Kings 99, Timberwolves 108 - We need a Defensive Big Man
(Ed. Note - Ziller accidentally listened to Sportsline1140 yesterday and is now in a coma, so you're all stuck with me for today.)
Another road game, another loss. With last night's loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves, the Kings have finished a disappointing 0-5 on this last road trip (with only 1 road game in Los Angeles remaining). It's definitely not what we had expected from this team going in, especially when the team faced 2 teams with records worse than them (Minnesota and New Jersey) and one with a similar record (Indiana).
As for the game itself, the Kings played bad defense and offense, while the Minnesota Timberwolves shot the lights out. 56.1% from the floor (averaging 44.8% on the year, 24th in league), and 53.3% from 3 (averaging 34%, 23rd in league).
More after the jump.
- The Kings beat the Wolves in a lot of statistical categories: They had more FT's attempted, a lot less turnovers, more steals, more field goal attempts, and less fouls. But when you let the Wolves (or any team for that matter) shoot like they did, and outrebound you, you aren't going to win many games.
- The Kings made Al Jefferson and Darko Milicic look like monsters. Between them, they had 10 blocks apiece (6 for Big Al, 4 for Darko), and they altered a few more shots. It wasn't like they were playing great individual defense (JT shot 7-10 from the floor against Darko tonight), but Landry was pretty much dominated by Big Al, on both ends of the court. Here's one sequence in the 4th quarter, that pretty much summed up Carl's night:
9:33 Al Jefferson blocks Carl Landry's layup 72-91 9:32 Carl Landry offensive rebound 72-91 9:30 Al Jefferson blocks Carl Landry's layup 72-91 9:30 Carl Landry offensive rebound 72-91 9:29 Al Jefferson blocks Carl Landry's layup 72-91 9:27 Carl Landry offensive rebound 72-91 9:26 shot clock violation
- JT and Carl's long 16-23 foot jumper wasn't the problem tonight as Carl shot 6-11 from that range last night and JT was 3-5. Their defense and rebounding however, were. Milicic shot 7-10 from the field, Jefferson was 9-15, and Love was 5-9. All 3 Wolves Big Men had double-doubles, while none of our bigs had more than 7 rebounds. The defense would probably have been improved had Spencer been available, but the rebounding likely would not have. The Kings definitely have to address this issue during the offseason somehow.
- Donté Greene and Noc were on fire from deep last night, going 8-10 from 3 combined. Donté's 3P% is up from 26% last year to just over 38% this year. That's a remarkable improvement, and its most likely because he's taking a lot better shots. Tyreke has helped a lot with his drive and kicks as well. I can see great things in Donté's future if he keeps working on his game. If he improves as much next year as he did this year, look out league.
- Speaking of Tyreke Evans, the kid has really started to figure out this point guard business big time. Although he struggled with his shot again, he consistently found his teammates, and racked up 13 assists to only 1 turnover. Over the last two months, he's been averaging 7.3 assists, and I'm willing to bet its even higher if you count it past the trade deadline. Having Landry on the floor improves the spacing for the team, and Tyreke's able to take advantage of that. But Tyreke still has plenty of work to do on his game, as his iffy shot selection and very poor defense on Corey Brewer last night show.
- Free Throws, Free Throws, Free Throws. Shooting 53.3% from the line is unacceptable. And as good as Donté has been at shooting from 3 this year, he's only been 64.4% from the line this year after being 85.3% last year.
As for the remaining schedule, the Kings will definitely have to bring their A-game if they want to win a couple more before the season ends so as not to finish on a bad note. They are only playing 1 sub-.500 team (the Clippers), but luckily they're mostly at home. Speaking of the Clippers game (on April 8th), if you're planning on going to it, I have been re-scheduled to the XO Communications X-Over Pre-Game show for this game, and it will probably happen around 15 minutes to tip off.
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Did Ziller suffer a concussion?
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
just curious
why is Andres Nocioni “Chapu”? I missed the memo
by TheFifthMookie on Apr 1, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
You can do basic research on your own, right?
This is easily accessible information.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
excuse me for asking
you’re a lot less funny when you’re an ass.
by TheFifthMookie on Apr 1, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Just trying to be helpful.
The Internet is a surprisingly useful tool.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
You're not curious enough to type three words into Google.
So, you mean you’re just mind-numbingly lazy?
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
actually it meant
I was interested in interacting with you on here, someone I thought was funny. Clearly a mistake on my part.
by TheFifthMookie on Apr 1, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
If you want my thoughts on Chapu, I'll tell you, but I'm not going to repeat information that you can easily find.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
You thougth he was funny?
That is the biggest suprise.
by mbcarval on Apr 1, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lazy or...
Just don’t give a s*** to look up one of the worst players in the leagues dumbass nickname. Players that bad shouldn’t even have a nickname. I hope he gets bought out or something so I don’t have to see or your dumb ass “champoo” nickname around here no more.
wow ALOT of bitterness
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Apr 1, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather see "the dumb ass champoo nickname"
than you, around here. But that’s just me
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
good thing I didn't ask you.
Whats your problem anyways?
What's your problem
It’s freaking chapuforyou. Dude hasn’t said a serious thing since he signed up here.
And I wasn’t kidding. I don’t care who you tell this
I hope he gets bought out or something so I don’t have to see or your dumb ass "champoo" nickname around here no more
that’s being a douchebag.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
haha
not angry, just dont like the attitude from chapoo.
Not saying what the stupid nickname is.
Telling people they are lazy if they don’t google it.
I'm fully on the chapu bandwagon, he's a legend around here IMO
But he is an acquired taste, fer sher (TWSS).
I've got squirrels in my pants!
I dont mind his comments,
But to call people lazy for not googling the nickname is rediculous.
LOL Otis
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
At least you're not alone Noce. Know that.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Must ignore him. It's Good Friday here in the Phils...
…and I have to be good and penitent for 2 more days.
There can only be one Noce!
Good call on all points.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I thought it was a StR thing, and the search here just brought up 1000 of your posts.
I just found it buried on a wikipedia page. I’m worse off for knowing tbh. I prefer it being his hooker name. something about whoring out services for $$$$ seems fitting.
by TheFifthMookie on Apr 1, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately
The same can not be said of Nocioni
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
You're right!
He’s not useful.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
The correct response would've been: You're right!
He is a tool.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
A distinction without a difference
But thanks for playing!
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
The lamest ever on STR. What the F is your problem chapu??
Unless you were joking, that was the biggest dick move I’ve seen out here. A member of STR reaches out to you, to connect, and that’s your response? We don’t need that kind of crap out here.
Being a genius is never easy chapu.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
But being an evil genius is.
Now, all I need is some weapons grade uranium so I can make the world piss green for Earth Day! Muahahahahahahahaha!
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.
by elfboy_ on Apr 1, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL Elfboy.
Welcome back.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Thanks. Good to be back. :)
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.
24 7 365 Kings talk is StR. :)
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Well, I figure I should go ahead and answer this since with all the bruhaha it seems to have been forgotten.
There was an old Mexican TV show called “El Chapulin Colorado” (the red grasshopper), that was, and still is, incredibly popular in the entire Spanish-speaking world. He was a bumbling, slightly pot-bellied superhero that would unwittingly save the day in every episode, usually with his giant hammer. His trade mark was to jump out of hiding (he usually had a hilariously bad hiding spot, like behind a skinny tree) and coyly say, “No contaban con mi astucia!” (they didn’t count on my astuteness). Imagine “Bumblebee Man” from the Simpsons in a bright red and yellow costume, and you’ve got it!
Since in Argentina (and Chicago) Nocioni is considered a red-haired folk hero, he became “Chapu”, short for Chapulin.
Jaja! Informacion!
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Apr 1, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
you get a diplomatic and well deserved gold star
by betweentheeyes on Apr 1, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
What? No Carl's Jr. plug?
Tsk tsk tsk. :D
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.
So is that the costume that NoceOne has for his avatar?
This is Black Dynamite for Anaconda Malt Liquor... Once you pop the top, the panties drop
by prowseinthehouse on Apr 2, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
yup yup
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Apr 2, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
this just in
Nocioni is still on the team. We’ll see if the Kings can make progress on this front in the next few months.
This Chapu announcement has been brought to you by your friends at QuickShot Adult Stores:
“If it feels like leather….”
"every once in a while a kernel of truth...uhh... corn is revealed in my usual pile of poop" - betweentheeyes
by debrixtha1 on Apr 1, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
HAHA this is sooooooo hilarious. LMAOSZ LOZLZLZ
Totes rec’d!
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
Are you okay lil chapu?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
He screwed up
This was the perfect day for chapuforyou to bust out a fanpost, throwing off the shackles of his Nocioni-love, and professing his permanent adoration for one Omri Casspi, adding in the threat of a username change to “casspiforme”.
I daresay, it would have been one of the most legendary fanposts in the annals of StR. Grand stories would have been told and beautiful songs would have been written of this great event. Alas, ’twas not meant to be – the opportunity has been lost.
Although “angry chapuforyou” does seem like an April Fool’s joke, in and of itself. :)
I've got squirrels in my pants!
by otis29 on Apr 1, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Despite it being april 1st
I would have fallen for the most bizarre explanation of the “Chapu” nickname, it could have been legendary.
by TheFifthMookie on Apr 1, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You should know that I don't joke when it comes to Chapu.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
It's too bad.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I just realized this is big misunderstanding
I thought all your posts were jokes about Chapu.
by TheFifthMookie on Apr 1, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
You give Lil chapu too much credit.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
well
When I thought it was all a joke, it was really funny. Without that, it’s just weird.
by TheFifthMookie on Apr 1, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
weird is as weird does
chapuforyou is not weird. Just devoted.
by betweentheeyes on Apr 1, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are wierd.
You live in Milwaukee.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Why would you say you live in Milwaukee and really live somewhere else?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
He lives in New Jersey?
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.
Why would I ever say something like that to someone?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
and they spear sturgeon through the ice while drinking copius amounts of beer
That is some strange kind of fun
"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"
LOL Otis.
Good call on chapu missing out.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
April Fools Day is the least humorous day of the year.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
I was only able to watch the 4th quarter
but isn’t Corey Brewer a small forward? Why would Tyreke be gaurding him anyway?
I keep flip-flopping on Beno. I love the way he has played this year & deserves a lot of credit but when he plays with Tyreke the mismatch dies. Tyreke is constantly gaurded by & has to gaurd larger 2s & 3s. I agree that Tyreke does have this PG thing down & he needs a 2 gaurd who can shoot & handle like Beno but has 2 gaurd size. This a real change of opinion from me as I have been in the “Beno is fine. Focus on a big” camp.
We do desperately need another big man. Cole Adrich would be nice. Not a sexy pick but would fill a very large hole nicely. The thing with him is you can play Landry, Spencer, & JT next to him because he is a true center. JT, Hawes, & Landry are all really power forwards. I also like Ekpe Udoh but he is not as big & strong as Aldrich & might get abused for a while in the NBA. Whiteside is a 3-4 year project that we don’t need right now imo.
I love beating dead horses.
Corey Brewer plays SG and SF for the Wolves
He starts at SG.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Well, usually you try to create mismatches on the offensive end, and minimize them on the defensive end. And Tyreke’s mismatch potential isnt just because of his size, it’s about his size combined with his ability to get around guys. It’s not about positionality, per se. So they put a PG on him, Reke outmuscles him…they put a SG/SF on him…then Reke beats that dude off the dribble. At this point he is better taking guys off the dribble than he is at posting up so he might be better off having larger SG-types guarding him—his numbers seem to be better when he plays with Beno…
His numbers are great with Beno you are right
but I was more responding to his bad defense on Brewer. Tyreke is a mismatch on offense with anyone not name Shane Battier but his defense takes a hit sometimes when he has to gaurd 2’s & 3’s. Even though Brewer plays the 2 he is more of a 3 imo. Minny just doesn’t have anyone else to play the 2.
I love beating dead horses.
If Udoh was the second coming of MJ and Clyde Drexler, Majic and Greg Ostertag combined we can't draft him. Sorry
Can you imagine if we resigned Ime what Peaches would do on that rare occasion when Beno, Ime and Epke Udoh were all on the floor together at one time? Your head would explode.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
been on vacation for the past 4 days
So I missed every one of their recent games… Has Brockman gotten some run since he’s been back? Is he still an energetic monster?
by TheFNG on Apr 1, 2010 9:30 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
He drew a few charges last night. He didn't get tons of burn, but he was fairly solid IMO.
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Apr 1, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Tom
I was beginning to wonder if I’d asked a stupid question or something.
Beep, Beep!
by TheFNG on Apr 1, 2010 6:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Really should have done the whole Dalembert trade
Nocioni to Boston, expirings to phili, dalemert to Sac if that was ever on he table that is…
Yeah except he's an expiring next year
Then again Kings are enough under cap to really trade nothing for him
That's good
cause we’ve got a whole bunch of nothings to give in return. But I rather have Iggy. We need opposing D’s to focus defending someone other than Tyreke.
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.
The word was that Boston was worried about Noc's long term salary and chose not to do it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
no way it was the Kings that held up this trade
and no way boston would go through with it
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Apr 1, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
at the time Dalembert wasn't playing and I think Omri/Donte were still unknowns
With KMart being the trade stalled. I’m not sure. I could see boston not wanting to absorb Nocioni’s contract though
The Kings would have done that deal at the time.
Omri in particular was playing very well. Donte was up & down then, but he’s been up & down. He’s consistently inconsistent.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Donte looks like an NBA player this year
but he still has no game off the dribble – and those FTs (sigh)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Donte could be awesome if hte focuses on two areas this summer.
Three pointers and rebounds. If he hits the boards like a beast, and nails threes, Donte will be on his way to a serious NBA career. He has a huge upside, and has shown he can and will improve. Do it Donte……
I'd like to see him focus on shot blocking too
He’s athletic and long as hell, plus he’s shown on a couple occasions that he has the knack for blocking shots
www.mancancook.net
I'd like Donte to move better without the ball.
Like how Peja used to do, come off screens and hit a jumper or a 3. Or back door cuts.
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.
I've been saying it for 2 years
Damn the offense and give me some paint defense and rebounding
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Mark me down for "Me Too".
Maybe it gets monotonous to keep repeating this litany but it’s even more true now than it was two years ago.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Part of it is, though, is that Artest/Miller had been in the L for a few years.
These guys are all very young and haven’t been through all the same stuff Miller/Artest/Martin had.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Sure, and JT as well
I may be offbase, but I don’t think Brian Grant was pigeonholed as a defense-only type guy when he was drafted.
Generally speaking, I think Petrie tends to draft for offense, and if the player can defend, that’s a bonus.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
I remember him being more of a Charles Oakley type with a bit better ability to score.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Being billed around the draft.
But I may be wrong too.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It's really the internet's fault
Why wasn’t this site around back then?
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Divine intervention hadn't intervened.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Petrie is one of best GMs in basketball
You can’t be serious. Come to GSW land if you want to see what you COULD have. Last years draft could not have been more of a home run.
He has some misses of course, but generally he’s done a good job. I’d welcome his record over Todd Fuller over Kobe… Adonal Foyle over Tmach, POB over anyone, Dunleavey 3rd. Tropy Murphy ugh
Uhm
My point wasn’t that I would want Petrie replaced. It’s that Petrie is an offense oriented General Manager. He’s not going to burn a high draft pick on a player that is a complete project offensively, just to get someone that can defend in the post (a Thabeet type for instance).
I've got squirrels in my pants!
You're really going to argue Thabeet was a good pick?
The way college basketball is these days, there are no good defenders anyway. Just guys like Tyreke with a lot of good defensive tools, who i have no doubt will become a good defender.
Rondo is a prime example, he was aggressive. not particularly a good defender, not after some coaching he is elite.
I wasn't arguing Thabeet one way or another, to be honest
Here, let me get this out of the way first:
I LIKE GEOFF PETRIE AND HOPE HE CONTINUES TO BE THE GM OF THE SACRAMENTO KINGS
Ok, let me backtrack then, and say this in a way that hopefully clarifies my initial point:
It wouldn’t be Petrie’s modus operandi to draft (or hell, to acquire with anything more than a minimum contract) a guy that’s considered a project offensively. He likes guys that can put the ball in the hole (or have the potential to put the ball in the hole). If you want him to acquire a player that is strictly a post defender, he would have to come extremely cheap. That’s just how Petrie rolls.
Therefore, any change in that philosophy for this franchise would probably require a new GM.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Put simply
Petrie doesn’t draft or invest a lot of resources in DEFENSIVE players. His focus and bias in selecting players tends to be the OFFENSIVE types.
Given this selection of offensive over defensive players, we would have to have a different GM in the house to use our draft pick on defense. Not that you are saying fire Petrie.
This does leave us in a bit of a lurch though if D is our new orientation…
The Kings played D in their better years.
But you need guys who play well ON 2 ENDS. Not just 1 end.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yes, I would agree with this statement
We have guys that are EITHER good at D or O and need guys that are good at both.
Whose really good at D on this team?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Ime.
McGuire.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Yeah forgot about Ime & D-Mac.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah.
What was I thinking?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Thabeet was a good pick
He just needs time, period. 3.5 boards and 1.3 blocks in 11 minutes a game? Plus he kept that pace as a starter and grabbed 7 boards and 2.6 blocks in his time as a starter averaging 22 minutes. I’d love a guy like that on our team. Our front court is fairly inconsistent on offense, so what would it matter if we had a guy who sucked on offense but grabbed boards and blocked tons of shots? He and Landry would be quite a pairing and would make up for eachother’s weaknesses.
www.mancancook.net
would you love that guy @ #2 overall though?
Would you prefer that guy over Tyreke, Curry, BJ? I agree thats nice, and worth having on a team, but it’s still just a role player. It’s easier to find a role player
There's nothing I'd prefer over a BJ
Honestly, in the end, after he develops he might be better than those guys, with the exception of Tyreke. A defensive minded big man will always be important. Gunners like Curry and Jennings are easy to find.
www.mancancook.net
Gunners like Curry and Jennings are easy to find.
If they stay where they are yes. But I have reason to believe both develop into all star caliber players and in that case absolutely not. Thabeet will be a role player. Could be a good one, but at best I see him as a Dalembert type. He will NOT be Dikembe or Dwight Howard. To win the NBA you need front end talent first and foremost. Look at Cleveland. Particularly in top 5-10, I’ll take swings at guys who can be all stars over a steady role player.
I think it's an interesting discussion vfettke
Do you want two guys down low that balance out each other’s weaknesses, yet also balance out each other’s strengths?
Petrie’s philosophy seems to revolve around finding guys that can effectively put the ball in the basket, can play multiple positions, and can pass the ball effectively. When he built the early 2000-era Kings, the defensive keys were guys like Doug Christie and Bobby Jackson (to an extent).
However, the part that is difficult to reproduce is a Vlade type down low. He had the size and strength to bang around with the bigger centers in the league and protect the basket, yet run the offense and make some shots. It seems much harder to find a guy like that, than a wing defender who can play two positions and shoot the 3 well.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Bobby Jackson is so overrated as a defender.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
heh...yep, we've had this argument before I think
While I think he was somewhat overrated as a defender, he was still pretty solid.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Yeah I'm not having it again.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
To be fair
there is a general lack of quality big’s in the NBA. Most teams are moving to more of a dual Power Forward set. I mean for every Bynum, Howard, M.Gasol there is a Bosh, Horford or DLee masquerading as a center.
The more important aspect is defensive rebounding. Kings really have none
Yuh I agree with the last line.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Nothing about what we were talking about
but
Evans for March 19.4 6.9RB and 7.5A
Curry 19.8 4.3RB 7.3A
Wow! Curry is gaining quickly!
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
OMG Curry scored 19 pts this month!
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Or almost 20 as the case may be.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Curry has averaged 20 ppg and near 7apg
since January.
It's a good thing that the year end awards take into consideration the entire year, huh?
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never said Curry deserve ROY over Tyreke
and in fact Tyreke’s injury might have clinched it for him cause the Kings look sad w/o him. My only point was Curry has been playing this way for 50 games now
And if you're point Curry is the 2nd best ROTY
I agree.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Reke's 20-5-5 year will get him ROY.
You can’t stop that much hype. But some idiot sportswriters will vote for Curry because they will think he has ‘more potential’.
But that’s wrong, and I’m being super-redundant. All sportswriters are idiots and wrong. That is except when they agree with me and my unbiased opinions that only ‘my sex fantasies of that hot chick whose way out of my league’ has more upside than Tyreke.
Until I get shot down, and then it’s Tyreke all the way. Ho’s before Bro’s. I mean Bro’s before Ho’s.
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.
by elfboy_ on Apr 1, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A classic elfboy post upon return. Well done sir.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Curry has been better since January 1
Which technically would mean for more of the season Curry has been the better player. That being said Tyreke has been more consistent.
If you run down Curry’s accomplishments he deserves strong consideration. over 10 30 point games. a 35 point triple double.
Since January 1:
41 games, 20ppg, 6.6 apg, 4.6 rpg 45.1 3pt%,
There’s no reason he won’t keep it up thru remainder of season so really question becomes. If Curry was better than Tyreke for 51 games does he deserve it? I dunno. Even when you look at those numbers he’s still only marginally better.
when you look at whole year totals you see assists are even, turn overs even. Tyreke has edge on points and rebounds, Curry is more efficient because of his 3pt shooting. Both are poor defenders(like all rookies) who show a lot of effort though. (Tyreke will be better defender long term)
If Curry was doing for 20 and 12 for example, and being an upper teir PG then I’d say yes, even though he started slow, he was more dominant over the course of the year. But it’s more like he is slightly better than Tyreke in second half, but Tyreke was sizeably better in the first half.
I think if you look at the entire body of work
And check some advanced statistics (PER, Win Shares, Offensive and Defensive ratings, etc.) this isn’t all that close. Plus, while you can’t blame Curry for Golden State’s injury woes, that team is 8 games behind their pace of last season, while the Kings are 7 games ahead.
Plus plus, Don Nelson’s offense is like mana from heaven for a guy like Curry. I think his numbers would be somewhat diminished on most other teams in the league. I really don’t see that being the case with Tyreke.
If Curry was better than Tyreke for 51 games does he deserve it?
That’s a huge stretch…51 games? I’d see it as Curry being somewhat close to Evans for 51 games, but Evans being solidly better for the rest.
I’m not trying to diminish Curry in any way – he’s been significantly better than I expected him to be, especially defensively. He’s ahead of Jennings as the #2 guy in the race.
But overall his performance this year is not really in the same ballpark with Evans’ season, IMO.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Ultimately, it's American Idol.
Popularity contest. If you like Adam Lambert, good for you. If you like Kris Allen good for you. If you like Brandon Jennings, I’m sorry, but that’s like voting for Paula Abdul.
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.
I'd vote for Paula Abdul
But I always liked the crazy chicks. It’s why I’m currently crushing on Roni Deutch.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Oh god, just had a scary thought.
Independent ticket. Paula Palin 2012.
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.
Flag on the mere thought of Sarah Palin running for anything ever again.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Good analogy if
you compare Adam Lambert to Tyreke and Kris Allen to Curry. I happened to like Adam Lambert and believe that he was by far the most talented of all the contestants that season. But, as you know, the outcome was an upset because Adam didn’t win. If Curry were to win, it would be an upset.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
We lose the battle of the bigs and no surprise - We lose games
This has been the recurrent theme all year. No surprise here and it doesn’t seem like something that has been a priority to fix.
PW said something along the lines of them looking to get another Center, but Petrie has yet to deliver. Instead we got another undersized PF and that helped with scoring, as Landry does, but almost not at all on defense. He is tough, but not a big defensive presence.
If Petrie doesn’t get a defensive low post presence this summer, by whatever means, then I think we should post him under the hoop every game. Let him try to make and block shots. See how he likes it.
C's are hard to get.
Impact players are harder to get up front. Impact players on the perimeter are harder to get too, but there is more opportunities to get one. There are just many shorter players who make an impact in this NBA than tall players who do.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I agree, this is really the conundrum
If you can’t acquire the type of center that a Petrie style team needs to win (solid offensively with the size to defend adequately down low), how do you shore up that weakness? Does Petrie go outside his comfort zone and eschew offensive production for a legit defensive center (a Dalembert type)?
I've got squirrels in my pants!
I don't think he wants Dalembert. I think he'd rather have Troy Murphy which is why you heard rumors be more serious from Amick than ever what was going on with Dalembert.
On the flip side, I do think that if the Kings end up with a top 3 pick, they are likely to take Derrick Favors. Call it whatever you want, a hunch maybe, that Favors will end up having more defensive impact than anyone in this class.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think you're probably right on Murphy
Not sure if I agree with you on Favors. Here’s hoping for a top-3 pick so we can find out!
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Since when do I know what I'm talking about?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You always know what you are talking about...
You know when what you are saying is crap. Not that you share that with us :)
The other 40% we are wrong
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Maybe 40% of the time you are wrong about when i'm right
And 60% of the time right about when I’m wrong. Ever think about that?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Anybody got prescription Motrin?
Hey, tonight I play my first competitive Vollryball game as a 60 year old.
I think that its on April first might be telling me something.
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Forget the Motrin
Get yourself some golf clubs or a fishing pole, Pops. ;)
I've got squirrels in my pants!
LOL Otis.
I agree with Otis ElRon.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Even when I'm 60,
I rather have strip clubs and stripper poles. Not for me. But so I can meet all my favorite athletes.
Pro-Athletes. The moral fiber of our community.
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.
by elfboy_ on Apr 1, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're on a roll elfboy. 2 rec'd comments in 1 thread.
Well done.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You are my hero ElRon
hope you are able to walk tomorrow. These kids don’t understand your level of commitment and the risk of severe mental and physical impairment you will be facing as you play competitive volleyball tonight. They join rec leagues without even thinking about it. Spike!!!
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Ya think!!
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

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