Analyzing Free Agency Options in Regards to the Kings
by Aykis16 on Mar 25, 2010 1:57 PM PDT
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PrintTom linked to it earlier today, but Kevin Pelton over at Basketball Prostpectus had a great article on the options for a team that wasn't able to land one of LeBron, Wade or Bosh this season. I know that as much as we as fans love to think about the possibility of one of those three possibly wearing a Sacramento Kings uniform next season, the rational part of us tells us that its very, very unlikely that we manage to sign one of them. So then, what are our other options?
According to Pelton:
Option 1: Signing Cheaper Free Agents
Option 2: Trade Using Cap Space
Option 3: Patience
Option 1: Signing Cheaper Free-Agents
Now there are a few tiers of free agents that could be available this summer. The first tier is obviously LeBron/Wade/Bosh. Now this is a little subjective, but here are my next 3 tiers:
Tier 2: Joe Johnson (UFA), Amar'e Stoudemire (UFA), Manu Ginobili (UFA), David Lee (UFA), Rudy Gay (RFA), Carlos Boozer (UFA). Additionally, Nowitzki and Paul Pierce can become UFA if they exercise their Early Termination Clauses, but we will ignore them for now, because they likely won't.
Tier 3: Tyrus Thomas (RFA), Nate Robinson (UFA), Raymond Felton (UFA), Ronnie Brewer (RFA), Ray Allen (UFA), Brendan Haywood (UFA), Will Bynum (RFA), Anthony Morrow (RFA), Kyle Lowry (RFA), Luis Scola (RFA), Drew Gooden (UFA), Jermaine O'Neal (UFA), Luke Ridnour (UFA), Al Harrington (UFA), J.J. Reddick (RFA), Marcus Camby (UFA), Roger Mason (UFA), Randy Foye (RFA), Josh Howard (UFA), Mike Miller (UFA)
Tier 4: Everyone else
Now if you look at Tier 2 (the best players available) a young team like the Kings probably doesn't want to sign Manu, who will be 33 next season. Joe Johnson could fulfill the extra scorer the Kings need, but he seems to be on the downside of his career. David Lee is intriguing because of his ability to score, pass and rebound, although his defense isn't anything special. Amar'e can score with the best, isn't the greatest rebounder, and rarely plays defense. He also has a bad injury history. Boozer has been playing phenomenal as of late, is an excellent rebounder and scorer, as well as a better defender than Amar'e or Lee, but he likely doesn't want to join a young team like the Kings. Rudy Gay is intriguing because of his athleticism and potential, and because he's still young (24 next year), but a team would likely have to overpay to get him, as he's a RFA.
Tier 3 is where it gets a bit more interesting. This tier has some young players with potential (Tyrus Thomas, Ronnie Brewer, Anthony Morrow), as well as veterans who have done well in this league (Luis Scola, Brendan Haywood, Josh Howard). The Kings biggest needs at the moment are defense, rebounding, and another guard that can handle the ball. The draft could solve one or two of these problems, but it can't solve all. Luke Ridnour is an intriguing option to me as a 3rd guard, as he can shoot the ball very well and get his teammates involved while taking care of the ball. I've explained what I like about Tyrus Thomas before so I won't repeat myself on that front. Morrow is probably the best shooter in the league, although he needs to work on creating his own shot and playing defense. As for the veterans, most would likely want to sign with better teams, closer to or already contending, but if any were able to be swayed to join the Kings, I would go after Brendan Haywood, who would provide a presence in the middle and give us consistency where we need it most. Other options like Kyle Lowry and Luis Scola could be good fits for Sacramento, but their restricted status complicates things.
Option 2: Trade using Cap Space
Memphis was a prime example of this strategy last year, grabbing Zach Randolph and his huge contract, and it has worked out very well for them. Okhlahoma City uses this strategy to a smaller extent, preferring to stay away from big contracts like Randolph unless they're expiring, and nabbing young players as a reward for helping other teams avoid the luxury tax (Eric Maynor).
The Kings have plenty of space to do both, so let's take a look at teams with big contracts that might want to shed them for relief:
Charlotte Bobcats: Tyson Chandler ($12.6 million left, expires next year)
Chicago Bulls: Luol Deng ($51.4 million left, expires after 2013/14)
Detroit Pistons: Rip Hamilton ($37.5 million left, but last year of 2012/13 unguaranteed), Tayshaun Prince ($11.2 million left, expires next year)
Golden State Warriors: Monta Ellis ($44 million left, expires after 2013/14), Andris Biedrins ($36 million left, expires after 2013/14), Corey Maggete ($21.8 million left, expires after 2012/13)
Indiana Pacers: Troy Murphy ($12 million left, expires next year), Mike Dunleavy ($10.6 million left, expires next year)
Los Angeles Clippers: Donald Sterling would trade anyone for anyone for less money. Sort of joking, but not really.
Milwaukee Bucks: Michael Redd ($18.3 million left, expires next year)
New Orleans Hornets: Peja Stojakovic ($14.3 million left, expires next year), James Posey ($13.5 million left, expires 2011/12), Emeka Okafor ($53.1 million left, expires after 2013/14)
New York Knicks: Eddy Curry ($11.3 million left, expires next year),
Orlando Magic: Rashard Lewis ($63.4 million left, but last year of 2012/13 unguaranteed), Vince Carter ($36.4 million left, but last year of 2011/12 unguaranteed), Marcin Gortat ($28.1 million left, expires after 2013/14)
Philadelphia 76ers: Elton Brand ($51.2 million left, expires after 2012/13), Andre Iguodala ($56.4 million left, expires after 2013/14), Samuel Dalembert ($12.9 million left, expires next year)
Phoenix Suns: Jason Richardson ($14.4 million left, expires next year), Leandro Barbosa ($14.7million left, expires after 2011/12)
San Antonio Spurs: Richard Jefferson ($15.2 million left, expires next year)
Toronto Raptors: Hedo Turkoglu ($43.8 million left, expires after 2013/14), Jose Calderon ($29.4 million, expires after 2012/13)
Utah Jazz: Andrei Kirilenko ($17.8 million left, expires after next year)
Washington Wizards: Gilbert Arenas ($80.1 million left, expires after 2013/14)
Now the one thing to remember when you want to focus on taking back big contracts is the new CBA that will likely come into effect after next year. So big contracts that last a bit longer than that, you should probably stay away from. The biggest stay-the-hell-away-from contracts are Gilbert Arenas, Elton Brand, and Hedo Turkoglu. My personal opinion as to which players the Kings might trade for are Andrei Kirilenko (who the Jazz might try to trade in order to re-sign Boozer), Marcin Gortat (a likely starter on most teams with a reasonable contract), and Samuel Dalembert (elite rebounder and defender).
It also could be worth it to see about taking a big contract like Michael Redd's and seeing if you could get a young player or picks in return. The Kings obviously might not think thats worth 18 million dollars, but we'll see.
Option 3: Patience
Pelton's 3rd option is to be patient and roll over your cap space for 2011. The Kings could afford to do this because they're so young and have so many guys on rookie contracts. This is what the Thunder have been doing for the last couple years.
Some of the names in 2011 include Al Horford (RFA), Paul Pierce (UFA), Joakim Noah (RFA), Caron Butler (UFA), Carmelo Anthony (if he doesn't sign extension and exercises his ETO), Aaron Brooks (RFA), Shane Battier (UFA), Mike Conley (RFA), Marc Gasol (RFA), Zach Randolph (UFA), Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (RFA), Marcus Thornton (RFA), Wilson Chandler (RFA), Kevin Durant (RFA), Jeff Green (RFA), Thaddeus Young (RFA), Greg Oden (RFA), Tony Parker (UFA), and the players I mentioned above as expiring next year.
So the Kings have a lot of options when it comes to this free agency, and the final decision on what they do will be critical for this Franchise's future.
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I missed the part where you illustrated how we can acquire Dwight Howard
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Eat some shrooms
Might help.
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by Aykis16 on Mar 25, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I did that once,
and the Kings acquired a bunch of balloon people and talking forest animals. the chemistry on the team was amazing.
Tyrefic! Hawesome! Casstastic!
How so? Explain the "lost years"
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Helped!
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Mar 25, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Patience may not be too bad
Although it’s hard to imagine us getting Gasol, Horford, or Noah… the type of guys we need.
Honestly, I’d be willing to trade Spencer and JT in sign and trade deals that land us David Lee and Tyrus Thomas.
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Meh, Noah.
He’s big and active, which is great, but I don’t think he’ll ever have the skills that M Gasol and Horford will have.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
I like him for his defense only
Which is what we need. Horford and Gasol offer more overall, obviously. But I’d love to pick up Noah
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I don't know what the problem with him is
As long as you don’t overpay and then pair him with a reasonable scoring big – he’s just dandy.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 25, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Noah “tops” out at Varejao? He is already better. Noah is averaging 10.5 pts and 11.1 rb and 1.5 blks in 30 min/game. Varejao is 8.7 pts, 7.9 reb, and .9 blks in 29 mins. I would take Noah every day of the week, and start him.
Varajao plays with
Shaq, Big Z, Lebron and Hickson and still manages to get 8 boards. Noah plays with Taj, and the rebounding machine B Miller, of course his averages are slightly better.
by elSAVinator on Mar 25, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He IS a great defender. All-NBA quality. for real. watch 1 cavs game and u'll see it.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Felton
Since I like Beno coming off the bench, I think Felton would be a great guy to start along side Tyreke. He’s still pretty young but has experience. I doubt we get a top two pick (Turner or Wall) so we’ll probably go big, since the draft is loaded with pf/c.
I definitely think the ’11 FA class is more intriguing for the Kings than the ’10 class as well.
And what about revisiting a trade for Jefferson this summer??
Richard or Al?
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Al for sure
we definitely don’t need Richard
Do not want
He’s slow and doesn’t play defense.
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I'm a big felton fan and like that idea.
He already plays a lot of combo guard with the ball in jacksons hands so much, and even Diaw being the initiator on offense. Plus, I love his defense; very fundamental, active, and consistent.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Felton is a far far far better defender
And its’ all dependent on whether you want beno off the bench or starting. i prefer off the bench
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
I feel ya
But he’s a better all around player than any big guy we have
Trade JT and lottery pick to swap out for a higher pick for Favors.
Come on, Petrie.
Favors is nice
There’s a good chance the Kings wind up in a spot to take him anyway. Can’t wait to see the ping pong balls drop
Keep him
I doubt the rookie we draft will be ready to start right away. Bigs typically don’t develop as fast. Landry is a solid player, but will never be an all-star, due to his not so great rebounding skills. Just like in Houston, Landry would make a great 6th man. But I still see him starting next year even if we land a nice big.
If we can't get Favors, Wall, or Turner
I really like Wesley Johnson, that would be a great backcourt. I like having two big guards, because it makes the other teams PG guard Tyreke.
I agree whole heartedly
But I’m liking Aminu if he actually is Gerald Wallace 2.0.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
I like him as well
This is why all I asked for my BDay is two lottery picks. So many good prospects in the draft.
Troy Murphy.
That is all.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm with you.
Kaman, too. Maybe the “white and goofy-looking” factor sours some people, but these goofy-looking bastards can bang and play.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Kaman always throws me off because he looks so much older than he really is
Male pattern baldness sucks
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I say we swap bigs with the Clippers bigs: Kaman, Jordan, & Griffin.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Your Murphy Love suprises me
I worry about lack of defense..Rebounding is good scoring is good, but we need defense
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
Lots of things should worry you about me.
Like I’m a leper from Pakistan for instance.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I like Troy Murphy as well
he can fit in on any team with his skill set.
by MichaelMack on Mar 25, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
You have also the added bonus of Murphy only having 1 year left on his contract. That’s the major reason I prefer Murphy over Lee. I’m not sure offering Lee a big contract for multiple years is something the Kings should really consider.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Why I say no to Murphy.
The dude doesn’t play defense and he can’t score in the post. I love his rebounding but there are more well rounder players in the same price range like Dalmbert and Chandler if you want an expensive shot term fix. I just keep coming back to this question- Is David Lee better than anything the Kings can put on the floor for the next 5 years? Without looking into a crystal ball for draft picks then the answer is yes- he is better than Hawes, Thompson or Landry so why not sign him, improve the team and then deal one of the other guys because they all have value to varying degrees.
We aren’t talking about small scale improvements here, we are talking about an all-star power forward who averages 20 and 11- an elite rebounder.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Dalembert & Chandler well rounded? Are you serious?
No. They are not well rounded.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Misquoting basterd.
but there are more well rounder players in the same price range like Dalmbert and Chandler
And that more means, defenders and shot blockers. Murphy is a great rebounder and a quality jump shooter but he just doesn’t bring abything else to the conversation. Lee bring rebounding, interior and perimeter scoring and passing.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
I am totally with you on this one jj
we are linked at the end of this year. The logical hope that the Kings get into the top #6 draft lottery chances and that the frontcourt needs big help.
David Lee is realistic. He is getting better. And pair him with a legit power forward Center (or not, Landry would be fine) and the Kings get instantly better. Maybe a bit weak defensively, but with rebounding at that level – not much. I would rather have him than a rental year of “probably not as good” like Dalembert or Murphy.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 25, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
What's so appealing about offering Lee 5 years and 50 million (or whatever) to have him around for that time?
As opposed to a short term rental?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think he is a legit talent, starting frontcourt player
and something the Kings lack. They may have that talent develop in JT and Hawes but it sure doesn’t look like it as this season draws to a close.
It may be premature but eventually the Kings will have to have talent that produces consistently at a level greater than what they have now. Tyreke will need it as well – as he gets better he will have to do more and can’t be expected to carry the team every night a là Dwyane Wade – it just won’t work (not in the West Conf). I also believe the Kings have enough talent in development, with more to come this summer and next, that they need to bring the young guys along with a better team. They can’t learn to win if they don’t have the tools.
Is David Lee the answer? not specifically but of what is available he is a reasonable start. I also would be surprised if he ends up a King, but that is besides the point.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 25, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
somewhere is the delicate balance between waiting
for the team to mature and adding talent through trades and FAs. Not too soon – with guys > 30 or banged up or on their career downside – and not too late because it will sour the mix and the mediocrity will be tiresome.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 25, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree he's better than anything the Kings have (referring to Lee)
What I don’t agree with is that he’s the wisest choice for building around long term. He’s a core player in most situations, but I don’t agree that he’s the guy. But I’m not the biggest David Lee fan around.
I’m still praying for the pick to take Favors anyway. So, maybe that’s part of it too.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I have mixed feelings about Lee but I like that he has shown significant improvement this season
He has added a reliable mid range jumper. His defense, specifically his only average lateral movement and his poor shot blocking make him a “tweener” in the frontcourt. Is he a power forward or a center? I would love to see him with Favors to help to cover his inadequacies. If the Kings keep Top Hat Carl they have scoring covered. If Favors is a superb defender than maybe you play a big line up with all three.
My worry with Favors is that he is going to look like JT Jr at first – fouling much to much and lacking low post game. But that is any defensive big for the first year or two.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 25, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand your concerns about Favors.
But the fact is that few have his talent. And to me the DeMarcus Cousins-Derrick Favors is completely moot. I wouldn’t ever consider Cousins at this point.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
they both tease they just do it differently
Cousins has size, power, soft hands and passion. He also has poor control of his behavior and acts as immaturely as his age. There is no doubt he has the body of an NBA Center. He has questions about his head.
Favors has athleticism length, desire and a steady head. He has a very immature game mostly on the offensive end where his lack of a low post game (and no mid range game) are glaring. He too is a project. He has questions about his skill.
Either would be an upgrade. I have the hope that Cousins will mature and figure it out before he becomes Derrick/Eddy Coleman/Curry. Favors will take years to build a game – he too is very young. I don’t know – I am babbling at this point.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 25, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
If we're not drafting in the 3-5 range
All the Cousins/Favors talk is essentially moot.
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depressingly true
but it is more fun than talking about today. This current Kings team has us looking towards tomorrow.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 25, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Unlike last year
when all we talked about was Kenny Natt, Ike Diogu, and Will So….. nevermind
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I still have hope we'll jump in the top 3
If not, I can see Wes Johnson and/or Aminou jumping ahead during the workouts and dropping Favors/Cousins a couple spots.
Just trying to be unrealistically postive… what else is new?
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
The two important dates: May 18th and June 24th
The draft lottery and the NBA Draft.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 25, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
May 18th is fairly close
Quick two months hopefully
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
and I still want either Aykis or Jon Brockman
or Both to go to Seacaucus.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 25, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
How much would you pay to see Aykis feeding Nessie pancakes?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Let's DO THIS THING
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I agree with our Pakastani Leper of Murphy over Ler
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
wow i thought i was the only person on the troy murphy bandwagon
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Mar 26, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
not where i can look it up
But doesn’t landry expire after next year? If we wait a year to use the money, we lose a big chunk of it resigning him.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Mar 25, 2010 2:58 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Not necessarily. How much of a raise over 3 million do you expect Carl to get?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
at least double
if Cisco and Beno are making around $6 mil, Landry should get around $8. Someone will pay him that.
Perhaps. But perhaps not.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
depends on the next CBA
and what the top players get paid because that will affect what everyone else makes. It will be interesting to see how much of a cut players will be forced to take.
Correct!
we have no idea what the salary scale is going to look like when the next CBA is finally ratified. From what I’ve read salaries will be going down probably fairly significantly. All our kids are going to be RFA’s in an entirely different economic climate than the one they were drafted into.
Landry is going to be in an interesting situation. I’m not positive but I think it’s possible that he will be up for a new contract before the next CBA takes effect or has been fully negotiated. How much do you sign him for if you don’t know what the new salary scale is? If the CBA wasn’t an issue, say he was signing this summer, I’m guessing some team would sign him for around something like 5 years $35-40 mil.
Generally I would say go with the patience option. Tyreke has scheduled a full summer of conditioning and is going to be working with a track coach, a boxing coach and a shot coach. I haven’t read anything about what Spencer, JT, Donté etc. have scheduled for the off season but I think Tyreke is committed to getting stronger and better in the off season. The only reason I would look to make an acquisition is I don’t want to see ‘Reke get frustrated by the teams over reliance on internal development and have him perceive that the FO isn’t doing all it can to make the team around him better.
I would love to see us sign Tyrus Thomas or Brendan Haywood. Most of the RFA’s will probably resign with their current teams or will have to be overpaid. I agree with your point about not signing any vets with long term dollars which rules out Okafor. We have such a young team and still need another year to evaluate how valuable Spencer, JT and Donté are going to be to the Kings that it doesn’t make much sense to bring in an older vet yet if we’re not ready to take it to the next level which I guess would be going from really bad to almost mediocre.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
how much do you see lee getting?
If landry gets less than 75 persent of that I would be shocked
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Mar 25, 2010 3:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
$8-10 mil
Lee seems currently underpaid (one year deal at $7 mil), but that is in this high contract landscape the NBA is in now. Who knows what kind of pay cut these guys will have to take after the cba. I’d be shocked if Lee didn’t get $8-10.
Lee is more than %25 better than Landry imo
Power forwards who average 21 & 12 are rare. 16 & 5? Not so much.
I love beating dead horses.
Agree
But I believe what separates them is Lee’s rebounding. Put Landry on the Knicks, with Lee’s minutes, and he’ll put up 20 ppg. 10 rebounds? Not so sure he could replicate that.
Rebounding for one of our big men is huge
Landry & Spencer will not work on a good team. This FO needs to decide which one will be replaced.
I love beating dead horses.
Agree
Ideally, you have a 3 big man rotation. You can’t do that with Landry and Spencer on the floor together for significant minutes since neither can rebound.
No-
Landry just isn’t a good rebounder. Even when he focuses on it he might be able to pull 7.5 or so. Lee is one of the best rebounders in the league, regardless of where he plays. Is Lee a 20 point scorer on a really good team? Probably not, but a solid 17-18 with 12-13 rebounds. I would like to have both Landry and Lee to go with Thompson and maybe Hawes.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
My only problem with Lee
Is the money he’;s going to get. Someone will give him 9-10 mil a year and I’m not sure the Kings should be paying that
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Why not?
If a player is worth 9-10 for a good team then why would he not be worth that to the Kings. This to me is just silly. 3 players this season are averaging 20 and 10 and Lee is one of them. He has proven that he can improve, he plays inside with both hands and has a nice perimeter stroke. Lee would start for almost every single team in the league but he isn’t worth 9-10 million to the Kings? I seriously don’t understand the rational on this one.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Logic Fail..GArcia is overpaid at 6
I like Garcia but he is really only a role player and worth 2.5-3 million per year
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
Since Garcia isn't worth 6 mil
Petrie loses a point on The Geoff Petrie Rating Scale for overpaying him.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
True but he still is pretty damn good
I was looking a the draft picks and where we have drafted since he came on board, it is pretty remarkable.
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
True, except when he gets butter on his hands.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
What's your plan for the frontcourt?
Assuming you sign Lee to a 9-10 mil contract next year
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
My plan:
That really depends on where the Kings draft. If the Kings can land Evan Turner then I keep all four bigs and use them to their strengths. I like Thompson starting over Hawes but if Lee is on board, then I would love to see combo’s like Hawes and Lee, Lee and Landry, Thompson and Landry, and Thompson and Hawes because the Kings would have four players that could really complement each other. I would also see times against teams like the Lakers when you could see the Kings go really big with Hawes/Thompson, Lee and Landry.
Now, if the Kings can’t land a player like Turner, I would take Hawes and deal him for a starting quality point/third guard like, maybe DJ Augustin + a future Bobcats pick or possibly Jared Bayless? Then I would move down (if not in the top 4) and draft a big to complement the skills of Thompson, Landry and Lee- maybe Udoh. I might also see if Hawes + the # 6,7,8 might get me back into the top 4.
Why Hawes and not Thompson? Because Thompson rebounds, sets picks, can legitly play either the four or five and takes his job seriously. Add to this that Thompson is cheaper and under team control for an additional year. Also, I belive that although they are not similar in height, Landry and Hawes really play a similar style which isn’t a big deal if you have other playrs that can rebound.
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My only concern with your plan is the $$
Landry is going to get paid next year and we’ll be paying 8-10 mil to Lee already (about a fifth of our cap). I’m not oppossed to Lee, I’m just not sure he’s the defender we need up front.
I really want to keep Landry, Hawes, JT, and a 4th big, but money wise I don’t know how that’s going to work. If we land Turner, I like your sncenario, but if we don’t we’re probably going big in the draft and that should leave money free to sign a G (I just don’t know who that is going to be).
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I dont think Landry is who we should have starting long term
I think Houston had it right by having him play 6th man. As good as he is offensively, he is a poor rebounder, and not a great help defender. Unless we have Dwight Howard, or even a Noah starting center, I think we need a stronger PF.
by MichaelMack on Mar 25, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
But he will still command decent money, so by signing Lee @ 9-10 mil, we’d pretty much be letting Landry walk. Not saying that’s necessarily a bad thing, but I think it’s likely that happens.
It’s a tough situation up front because we have to find the right combinations and take money into consideration. Also, having two young inconsistent players doesn’t help because they are very much still unknowns to a degree.
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I would let Landry walk
if it meant signing Lee
by MichaelMack on Mar 25, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
or package him in a trade
Could see a contender next deadline taking nocioni + Landry and morgaging the future
Fair enough
But then we don’t have anyone up front to dump the ball to and get some points. Unless Lee is that kind of guy, or Hawes and JT develop that kind of game
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Lee is sort of that guy
You don’t need to call a play for him really. He’s not back to basket guy, but how many of those exist in NBA anymore????
Not many
which means it’s a unique skill to have and Landry has it.
I don’t have a solution for the frontcourt, but I also don’t know if Lee is a solution.
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that is a fair point
but I would bet that Lee is closer to a solution than a resigned Landry.
by MichaelMack on Mar 25, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Lee is better than Landry at rebounding.
But Landry is a star post scorer. If the Kings want to compete for a playoff spot next year and a championship down the road, it will take more then just Hawes, JT and Landry. I say sign Lee if he will come here, draft another big if you want and use Donte/Hawes to get the extra guard to complete the backcourt.
Wings are everywhere, re-sign Udoka or add some other 1-2 million dollar player to fill the void left from Donte.
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he needs another year
and he either becomes (or stays) Hakeem Warrick or starts to show he is almost Rashard or some other version of a budding (almost) All-Star
by betweentheeyes on Mar 25, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, that is along the lines of where I am at
I think that he stays for a while longer. Look at how much better he is this year. He has made big strides and if he keeps improving and can get somewhere with how freakishly athletic he is then he will be a somebody.
I kind of see him being more like Gerald Wallace. Different in a few ways, but he may have a similar game…
There are no minutes
for Lee, Hawes, JT and Landry. And not enough money, at least long term. And where’s the defense. Lee is such a short sighted move that does nothing to help this team. I dont’ get it.
If it's because of the rebounding
I think we could find someone to do that for much cheaper and who can play better D.
I’m looking at this from the value for your $$ perspective.
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I don't see why we can't have both guys.
I would let Landry opt out and then retain him by either matching a contract offer or going in the 5/25 million camp. With Thompson, Evans, Donte and Casspi all a few years away from extensions, you buy a player now and free up space to pay these guys when Noc, Garcia, Udrih come off the books in two and three years.
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I'm still not sure that a roster of
Evans, Beno, Cisco, Noce, Donte, Omri, Bayless, JT, Landry, Lee, draftee (Udoh?) gets us closer to the playoffs
Then again, I don’t have a better idea.
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I think Ed has a point though
What you propose makes sense, but if we don’t get a Center in the draft then we would need more defense than we get that way.
the solution?
if you’re saying he’s not dwight howard you are right. But behind him (and of course older bigs like a healthy KG or Duncan) Lee is about as productive a big as there is. Rebounding + Scoring + Passing. You’d basically just want to find a defensive player to put next to him and your front court is awesome.
Option B would be wait til 2011 when MGasol and Horford hit free agency
But they don't hit FA in 2011.
All of this 2011 crap has me fuming. The players that can help you in the class of 2011 are restricted free agents which means that there team can match any contract offer if they haven’t already locked the player up.
To wait is a fools errand. The team that Petrie has assembled is already a very strong nucleus but it needs two big pieces to come into focus. The top 10 pick should fill one of those spots while the oodles of cap space should be used wisely to fill the other spot.
This is a playoff team next year people if Petrie even comes close to the off-season he had last year. Evans, Casspi, Thompson, Hawes and Landry should all be able to improve while Garcia, Udrih and Noc are players in the midst of their prime so there shouldn’t be any slippage. Greene is a wild card and Brockman is a nice role guy. What he Kings need is another guard and a big.
Who cares if that big is a shot blocker as long as he rebounds and plays team/position defense then teh Kings will improve.
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I can see that
I think that it all depends on the draft. If the best player we can get is a big then we do that and spend money on a FA guard, and vice versa.
To early to tell. I guess I vote for patience and try to be optimistic.
SF is easier to fill
Cisco will do at worst – he can defend and make shots most of the time.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 25, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I would also add
A way to get rid of Nocioni!! We need his roster spot and some of his cash for a better 2. Hell I would even be willing to take a 2 from a team at 3-4 and pay the other part of Noces contract for that team, if that is possible/
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I am with you jjham
I understand the fear here of spending money but $10 million for a 26 year old elite PF who averages 20 & 12? If you have the chance to land him for that price you do it. Why is Bosh worth $18 million but Lee isn’t even worth $10? It makes no sence to me. Everyone wants this imaginary Dwight Howard to come save us & to me it’s ridiculous. Spencer is becoming a pretty decent shot blocker & defender who can spread the floor. He is only going to get better. You pair him with an elite rebounding & scoring PF that can hold his own against other PFs on defense & you have a great combination for years imo.
I love beating dead horses.
Patience and trade using cap space are not necessarily excusive
In fact the Thunder, which you cite under the “patience” plan, are instead cited by Pelton as a team making smart use of their cap space by acquiring assets from teams desperate to dump contracts (such as getting first rounders for both taking on, then trade Kurt Thomas). I think the Kings could and should take the same approach.
Then who should the Kings target? Dalembert is appealing because of his expiring contract, Okafor is pricey (both in terms of contract and cost of acquiring him—the Hornets didn’t seem willing to dump him for free, they’d probably ask for Spencer back) but young and exactly what the Kings need, Gortat would be a solid addition if the Magic fall short again and ownership decides to tighten the belt a bit. I’d really like to steal Biedrins from the Warriors as well, given both his youth and defensive abilities, but I don’t see them getting so desperate.
I would imagine management would not think Redd’s expiring worth whatever sweeteners the Bucks offered (unless maybe their 1st?). Utah seems higher on Kirilenko since they’ve performed well down the stretch, I’d imagine if they bring Boozer back they’d look to deal Millsap instead. The Knicks would certainly love to dump Curry on us, but they’ve essentially cashed already any potential sweetener they could entice us with.
I think the biggest factor in making this decision is where we land in the draft, and who we take with the pick. A good big man could make Hawes or Thompson expendable, or use for a big man defensive upgrade (like Hawes for Okafor). There are definitely some interesting options…
Kirilenko
I would like a trade that came out like this; Kirilenko, Millsap and a draft pick, i would push for NYs this year because of all tghe money were saving them, for Nocioni, Hawes or JT, possibly Greene or Casspi if we have to which i think we would. AK47 would be a huge expiring for next year while blocking some shot for us, even though he’s not the force we need, and Paul Millsap woud be a pretty good sized upgrade at the 4 spot that can average 10 boards a game. This is highly unlikely but i can dream right. And we would receive a pick around 8-12.
I'd like for the Kings to wait till next season's deadline
That way we can evaluate how the young players are progressing and get a better picture of team needs. Also, other teams might decide to unload a superstar for cap relief if their team starts sucking it up by mid-season.
I rarely agree with you, but am onboard with this approach.
This makes a lot of sense and takes the most discipline, but in the long term we have to get some draft talent, develop that talent and what we do have, and THEN see where the holes are that we need to fill. Our getting the last piece is at least a year away.
A year away?
No… much longer. We’ll have to spend at least a couple years in the playoffs before we begin contending. And we’re about 2 years from the playoffs in my opinion, at the current rate (if we somehow manage to get one of Bosh/Lebron/Wade next year, that obviously changes, but its highly unlikely).
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I am still hoping for Bosh.
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you may end up hitting rock bottom and start defending Napear on a regular basis
by Pollard4LIfe on Mar 25, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
At least a year
But you are closer to the truth. A couple of years before we can contend. We may get all the pieces at the end of next year. Make the playoffs the next season and then really contend the year after that.
Felton and Tyrus or Haywood via Free Agency
Draft BPA and we have a very solid young team.
Starting:
Haywood
Hawes/JT
Evans
Felton
Casspi
Bench
Landry
Beno
JT/Hawes
BPA
Cisco
Donte
Brockman
If you can get Aldrich in the draft then you go after TT if Free agency or if you get a good 2 then you go after Haywood. I think that team with expected growth could get you 40-44 wins.
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I just don't get the Felton love
To me he is no better than a $3 million a year player. He is solid but also very mediocre. Why would we want to be paying Beno & Felton $12 million a year? Or better yet Beno, Cisco, Nocioni, & Felton $24 million? That’s a lot of money tied up in roll players.
I love beating dead horses.
Felton could be an affordable fit that plays D and can handle the ball
I still say that part of our defensive struggles are about poor perimeter d coupled with bad help rotations.
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I do not think that Felton is that big of help
He just isnt that different from Beno, even with being a little better on offense.
by MichaelMack on Mar 25, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
In my pollyanna world we would find a way to dump Noc and Beno while Benos value is back up
Noc just may be like herpes, he never goes away until his contract dies
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
Yep
You don’t invest $12 million in a PG rotation like that—what, to play each guy 24 minutes? Don’t think so. Not when there are more pressing needs.
I dunno..
Pay Felton 3-4 million and get better D and draft a good shooting 2 and I think you are better off. We need perimeter D badly. I think we are better off than Beno, who is having a career year
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He was offered $6 million per I believe & didn't take it
So you can forget about that
I love beating dead horses.
I forgot Option 4
The Ivan Brothers.
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Could Harris be available via option 2?
And how good would Collison have to be until Paul is made available? I can’t let that dream go…
I wouldn't want Devin Harris on the Kings.
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agreed to the max
But I likes me Courtney Lee! He should be acquireable because Terrence Williams is so promising for them
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
some uh-huh and some nope
First off, well written and like the talk spark. rec’d.
I see the Kings in play for David Lee, particularly given the sort of problems that last night posed. Of the tier 2 players, he is the only attractive one. If he is not available, move to Option 3.
The Kings have enough developing talent – Tyrus Frikkin Thomas (why did you have to put him first, nm, I know, I know) makes no sense and his time on the MikeCats proves it – draft picks this last year, this coming summer and next year will all be or have been lottery picks. Wait it out and go after more talent depending on what you determine you need after next season – maybe Noah, Kaman, maybe a SG or PG. Figure it out after next season when the Kings win somewhere in the 30+ game range.
Factor in that the Maloofs are now in charge and will be more cautious or less cautious. Will the Arena deal or no deal make a difference? The CBA is to take salaries down 35-40%. Owners are notoriously overextended on the contracts. If the Kings are space available to pick up contracts they will have options. But they will have compeitition: 8 teams have room to sign a max FA. There are 9 tier one and tier 2 Max FAs. LeBron, Bron and DWade may all stay put decreasing the number to 6. The others may stay put (Johnson, Lee, Ginobili most likely). That leaves 3. Sounds like plenty of teams with room. The summer of 2011 makes more sense for the Kings anyway you slice it unless they get Lee or a favorable EC trade (i.e. Kirilenko).
Scattered response, sorry.
Just because
Tyrus Thomas stats since joining the MikeCats:
10.5 points, 6.8 boards, 1.7 blocks, 1.1 assists, 1.1 steals in only 23 minutes.
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Further in his defense, the Bobcats play at a rather slow pace
so there’s no stat inflation like one might get with Tolliver, reggie williams, insert-warriors-dleague-callup
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
AK-47 may play real hard in hopes of getting a decent contract for the following season
But we need to unload Noc…could you just see Sloan having an aneurysm as Noc goes in and starts to jack up threes with 18 seconds left on the shot clock. Then Sloan getting up in Noces grill, Noce throws a punch and Sloan goes all Bob Barker on him ala Happy Gilmore.
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That would be the greatest series of events, ever.
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Just send nocioni to the warriros
he’d fit right in AND be their toughest player
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
they would bench him for attempting to play D, it slows the game down too much
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Lee
It seems like the Kings have long been interested in Lee, a player i would love. But i just dont see them being able to sign him because if the major FA’s stay put, which they likely will for the money, the knicks won’t relinquish Lee’s rights. I think if we could add a big man like Cousins in this years draft and possibly make a move to aquire a guy like Avery Bradley at the end of the first round or beginning of the second, this young athletic team would be on the same track as OKC. Although we may not contend for a few years at least we could enjoy watching some playoff games.
Lee-
Here is the deal:
-First up, the only “rights” the Knicks have to David Lee are Larry Bird rights which mean jack shit if they are able to land two super star players because the Knicks will have to renounce his rights to sign these players and there is no way that Lee is going to play for the veterans minimum.
-David Lee will enter the free agency pool at the stroke of midnight some time in the near future, just like Bosh, D-Wade, LaBron etc. GMs are going to be camping out on his lawn, waiting for the clock to strike and then bumb rush this guy and you know what they are going to tell him? Here is the money, here is the contract, here is security and fame and where are your beloved Knicks? They are sleeping on LaBrons grass, not yours and they are going to get these guys to sign and you are going to be screwed because we also have another guy waiting around over at Boozers house and Bosh’s house and when the money dries up, you are going to be the fool. Your Knicks? They are going to try and peddal you to Toronto so you can “get that extra year” and then you, the good little soldier will be stuck playing European style basketball in Canada. David Lee will be somewhere, and he sure is hell isn’t going to wait for the Knicks this time.
I agree that the Kings need to improve through the draft but they also need to take some of my (really my wife’s) hard earned cash that we have been paying to go to these games and throw down on a PLAYER. Not a MLE piece of shit but a bonafide PLAYER. Will the top 3 sign here? No, probably not but why not #’s 4-10 because this is a very good young team with a high first round pick and a loyal fanbase.
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Hallelujah!! jjham
I don’t want to overspend but David Lee at $10 million would make me very happy
I love beating dead horses.
I think this is a great conversation to have
but no matter what he speculate here, everything will change after the draft. What position we address during the draft will decide who we target with our $$ (FA signings or trade). I’m excited though, that much I know
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Rec'd
Very thorough breakdown, great job Aykis.
I honestly have no idea what the Kings will do. I worry about the possibility of a guy like Amare (mostly because I don’t think he deserves the max contract that he’ll want) or Boozer (never trust a guy ho suddenly regains his form in the second half of a contract year). Very concerned, but hopeful at the same time.
I’m not completely opposed to showing patience, but it would certainly be a little frustrating until we could start seeing benefits.
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Boozer duplicates Landry
Same size player, same position, similar skill set, though Boozer is the better rebounder, and more dynamic scorer. Boozer can’t play center either, at 6’8", so cross him off the Kings Off-Season Want List.
David Lee is still appealing to us because at 6’10" he can play center, get 11 rebounds a game. And he is effective as a high post player and pick and roll player too. He can start along side Landry or Spencer.
I have to think Lee is our top choice, if and when Chris Bosh and his agent say “no thanks”, and we can afford overpay a little Lee if we have to.
After Lee, I think Tyrus Thomas as a RFA would be a nice addition. I like the idea of trading JT (if Bobcats are game) for a resigned Tyrus Thomas AND signing Lee. That adds significant defense and offense to your front court. All of the sudden it goes from seriously talent deprived to talent laden.
Then you use your draft pick on a wing player, say Wesley Johnson, Turner, or Geoff Petrie sleeper, and next season we can make playoffs.
I love David Lee and his rebounding prowess
But our team is absolutely desperate for some shot blocking at the rim. And Lee is not and has never been a shot blocker. That is a huge glaring hole in our defense IMO. That’s why i’m not too enamored with Lee, because we’d be paying him like a star and still not solve our frontcourt issues.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Our wings
can also start doing a much better job of stopping penetration, and maybe the shot blocking wont be nearly the issue it has been the last two years
by MichaelMack on Mar 25, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget rebounding-
Casspi looks like an elite rebounder at the small forward position. He may be able to mask a few of the Landry issues if he can regain his form and starting position.
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Talk about wishful thinking.
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I don't mean that Omri will be a league leader.
I’m talking about a leader among SFs. I see a young Marion. Maybe not 10 rbs a game but high 7’s. Casspi has great instincts and reactions to go with size and quickness.
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by jjham15 on Mar 25, 2010 11:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Marion was among the league leaders in rebounding for many years. Step back on that comparison.
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a shotblocker is EASIER to find than what Lee does.
Which is 1)rebound highly efficiently, 2) score consisently and efficiently 3) doesn’t need plays called for him to get ‘his numbers’…..
You can pick up a guy like samuel dalembert in free agency next year or via trade or maybe Camby this off season. But you can’t as easily find a 20/10 PF.
And of course theres always the option of trading hawes 4 hibbert getting Larry 1 step closer to his dream of the least athletic white team ever. (Hawes + Dun-Murphy front court brings tears to my eyes. Literally tears
Spencer has shown he can block shots & defend
He will only get better. He can’t rebound or score in the post. Insert David Lee. What’s the problem? Unless you don’t like Spencer which I understand but Landry & Spencer is a bad combo. Spencer & Lee? Great combo imo
I love beating dead horses.
I really really doubt Spencer as a rim protector
I’ve seen him get destroyed by so many big men, it’s hard to fathom him becoming a defensive force in this league – nay, impossible to imagine! It’s not just blocking shots, it’s about altering shots, which never does with any consistency.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Lee can play center?
Maybe if you’re the run and gun Knicks. Not on my team. No Lee, no Murphy, no non-defenders. Rebounding is important, but we need someone who can defend AND rebound, or else we’ll have to ship out multiple others from the group of Landry, Hawes, and Thomspon
There is no way you'll get Murphy without shipping out JT or Landry
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I'd want Camby
…. if he was younger. Someone who’s main purpose is defense, and someone who’s good at it.
I like Camby as well but,
I see him going to a team that gives him a chance for a ring. He may stay in Portland or another team in a similar situation- Denver, San Antonio, OKC, Dallas if they can’t retain Haywood.
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Draft Evan Turner and sign Rudy Gay
PG: Tyreke Evans
SG: Evan Turner
SF: Rudy Gay
PF: Carl Landry
C: Jason Thompson
by DougChristieKO on Mar 25, 2010 10:57 PM PDT reply actions
hire Don Nelson or Mike D'Antoni
and the cast is complete
by betweentheeyes on Mar 25, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
So you are not opposed to going Gay?
Sorry, couldn’t resist. Rudy Gay is a distinct possibility. Because we don’t have a player like him on the roster, he is 23 years old, and pretty damn impressive player when he wants to be. Donte nor Omri have made a strong case for the SF spot in the second half of the year, and Gay is a Geoff Petrie type of player. This roster needs more speed and athleticism too.
I think I’d put him behind Lee in terms of guys we would most look to sign. Those are the two guys who give you best talent infusion at relative cost if Bosh is a no-go
Rudy would best be acquired via sign and trade to clear log jam at wing position, and retain cap space to sign David Lee, maybe something like Donte + Nocionni for Rudy Gay.
Tyreke
Evan Turner / Beno
Rudy Gay / Omri
David Lee / Sir Carl
Spencer
This team would kick butt, because you’d have 5 legitimate star caliber players on your roster.
Distinct possibility? Unlikely
He’s a restricted free agent, and we’d have to wildly overpay to get him. Teams with RFAs usually simply match offers, and don’t do crummy sign and trades for Andres Nocioni.
I hope not
I think Rudy Gay is going to be drastically overpaid this summer, and I hope the Kings aren’t the ones to do it.
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Yeah I think so too
I think Minnesota is going to be the ones doing the overpaying as well.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Mar 26, 2010 12:05 AM PDT reply actions
Why not Haywood
I think Haywood would be a real nice add to this team, then we can focus on the best 2 in the draft since we will likely be out of the Wall, Favors, Cousins, Aldrich, Turner mix. Aldrich is the only one i see possibly dropping and he could be our younger Haywood.
Haywood at 6-7 for 3-4 years would be strong and be what this team needs with regards to defense, rebounding and shot blocking. This will give time for JT and hawes to put up or shut up and allow us to find the furture back court mate for Reke.
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I like Haywood but
I think he would prefer to go to a contender. Not to say he would be unhappy here, but I prefer to land guys that really want to prove themselves. But Haywood would definitely be an upgrade at Center
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