Another Crazy, Hypothetical Trade Scenario
OK, before I get too far along, I want to preface this by saying that this is just something I am throwing out there, and before everyone makes a snap judgment and starts screaming for my head (he's a witch, buuuuurrrrrrrn him), please at least hear me out.
So here goes: If we were to get the first pick in the draft, I propose we trade the pick. Ha, Ha, that's rich, R-Man. He said what? Are you kidding me? Trade John Wall? You, sir, are a jackass. John Wall is a franchise player, once in a generation kind of guy. You don't pass on that. You never pass on that. You, R-Man, are a bonafide idiot. Yes, yes, and yes. We are in agreement on all points.
So why would anyone think of trading that caliber of player if we were lucky enough to get the first pick? For better or worse, here is my thinking: I have watched John Wall play and a few things are very apparent. In a nutshell, he is almost impossible to stop in the open court; he is a willing passer although he rarely makes those around him better with his passing; and he has a jumper that runs hot and cold. Sound familar? His strengths and weaknesses are very similar to Tyreke's, and I'm not sure that the two of them would be a good fit.
Is John Wall a good (potentially great) player? Yes. But then again, so was Kevin Martin, and Tyreke and Kevin didn't work all that well in the same backcourt. I wanted to be patient and stay the course, but when I watched the Kings, it was very clear to me that the team played much better when Tyreke was paired with Beno. Is Beno a better player than Kevin? No, I don't think so, but the team is better when he is paired with Reke because his game compliments Tyreke's better. This line of thinking is what got me noodling on what we could get for a player like John Wall if we were to luck out in the lottery, and here is what I came up with.
I would be happy to leverage Wall for a young, proven big. Brooke Lopez comes to mind, but I can't see it happening, so I have come up with a trade that is sure to be unpopular with most, but one that I think would make the squad better. John Wall and Andres Nocioni for Stephen Curry and Anthony Randolph (or the W's 1st round pick this year).
Why would I do this? First, I'm a big fan of Curry and I think he would be the perfect back court mate for Tyreke. He's a very underrated passer, and he has the ability to stretch the defense with his outside shot. He is basically a player very similar to Beno in that he can play the point or shooting guard, but he is younger, cheaper and more talented than Beno, and I think he could be an All Star caliber player.
Secondly, I think Anthony Randolph is a potential star as well, and we would be buying low in his case. He is an extremely athletic 6' 10" player that would be perfect along a less athletic big (Spencer comes to mind). He would immediately become our best shot blocker (mostly weak side blocks) and he is great at rebounding outside his area. He can also handle the ball like a guard and jump like a gazelle. His problem to date is that he has had a run of bad luck with injuries this year (a badly sprained ankle), and he hasn't endeared himself to Nelson (which isn't all that unusual), so I think he could be had in the deal.
Lastly, we get rid of Nocioni's contract, which puts us in position to be able to sign a superstar. This may not happen, of course, but we would have cap space, and we would be two or three players deep with young talent at most positions, making us a desireable trade partner for teams looking to do a sign and trade.
Why would the W's do it: they need a star and Wall could be that player. Also, Nellie would love a player like Nocioni in his system. Hell, Noce would probably end up playing center for that squad.
So there it is. A lot of time and effort spent debating the trade of a draft pick we are probably not even going to have.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Too soon, my friend, too soon.
If you try to fall into the cesspool that is prediciting draft possessions, then throwing that onto the hypothetical trade arena, you’re just piling yourself on for a lot of hurt. Relax for a little bit, enjoy the college bball while it lasts, and once the kids seasons are over, and the W/L columns start being settled, then we’ll start considering this type of discussion. But right now, our likelihood of drafting 1st is somewhere in the ballpark of our likelihood of drafting 15th, so you know… wait a little bit.
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Agreed. Too early to position ourselves for the draft.
Better to just make a post, and add your opinion of Wall to the hundreds that have already been voiced.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Golden State wouldn't swap Curry for Wall
Why? Curry is just as much of a potential star as John Wall. Who knows? Wall could turn out to be a draft bust while Curry is already proving himself. And throwing in Anthony Randolph in exchange for a bad contract just makes it worse. Ellis and Curry in Golden State’s backcourt is working just fine anyway.
by White Brocklate on Mar 6, 2010 11:02 PM PST reply actions
Even Golden State wouldn't screw that up. They would trade Curry for Wall in about 3 seconds...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
They'd probalby have to give the Kings their draft pick this year too
The last time a #1 was traded was Chris Webber, and it took 3 #1 picks, plus Orlando’s 3rd pick that Year (Penny Hardaway) for the trade to happen.
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Something tells me that Brocklate is being sarcastic.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
I don't think so...
There are a lot of folks out there that like Curry and he is a more proven commodity. That being said, Wall could be the next big thing.
If Wall turns out to be the next CP3, the Dubs should have pulled the trigger. If he turns out to be the 2nd coming of Steve Francis, it is a bad deal for the Ws.
What team in their right mind with the rights to John Wall in the summer trades him for Stephen Curry?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Me, I might do that trade
Wall and Noce for Curry, Randolph and GS #1?
Yep, I just might be that idiot.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Mar 8, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
But its chicken before the egg stuff
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 8, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Something tells me you're never going to become a GM lttg.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
(And you're not an idiot.)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
Its essentially a 1 for 3 player deal
what would GS’s pick be? #4? Wall for Curry, Randolph and Favors?
I’d have to think about it and just might do the deed.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 8, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Do you trade Derrick Rose for anybody in this draft if you're Chicago?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
You trade anyone except LaBron James
(maybe a few others)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 9, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
If you think Wall is better, then you do.
Rose is a good player, an All-Star, but I’m not sure he’s a superstar. If you think Wall is a superstar, then you pull the trigger.
It would, admittedly, take someone with a huge set of balls, but if you really believe Wall is a once in a generation player, you have to make the deal.
I have a hard time believing there is any argument that John Wall will clearly be better than Tyreke Evans.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
In a Heartbeat
Curry and Evans together would be UNREAL!! I would do it without the pick coming from golden state. I would even take Biendris contract for Noc just to make it happen
I don't think you are going to get nearly that much for Wall...
…but I might be wrong.
I would love to get Curry and lose a contract, or gain a #1, or get Randolph. To do all three would be unbelievable.
I am guessing the because AR has worn out his welcome that he might be easier to get included in the deal than the pick.
I keep hearing Anthony Randolph is a potential star
but don’t stars usually show a little stardom in their first two years? I guess JT & Donte are potential stars too. They have shown just as much as Randolph has. I could be wrong of course as the emergence of Andray Blatche has shown but that is rare. That bieng said I would do this trade but I don’t think GS will. Maybe if we gave them JT or Hawes with Wall. They have enough salary. You really think they are going to take back Noce with Maggette still on the team?
I love beating dead horses.
no way
The warriors would never give up steph and randolph. I know i’m a fan of the warriors go on their blog and see the love affair. Now if you said monta ellis than they would think about it. But then as kings fans we don’t want monta him and tyreke would never work together. The warriors wouldn’t give up on anthony randolph they think he could become a great great player.
biocon - with all due respect
Golden State of Mind makes as many decisions for the Warriors franchise as SacTown Royalty and Cowbell Kingdom make for the Sacramento Kings combined.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 10, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions

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