Andres Nocioni Wants Out
Chapu tells Adry Torres of ESPN Deportes he feels the Kings have proven the Argentine is not a part of the team's core, and as such he would like to be traded.
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I don't blame him
It’s true that the team has demonstrated that he’s not part of the plan for the future. That’s not anything new.
I do still blame him for squandering the minutes that he does get. I ranted about this back when Brad Miller wanted out, but Noc needs to make himself desirable to a contender. Nobody wanted him at the deadline, and he needs to realize that it’s because his style of play and what he brings to the table doesn’t match his contract. Improved shot selection, and not publicly griping are the best ways to make himself desirable to anyone other than chapuforyou.
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This
If he played to his actual strength, not the strengths he perceives, he’d be pretty tradeable. If he did all the stuff that Udoka does then he’d see more time because Noc would hit way more of those wide open corner threes that Noc misses all the time.
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What is Noc's strength?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You know....
I am beginning to wonder about the deadline. For some reason, I feel like the Kings weren’t totally prepared for this one. All the rumors had Martin staying and then at the last second, he was added in to the T-Mac deal. The reports that followed the days after led me to believe that other teams were also interested and would have offered more but the Kings didn’t respond to requests. I know that the Kings tried to deal Noc earlier in the season but I’m kind of wondering if the Martin falling out didn’t distract the Kings and interfere with the big picture stuff. Noc is not a bad player and he could very well be very valuable to the Kings next year if they add the right pieces through the draft and free agency.
If the Kings played this season straight up, not grooming young players like Omri and Donte at the small, I think they would have won more games and that Noc would have been a starter for the entire season. I like what the Kings did here but let’s be honest, winning was not the agenda from day 1. Noc should keep his bi-lingual mouth shut and wait for next season when things might be a whole lot different. He is not getting bought out, no matter what anyone thinks unless he is willing to take pennies on the dollar and he is going to end up in a K-9 size dog house if he doesn’t watch it. The Kings will wait on the next CBA which might allow them to dump Noc without a cap hit so until that issue is resolved, he isn’t going anywhere unless another team steps up. Maybe he should jet to Europe and play there.
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The reports that followed the days after led me to believe that other teams were also interested and would have offered more but the Kings didn’t respond to requests.
Oh not this bullshit again. You people are killing me.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I really feel bad for Nocioni.
I certainly don’t blame him if he wants to be traded. I don’t think anyone wants to be on a team where they do not feel they are an integral part. I know that he makes a lot of money, but sometimes money isn’t everything.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Torres mention anything about the whether or not bears crap in the woods?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Mar 26, 2010 6:37 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The bigger question is...
If we trade Noce, do we lose NoceOne and Chapuforyou?
I’m Ok losing cfy, but N1? C’mon!
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by LeaguePassAddict on Mar 26, 2010 6:39 AM PDT reply actions
Since they are both obsessed with Noc, with him gone I think there would be a very good chance.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
What, I'm chopped liver?
Well that hurts
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by shampooforyou on Mar 26, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
You have to stay. Who else can critique the players' hair like you do.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
True
You do have to stay, shamp. Greasy hair is a no-no on elite level teams. It’s why Nash has never won a championship.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Mar 26, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
LMAO
All this time he thought it was his teammates, when it really came down to his hair! Every team needs to have a hairstylist on staff, so this sort of thing doesn’t happen to their team.
Now that Noc wants to be traded, he needs someone like you to advise him on his hair.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Does anyone know if any team in the NBA has drafted a player out of Cosmetology School?
“I majored in Barbering with a minor in Nail Technology, and hope to go back and get my degree after my pro basketball career”
by betweentheeyes on Mar 26, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
want to see my concussion scar?
one of the burdens of naked scalp awareness: if you scrape and bloody your head (like on an outdoor tree while draping it with Christmas lights) you can’t hide your clumsiness, particularly when you sit down. Oh, and hats and sunscreen are mandatory unless you want to become a freckled scaly divoted from skin cancer chrome dome.
and I am now going to change my major to Esthetics. (now starting for Barbizon at 6’2" …)
by betweentheeyes on Mar 26, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Buyout
If he doesn’t want to take substantially less money in a buyout deal he might as well get used to his spot on the end of the bench.
Hope
I wouldn't expect anything less from a guy as competitive as Nocioni
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Is that a Phineas and Ferb reference in your sig Otis?
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Screw Him
If he doesn’t want to play for this team, sit his ass on the bench and never let him play.
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If he didn't suck they would have been able to trade him already. If he wants to play for a winner he is gonna have to give back about $5 mill a year...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Or cheering that Noc will be on a team that wants him.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I understand Noc's discontent
And I would love to see him coming off the bench for Boston (for example) in the playoffs. Unfortunately, his contract is greater than his talent.
Noc will have about $9 million guaranteed left on his contract by next year’s trade deadline (he is due $6.9 million next year and $6.7 million the year after that, with a team option third year). He’s going to be tough to move prior to that, unless a team with a need to move a larger contract comes calling.
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Something I have thought extensively about
Is that the Bulls want to shed a bit more $ and the King’s need another Ball-Handler (for bench or starters duty) what being said I could see a straight swap of Noc for Captain Kirk.
Just a thought.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Mar 26, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
No.
To much money for a back-up, no defense playing point even if you factor in Noc’s salary.
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¿Cómo se dice chucker?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Mar 26, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
He's actually a solid defender.
And that is the general concensus around the league. I’m not quite sure where you’re getting the “no defense playing” stuff. He’s a very solid player – probably a slightly better guard than Noc is forward.
No defense playing stuff?
He’s white and a guard, how hard do you think it is for people to make the leap on their own?
Hopefully the Kings either try to buy him out
or somehow manage to trade him.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
That would seem to cover the options available.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
The legal ones
Yes.
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All we need is someone with a bat, and someone to take his elbows out.
Because even if we take out his knees, Noce will be fit to play.
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Noc is a chucker
How do you know he won’t shoot out his knees at the first opportunity?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Time spent shooting knees is time spent not shooting at the basket.
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How will he be able to get back on defense?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Nocioni doesn't get back on defense, he simply follows the ball to the other court to maximize his chances of getting the ball, so he can shoot it from where he stands.
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Bench Player
His role on the Kings is a bench player. His role on any other team he would be traded to would be…
BENCH PLAYER.
Get over it Noc.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Partly true
On this team, he’s easily the best 3 we have. He’s the most aggressive defender and the most skilled offensive player. Still, I have no problem playing the young guys because I think what is lost in the short term is overcome by the long term gain. Yet, from an athlete’s perspective, I’d want out as well. If you were on a team and you knew you were better than the people getting the minutes, I’d hope that you’d be pissed too. If you are not, then you’re not a competitive athlete.
Now, on most contenders, Noc is definitely a 6th or 7th man type that can bring energy and scoring off the bench. And I think that he’d be ok in that situation because , at least in my experience, it seems that most athletes have a sense of what’s equitable given the surrounding talent.
in a suit tonight??
Maybe some of the wiser minds can help with this one. At the trade deadline we had the expiring contracts of KT and Larry Hughes. That is close to 20 million. I am not sure why we could not move Noce (if Petrie really wanted to?) with those two contracts as bait. The only reason I could think of is Petrie did not want to move him, he sucks and his contract sucks (which I do not think is the case but other teams may), or there were no large enough contracts out there to make the deal happen. Anyone have any ideas why??
by noreboundsnorings on Mar 26, 2010 9:12 AM PDT reply actions
Let me try...
First of all, we acquired Hughes at the deadline, so it was not possible to package him with anyone else on the roster and move him again. So throw that out the window.
Now, while it was possible to package KT & Noc, it just doesn’t make any sense. What could we reasonably expect to receive for an expiring contract + an over paid player?? There is zero chance of turning that into anything useful. The best case (and I would surmise, it was not appealing to the Kings FO) would be to turn them into a player with a larger contract than Noc, but that would expire a year earlier (Eddy Curry maybe?). In other words, it would eat up cap space but come off the books sooner. That’s a bad deal for this team right now. Cap space is more valuable.
The only way to move Noc would have been with a player(s) that another team covets. Martin was best the chance to move Noc. Whether or not that was explored is up for debate.
by Skinny Pete on Mar 26, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to sound arrogant
But if you don’t understand Spanish, please don’t kill the guy yet. I just read the article and he was as professional as he could’ve been. I’d translate it for everyone but I’m at work and can’t do it (if someone really wants me to do it, I can do it later today).
I’m not a Noce apologist (at all), but if you don’t understand what he’s actually saying in a different language, then at least give him the benefit of the doubt. If after getting the correct translation you’re still pissed at him, then fine… but at least make sure you’re understanding what he’s saying and the way he’s saying it.
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by edm7 on Mar 26, 2010 9:41 AM PDT reply actions 7 recs
I would love to see a translation of the story!
Thanks for the offer.
by rstewartwest on Mar 26, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd for wisdom ed
I’m not mad at Noc, I just think its perfectly clear that he’s not part of the teams future already, and that the Kings would trade him if they could. Unfortunately his contract is in the way.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
If he accepted a lower buyout how does it affect our cap situation?
does he come off the books completely?
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No
The amount of his buyout for the years remaining on his contract stay on the books. Look at Jamaal Tinsley for a reference point.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
So a buyout really doesn't help then
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
So the real benefit of a buyout is just to save ownership a few dollars right?
Nothing cap related?
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Looks like it
so again, the buyout does nothing for the Kings cap wise unless Noc is crazy.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
That would be the idea.
But the big benefit would be moving the player off the roster. The Kings won’t buy out Noc unless it really benefits them to do so.
As far as the cap benefits, it wouldn’t be a big benefit if Noc gets waived and signs a minimum salary. There isn’t much money there to be saved (a few bucks but nothing that gives the Kings significant cap room).
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I have a buyout question
We all know the Kings have cap space next season. Can we buy out the rest of Nocioni’s contract in one big check(minus a few bucks) & only have it count towards nexts season cap? I hope I am clear enough.
I love beating dead horses.
No you can't do that.
And yes you were clear.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
No problem.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
But this is basketball
People got to have hops right? They would, all too often, rather jump to conclusions and fly off the handle than be reasonable.
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Judgment day is coming!
Even in Google translate form I have no problem with him
When I saw this post this morning I was surprised at some of the animus from early commenters- Noce’s chucking ways can be really annoying, we all know that, but I’ve yet to see anything outside of professionalism and class from him (DUI excepted of course).
I think that here have shown that one, I’m not part of this group. So I have no problem. Just accept it. I think that not being part of a group or not in the plans of coach or people there is nothing wrong.
This is a grown-up point of view- nowhere does he hate on the Kings, or even question the direction they’re going. He simply says “Since I’m not part of their plans, I’d like to be elsewhere.” Hard to hate on him for that. Totally agree with Exhibit G’s first post about how Noce hasn’t maximized his value (not even close), but I respect the guy and hope the best for him.
Some guys just don't get it. And Noce is one of them.
Noce was ditched in Chicago and would be by the Kings if anyone wanted to trade for him and his contract. He doesn’t come close to playing anything resembling team ball. He comes in the game, jacks up shots, leaves his man on D to commit stupid fouls…….. I could go on. Somehow, Noce has not embraced the idea of playing a role. He thinks he’s a superstar. I don’t think he’s a jerk, just another lost NBA ego.
So many things wrong in this statement
Only chapuforyou thinks Noc is a superstar. Not Noc.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Are you sure that even chapuforyou believes that?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
With all my heart.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
If chapuforyou doesn't think Noc is a superstar
then there is no meaning in life.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
There is meaning to life. But you should know what the answer to that is.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Well it is either...
Try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try and live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations.
or the number 42.
Exactly.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I guess some people can't wait
Yo, titular no quiero ser. Yo no soy ninguna estrella y no creo que sea titular en un equipo de la NBA. Yo creo que sí soy un jugador que puede jugar 20 minutos, 25 minutos consistentemente.
I don’t want to be a starter. I’m not a star and I don’t think I’m a starter on any team in the NBA. I think I’m a player who can consistently play 20, 25 minutes.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Shoot I didn't even have to read that to know Noc doesn't think he's a superstar
What a crazy statement to make.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
If nothing else it's honest.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I read the article, here it is translated to the best of my abilities:
Headline: " I’m not part of this group"
Under the caption: Noce knows he is not in the Kings plans and he accepts it without issues.
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — Noce has three things very clear : He doesn’t want to be a starter, he’s not an All Star, and if the Kings don’t have any plans for him, the Argentinian has no problems if he is traded to another team.
I’m hoping they don’t. Hopefully they do pass me off to the side, hopefully" said the player, who currently is in his second season with the Kings, in an interview with ESPNdeportes.com. " I believe that over here they have demonstrated that one: I’m not part of the this group. So I don’t have any issues with that, I just accept it. I believe not being part of the group, not being in the coach’s plans or staff is not bad. So I just accept it.
The season has been a frustrating one, not just for Nocioni, but for the franchise that just years ago was an aspiring NBA title hopeful. Those times have long passed.
The Kings started off well, but injuries and bad stretches of basketball contributed and the trade of Kevin Martin to the Houston Rockets signified that the team had other plans. What started as a season with the possibilities of success will instead end in disillusion for everyone. They have lost, in two occasion, four games straight, and on two occasions runs of five straight losses. They have also suffered six and seven loses consecutively — All this amounts to a losing season.
Nocioni is a player that contributed roughly 23 to 31 minutes during tenure with the Bulls this is also including the past year with he Kings.
“For me, it’s very hard. I’m still not sure what happened. Why there was so much change. Why I found myself playing 30 minutes and all of a sudden five, or not playing, or playing 10. No, no, no I’m not sure why. That’s why, like I said, sometimes one doesn’t have the answer”, said Noce.
With all the failure this season, the Argentinian still has hopes to attain a more relevant role, as opposed to the one he has had this year on the floor.
“Me, I don’t want to be a starter. I’m not any star and I don’t think I’m a starter in any team in the NBA. I do think I’m a player that can play 20-25 minutes consistently and show my worth”, declared Noce. “That’s why, well, how it is, that’s why one has to accept it. I don’t think any wrong doing has been done” .
AN EVENT TO FORGET
A moment that Noce definitely wants to forget was the 5th of November, when he was arrested for suspicion of DUI and was suspended for two games by the Kings.
“The truth is, it was gross error on my part. I rarely go out. In the U.S I’ve gone out very few times, and for not having experience of going out much, I committed an error with something I drank.
Noce, with an average of 8.3 points per game, is waiting for the season to come to an end.
“It’s the only thing I’m thinking about. For the season to end here and the World games (FIBA) to start in Turkey, because I don’t think this year was anything positive in my career. So that’s why I will continue to play the best to my abilities and do things are best as possible”.
For the moment, Noce thinks that his compatriots that are in the NBA finally will accept being part of the team in the World tournament (FIBA).
“Lets hope they do, hopefully. I believe we all will play. I think we have possibilities. I think the team will be one with experience, with many professional games played. I think there’s a possibility of being there amongst the top groups. I think we have to prepare ourselves the best we can and play the best we can”.
That’s it.
I might have made some errors here and there though :/
"It's just like the story of the grasshopper and the octopus. All year long, the grasshopper kept burying acorns for winter, while the octopus mooched off his girlfriend and watched TV. But then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns. Also he got a race car. Is any of this getting through to you?"
by Apoet on Mar 26, 2010 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd for the thorough translation.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
It should be noted
while it certainly doesn’t excuse his behavior, but people drive drunk here all the time. Every night. And Argentines don’t rely on a whole lot of police like we do fro traffic management. It just should be noted that drunk driving could be considered normal. That is also the reason Buenos Aires is like the #2 city in the world for traffic accidents.
It should also be noted that fernet is disgusting.
by VenomySnicket on Mar 26, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Some translation
The article is written in bad spanish. (As I’m doing in English right now). It seems that it’s writer’s second lenguage. Even so, I shows clearly what Nocioni wants to say: I’m not blaming anyone for my current situation but I believe I can do better someplace else, because here there’s no more room for me: I’m not now a part of the team (el grupo) and I’m not in coach’s plans.
Being myself from Argentina and seeing Chapu play for most of his career (mainly for the national team) I think that things between him and the Kings ended up sadly, without any of the parts getting something of value of the relation. As I posted before, I truly believe that Chapu would have been of great help in this team’s transition, while young and promising players like Casspi and Greene matured. It seemed that this was possible in the first past of the season, now it doesn’t.
Here are some translated fragmentes of the article.
“I believe that here they have proven that I’m not part of this group (the team’s core as Ziller puts it will do: he’s talking about being part of the team beyond the formality, as people that share common goals and spirit, etc.). So I have no problem with that: I just accept it. I believe there’s nothing wrong with not being a part of the group or not being in the coach’s plans or in the people’s plans. So I accept it”.
-——
Initially with the Bulls and part of last year with the Kings, Nocioni played about 21-30 minutes.
“For me is very difficult. I don’t understand yet what happened. Why there were so many changes. Why from playing 30 minutes I turned out playing 5, or not playing, or then playing 10. No, no, I don’t know why. So, as I tell you, sometimes you don’t have an answer for that.”
And yet with all bad things in this season, the Argentine still has hope of obtaining a more relevant role in comparison with the one he has got this year in court.
“I don’t want to be a starter. I’m not a star and I don’t believe I’ll be a starter in an NBA team. But I do believe I’m a player that can get 20, 25 minutes consistently and help my team (rendir)", said Nocioni. “But I must accept it the way it is. I don’t believe that something wrong is done with me”.
About DUI
"The truth is it was a huge mistake of my part. I never go out. I did it very little while in the US, and because I had so little experience, I made I mistake with something I drunk.
-——-
Nocioni, who averages 8.3 points for game, hopes that season comes to an end.
"Is in the only thing I’m thinking. Just that season ends and that Fiba World’s Championship starts, because I don’t think this year will be a positive one for my career. So I’ll try to play and do things the better I can".
Here are some fragments of the article.
Noce is a bit of polarizing figure
Throwing NoceOne and chapuforyou aside for a moment – no offense to them;
The guy is a hard working pro. He comes into games and tries to make something happen. It may be too much, but he is a Bull on hardwood. It is my impression from his local interviews and his past actions that the guy wants to play and he wants to earn his pay.
His pay is the issue. He is getting a very large sum of money. It is wasteful for him to not be a more involved part of this team. I don’t follow other teams closely enough but the buying of big contracts to offset bigger contracts has been a hallmark of this Kings front office. While it is expected that the player will play and/or the contract will be traded this seems to always end badly. Kenny Thomas prior to this. Brian Skinner as well. Long before it was Brent Price who never even came to Sacramento. As a fan, I am frustrated by the acquistion of a guy who can play productively and is the team’s highest paid player and yet he sits on the bench and tries not to mope. And he tries to smile and say the right things because everyone thinks he should he mope. And if he does complain, then we can all throw daggers.
Now, you could pay me $8M a year to do that and I wouldn’t want or expect your empathy. I am still trying to get a club to pay me not to coach, figured that would be easier (I have tried to contact both Larry Brown and Don Nelson about the Knicks but they don’t return my correspondences)
by betweentheeyes on Mar 26, 2010 12:38 PM PDT reply actions
Long before it was Brent Price who never even came to Sacramento.
This isn’t true. He was on the active roster in 2001-02.
No question. But it’s EVEN MORE wasteful to waive him without any real reason to. Noc signed that contract, and as long as he’s being paid by that contract he has to abide by the rules the Kings set for him today. I don’t think anyone in the organization wishes him ill; I don’t think he wishes the organization ill. Sometimes this stuff is just the way it is.
It is wasteful for him to not be a more involved part of this team.
Now, you could pay me $8M a year to do that
It’s 7.5 mill but I don’t wish to quibble with you. I’m just a stickler for accurate info.
I don’t follow other teams closely enough but the buying of big contracts to offset bigger contracts has been a hallmark of this Kings front office.
I have followed this team for years, and they won’t buy guys out unless it’s on the last year of their contract. Their is little to no incentive to do so. Other teams have similar problems too. Plenty of teams have unsavory and undesirable contracts. Not just the Kings. Other teams have a lot worse problems. Detroit, Indiana (although their cap will be cleared by 2011), Minnesota, New Orleans to name a few.
I would like to see Noc moved for cap relief if it were possible. But ask yourself this: Why would another team would want to pay a guy 6.85 million next year to play 20-25 minutes off the bench?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
thanks for keeping me honest (and accurate)
in respective order of blockquotes:
The Brent Price I remember is the $4M 2002-03 version. He stayed in Cleveland (I think that is his hometown).
It is wasteful for him to not be a more involved part of this team – I mean that in the way that he could be more of a help. He has the talent but yes, the cost of playing is minutes, the cost of playing him or not playing him is the same amount of dollars.
You could pay me $8M – I would not except a paltry $7.5M this season or stand by insulted by getting less next season. No forget it, put those checkbooks and wallets away. Be gone!
I expect most every team has it’s share of unwanted contracts – from the top (Cleveland) to the bottom (Minnesota, yes not NJ but them too), it is just that as my exposure to the Kings is so magnified the unwanted players and contracts are more irksome. Familiarity breeds contempt.
I agree that Nocioni could find 20-25 minutes on another team (NJ, Minn, NO, heck, even Chi-Town) and be productive – will the Kings swap him and someone (JT, Hawes, Green, Casspi) with the promise for a shorter contract? It is one of those things that just makes you (and I) shake your (our) head(s) – trades don’t happen because fans want them to. The why he hasn’t been traded isn’t because he can’t be or is unavailable. At some point you have to trust the FO has not been presented with nor found the deal that fits. When they do we can read about it and discuss it here.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 26, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but who cares with regards to Brent Price
He wasn’t worth much to the team in 2002 let alone 2003. Nick Anderson wasn’t playing, and his contract expired in 2002. That was part of the reason that the Kings got Bibby in the first place. The only thing that it cost was money, and even then it didn’t cost much in retrospect. Getting Keon Clark probably cost the team more in retrospect. Especially since trading Keon to the Jazz meant giving up 2 2nd rounders.
Having said that, I don’t think it matters with regards to Noc. I expect people to voice their frustrations with him, or wonder why the Kings can’t trade him. Other than therapeutic means, I’m not sure there is much function to complaining about it. If it works for you good. If not, well, you’re SOL.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Excellent analogy.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Two words
Buy Out.
If you want out, Noc, you’re gonna need to give a little bit in return, too. We don’t want you around, either, fella.
I agree with Chapu
I want him out as well
I never felt like he has played to the level he did when he was with the Bulls, but I also don’t blame him entirely for that.
Hopefully he isn’t the next Kenny Thomas.
the Bene Gesserit rite.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
Frank Herbert, Dune
sorry
Woof!
the Bene Gesserit rite.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
Frank Herbert, Dune
by SeattleRoyalty on Mar 26, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
He probably is SR. That's the funny thing of it.
It’s just that Noc has 3 1/2 years left instead of 5 1/2 like K9.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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