Post-Game Thread: Thunder at Kings
by Tom Ziller on Mar 7, 2010 8:45 PM PST
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I know it's not the case
But it sure feels like the Thunder had twice as many possessions. The Kings rebound poorly- it’s not news. But it is f*cking frustrating sometimes. Fun game though.
Hawes needs to try harder.
I don’t get it, the dude just doesn’t work to get position at all. Two rebounds in 24 minutes of play against smaller players in horrible. I’m glad Thompson is back so we can get a good look at the Thompson/Landry front court for the next 19 games.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Agree 100%
Spencer needs to try harder… Scratch that. Spencer just needs to try for the rebounds, as for the most part, it isn’t even a matter of working harder to get them. Heck, he is taller than the other guys, in some cases, he just has to be in position and reach up.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
4 boards.... Were gunna need more than that
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
boards boards boards
we need to get those late game defensive boards. we’ve been killed in these last games with not getting em late. maybe put spencer in a suit for first half the game so he gets fired up for the second half and wants to prove himself
by larry_funderburke on Mar 7, 2010 8:58 PM PST reply actions
Or maybe tell him he has to make so many rebounds the first half or he doesn't get to play the second half.
Better yet, give each rebound he makes worth so many minutes toward his next game.
Spencer Hawes minutes-per-game and rebounding stats for the season:
Average minutes per game = 26.6
Rebounds: Offensive = 2; Defensive = 4; Total = 6
So lets say each rebound he makes is worth 3 minutes. If he makes his average of 6 rebounds, he earns 18 minutes, but if he makes 10 rebounds then he earns 30 minutes for his next game. That would give him an incentive to make more rebounds. The measly four he made last night would earn him 12 minutes.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Simple game
Rebounds and free throws. That was the game right there.
The encouraging thing, to me at least, is that these two areas will, most likely, improve with the addition of talent.
It was good to see us go ‘til the end with this very good young team. They’re a bit ahead in the process but I can see a good rivalry developing in the next 2-3 years.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Mar 7, 2010 9:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions
And the officials.
Collison goes over the back and knocks it out of bounds and it is Thunder ball. Tyreke gets fouled and all we get is a T on him? I have not seen a game this one-sided since we played the Lakers. I got sick watching this game.
The Kings got a lot of calls too
No complains about the refs from my seats. They did not affect the outcome of the game imo. Missed free throws and lack of defensive rebounding did
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Mar 7, 2010 9:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
I saw the same thing at the arena. Actually early it looked like the Kings were getting some calls that they probably didn’t deserve but that changed in a hurry.
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 7, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of the Fakers
Does anybody besides me get sick of Kobes flailing elbows and cheap shots, that bs he pulled on Barnes would have gotten 80% of the league a technical. Also can they call the illegal screens on that team for once??
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
Oh yeah
I get sick of Kobe, period. He’s a physical player and he gets away with a lot because of his superstar status. That’s true of other players as well, but Kobe seems to be the worst. I felt bad for Barnes in today’s game. Thank God the Magic pulled out a win, with Barnes hitting a huge three. I loved his intensity and the fact that he wouldn’t back down. But yeah, Kobe certainly deserves to get called way more often than he does.
Kobe? He didn't get away with nearly as much as Pau.
Gasol was trying to start something with Howard for most of the second half and until he got called for an obvious flagrant foul all of the calls were going his way – it was terrible officiating.
True story
I was just talking about Kobe and Barnes, not the other players. But yeah, Gasol was all over Howard. I think the most absurd thing was when Howard got called for what I believe was his 4th foul at the end of the 3rd. Gasol was all over him and doing enough to be assessed an offensive foul, and Howard literally did nothing. Hands up, trying to free himself from Gasol, and somehow he was called for a foul. And it resulted in Gasol hitting 2 free throws. It was ridiculous. I literally wanted to scream. Thankfully those two points wouldn’t have made a difference in this game, but had the Lakers won I would’ve been even more pissed than usual. Haha.
I also want one new frontcourt starter minimum.
WE need someone who can grab 10+ rebounds a game.
The draft is your friend
Patience
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Mar 7, 2010 9:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
agreed
however, I’ll bet you that GP is going to trade the draft pick. The Kings have the youngest team in the league, I find it hard to believe that the answer to the team’s woes is to get younger.
by Pollard4LIfe on Mar 7, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Two things
First, if we had someone who could grab 10+ boards a game we would be a much better team, obviously. We’re just not there yet; it’s part of the process.
Second, 10+ rebounders in the L this year:
Howard
Z-Bo
David Lee
Marcus Camby
Chris Bosh
Tim Duncan
Boozer
Gerald Wallace
Andrew Bogut
Haywood
That’s 10 out of 30 teams. They don’t grow on trees either
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Camby = Too old
For this team… can’t build around Camby…
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 7, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed for a 2-3 year deal
But I was thinking for a 1 year rental to see what develops with Hawes, JT and possible a big in the draft
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
We also have Landry
So next year (and if we draft a big) we have JT, Spencer, Landry, and the draftee.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I would like to see this, too!
As much as I get frustrated with JT and to a lesser extent Spencer (he has been playing better lately, except for his crappy rebounding last night), I would like to see them stay on next season so see how they develop. Earlier this season, I was calling for Spencer to be traded, but he has shown that he has the potential to be a good center. I am very frustrated with JT’s marginal improvement this season, but have not ruled out that it could come together for him next season. He does try hard, but he needs to develop more finesse in his defense and use his head more than his brawn, when handling the ball.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
So will Lee
but my point wasn’t about grabbing one of those guys. Just pointing out that it’s not so common to have a 10+ rebounder on your team. I actually think we have a very good chance to grab that type of big in the draft. Favors, Cousins, maybe even Ed Davis, or Whiteside, and my favorite and my sleeper, Ekpe Udoh.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Ekpe Udoh?
Wow. Did anyone ever see that old article from the onion during the recall election? Check it! “Dave Grayvis” hehe… Is Ime Udoka trying to get re-drafted?
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 7, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Ime Udoka passes to Ekpe Udoh who kicks is out Udrih for 3
I dont think peaches could handle it
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
Haha
The way I feel about Udoh is the same way I felt about Blair last year, so I gotta trust ‘the’ feeling
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
especially if he has knees..Man Blair woulda looked great on this team
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
70's porn stars called and wanth their mustache back
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
No on Cousins...
and don’t forget Larry Sanders…
by getPGwithbounce on Mar 8, 2010 12:51 AM PST up reply actions
In vote "No" on Cousins too.
Right now I want to hear either Favors’ or Whiteside’s name called.
Larry Sanders is interesting but the Kings are almost certainly gonna be selecting in the top 5. Sanders is a borderline lottery pick I think.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
I understand the concern with Cousins
& I really like Whiteside with the 5-10 pick but I’m sorry you just don’t pass on the most talented big man in the draft. A legit center who could play next to Landry, Hawes, or JT. Cousins is the real deal on the court. That being said if GP passes on him it should be for good reason unless he picks an offensive, poor rebounding/defense big man which doesn’t seem to be his current style. Past style yes. A good coach & a real team leader in Tyreke might do him well.
I love beating dead horses.
Don't forget Noah
Injured right now but averaging 11.4 unless my fantasy stats are wrong.
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 7, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Still
Your point is valid. Do they make images for valid points?
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 7, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
You're correct
Add Noah, Pau Gasol, and Kevin Love to that list.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
And no, but you can use the 'your point is invalid' one
I’ll be honored to take it
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
...
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 8, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
Perimeter D
Hawes could get about 5 more boards a game if he was not busy trying to help on players penetrating with way too much ease. Part of the rebound issues are poor help d and poor perimeter d.
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
The whole team
Has problems boxing out. Spencer is the easy target as this thread will likely show but really it is a team problem.
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 7, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
At least 3 dunks in the second half
were from put backs where Spencer had to help the defender and almost got the block. He actually altered the shot but no one ‘help rebounded’.
I don’t want to become an Spencer apologist either (2 boards is not ok) but it’s not just his fault and people need to stop getting on the guy every chance they get.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Mar 7, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hawes' effort a joke. And JT needs to get his head out of his ass when it comes to fouls.
I think JT needs another year to see what he’s going to be, or the direction he’s going, but the first thing he does after coming back is foul and bitch about it. Shut the F up JT and play ball. I don’t understand why he can’t figure it out yet. Same with Hawes and his inability to box out. Those two gotta’ quit standing around and put a body on someone.
Hawes effort was fine
Facilitating the offense and helping out on other people’s guys for 2 blocks in 24 minutes. He also came out of the gate with 3 great assists. The guy just isn’t a low post / rebounding center.
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 7, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
True. I will back off a bit on Spencer.
He did do some good things, but there is no excuse for a center of any kind not getting at least 5-6 boards a game.
How can you back off a C who played 24 minutes and 2 rebounds.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
I feel your frustration
But look a few threads up at Ed’s comment, Spencer get caught trying to help other guys blown assignments and gets out of position because nobody rotates. Part of it is a team fail
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
That happened a couple of times but...
come on now. Hawes does not fight for position at all. Look, I’m all for the Kings getting a few blocked shots but Hawes averages 1.0 a game so if he is getting out of position in an attempt to block somebody, he should think again and wait for the rebound. Tonight Hawes had 2 blocks and I know for certain that one of them came on a Jeff Green right elbow move around Landry before the defense was set. Green had a poor angle and may or may not been able to hit the shot any way but Hawes took a high swipe and deflected the ball off the back board only to have his man (Krstic) dunk the put back. We aren’t talking about Dikembe Mutumbo here- if your excuse is that Hawes is trying to block shots then he needs to start blocking more than 1.0 a game.
The tandem of Hawes and Landry is a no go. You can’t start a PF/C combo who average a total of less than 12 rebounds a game unless you just really don’t want to win. Although many here don’t believe that Thompson is the answer either, he is definitely closer to the answer than Hawes is.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
If only JT could consistently hit that 15' jumper, rebound, & cut down on fouls
He could be good next to Landry. He has also shown the ability to pass the ball too.
I love beating dead horses.
Agreed
I probably did not put my statement correctly, I should have talked about the fact he was not staying home. It is a tough call, stay home on his player and get a rebound or allow an easy basket. I guess my point is that Hawes could be a quality player for a while and could be a 15-17 point guy with 7-8 rebounds and 4-5 assists if his supporting cast would defend better. I am not forgiving him but feel he gets made the whipping boy without people recognizing that part of it is because he is trying to help on blown assignments. And yes if we keep landry and hawes we need to have one of them off the bench!
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
I was only backing off on Hawes' performance overall. He did some good things.
But not backing off from chastising Spence for his rebounding inabilities.
It's like watching a one legged ass kicking contest.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Agreed
His teammates are not finding him when he rolls to the basket either
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
Yep...
The team needs to work on pick and rolls. Really the best pick and roll combo on this team right now is Spencer in the high post to a cutting Beno.
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 7, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't see most of the game
But looking at the box score tells me just about everything I need to know. Outrebounded 45 to 33 and 9 missed free throws to their 3? That tells the whole story.
I cant help but think
That this same team can win 12-15 more games next year without a good draft or trade. They will all grow and they will trust each other which will help rebounding and D. Their basketball IQ should grow and cohesiveness will get them some of the games they lost due to inexperience. I see a bright future!!
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
I like what we have
Yeah I mean, this is a YOUNG team! They are already starting to play competitive basketball like earlier in the year. Throw in some maturation and maybe a quality (but NOT OVERPAID!) free agent and next year will be a good year. The year after that, maybe we can get back to the playoffs.
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 7, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of free agency
I wonder how Chris Duhon would play with Reke?
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
Hmmm
That is a guy I never get to watch. My favorite realistic free agent is probably going to be Rudy Gay. There is something I like about his game, I can’t put my finger on it but I think is an all around complete player that could be affordable.
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 7, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Just say no to Rudy Gay
Someone’s probably going to overpay for him anyways. Omri and Donte can replicate his production for much less
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
So.....
Hypothetically we get one of the good power guys out of the draft, we will need a solid 2, who is out there that wont blow up our cap. We still need a very good shooter to compliment what we have or a solid perimeter D guy that can stop the quick gaurds from abusing us.
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
Gay is not a good shooter, that I know t least
and is not a defensive stud either. I haven’t thought abou it who I’d go for, but I do know Rudy Gay is not that player. Just a personal preference
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Gay would be good
For the Kings as he can gaurd 2’s and 3’s.
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
Say nay to Gay
tons of talent not an ounce of team spirit.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 7, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
no,no,no,no,no,no,...
(that’s me continuing your thought Art Monk)
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
HELL TO THE NO
on Duhon.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I hope you are not serious
I can’t tell at this point.
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 8, 2010 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
This
I agree with this point. While I think 12-15 is a bit high (without a significance change) I can see an improvement of 5-7 wins with just this roster. Add a hopefully good draft pick and maybe a signing here or there and we should be getting closer to 35-40 Ws
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Yes, AND
We will have really good spacing and a decent shooting percentage too. We could probably put a “Dorsey, JT, Brockman” Lineup out there and improve in rebounding but I don’t think you would like the scoreboard any better than you did tonight. Even with the rebounding woes the game was there to be won at the end…
Spencer is what he is and so is JT. Hopefully they can both improve in their respective areas of weakness but I don’t see them changing dramatically overnight.
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 7, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Does anyone have any idea why JT is such a terrible center
I like him as a power forward but for some reason anytime he plays center he is just bad. At the beginning of the season when he was our starting PF & was playing great. Ever since he was moved to center it has been all downhill. We also saw this in the summer league when Spencer stiffed the team & didn’t show up.
I love beating dead horses.
for his size he just aint strong enough and the kid thinks too much… and he fouls alot as well
by pakyubai on Mar 7, 2010 10:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I understand he is young & should get better
but that doesn’t explain why he plays really well at PF but is bad at center. Are you saying he should get better in general or at center? He has shown the ability early in the season to possibly average 15 & 10 at PF but has at center it’s more like 10 & 8. I don’t have the numbers in front of me so these aren’t exact numbers but just my ametuer observation.
I love beating dead horses.
because he doesnt have a back to the basket postgame...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
So at PF his 15 ft jumpers work well but he has to have a better post game to play C?
That makes some sense.
I love beating dead horses.
i think who he is playing on the front line with probably effects things a bit too
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
i mean, i thought jt played pretty well tonight. so i'm not really sure where you're going with this...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I totally agree.
Every time he was out of the game, OKC got offensive board after offensive board. It was really quite disheartening to watch Hawes and Landry together. I think the worst part of all of this is that Hawes is playing for a contract extension.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Is it really that bad?
Doesn’t that mean we could maybe resign him on the cheap and hope he reaches his potential on a good contract?
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
He won't get his extension this offseason.
I think Petrie will let him twist in the wind and the give him a QO after next season and then decide where he is as a player. Most of Hawes’ class is going to get screwed by the impending labor unrest but I would make hawes show me that he wants to be an NBA player because right now, I’m not really sure that this is his bag. He wants the fame and the cash but I think he would rather be sitting in a poli-sci course back in Washington.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
Agreed...and I still remember that post a while back about....
Spencer becoming the most overpaid player in 2011.
Is it normal for a starting center to never be there in the final minutes of the 4th quarter?
by getPGwithbounce on Mar 8, 2010 1:01 AM PST up reply actions
Nice selective memory
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
There's 20 teams that would be happy to have Hawes on their roster
at the price his next extension is going to cost.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
You seem
To go on and on and on about this Hawes/Landry = less rebounds = losing thing. It is obvious that the two aren’t stellar rebounders, fine, but do you really think that other lineups really offer a better chance of winning?
Even with the rebounding as weak as it has been they had a chance to win it in the 4th quarter tonight when they were already down 10 or so rebounds so SOMETHING ELSE in the lineup is working. It seems that with this team you can have rebounds or you can have an offense that actually works but not both.Couple that with the “lack of blowouts” which included 3 wins since Hawes and Landry started up after Spencer’s benching and it seems to me that the two starting and getting lots of minutes is the best we can do right now.
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 8, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
Yes- to answer your first question.
Keep in mind that the Kings played almost everyday from the time Landry was acquired until Thompson was injured. Given practice time together, there is no doubt in my mind that the tandem of Thompson and Landry is the Kings best chance to win right now. Thompson rebounds and plays without the ball better than Hawes, two qualities that fit with the game Landry brings to the table.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
With JT and Landry in the game
Landry is useless because we are team “the ball stops after the first pass, presuming there is a first pass”, so Landry will never get the ball.
And while Hawes definitely isn’t a good rebounder, his biggest problem is being the designated helper on defense. When we’re not being beaten on the perimeter all the time (ie Dallas, they shot over us) he gets rebounds, when we play teams that drive by our guys all the time, he doesn’t.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
Playing without the ball.
Well that is debatable. Really though, the Kings may be the worst playing without the ball team in the NBA. How many times do the Kings actually hit open cutters in a game? First off there isn’t a lot of hard cutting and then where there is, nobody tries to find him.
Tyreke is getting better at passing to the wing when going to the basket but I really miss high post passing to cutters. Maybe that is why I am a Hawes apologist? He really can pass and I really admire that in a big guy.
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 8, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
I think Tyreke needs to cut more
He just stands around most of the time he doesn’t have the ball. He could easily get 4-6 more points off cuts for wide open layups a game
I love beating dead horses.
He played fine
First game back & all but you can’t tell me he has gotten better this year than he was last year. If anything he has regressed a little. He was once thought of as our PF of the future, now I don’t know. Obviously the front office has doubts thus the trade for Landry. I just don’t see how you don’t see where I am going with this.
I love beating dead horses.
i think what the kings' big men need is to learn under a guy that actually played consistent defense and played in meaningful games... not shareef
i mean what does shareef tell them?
this is how you fill the stat sheet on a losing team?
this is how you don’t play defense?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Wait a minute Trojan
You “niced” yourself? That’s funny & awesome at the same time. I don’t know why.
I love beating dead horses.
He niced you unless my up button is borked.
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 8, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
It might have been a mix up
Sometimes I reply to someone & it looks like I’m replying to someone else or replying to myself. It just looked funny to me
I love beating dead horses.
i think i was trying to nice something else in teh thread but it went there for some reason. i dont know.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Look here-
He is about equal as a C or PF. He is better on offense as a C and better on defense as a PF but he number equal out to a 15.9 PER either way.
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
What about
Out of the top 10 top 5 man floor units Jt is PF in 8 of them. Doesn’t that mean a little more than PER? Forgive me I’m not a huge advanced stats guy so it is a genuine question.
I love beating dead horses.
about spencer
i dont think spence should get all of the blame. the box score may say he didnt get many boards, well that was because he was trying to challenge shots that our perimeter players allowed to get in at will and part of it was the bad rotation on defense…. boxing out their men and gang rebounding would have helped us out alot….
by pakyubai on Mar 7, 2010 10:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Should have attacked Durant more...
He didn’t really put much effort into defense and the Kings should have exploited whenever he was guarding Donte or JT.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
i'm sick
of people saying no one wants to play in sac or that no one big will ever come here. if you were a chris bosh type guy with all the buzz around tyreke why wouldn’t you want to play for sac? would you rather play in a bigger market with a team that is struggling or help a team get over the top (sly stallone shout out)? we just need someone that can grab boards and stuff the lane…also a new arena…so I hope they both get here soon.
by larry_funderburke on Mar 7, 2010 11:01 PM PST reply actions
I was telling my cousin during the game tonight
We should go to the game on wednesday & start some type of Bosh chant. “We want Bosh!” or something like that. Is that lame? Desperate? Maybe, but it would give him a taste of what it would be like playing here next year. I bet ticket sales go up a lot next season if he gets here. It is somewhat of a pipe dream though.(Where did that expression come from anyway?)
I love beating dead horses.
that chant is what I call desperation
but if it puts Bosh in a Kings uniform then I say get after it!
by Pollard4LIfe on Mar 7, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
Google is my best friend
The expession “pipe dream” was coined by some American writer in the 1890’s (Coleridge? I forget) in reference to the psychedellic, dream-like hallucinations one got from smoking opium.
Drugs are bad, m’kay?
by TheFNG on Mar 8, 2010 9:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Reke-o-meter updated
Rebounds are pretty much the only things Reke really needs to worry about if he cares about the 20/5/5. A couple 9+ board games will put him on track.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I understand people are excited about Reke
reaching 20-5-5, but I hope he doesn’t focus on it too much, and instead is busy with winning games, improving himself and the team.
Dunking Dutchman
i just hope he gets better. i could care less about wins at this point
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
i just hope he's humble enough to understand he can't shoot....
we all dream he’s going to endlessly work on it in the offseason. Hopefully winning the ROY won’t go to his head too much or make him think that he has arrived.
He can shoot
He needs to work on consistency. When he falls away, it’s awful…he doesn’t have a fallaway jumper down at all. If you didn’t notice, though, he hit a handful of jump shots, including two threes that counted and one more after the whistle, going straight up and shooting with confidence.
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 8, 2010 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
I see your point Rick
but upping his rebounds would make him & the team better as long as he’s not fighting with his own teammates for them
I love beating dead horses.
The Kings let the opposition run right in and grab all kinds of rebounds, why not Reke?
The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.
i think we're saying basically the same
I’m not saying he shouldn’t get rebounds. I’m just saying he should grab them within the flow of the game, and not because he’s hunting some elusive statline.
Dunking Dutchman
One good thing
Cisco seems to be finding his form. That will help, especially with Omri out of fuel.
Dunking Dutchman
Me too
He was my favorite player for a while. I always wished we could somehow merge Cisco’s swagger, leadership, defensive intensity, clutch plays, & all around big balls-ness with Martins basketball skill & scoring efficiency. I guess then you might have Kobe minus the vagina.
I love beating dead horses.
Kobe's vagina is the source of his power
"Matthews, like so many before, did not expect the Yeti. No one ever expects the Yeti." ~ Ziller
by CaliforniaJag on Mar 8, 2010 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Give OKC credit....
A great young improving core that obviously loves playing together…Solid Coaching…commitment to defense and rebounding….
They got a superstar in Durant, a star in Westbrook, a third scoring option in Green. They also have players who know their roles like Thabo the D specialist, Collison your banger, and a fast improving rookie in Harden, and another raw but promising big in Ibaka….and they have cap space…
I’m jealous
I’ll be rooting for them in the playoffs
Believe it or not
Harden is a fine player too. If he was on a less talented team he would probably be in the ROY race playing starters minutes.
by OrangeLazarus on Mar 8, 2010 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
This game should serve notice to the Kings management that they need to find players who are
long, quick and athletic. The Kings always seem to be a step slow and gravity-bound.
Natomaser
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