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"We were in the game, and you come down and take bad shots?" Evans said of the situation. "That's not team basketball. Coach didn't say nothing, so I thought I had to step up (and say something).

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Might as well be me who posts this.

Guess you could say that’s as damning a piece of evidence as you would need.

Tyreke has never pushed anyone under the proverbial bus (and I think he might regret these words) but the fact of the matter is…it’s Tyreke’s team now. If he thought Nocioni was taking bad shots, then he is right to call him out.

In Nocioni’s defense, there were times early this season when he’s hit the big (and crucial) shot but that hasn’t happened in a while and I certainly don’t see why it should start happening now.

Noce has to play smarter and get along with Tyreke better. If not, he might as well put on a suit and his best K9 impersonation.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Mar 8, 2010 2:28 AM PST reply actions  

I wonder if anyone things PW should bench Evans

for this implicit criticism of the coach? Maybe it will teach Evans to understand his role.

Yes, I was kidding. I don’t mind Reke stepping up and take ownership of the team on the floor. If he’s going to be the leader, he has to step up sooner or later. But he also has to understand that with leadership comes responsibility. And that responsibility includes knowing what to say about teammates in the press and what not….

Dunking Dutchman

by RikSmits on Mar 8, 2010 4:59 AM PST reply actions  

95% of Nocioni's shots

are very bad shots…it was about time someone told him to stop doing it

"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan

Go Kings!

by Panzerfaust on Mar 8, 2010 5:16 AM PST reply actions  

98% of Bobby Jackson's shots were bad shots...

and he got his own Subway plush doll. I haven’t always given glowing reviews of Nocioni but let’s be honest here; he is what he is and what he is, is a bench scorer who comes in and tries to get his 10 points. Noc plays D, he rebounds a little but his role is to get the ball up and into the basket. I hope for Reke’s sake that he has this same conversation with Donté Greene or he’s going to come off as an inconsistent leader.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Mar 8, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

A 20 year old inconsistent? Shocking.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Intersting statement.

Maybe this is all lost in the conversation but you are right, it is very hard for a 20 year old to be consistent. The problem is, most 20 year olds don’t make 3 million + a year and lead a group of millionaire 20-32 year olds around the country playing basketball. I’m not making an argument here, I’m kind of wondering- when is a 20 year old not really a 20 year (and no, I don’t mean when he turns 21).

I’m glad that Tyreke is taking ownership of the Sacramento Kings, it is a very tough quality to find in an employee, regardless of age. I would just caution that if Evans wants to be the man, that he is the man with everybody and that he builds an infrastructure/hierarchy within the locker room. Maybe we need to kick in and buy Evans a copy of The One Minute Manager. Again, I am excited about this development, I just want Evans to have credibility and to get that, he has to earn it.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Mar 8, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

LeBron was not the leader or winner or player at 18 that he was at 23. Just saying.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

(And LeBron could have been better at 18 than he was. Just saying....)

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Also

Let’s not compare a regular business to the NBA. They aren’t the same. What’s leadership in a standard workplace where you & I would end up JJ is not the NBA workplace. It’s a totally different dynamic.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

A leader is a leader Pook, regardless of where they work.

The same goes for a hard worker. Read my post again, I’m not indicting Tyreke, I just know that the fastest way to loses credibility with your people is to be inconsistent and also to ask someone to do something that you wouldn’t do yourself. If this 20 year old dude wants to lead men, then he should know some of the basic ground rules to leading if he wants to be successful.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Mar 8, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

There is a huge difference in context. That's the point.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Your both right

To put JJ"s point in context I work at a sub shop, and when I’m the one in charge I wouldn’t get on someone for how they cut the food on the grill, and then turn around and do that same thing, or ignore the same issue when another person does it. It undermines the trust of the first employee as me as a leader, and makes them think you play sides.

With that said Pookey is right, grilling up a cheese steak during the lunch rush is quit different than executing an offensive set at the end of a fourth quarter.

by Gilo424 on Mar 8, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly Gilo. But I bet the Subs you make are pretty good most of the time. Except when they aren't or the customer is an idiot and orders something they didn't know they'd like ahead of time.....

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

What type of sandwich would a pick and role be?

In all seriousness, this line:

But I bet the Subs you make are pretty good most of the time. Except when they aren’t[…].

is awesome.

I don’t know which side of this argument I am on yet, but it’s interesting to read.

"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine

by tomroadrunner on Mar 9, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

The NBA is not real life, unfortunately

Take Stephen Jackson as an example. Where else in the world would someone with his background and personality be able to keep a steady job, much less excel? There are very few fields where being extremely good at what you do can outweigh almost all of your shortcomings— finance, business and politics all come to mind— and besides politics, none of those categories come close to pro sports, where so much money and happiness ride on so few people, and fans know exactly who to blame when things go wrong.

The point: the rules you and I live by fly out the window when the stakes are this high and you’re in a employment market that’s a true meritocracy.

by bartenpa on Mar 8, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Great point

If Tyreke is mature enough to go out and criticize his grown men coworkers in the press then he should be mature enough to be held responsible for the consequences good or bad. I don’t think Tyreke’s comments are the end of the world, but I think they are worrisome. There are certain things I expect the leader of my team to do, and calling out his teammates in the press for being a chucker is not one of them. I’m not willing to just give him the out that he is young. If he wants to lead, lead.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 8, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

He didn't call Noc out though.

He replied to a question that was asked in regards to the argument he was seen having with Noc in the huddle. Subtle difference? Yes, absolutely. There’s a huge difference between what I just said and what you said hleb.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll admit I haven't read the interview

And that’s because I don’t think its that huge of a deal. I just don’t want to give the kid a pass because of his age. He has the talent to be a top 5 player in the NBA, but whether or not he gets there will be determined by his attitude. But like I said, I don’t really know the context of this quote, nor do I find it important enough to look up. So I’m not too worried, I just don’t want us to constantly use age as an excuse.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 8, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Fine.

But that has nothing to do with my comment. Age has nothing to do with the context of the question and how Tyreke phrased it.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

True

It was in reference more to your 20 yo inconsistent point. You’re right about context.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 8, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

He didn’t come out pushing an agenda, he just saw an opening and took it. It allowed him to take some of the high ground while simultaneously sending the message to Noce that he’s the new sheriff in town.

by bartenpa on Mar 8, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

We've been waiting for a vocal floor leader

seems like we got one.

"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson

by Bluejohn on Mar 9, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Then we manage to complain that he's not vocal the way we want. Gotta love fandom!

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Mar 11, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Nocioni was pretty frustrating

If those shots are wide open, it’s one thing. But he took a few contested jumpers early in the shot clock. Those are bad shots, and if you are going to take them, you’d damn sure better make them.

But the problem with this quote (and no, I haven’t read the whole thing in context yet) is more the criticism of Westphal than the criticism of Nocioni IMO.

Hawes would probably be looking at a 3 game suspension if he said this.

"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty

by otis29 on Mar 8, 2010 5:39 AM PST reply actions  

Well Nocioni has said he wants off this team....

as quoted in a fanpost from yesterday. Something about playing poorly and missing his bus…and his ticket out of Sacramento. So I can understand the long term players throwing him under the bus, but Tyreke talks to the media too much about his coach and his players, he needs stop it before his teammates start thinking of him in an unsavory light. He needs to get his ego in check just like Omri has.

Hope

by Ultrakingsfan on Mar 8, 2010 7:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought that was an interesting coincidence too.

You missed the bus? Let me throw you under it. Now you know your role. He was right to do what he did, but probably wrong to talk about it in the press. Somehow I don’t see PW doing anything about it, though they may talk in private. I think the jab about PW not doing anything may get to Westphal though.

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Mar 8, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I may have misunderstood it

I didn’t take Noce’s bus comment as wanting out of Sac per se, but as not capitalizing on his playing time, or at least not doing what was needed with that time. I guess I missed something!

by lead_pipe on Mar 8, 2010 9:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I thought the same

"You know what I consider mentally weak? Using your audience to settle a grudge with someone who had the audacity to publicly call you on your sh*t. The only thing more offensive is that Napear thinks we're all too stupid to see it for what it is." - TZ, Sactown Royalty

by otis29 on Mar 8, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

It's hard to get off the bus when it's going 7 million miles an hour for another two years.

IMO, Noc and Reke and Westphal and GP need to get down to the CPK (California Pizza Kitchen for those of you who don’t have neighbors from Southern California) and figure out a way for Nocioni to fit into the puzzle. I find it really strange that I think Noc could play an important role on the Boston Celtics but he can’t break through on a 21 win team. Personally, I want the Kings to lose a few more games this season so I am happy to see Noc on the bench because for all of his faults, he is still a top 6 or 7 player on this team. Next season, Noc will be a King and the season after, Noc will be a King and he is a quality enough player to have a role here.

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by jjham15 on Mar 8, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed

If were paying these guys big bucks, at Least TRY and make them earn it, Same with Cisco and Beno. and its working, Beno’s contract hasnt looked as bad as late.

by chenp22 on Mar 8, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Noce mean a literal bus out of Sactown.

When Noce said that thing about the bus, he said something like “in the NBA, the bus goes really fast”. I think he equates the “bus” to opportunities to excel, chances to become a star, become a champion even…

He thought he had a bus to the championship with the Bulls but he got switched to another bus…with the Kings, he had a chance to ride a bus into full time starter role, which he blew by playing horribly.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Mar 8, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

All this Reke mania gone to his head?

BTW UKF, can you post a link to the fan post claiming Noc wants out of Sac?

by KingsFan on Mar 8, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I read

Nocioni not happy with his own performance. Nothing more.

by KingsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

+100

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Mar 8, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

In agree

I never thought the Bus meant out of Sac, But I still thought it was funny—in a sad way—that the day after he made the comment, Tyreke threw him under the bus.

"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"

Sammyp831.

by SavageBeast on Mar 9, 2010 7:35 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Mar 8, 2010 7:32 AM PST up reply actions  

God I love you.

"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine

by tomroadrunner on Mar 9, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously Noc was taking horrible shots

But you don’t go to the media about it. Still a rookie.

by nbrans on Mar 8, 2010 8:02 AM PST reply actions  

Couldn't Noc say the same thing about Evans when...

he shoots anything other than a lay-up?

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by jjham15 on Mar 8, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Even some of Reke's layups are suspect

when he goes against a triple team and gets a charging call.

by KingsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Say what you will

Even being the known go-to scorer Tyreke is still shooting 46%. He does settle every now and then, but for the most part he attacks the hoop and looks for his teammates. Noc was jacking up horrible shot after horrible shot and any assist Noc has gotten this season has been purely accidental. There’s a difference, and I’m glad Tyreke called him out.

I just wouldn’t have mentioned it to the Bee.

by nbrans on Mar 8, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Noc has been called out before by Beno, and there have be other reports of players not being happy about his play. I especially feel he is one of the worst defenders off screens and pick & rolls on the team.

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by HighTops on Mar 9, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

While I'm happy Evans said something, I find this a bit ironic

Because there are plenty of times where Evans settles for a jumper rather than driving or even running a play.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Mar 8, 2010 8:17 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

THIS

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Mar 8, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Usually wide open shots late in the clock

That is hugely different than contested jumpers early in the shot clock…

by MustangMBS on Mar 8, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Understandable

but he settles too often, which is where the problem is. They’re not the ideal shot you’d have him take. Obviously they’re more ideal than Noc’s, but Evans can get better looks

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by vfettke on Mar 8, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

There isn't a big difference

when you’re the guy that dribbles the ball up the floor, takes 20 seconds off the shot clock without making a pass and then jacks up the jumper.

:-)

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Mar 8, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, that happens too often

His team mates need to move more and get more open. I think the assumption may be he isn’t going to pass and that kills it right there.

by MustangMBS on Mar 8, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

both ways

Not only do his team mates need to move, Tyreke needs to start the offense quicker. Make that outlet pass quick. Beno does it and it creates a rhythm.

by chenp22 on Mar 8, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

He is doing that some now

I have noticed that he gets the ball and moves it upcourt a bit quicker. That said, still way too many slow as you can go possessions and limited passing.

Tyreke’s passes this last game, to Cisco in the corner for 3, are starting to be a bit more integrated into his game. The real problem I have noticed is that I don’t see much integration. He is in either one of two modes: 1) SCORER- Head down driving to the basket, OR 2) PASSER- Head up looking to pass.

Tyreke has to develop a seemless and integrated game. He has to be able to shift between the modes of being a scorer and passer without giving away his intentions. Kind of like playing poker. You get to where a player gives of tells and Tyreke gives off plenty, but I am starting to see some integration.

I look forward to when he can lower his head and appear to be blindly driving to the hoop, only to drop the ball off to a teammate for an uncontested shot. He is 20 and a rookie, it will come and he will get there.

by MustangMBS on Mar 8, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't campare Evans taking jumpers to Noc

I would hardly describe Tyreke as taking jumpers “plenty of times” compared with the habitual shot taking of Nocioni.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Mar 8, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying he does it all the time

but he’s done it enough that its a little ironic for him to harp on Nocioni about not playing team ball. Go look through the game threads and there’s always a few times a game where people make a comment to the effect of “I sure wish Evans wouldn’t have just settled on that jumper.” I didn’t watch much of last night’s game, but I remember commenting sarcastically about how much I love when players dribble around their guy just to step inside the arc and launch a long two pointer. It just so happens that the guy who launced the most inefficient shot in basketball was Tyreke. That wasn’t team basketball. I know he doesn’t do it as much as Nocioni, but he still does it.

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by vfettke on Mar 8, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

He does

take bad shots. But then again, He’s our franchise 20 year old rookie leader and he gets to learn that. Unfortunatly for Noc he’s a Vet. He should know better. We dont want Tyreke thinking he can do what Noc does …Please I Beg..

by chenp22 on Mar 8, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

“We in here talking bout bad shots? Im supposed to be the franchise player, and we in here talking bout bad shots..”

by chenp22 on Mar 8, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

It's true that Evans takes bad shots, at times...

… but I’ve watched a lot of the Chicago Bulls over the last 5 years and Noc has shown bad shot selection for YEARS. I’m sure this isn’t the first time a teammate has told him something about his shooting, it’s just the first time it came up in the media.

by Kevin Conroy on Mar 9, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, and that is the issue.

Everyone here (me included) thinks Evans was right in pointing out Nocioni’s bad shot selection. But should he have said what he said to the press?

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Mar 9, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I love Tyreke

I love the leadership on the court. He probably shouldn’t have said anything in the media though. One thing about this that bothers me a little is there is a little of the pot & the kettle in this one. We have seen Tyreke dribble into 5 defenders during crunch time & throwing up a bad shot or losing the ball once or twice.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Mar 8, 2010 8:19 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Agreed, but...

I agree that Tyreke shouldn’t have talked to the media about this – it quote to the Bee should have been, “We talked during the heat of the game and now it’s over”. With regard to Tyreke taking bad shots though, how many times has be bailed the Kings out in his short career? Does he take bad shots or turn the ball over sometimes – yes, but he has also made a few game winners/coffin nailers in his short time. Hopefully, he will learn from these mistakes and make fewer of them in the future, but right now, I think you have to take the good with the bad. In the least, he has earned the right to do what he does, where Nocioni has not…

"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."

by Mcamp49 on Mar 8, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't complaining Mcamp

Just pointing it out. I love the ball in Tyreke’s hands in the crunch time time. He just needs to recognize it’s not always there. He will get better at that sooner rather than later I believe.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Mar 8, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't think you were complaining...

and I agree with you completely that Tyreke needs to recognize when he should put his head down and when he needs to create for others. I just think that Tyreke is more easily forgiven for this particular sin because of the shots he has made in similar situations, where Noc doesn’t deserve the same consideration. No more, no less…:)

"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."

by Mcamp49 on Mar 8, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

True

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Mar 8, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

Tyreke is now the leader of the Kings, however he needs to lead by example. Yes, he has won a few games with his heroics but he has also been responsible for turnovers late in the game. Defensive teams know he is going to drive up the middle and plug it up. Tyreke needs to learn when to drive and when to use his team mates. He does not seem to be able to “see” the open man or he just refuses to pass off when needed. Of course it is only a matter of time (a year or two) until he develops a pull up jump shot and improves his 3 point range and then he will be almost unstoppable. He has also been guilty of missing critical free throws late in the game. As a team the Kings are lousy at the free throw line and there are several times the game could have been won if a free throw or two had been made….

by Bill2 on Mar 8, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Team Leader

the general consensus was that Kevin was not a leader because he was not vocal. all season long we have annointed Tyreke as the team leader and it seems to me that this is just a case of him flexing that role: saying what needed to be said, seeing the game situation for what it was, and taking the heat for saying it. In fact, this may be looked at later as a maturation moment in his development as a team leader. its time for the team leaders to start holding the team accountable. if your feeling are hurt because Tyreke or someone else didn’t word something right in the media room, get over it and play better.

by gaindeyouth on Mar 8, 2010 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

So far, I haven't seen anything saying Noce was hurt by Tyreke's words.

In fact, Noce has not said one word about this incident, which leads me to believe one of two things: he hasn’t been asked or he hasn’t answered.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Mar 8, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I do not like the fact that this is in the press.

I think the calling out should have been in private. This may end up being the dark side of the blueprint. Tyreke trying to run the entire team to his liking. I wanted to trade Nocioni since I did not think he is in the future plans, but I do not think this is Tyreke’s job.

by mayfieldcol on Mar 8, 2010 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

what he said

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Mar 8, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree it's the dark side of being a franchise player, but not the blueprint.

If Tyreke is indeed that player, we’ll see this happen a few times over the course of the career.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

We just got through with the whole mess of Spencer, Mayes, and Evans saying something to the press. Tyreke should have learned something from that, even though he didn’t have to sit out for a game, as Spencer did. I don’t have a problem with Tyreke saying something to Nocioni in private. Tyreke is the team leader. I think his comments to Nocioni were apropos. But, he crossed the line when he talked about it to the press, especially when he included his coach in his comments.

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by Slam_Dunk on Mar 8, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

In all fairness to Evans

it’s hard not to be goaded into saying certain things to the press. These people are pushing for a soundbite, he’s tired after the disapointing finish of a game. Sjit jappens.

Plenty of stars with more experience have made such mistakes. I think Dwight Howard had a few untimely comments a season ago. Evans must learn to deal with this, but as ypu point out he must also learn from previous mistakes. and that’s why in retrospect PW may have made a mistake by only going after Hawes on that previous matter. Cause apparently Evans didn’t pay too much attention on that one. It’s a pity, but experience and inprovement comes through mistakes and hardship.

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by RikSmits on Mar 8, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I think we should also consider the fact

That Nocioni might not want to hear what Evans has to say in private, because he feels like he’s been around in the league long enough to take those shots, so Tyreke just went ahead and took the nuclear option and put it out there in the open. This team is still in flux, Tyreke is establishing himself, and for better or for worse, Noce needs to either get in line or pack his bags.

by bartenpa on Mar 8, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell, perhaps he's said it to him over and over in private, and Nocioni just didn't give a crap

Good point bartenpa.

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by CaliforniaJag on Mar 8, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

That is what Paul Westphal is for.

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by jjham15 on Mar 8, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

That's pure conjecture that has no factual basis.

Not to mention, it is easily refuted by “No, he has never said anything in private and just unloaded in the press room.”

I know you guys like Tyreke. Hell, I like Tyreke. And, like most here, I think he did the right thing in telling Noce about his bad shot selection. Like them, I feel he shouldn’t have said anything to reporters.

I just wish people wouldn’t make up things to make one or the other look better or make their actions more palatable to the general public.

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by NoceOne on Mar 8, 2010 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

But what if Noc, stole Tyreke’s girlfriend and spit upon the flag? Hmmm? What then? "Reke would have been totally in the right.

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by SavageBeast on Mar 9, 2010 7:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Well...yes....

But what if Reke stole Noce’s girlfriend first, then Noce stole her back and Noce was actually spitting at Tyreke but Tyreke held up the flag as a shield so Noce’s spit hit the flag?

What the hell are we talking about now? :-)

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by NoceOne on Mar 9, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Pack his bags for where?

The dude is untradeable at this point and is under contract for 2 yrs. If Petrie could have traded him, he would have. What has to happen here is a 20 year old rookie and a 29 year old veteran have to make nice and figure out a way to help each other win.

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by jjham15 on Mar 8, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

If Petrie could have traded him, he would have.

Do you know that? We hope that he would have, been whats been coming out of Danny Ainge’s mouth is a different story.

by chenp22 on Mar 9, 2010 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe I'm way out in left field here

But I thought Garcia’s execution in the fourth quarter was atrocious, but nobody said anything about that. It might just have something to do with Garcia’s leadership in the locker room. The players respect him more. This quote may be more indicative of Nocioni’s isolation on the team more than it is of Tyreke’s leadership or the way Westphal coaches, which shouldn’t really be a surprise to anybody. Nocioni looks completely out of place on this team.

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by Neil Manich on Mar 8, 2010 10:39 AM PST reply actions  

he drained a lot of big shots though.

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by TrojanCBB on Mar 8, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I see this as a strong possibility.

Who else on the team is from Noce’s cultural background or age cohort? Who does Noce spend his time hanging with? I think it’s pretty likely that he’s persona non grata in Tyreke’s circle.

by bartenpa on Mar 8, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Noce's new nickname

No-conscious-ioni

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by Dastardly D on Mar 8, 2010 10:46 AM PST reply actions  

What's Noc's PER? 11? 11.5 Tops?

He shouldn’t be the one taking 4 shots in two minutes with the game on the line. Put me on team Tyreke.

by sdfd on Mar 8, 2010 1:24 PM PST reply actions  

No, PW wants Ime to take them

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by HighTops on Mar 8, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm one of those who doesn't really get on Noce that much

But watching him chuck every ball he got last night was a bit frustrating. It seemed like everytime he got the ball, he was looking to shot. While that tenacity is good to have, he wasn’t helping the team in the second half. He did in the first half with some timely shots and good D on Durant, but the second was another story.

I agree that maybe talking about it with the press is not the best thing to do but Reke will learn. He’s saying what many of us feel and if he’s going to be the leader, this won’t be the last time we hear these type of words. Like Pookey said somewhere up there, it isn’t the bad part of the Blueprint, it’s the bad part of being a superstar.

Hopefully he’ll learn and hopefully we won’t make a big deal out of it.

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by edm7 on Mar 8, 2010 5:59 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe the management here can put up the play that preceded the tet-a-tet between Reke

and Noc so we can get an idea of what happened. I don’t recall the play. I would also like to see any video of the bench after the play……Please!!!!

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by Natomaser on Mar 8, 2010 7:12 PM PST reply actions  

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