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Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes - A Closer look at our Bigs

Having watched the progression of the young Kings team this season I have formulated some opinions regarding our strengths and weaknesses and was specifically interested in how the development of our two key young bigs--namely Spencer Hawes and Jason Thompson have improved since being drafted.

We are all elated with the immediate impact Tyreke Evans, Omri Casspi and Jon Brockman have had on our club and have high hopes the addition of Carl Landry makes our team better and deeper going forward. In contrast there have been a plethora of mixed feedback on JT and Hawes and I wanted to delve into some of these claims and serve up a topic of discussion that should illicit some spirited feedback from the STR populous.

In order to provide some context to some potential conclusions some of us have made regarding these two bigs, I have included some hopefully meaningful stats as a prelude. It should be noted these stats do not include games from this weekend.

Here is how our bigs stack up against the league for rebounding:

Name - Ranking + Rebounds per game avg / Ranking + Rebounds per 48 minutes

Jason Thompson - 31st 8.3  / 71st 13.0

Spencer Hawes - 66th 6.1 / 124th 10.9

Carl Landry - 75th 5.7 / 168th 9.3

Jon Brockman - 125th 4.6 / 16th 16.1

 

Here is how our bigs rank in terms of Double Doubles:

Name - Ranking + Number of Double Doubles

Jason Thompson - Tied for 30th  with 20

Spencer Hawes - Tied for 54th with 9

Carl Landry - Tied for 74th with 6

 

Here is how are bigs rank in terms of Blocks Per Game

Name - Ranking by Position + Number of Blocks per game avg.

Jason Thompson -Tied for 20th amongst Forwards at 1.0 per game

Spencer Hawes - Tied for 23rd amongst Centers at 1.2 per game

 

Kings Record 2010 Season Stats based on Jason Thompson's Performance:

11 to 14 rebounds -- 8 - 5

7 - 10 rebounds -- 7 - 21

22 or more points --  5 - 1

15 - 21 points scored -- 5 - 12

DBL DBL -- 10 - 10

3 or more assists -- 5 - 10

5 or more fouls -- 6 - 18 (1 - 6 when he fouls out)

 

Possible Conclusions: While nothing can be absolutely certain by looking at these stats in isolation it appears that JT's value as a go to scorer may give the Kings the highest probability of winning. I don't have enough recollection on how much the Kings have tried to create for JT especially early on but perhaps this is something that can be quickly improved upon for next season.

Another interesting observation is the Kings record when JT is a distributor. With 3 or more assists the record is 5 - 10, which leads me to believe that the Kings may never be effective utilizing JT in a Princeton offense. His ability to hit the cutter or pass out of a double team or fake his man up and dish to another King on the interior may be hard skills for him to develop despite his obvious athletic ability. We were spoiled with C-Webb on the elbow initiating the offense and effectively setting up Bibby for a Pick n Pop or finding a Christie open on the wing. Even when C-Webb was on the low block he was such an effective passer.

The no-brainer observation is fouls. When JT loads up the Kings lose, flat out. He has to be smarter down low and learn to hold position with his lower trunk versus trying to arm his way to stay in front of his man and quit reaching out when he goes up to contest a shot.

I hope JT can take a page out of Carl Landry's book. Offensive rebounding is probably the quickest improvement area that JT should be able to improve upon. He has the length, the hops and size to be a above average offensive rebounder and if he can be more like Landry in this area, the Kings are a much better team.

 

Jason Thompson
Game Log | Splits

 

Breakdown Per Game Per 40 Minutes Totals

 

Basic Stats
Player Name Yr Tm Pos GP GS Min FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% OR DR TR AST STL TO Blk PF PTS
Jason Thompson 2009 SAC PF 82 56 28.0 4.3 8.7 49.7 0.0 0.1 0.0 2.4 3.5 69.2 2.9 4.5 7.4 1.1 0.6 1.8 0.7 3.8 11.1
Jason Thompson 2010 SAC C 64 48 30.8 4.8 10.3 46.5 0.0 0.1 0.0 2.7 3.8 70.8 2.9 5.4 8.3 1.6 0.5 1.9 1.0 3.8 12.3

 

Advanced Stats
Player Name Yr Tm Pos GP Min USG TS% %Ast AR TOR ORR DRR TRR EFF WS AWS PER APER
Jason Thompson 2009 SAC PF 82 28.0 19.29 54.0 63.2 8.60 13.50 11.8 19.0 15.4 13.65 5.79 3.24 13.91 13.35
Jason Thompson 2010 SAC C 64 30.8 19.90 51.2 67.1 10.57 12.19 10.7 20.1 15.3 15.22 6.38 3.57 14.22 13.36

 

Scoring Stats
Player Name Yr Tm Pos GP Min FG% 3P% FT% eFG% TS% %Ast Blkd %Blkd And1 And1% FTR PTS
Jason Thompson 2009 SAC PF 82 28.0 49.7 0.0 69.2 49.7 54.0 63.2 0.90 10.3 0.24 2.8 0.40 11.1
Jason Thompson 2010 SAC C 64 30.8 46.5 0.0 70.8 46.5 51.2 67.1 0.92 8.9 0.48 4.7 0.37 12.3

 

Shot Locations At Rim <10 Feet 10-15 Feet 16-23 Feet Threes
Player Name Yr Tm Pos GP Min M A FG% %As M A FG% %As M A FG% %As M A FG% %As M A eFG% %As
Jason Thompson 2009 SAC PF 82 28.0 2.7 4.4 62.0 64.3 0.7 1.9 36.0 41.1 0.2 0.7 37.0 50.0 0.7 1.7 41.0 85.7 0.0 0.1 0.0 0.0
Jason Thompson 2010 SAC C 64 30.8 2.3 3.7 60.3 61.1 1.0 2.4 43.2 55.2 0.3 1.0 32.3 66.7 1.2 3.0 38.0 89.3 0.0 0.1 0.0 0.0

 

Passing Stats Assists Leading To:
Player Name Yr Tm Pos GP Min AST AST+ AR TOR TO A:T At Rim <10 Ft 10-15 Ft 16-23 Ft 2FG 3FG
Jason Thompson 2009 SAC PF 82 28.0 1.1 1.3 8.60 13.50 1.8 0.64 0.4 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.7 0.4
Jason Thompson 2010 SAC C 64 30.8 1.6 1.9 10.57 12.19 1.9 0.87 0.6 0.1 0.0 0.5 1.2 0.4

 

Areas that JT has improved this year include: points per game, defensive rebounding, free throws, blocks and assists.

Areas that still need improvement include: Offensive rebounding, Fouls, Field goal percentage (especially outside of 10 feet) and turnovers.

 

Kings Record 2010 Season Stats based on Spencer Hawes' Performance:

11 - 14 rebounds -- 4 - 3

7 - 10 rebounds -- 9 - 14

10 or more rebounds -- 7 - 4

22 or more points scored -- 0 - 4

15 - 21 points scored -- 8 - 2

DBL DBL -- 5 - 4

3 or more assists -- 5 - 19

5 or more fouls -- 5 - 3 (1 - 0 when he fouls out)

 

Possible Conclusions: Again nothing is finite looking merely at stats but it is very interesting that the Kings record improves when JT scores in the 20s but not Spencer. Surprisingly when Spencer is leading the game in points the Kings don't win. The best combination seems to be when Spencer garners about 18 points and 11 boards. Spencer will likely miss a few offensive rebounds per game because of his ability to stretch his defender out and make a 3 but he still needs to be a better defensive rebounder. I think the biggest culprit seems to be timing and consistent effort.

Statistically his outside shot needs fall more regularly (which declined over last year) to help his team on the offensive glass to force the opposing bigs to come out and defend.

I was also not encouraged to note the Kings record when Spencer distributes the ball. When either Spencer or JT has 3 or more assists, the Kings go 10 - 29, ugh! Spencer too is weak on the pick n roll and although he has shown flashes of being able to pass with some vision it doesn't seem to coexist with scoring and rebounding.

A starting 7 footer in this league should average a lot more double doubles, thus far he has 9.


Spencer Hawes
Game Log | Splits Breakdown Per Game Per 40 Minutes Totals

 

Basic Stats
Player Name Yr Tm Pos GP GS Min FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% OR DR TR AST STL TO Blk PF PTS
Spencer Hawes 2008 SAC C 71 8 13.1 2.1 4.5 45.9 0.1 0.3 19.0 0.5 0.8 65.5 1.0 2.3 3.2 0.6 0.2 0.8 0.6 1.8 4.7
Spencer Hawes 2009 SAC C 77 51 29.3 4.8 10.4 46.6 0.5 1.5 34.8 1.2 1.8 66.2 1.9 5.2 7.1 1.9 0.6 2.1 1.2 3.2 11.4
Spencer Hawes 2010 SAC C 69 56 26.7 4.4 9.3 47.3 0.4 1.2 30.2 1.0 1.5 68.6 2.0 4.1 6.1 2.2 0.4 1.8 1.1 2.8 10.2

 

Advanced Stats
Player Name Yr Tm Pos GP Min USG TS% %Ast AR TOR ORR DRR TRR EFF WS AWS PER APER
Spencer Hawes 2008 SAC C 71 13.1 19.22 48.6 60.3 9.92 12.63 8.8 20.2 14.6 5.83 2.15 1.04 11.63 10.82
Spencer Hawes 2009 SAC C 77 29.3 20.26 50.9 62.5 12.75 13.69 7.6 20.9 14.2 14.00 5.68 3.21 13.01 12.22
Spencer Hawes 2010 SAC C 69 26.7 19.50 51.2 62.6 15.65 12.85 8.5 17.6 13.0 12.91 5.14 3.24 13.98 13.22

 

Scoring Stats
Player Name Yr Tm Pos GP Min FG% 3P% FT% eFG% TS% %Ast Blkd %Blkd And1 And1% FTR PTS
Spencer Hawes 2008 SAC C 71 13.1 45.9 19.0 65.5 46.5 48.6 60.3 0.27 6.0 0.07 1.6 0.18 4.7
Spencer Hawes 2009 SAC C 77 29.3 46.6 34.8 66.2 49.1 50.9 62.5 0.66 6.4 0.16 1.5 0.17 11.4
Spencer Hawes 2010 SAC C 69 26.7 47.3 30.2 68.6 49.3 51.2 62.6 0.74 7.9 0.23 2.5 0.16 10.2

 

Shot Locations At Rim <10 Feet 10-15 Feet 16-23 Feet Threes
Player Name Yr Tm Pos GP Min M A FG% %As M A FG% %As M A FG% %As M A FG% %As M A eFG% %As
Spencer Hawes 2008 SAC C 71 13.1 0.9 1.5 57.0 62.3 0.4 0.9 46.0 34.5 0.2 0.5 34.0 18.2 0.6 1.3 44.0 85.4 0.1 0.3 28.5 75.0
Spencer Hawes 2009 SAC C 77 29.3 2.2 3.6 62.0 59.5 0.9 2.2 39.0 43.9 0.4 0.9 44.0 43.8 0.8 2.0 39.0 79.0 0.5 1.5 52.2 95.0
Spencer Hawes 2010 SAC C 69 26.7 2.1 3.5 60.1 56.8 0.9 1.9 46.6 41.9 0.2 0.6 31.6 41.7 0.9 2.1 41.0 86.4 0.4 1.2 45.3 100.0

 

Passing Stats Assists Leading To:
Player Name Yr Tm Pos GP Min AST AST+ AR TOR TO A:T At Rim <10 Ft 10-15 Ft 16-23 Ft 2FG 3FG
Spencer Hawes 2008 SAC C 71 13.1 0.6 0.7 9.92 12.63 0.8 0.79 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.1 0.5 0.2
Spencer Hawes 2009 SAC C 77 29.3 1.9 2.2 12.75 13.69 2.1 0.93 0.9 0.1 0.1 0.3 1.4 0.6
Spencer Hawes 2010 SAC C 69 26.7 2.2 2.4 15.65 12.85 1.8 1.22 1.1 0.2 0.1 0.4 1.8 0.4

 

Areas that Spencer has improved this year include: Field Goal percentage (mid-range), Assists, Turnovers, Personal Fouls.

Areas that still need improvement include: Rebounding, Field goal percentage (especially at the rim and outside) and blocks.

 

In summary, it seems almost uncanny how JT and Hawes--essential to our overall success--seem to be our Jeckyll and Hyde, showing moments of great potential only to literally disappear at other times. Their flaws and strengths are antipodes to one another with neither vastly improving overall from the previous year. JT is still young enough to get a lot better and Spencer is probably going to be somewhat better next year but all in all the tandem is near the bottom of the league and without significant improvement and even with Brockman and Landry to support, the Kings will likely not be a playoff contender next year without a starting big joining the rotation next season.

 

 

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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