gets pretty crazy.
- At FanHouse, I discuss the decision of University of Virginia guard Sylven Landesberg to turn pro despite uncertain draft status. I argue he could develop in the D-League at a rate comparable to what he's done at UVA.
- ESPN's Daily Dime talks to David Lee about his contract future.
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Tonight's game vs. The Nets
I consider tonights game one of the most important games remaining this season. The Nets are running our of time to get wins, and they have a tough schedule from here on out. From their perspective, tonight is one of their best chances to get a win. I for one, DO NOT want to lose to (potentially) the worst team in history. I am really hoping the guys come out fired up and dont let this game get close.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Mar 24, 2010 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good point
Personally, it seems like the team has done a good job of coming out with a passion and drive to win most of the games this season. There have been a few lackluster efforts along the way, but those are to be expected.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
I don't think this will be a lackluster game
Coming off the loss to Memphis at home, and no Tyreke tonight. I expect PW to have the team focused on this game and the task at hand. Wabeno should have another huge night. Need a good game from Casspi or Greene though to help.
I personally don't care as long as the Kings play hard.
If the Nets get hot or whatever or play their best game of the season, them winning is not an anomaly in that scenario. The Kings shouldn’t lose this game if they have Tyreke.
On the other hand, the Bobcats are a 500 team and have lost to the Nets twice. Surely they aren’t all that awful are they?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Counterpoint
I could care less about the Bobcats. I care about the Kings. I do not want the team to lose to a team that is worse than them ever. I especially don’t want to lose to the team that could potentially have the worst record ever.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Didn't say I wanted it. I don't want the Kings to lose. Said it doesn't bother me if the Kings give all the effort they got.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If they give all the effort they have
They shouldn’t lose to the Nets. So a loss would still bother me.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Okay a loss will bother you. Not me.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
A loss will bother you
Because of all the stupid comments we’re going to get from people acting like its doomsday since we lost to the Nets, and then Peaches reaction, and the media overkill, etc.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I'm one of "Those People".
Just lose baby. This team has nothing else to prove in my book.
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I can't do it
I won’t be depressed cause of a loss, but I’m rooting for this team to win every night.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
But doesn't winning mean losing?
I’m rooting for this team to be better for the next decade not the next 11 games. I trust in Petrie but there is no reason not to give him every advantage and by that I mean the most amount of ping pong balls possible and if that doesn’t work out then the highest pick possible. Damn me if you will but that is just how I see this situation.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
You also want to see improvement
I don’t care if we’ve won more games this year. Losing to the Nets will take away 8 wins or whatever we are over now.
I love beating dead horses.
I like the idea of finishing the season strong and that carrying over to the next season
We’ll have a lottery pick no matter what. However, the Kings’ draft position probably won’t change too much unless they win or lose every game.
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There is a big difference between finishing with the 4th worst record or the 10th worst record.
The Kings are right in the middle of a huge pack of teams and can finish anywhere from 2 to 10. I just don’t see how a few momentum going into the summer games helps this team when more than a couple of these guys might not be back next season. I’m not saying give it up but I do want to see Donte, Omri, MrGuire, Dorsey, Brockman when healthy and not Udoka, Noc or May which should take care of the issue at hand. I’m also not opposed to a 10 day NBDL contract to a PG with upside to fill in while Reke is out.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
I think the best "worst" record the Kings could finish with is 4th. And that's very very unlikely.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Thing is
The Kings aren’t the 4th worst team IMO. They are more likely in the 6-8 range, and their draft position’s probably going to show that accordingly.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Doesn't mean a thing. The lottery does it's job. If you get lucky you get lucky. If you don't you don't.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
In theory
Since this team wasn’t making the playoffs this season, wouldn’t you have started the year rooting for them to go 0-82?
How is that fandom?
I just don’t get the concept of getting even younger at this point, I really don’t. The other young teams in the league are way ahead of us in development, so let’s win some games, take our top-10 pick in the draft and our cap space and let Petrie do his thing.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
What do you mean you don't get the concept of getting even younger at this point?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
No it won't. I plan on ignoring them. I have a noose all lined up in the eventual possibility.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Any team can beat any other team any given game
I have to agree with both points. Any loss bothers me, but at the same time any team can win a game. Even the Nets can come out and compete and losing to them could happen. They are at home and we are without Tyreke. That makes a difference.
Sure there is the Bobcats, but they also beat the Celtics. The Celtics lost and they aren’t a crappy team. Bad teams win games and there is no shame in losing if the Kings tried hard and played to win.
Yeah good point about the C's MBS. Forgot about that.
Shit happens any given night. As long as the Kings play hard I can live with a loss. The Nets are bound to be 500 for a 6 or 8 game stretch.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Who enjoys it?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I guess the guys who want a higher draft pick.. I don't get cheering for a loss though.
Can’t bring myself to do that.
Can't do that either.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
When I want a higher draft pick
I just cheer for the teams that are similar records of us to win as well.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I try to not think about it. Let the chips fall where they may.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Mmm chips
Yeah I’m hungry. Time for some lunch. See y’all back here for the game.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
If the Kings play hard they should win
If they don’t I believe that is a setback. Playing down to competition was a fact of life last year. Competing every night has been a major sign of improvement this year. Don’t set us back.
I love beating dead horses.
The Kings need to play
like their collective hair is on fire. For 2 reasons. 1). New Jersey is the worst team in the league. 2). It’s the first game of our road trip. We need to get off on the correct foot and that means a win.
Purveyor of Bull Plop
Is Gallinari really a keeper?
I don’t mean is he good enough to be a keeper because he is playing very well. I mean if I’m the Cavs I say “ok if Lebron wants to be a Knick that bad we want Gallinari in a sign & trade.” With Gallinari atleast the Cavs still make the playoffs in the east. I wouldn’t give up the best player in the game for nothing.
I love beating dead horses.
Without Gallinari
What else is there to entice LeBron to go to New York? I understand New York can sign another max free agent. But if NY trades Gallinari, they’ll have LeBron, a 2nd max free agent (hopefully), and nobody else. I don’t see it happening.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Do what Toney Douglas Do.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Couldn't New York technically
sign 2 max free agents, then re-up David Lee since they have his Bird Rights? I personally think Lee is worth more than Amar’e.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Nope. Lee's cap hold will get in the way of their cap space.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Gotcha
So they’re going to rescind his bird rights then.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
How does cap hold work exactly?
and how would it prevent them from getting two max guys and re-signing Lee?
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It's like money that eats into cap space.
You’d have Curry, Galinari, Douglas and Chandler on the cap because they have contracts. But you would have also Lee’s cap hold (T-Mac’s too, but we all know he’s going to get renounced anyway), to factor in the situation, and it would be something like 17 million dollars. (Rough guestimate. I’m too lazy to look at Coon’s FAQ and figure the exact number.) With 33 million in cap room, you’re talking about 1 max free agent to sign until you sign Lee and remove his cap hold.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
So Gallinari will be Lebron's back-up?
Isn’t he a small forward? Couldn’t they sign Lebron & Joe Johnson? That would take up both wing spots. Then sign Lee because of his bird rights or whatever?
I love beating dead horses.
Stop with the Lee scenarios.
The Knicks can’t use their bird rights to sign Lee if they sign 2 Max Free Agents. It isn’t possible because of cap holds.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
But you said with Lee's cap hold they'd have $33 million in room
Couldn’t they sign LeBron starting at $17 mil per year and get JJ for about $15 mil per year and still resign Lee?
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No I didn't. Read what I wrote again.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'll make this easy for everyone to understand
Douglas, Chandler, Curry and Gallinari make just under 17.8 million combined (most of that is Curry’s fat ass). David Lee makes 7 million this season and you have to factor in his cap hold (if you want to keep his bird rights) which is 300% of his salary this season.
The Knicks salary, until they renounce Lee, would effectively be about 38.7 million in terms of cap room come summertime assuming they renounce everyone else on the current roster come July.
Make sense now?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And that would be 38.7 million of committed cap space with a projected 53.7 salary cap for next season.
That would mean the Knicks only have 15 million in cap room if they don’t renounce Lee. Hopefully this makes sense. I never want to have this conversation ever again for any reason.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
(chuckling an obtuse evil laugh while sharpening machete) Sure!
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Nice!
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
There is more to this story.
If you take the 4 knicks you already mentioned that are under contract for next year, you also have to add cap holds. First up, the Knicks have their own players caps- Lee, Duhon, T-Mac /every other player on their roster. If the Knicks wipe those clean by renouncing their rights, they have 17.8 + 8 cap holds for the veterans minimum ($450,000ish) which must also be considered. In effect, the Knicks already have 21.4 (give or take a few 100Ks) already committed to next season before they enter free agency. If the cap drops to 54 million, then they are down to roughly 32.6 million in available cap space, which is not enough for two max money players. For every Super Star they sign, that does two things, eats up space and, it releases one of those $450,000 cap holds. To complicate or clarify this issue, the Knicks do not have a mid-level exception or any other exemption because they are under the cap so in order to sign 2 SS players, they have to renounce Lee and all other players that have bird rights as well as all exemptions. So we won’t see this- LaBron @ 17 mill + Bosh @ 17 mill + Lee @ 6 mill MLE + T-mac @ 1.7 Excemption + 4 other veteran minimum players.
C-Webb was on Colin Cowherd’s ESPN show either yesterday or today (the days run together when you got no where to be) and he said that if LaBron goes to NY, it will be as a Net in his opinion because of Lopez, Harris and Jay-Z, not the Knicks because they just can’t put a team around him any time soon. I like his thinking on this and I believe that it will be more likely that the Knicks strike out with LaBron, Wade, Bosh and turn to Amare or Joe Johnson, resign Lee and add another mid-level guy to make this thing work.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
I know that the other FA's are going to have cap holds too JJ.
I ignored them to make the story simple. I didn’t want to confuse the real issue which is (and will be) David Lee.
But you are absolutely correct.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I know Pookey-
but he 8 cap holds that automatically eat up the cap space is what I thought was really important. It’s one thing to sign two big time players but the Knicks are going to have to do that as well as fit 6-8 other players under their cap where the Kings have plenty of cap space plus a top 10 pick and 10-11 players under contract and the Nets are in a similar situation. The Knicks are in pretty deep to this whole two super star bullshit they have spun to their fan base.
I have a really hard time believing that the Kings won’t be major players in this whole free agency period if they really want to be. The current talent is just so close to being really good and adding a top tier pick has to be enticing to a player that wants to win now and for the next 5-6 years.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
I don't think Chris Bosh is coming here.
Believe that if you want though.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I agree but a dude can dream-
Rememer, this is my perfect off-season-
Draft with the #2 pick Evan Turner.
Sign Chris Bosh.
Evans
Turner
Casspi
Bosh
Thompson
Bench:
Udrih
Garcia
Noc/Donte
Landry
Hawes
Brockman
Kings win 50+.
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If this happens, I will buy us these shirts and fly you down next season for the Peachthrill.
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Maybe someone can fit Grants head in between the fingers.
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Let's try this again.
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The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
I've been saying LeBron should go the Nets
if he leaves that is. I still think he stays in Cleveland.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Yep. The Nets are the team I think he will leave for if he leaves anywhere.
LeBron, despite what people say about him being God & all, likes being the center of the universe. He likes that’s he’s the only All-Star despite how he publicly lobbies for guys to be on the All-Stars and what not.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think we are all in agreement here.
LaBron to NJ makes way too much sense. New stadium, promising young big and quality point guard. I personally think he is an idiot if he stays in Cleavland. They are getting older and the role players they have are only complimentary to him, not stand alone talent. Boobie, DeLonte, Moe Williams, Anderson Verajo ect. make for a quality group if the King is running the show but let’s be honest here, the reason the Lakers are the team to beat is because if Kobe goes down or has a bad few games, he has a group of all-stars to pick him up and continue the winning where Labron has a group of chowder heads. Think Bulls circa Jordan first retirement but without the services of Scottie Pippen- not a pretty sight at all.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Lakers aren't winning without Kobe or Pau.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe not a championship but close.
The Lakers would still be a 55+ win team without Kobe. Bynum, Odom, Gasol, Artest- not cool.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
I believe you
Shannon Brown is no Kobe but he is decent & Artest can start scoring like he was when he was on the Kings. They would still make the top 4 in the west
I love beating dead horses.
I'd be shocked if the Lakers win 50 games with that lineup.
But, perhaps you’re right.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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