Mirage of Success: Mavericks 108, Kings 100
That the Mavericks went on a 9-1 run to make five-point lead a 13-point lead when Dirk Nowitzki sat with four minutes left in the third actually explains quite a bit about the Kings defense. All game, Spencer Hawes and Andres Nocioni had forced Dirk into tough shots, and unfortunate misses. Defending Dirk, securing rebounds and getting back in transition was basically what Sacramento had done right on defense. Meanwhile, Jason Kidd got open jumpers, Rodrigue Beaubois did whatever he wanted and J.J. Barea sliced through the lane. But Dirk had been limited, and that appeared to be all that mattered.
It showed, when Dirk sat and the Kings defense just fell apart. So focused on stopping the sun, all the planets collided at the rim in the void. But the allusion lives: Dirk was defended well for three quarters, Dallas didn't score 120, ergo "solid defensive effort from the young Kings." Yes, yes, no. The Mavericks offense hummed. One hundred and eight points on ninety-one possessions. Too efficient. Too good.
Really, all you can take away from that defensive effort is that
a. Nocioni really pisses Dirk off, something we already knew,
b. the Kings can get defensive boards against poor offensive rebounding teams,
c. the Kings have trouble closing on shooters, and
d. the Kings have massive problems with fast guards.
I don't mean to be Debbie Downer, but come on. That was a bad defensive game. The team is improving, but it's mostly on offense. Almost exclusively on offense. This squad has a loooooooong way to go on defense. They can't even see the finish line. The finish line is on Mars, basically. Maybe Neptune.
Beno Udrih, so brilliant in the first half, went icy in the second, just 1-of-5 for three points. Tyreke Evans did the opposite: 1-of-5 in the first half, 8-10 in the second. Of course, he also racked up the turnovers in the second half (five of his six for the game), and he really does look a bit tired. Omri Casspi, who has looked tired lately, attacked the offensive glass well but couldn't get his floor game or defense going, and when (for whatever reason, good or bad) Nocioni gets minutes, Omri's going to be an afterthought.
Cheers to Carl Landry, and heck, cheers to Spencer Hawes. Seventeen rebounds for the starting frontcourt, and only nine offensive rebounds in 40 opportunities for the Mavericks.
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Barea did whatever he wanted in the second half. It was rough to watch.
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I was blown away when I found out he was a rookie!
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Oops! I take that back - getting him confused with Beubois.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I fell in love with Beubois's game pre-draft.
I was really hoping that the Kings would snag him but then the whole Sergio Rodriguez thing happened so the idea cooled. This draft is turning out to be a very solid late teens-early second round draft. Lawson, Collison, Beubois, Casspi, Blair, Jerebko and Thornton all look like real players and all of them were drafted between 18 and 43.
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Agreed
I would add Taj Gibson and Chase Budinger (44th) to that list, and there are a lot of other guys (Dante Cunningham, Brockman, Derrick Brown, etc.) that could still become nice NBA players. Throw in Teague, Holiday and Maynor(!) as well.
Not bad for a weak draft.
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I had Gibson on my list and forgot to type him in.
I’m not a huge Budinger fan so I stopped at Thornton. This draft may turn out to be one of the greats. Evans will be a star, Curry will be an all-star and the players like Flynn, DeRozan and Jennings still have huge upside and I guess the same can be said about Harden and Rubio. All of this and we haven’t got to see Griffin play yet. There are some big misses 11-20 when you consider the 21-44(43) crowd.
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Curry will be a star
not just an All-Star
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that system really inflates his numbers. And he still can’t play d.
I think he’ll be a good player but I get the sense that the hype machine is about to go way overboard on him.
I think he can play D
When we played Golden State I was impressed with his D and if you look at the numbers he gets quite a few steals (about the same amount a game that Reke gets). I realize steals don’t equate to good D, but it is a fairly good indicator.
I have been very impressed with Curry. He’s a better athlete than advertised, and he has great instincts with the ball as a passer (at this point, he’s a better passer than Tyreke). And, I don’t think his sucess is a product of the GSW run and gun system.
Curry...
I don’t think that Curry is going to have an easy time breaking through the young western conference guards that are currently ahead of him. Williams, Paul, Roy, Westbrook, Evans- even Ellis is going to be hard to surpass for an all-star spot. I think Curry will make a few all-star teams eventually but it’s hard to imagine a fringe all-star being considered a star. Just my opinion.
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Don't forget Tony Parker
And OJ Mayo is getting close to that level.
It is amazing to look at the Western Conference guards. Just stacked. Thank goodness Nash and Kobe are getting up in years.
And what if John Wall goes to a western conference team as well.
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Than he does.
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well, it is all situational and Kid Curry will be in the League a long time
Give the Dubs 50+ wins and consideration goes up. Ellis v. Curry – uhh, Curry gets the nod for representation (as a vote on).
Curry has the skills to be a future All-Star.
As for system, yes, his scoring numbers are a bit inflated, but he is still scoring them, you can not denigrate him for production.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 6, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
But that system will be gone next year and the W's will be starting over.
Nelson has wasted the opportunity to develop young talent like Branden Wright and Anthony Randolph. If Keith Smart is the answer then the Warriors are in for another long stretch of futility. You can’t win in the NBA with a team of guards and swing men regardless of how good those guys are.
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Except if you have Michael Jordan.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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anyone else remember when everyone looked at Ellis this way? and now what? he is an inefficient ballhog that GS wants to get rid of...
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I don't know about one of the greats
It’s good in the sense that there will probably be a higher percentage of the draft that sticks. But it also has, potentially, a pretty high number of potential busts as well. It’s looking to be long on rotation players, short on star power.
I may have over stated that point.
But, this was such a point guard heavy draft that you never know what the end result may be. If one draft accounts for 5 or 6 starters at one of the more crucial positions on the floor, I have a tough time thinking that draft wasn’t great. Evans, Curry, Flynn and Jennings are already starting PGs with Lawson being groomed for Billups and Collison just blowing up in Paul’s absence. If Rubio ever comes over, this may go down as the draft that yielded 7 starting point guards- one of which is a sure fire star.
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and don't forget.
This is draft that gave the NBA , World, Universe Eric Maynor
by betweentheeyes on Mar 6, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
I thought
Eric Maynor gave the Universe to us.
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by section214 on Mar 6, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Uranus
This squad has a loooooooong way to go on defense. They can’t even see the finish line. The finish line is on Mars, basically. Maybe Neptune.
Because you never give up a chance to call up the 7th planet. Ever.
Especially when the game takes a Sadturn
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by section214 on Mar 6, 2010 7:57 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Jimmy Dean to the rescue
Defense looked like this last night.
My favorite part is, “Mars is down.”
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
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Only saw the 1st half
But the pick and roll D was terrible AGAIN.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
With 2 minutes left they still had a good chance of winning
despite the holes on defense. That’s a great sign.
Ba-da
I think you are being a little harsh
While the defense wasn’t great this is a top 5, maybe even top 3 team in the league & the Kings couldn’t stop them? Well no S. A few weeks ago this could have been a 127-106 blowout & no one would have been suprised. The team is trying. The effort is there IMO.
Now don’t get me wrong. Watching Kidd & Roddy take & make wide open 3s made me sick everytime. I have no problem with switching on defense but does this team need to double team players all the time? I think it kills us. Let the guys play man to man & if the can’t atleast stay in front & get a hand in the face PW needs to take them out. I am so tired of this team leaving players wide open to double. This is the NBA. Most players should be able to hit a wide open jumper.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Mar 6, 2010 8:50 AM PST via mobile reply actions
This line struck me as funny-
This is the NBA. Most players should be able to hit a wide open jumper.
Jason Kidd learned this skill at age 34. Talk about a guy redefining himself late in his career. Hopefully Reke doesn’t take this long to learn how to shoot.
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Yeah I know that's why I said "most"
But how many times has this team turned average players into stars by leaving them wide open? Roddy & CJ Watson come to mind off the top of my head.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Mar 6, 2010 9:12 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
But it is encouraging to know that a guy can continue to grow even later in his career.
Nash redefines what aging is for a basketball player.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Weren't we letting Noce...
guard Nowitski one-on-one most of the time? I don’t see double teaming as an issue in and of itself. It is quick rotations out of the double team, and leaving the wrong players unguarded that becomes problematic. Let’s face it too, we are in the dog days of the season. Players are not at that most chipper, though adding a couple new pieces in Landry and Cisco has given the team a new spark and bounce to their step, that an otherwise 21-41 team would not have.
The breakdowns that I see most often are playing solid D for 15 to 20 seconds but then unable to secure a defensive rebound. Give a team like the Mavs, or any team really, second and third chances and they will score. And take quick, ill-advised shots are on one end, and you become vulnerable to transition on the other.
A teams defensive effectiveness is not as simple as drawing up the best scheme, whether to double or not, man up or zone, and then executing it. Taking smart shots so as not to jeopardize floor balance, and limiting multiple chances on the same possessions, correlate highly into points surrendered.
Carl Landry has made a big difference in regard to high percentage looks. In the last 5 games (without JT and with Carl playing 38.2 minutes a game) the Kings are 3-2. We are scoring 98.2 points vs. 98.6 allowed, for a differential of -0.4. This compares to a season long differential of -4.5 points, and scoring around 94 points. In other words, with Landry as our starting PF, and with JT sidelined, we are scoring 4 points more a game, and have cut our point differential by 4 points a game. In short, we are more competitive.
This is a small sample size, but reason to be encouraged, regarding the trade and direction of the team. And it speaks to my point that simply minimizing mistakes, limiting bad shots, bad TOs, bad possessions, will give you a chance in the 4th quarter. Hell, we won a road game shooting 32%! I think this team has turned a corner towards respectability. We could routed on Sunday versus OKC, and all the recent progress will be temporarily forgotten. But I doubt it. Games like we saw against the Mavs are more likely the rest of the year. We have our first real low post threat since Ron-Ron, and this goes a long way to keeping scores close.
by bench_blob on Mar 6, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ron-Ron's low post game...
12 seconds of dribbling, a series of quick fakes that resemble a seizure, and ending with an awkward little jumper that he somehow hit a decent rate.
Good analysis bench blob
You obviously are a better basketball mind than I am & just saw things a little more closely. It just pisses me off when players get wide open shots however that comes about.
I love beating dead horses.
Small and fast guards
We lost some guard depth following the trade. The smaller and faster guards definitely give us fits now. We lost two guards in Martin and Rodriguez that, while not great defenders, were at least quick enough to stay in front of the super fast guys.
Beno does OK on a lot of the guys, but the super quick ones, like Beaubois, are going to kill us until we have somebody a lot quicker. I like Temple, but just don’t see him as quick enough…
Having not really seen the whole game (i'm kinda watching the replay)
Why did Spence only play 17 minutes?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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Because if an opposing coach doesn't play a traditional center
PW won’t play Spencer.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Yeah that makes sense.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
D and O are better overall without Kmart.
I am surprised that PW and Petrie (or whoever drove the move) were correct in dealing Martin for Landry. Landry really is an overall better, post version of Martin. Landry is efficient, more clutch, fills a need in the post on O, at least a bit helpful on D, and has opened up the backcourt for a better working duo. The Kings are better with Landry.
Now, how is JT going to fit in. Finally, props to Hawes for getting 9 boards despite playing time. Good job by Reke finding people with more regularity, but he needs to/and will learn to not force his drive so much when it’s not there. Particularly in the clutch.
JT is in his second year and his role and talents are still in development
I don’t think any of us can yet accurately predict what level of player JT can be – starter, sixth man, 9th man, maybe we can agree that he will not be a “star”. . The one thing that JT has that allows us this confusion – he has drive. He wants to get better and he has skills. The ingredients exist, how the recipe will cook is hard to tell because he is still “in the oven”.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 6, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Thats a good point.
I still like what JT brings, and the potential he shows. He could really take off in his 3rd year. He went thru a rough stretch, but he has a very good jump shot, and can really bring good rebounding and hustle for us.
If JT can really learn how to play tough D every night, without getting cheap fouls, and rebound like he can, he is a very valuable asset.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
feet and hands
If he can learn to position those size 20s and both strengthen and soften those mitts he will shine brightly.
It is a bit like asking a singer to hold high notes and know their range – if they can do it they are “big time” Has JT shown that ability but he needs development time or will he always be a Tito to the Micheal Jacksons of the NBA? At this point, repeat it is his second season, I am content that he appears committed to giving it his best shot.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 7, 2010 8:00 AM PST up reply actions

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