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Kings Would Be Foolish to Extend Spencer Hawes's Contract in 2010

With the end of Spencer Hawes's third season as a King comes a bit of uncertainty about his future here. This summer, beginning July 1, Hawes is eligible for an "early extension" of his rookie scale contract. Such an extension would take effect for the 2011-12 season. No matter what, Hawes is under contract for $2.97 million for the 2010-11 season, quite a bargain for a starting center, and even a fair salary for a rotation center.

The question of whether to extend Hawes has no bearing on his presence next season. The Kings have jumped on early extensions in the past, signing Kevin Martin to a five-year, $55 million extension after his third season and inking Francisco Garcia to a four-year, $23.2 million extension (with a fifth year team option at $6.4 million) before his fourth season. Martin's extension worked out great -- Kev continued to improve as a player, and was and is still seen as a relative bargain as a low eight-figure player. Garcia's has been less of a success; while the 2009-10 season is the first under Garcia's new contract, there's no doubt that if the Kings would have allowed El Flaco to reach restricted free agency in the summer of 2009, he would have ended up with a far smaller committment than $23 million over four season. (Add in that due to injury, the resurgence of Beno Udrih, the beautiful rookie campaign of Tyreke Evans and the plethora of mid-level small forward talent, he hasn't been too important to the team's success this season.) The Kings' experience in this realm fits with the NBA standard: some early extensions, particularly for really good players, works out, while some early extensions, particularly those for mid-level talent, don't work out.

Re-read that sentence, and tell me straight off the bat whether Hawes should get an extension offer this summer.

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Beyond that basic assessment -- Hawes isn't productive enough to justify an eight-figure annual contract -- there are myriad extenuating circumstances lining up against an extension.

  • It's unlikely Hawes will be unchallenged as the team's starting center. In other words, he will be challenged for that starting spot. He was challenged this season, with the team short on big men -- Sean May opened the season as the starting center, Jason Thompson had a stretch of usurption, Jon Brockman earned a couple starts. The Kings will have a top-7 pick, and this is a draft of big men (whereas last season's draft was full of point guards). DraftExpress's current mock lists eight of the top 14 picks as centers, power forwards or combo bigs ... and that doesn't include the combo forwards like Wes Johnson or Al-Farouq Aminu. If Hawes ends up as the first or second big off the bench, you don't want to be left holding the bag on a sizable contract.
  • The 2011 collective bargaining agreement is sure to decrease salaries, which makes any contract which is signed this summer dangerous. If somehow the cap shrinks dramatically, or even worse becomes a hard cap, salaries could fall sharply in 2011 (assuming there's no lock-out). Given that no matter what Hawes will be a $2.97-million Kings center next season, there's little risk in waiting. Even if Hawes breaks out next season and becomes worthy of a big salary, contract size is expected to fall in the new CBA. Signing him now ignores all that.
  • The Kings seem to have mixed feelings about Hawes. The franchise's front office and coaching staff were truly upset Hawes didn't make Vegas Summer League last July. Don't underestimate the impact that had on Paul Westphal's relationship with Hawes, further manifested in that February blow-up between the pair. You can hear it in Truck Robinson's criticisms of Hawes, too -- that he talks back, that he thinks he knows better than the coaches. Last fall, an NBA source told me Hawes continues to have more value around the league than Thompson, primarily because of his age and skill level. By midseason, that had flipped completely: if offered either in a trade, most teams would now take Thompson. The Kings might agree.
  • The knee. You hate to use this as a reason to delay someone's payday, but Hawes's knee continues to loom. He will have missed seven games this season due to the knee, as well as the final game of last season and the first month of his rookie season. He's had four surgeries, and he's only 21. On the whole, chronic injury concerns are overstated in the NBA -- Martin's broken thumb has nothing to do with his strained groin or ankle bone spurs, for example. But Hawes's knee has been the source of much consternation.

It kills me to say it, because I'm a big fan of Hawes, he's been good to the site (see: Peaches t-shirt), his defense has improved dramatically, and he's still on a good path in terms of future production. But the team has been too generous with these early extensions in the past, refusing to use restricted free agency as a weapon against the players. It's time that ended. There's no reason to extend Hawes this summer.

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I don't think he's earned the extension

For all the reasons you’ve listed.

Thing is, does he think he’s earned it? Will we get Spencer the malingerer next season, or a Spencer Hawes playing for his next contract?

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 6:42 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree, but for me it's all about bullet points 2 and 4

Wait to see what the new CBA is like and that knee.

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by Kfan in Korea on Apr 2, 2010 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

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by SayWhat? on Apr 2, 2010 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Earned" is the key word.

When both Martin and Garcia were extended, Geoff Petrie specifically pointed to both players being rewarded for working their way into pay days through off-season work. Petrie talked about showing the other Kings that hard work and loyalty get rewarded with extensions. I personally hope that they let they Spencer expire but extend a qualifying offer and let some other team set his value. I like a 3 year 10 million dollar deal for young Spence, a contract like this is both cost effective and gives the player and the team a little time to grow.

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by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love Hawes,

and yet you’ve convinced me. At the least, you’ve convinced me 90% of the way.

One doubt remains for me, though. You said, “Hawes isn’t productive enough to justify an eight-figure annual contract”. I absolutely agree. However, even if the current CBA were continuing, I’m not sure that’s what he’d sign for (unless he were negotiating with Mark Cuban). What if he (or his agent) saw the impending CBA and agreed to take a relatively low-dollar multi-year deal to lock in some financial stability? If he were willing to sign for four years at 4.5, 5, 5.5, and 6 million ($21m over four years— Garcia-range money for a young, offensively skilled center), you’d have to at least think about it, right? If he’d take that same contract with the fourth year a team option ($15m guaranteed over three years), you’d have to pull the trigger, right? I mean, that’s what you want to pay for a good backup center/PF, right? He seems like he’d probably be at least something of a trade asset at that price, even if we eventually decided that he didn’t finally fit in our system long-term.

This is probably a moot point because Hawes probably doesn’t take Garcia money (especially not with only three years guaranteed). But what I suppose I’m trying to say is that we shouldn’t necessarily come to the bargaining table assuming that an extension can not and should not happen. We should come to the table knowing that we will only agree to a contract if we expect it to be likely to continue to be a good deal once the new CBA goes into effect. That means we don’t make Bonzi Wells/Francisco Garcia offers that nobody else will match and he’d be stupid not to take. But I’m not sure it means we should decide up front that a deal is impossible.

So, perhaps the question I’d ask the peanut gallery is this: in light of Ziller’s very well-reasoned warnings above and knowing that Hawes may very likely turn down the best offer we’d be willing to make, what is the largest contract that you’d be happy to see the management offer Hawes this summer?

by twasserm on Apr 2, 2010 6:43 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

If he would take Garcia money, I would do it.

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by Ice_9ine on Apr 2, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why, Garcia can be spokesperson for exercise balls.

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by elfboy_ on Apr 2, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

An 8 figure payday is completely out of the question

I don’t even know how that can be a thought in anyones head, even Spencer’s with his bloated ego. I agree we should wait unless we could sign him to a $3-4 million a year contract. That would be fair for even a back-up center/PF with possible knee problems. That’s what Houston gave Landry on the same premiss. I would like to see how Spencer perform next to an good rebounder. Wether that be a C or PF.

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by allbenji's on Apr 2, 2010 6:48 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I think it depends on the SIZE of the extension....

Most starting big men make close to 8 figures and back-ups make AT LEAST MLE level money. If has was willing to sacrifice some payday for some future security due to the new CBA and agree to a 5 year 30 million dollar deal(6 million annnually) then I think we’d have to ink him. He’d become an instant value deal, is young and still improving while being a legit 7 footer. I think it would be foolish NOT to try and use the looming CBA to get Hawes into a good deal now, because even if salaries do shrink in the NBA. A 6 million a year starting caliber center will STILL be an value contract, no matter what.

by Smills9133 on Apr 2, 2010 6:58 AM PDT reply actions  

5 years $30 is way too much for him at this point

Joe Prizbilla got that & he is far better than Spencer. Nasr Muhammed & Desegana Diop are quality back-ups & their contracts were widely considered big mistakes. Those guys even play a roll. What roll does Spencer have? Don’t say passing because we don’t run that type of offense. So really what does he do for us at this point. I like Spencer but like Landry they would only fit next to a great rebounder & we don’t have that right now.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Apr 2, 2010 7:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

great points.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 12:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Give Him the Max Contract

But only if Joe and Gavin will mow his lawn.

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by want2win on Apr 2, 2010 8:07 AM PDT reply actions  

This is a no brainer

He’s not earned the extension. While his defense had improved, his performance has been inconsistent on both sides of the ball throughout the year. Moreover, he seems to excel when challenged. So, let’s see how he performs next year tyring to earn a bigger payday while fighting for minutes. Spencer is young and skilled and, I believe, will continue to improve. He needs to show more.

by Kusian on Apr 2, 2010 8:10 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Well said, Kusian

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by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it is a yes brainer

All contracts contain risk and Spencer has shown improvement according to the coaching staff. He is young and immature both in attitude and physically. He will mature and get bigger and stronger.
 However, I agree with all of the other points: his injury status is a concern, his level of improvement is a low angle upslope. His motor on this team is a bit out of place. He only rises to the challenge.

The contract extension is the question; does he have a set amount in place? a QO ? If not, then you extend him the set % increase from his previous rookie contract. But you extend him for three years or less maybe two years with a team option 3rd.. In other words, the Kings can offer whatever they want. Spencer can accept whatever he wants. I believe that you increase him with the expectation of improvement but only marginally as his recent yearly performance demonstrates. Give him room and encouragement to grow.
The other option is you don’t extend him, you trade him this year. If he can’t find a home this year than that tells you even more about his value.

by betweentheeyes on Apr 2, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you don't extend him this summer.

There are still options at the end of next season. Extend him then. Make the qualifying offer, allowing us to match any contract, or locking him in for one more season. Renounce him.

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by Kfan in Korea on Apr 2, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

This.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think you extend him

but you sure as hell don’t give up on him. I’d like to see Hawes work hard next year and earn the contract. Skipping Summer League wasn’t a big deal to me when it happened, but looking back at it now, it was probably huge. He needs to show some major improvement next year. Which I think will come. I think his age has a lot to do with it.

by Dub_TC on Apr 2, 2010 8:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Not only has Spencer not earned the extension, there is no advantage to the Kings to extend one to him.

If anything, all the reasons delineated give reason to wait to offer an extension of his contract. There is no reason to reward Spencer with an early extension.

But the team has been too generous with these early extensions in the past, refusing to use restricted free agency as a weapon against the players. It’s time that ended. There’s no reason to extend Hawes this summer.

Hopefully, the Kings have learned something by being too generous with previous early extensions to not make that same mistake with Spencer.

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by Slam_Dunk on Apr 2, 2010 8:21 AM PDT reply actions  

It's a contract year.

So, let him play his way into a bigger deal, or free agency. My understanding is the man loves an unfettered market.

I hope his knee is sound, and that he comes back and absolutely kills it next season, but the organization would be stupid to offer him anything beyond next season before they really know what they have. Even an MLE-size type deal is far too generous with so much information in the wind.

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by andy sims on Apr 2, 2010 8:27 AM PDT reply actions  

this

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on Apr 2, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree completely

To me he just doesn’t try hard enough to improve and his attitude sucks. What makes it worse is that he’s got the talent and the skills to be a great center in this league. I just don’t know that he’ll ever have the attitude or work ethic to be truly great. He’s kind of like Amare in that way.

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by vfettke on Apr 2, 2010 9:02 AM PDT reply actions  

I wish he was like Amare in more ways

Then and extension might not be out of the question. (I understand your point about the work ethic though.)

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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 2, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps they should work out a Sean May type deal with Spencer...

Contract only guaranteed if he improves his verticle above 2".

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by SactoRyan on Apr 2, 2010 9:20 AM PDT reply actions  

That wouldn't work

Then he’d just bitch about how making more money means paying more taxes

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by vfettke on Apr 2, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or send him to football camp

to learn how to be an offensive lineman and the hoop is his quarterback and he has to keep everyone away from his quarterback at all costs

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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 2, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its an irrelevant proposition

because Spencer Hawes won’t be on the team past next year’s trade deadline; I’ll be surprised if he’s on the team opening night.

You don’t sign him to an extension, because you leave that up to the team he’s going to be dealt to.

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Apr 2, 2010 9:27 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't necessarily think it's the best possible idea or that it would happen

but on the trade machine, a trade for Okafor for Hawes and Noce works. This could give the Hornets a little long term financial relief, but is almost 11 mil too much for the Kings to pay? Anyways it was just a little thought I had when I read your comment about him being moved.

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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 2, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

right idea, but think bigger

okafor and collison for Hawes, this year’s pick (might have to throw in donte or omri).

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Apr 2, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this is quite possible

For some time I was thinking Petrie would use some of his cap space plus either JT or Hawes on an upgrade in the frontcourt. I’m getting the vibe even stronger that Hawes will be the piece used.

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by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hawes and the pick for Bosh?

Pretty pretty please!

Bosh and Landry with JT off the bench? I might need to change my underwear

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by vfettke on Apr 2, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Couldn't we

sign Bosh as a free agent and keep the pick?

by markdog333 on Apr 2, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably not

I think he’s going to sign a max deal with Toronto and either play there or force a trade. He’d lose a pretty significant bit of cash by doing it any other way.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bosh is pretty sick of Toronto

from all his latest comments. And Toronto isn’t going to be improving much for a bit. They’ve got a lot of big, bad contracts that go well past the new CBA in Turkoglu, Bargnani and Calderon.

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by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

He can walk by himself

He has said he doesn’t care about money, we’ll see if thats the case. I’ll get you the links as soon as I re-locate them. Shouldn’t take long.

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by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL
He has said he doesn’t care about money

When has that ever actually come to pass? And I can assure you his agent cares about money.

I’m not questioning that Bosh wants to leave Toronto, but I have to squint really hard to see a scenario where he gives up an extra 20 or so million dollars right before the new CBA is going to diminish future contracts significantly.

I think it’s more realistic that Toronto just lets him walk, than Bosh not signing a max deal with Toronto and either playing there – or forcing a trade. Even that is a stretch, since there are plenty of teams with cap room that Toronto could clear salary with in a Bosh trade – and you’d be telling your fanbase that you’re basically letting your best player go for nothing.

Am I missing some other possibility here?

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by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know whats going to happen

But Bosh strikes me as a player that would give up that extra year if it meant a fresh start and a chance for a championship, because the Raptors are not building a contender anytime soon, their cap is clogged with bad contracts, and keeping Bosh would just make it even worse.

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by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Again
Even that is a stretch, since there are plenty of teams with cap room that Toronto could clear salary with in a Bosh trade

If a team can’t get Bosh as a straight-up free agent, they can still work with Toronto to use their cap space in a trade right? Toronto gets some relief, and probably draft picks/players back.

In that scenario, Bosh gets his money AND gets to a team he wants…and Toronto gets something back of value as well.

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by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would have to be up to Bosh.

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by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guarantee he doesn't leave $20M on the table.

He doesn’t have all the endorsements that the other guys do. I will guarantee you right now that if Bosh leaves Toronto, it will be via a sign-and-trade.

"If you told him to head-butt the wall, he would do it." -- Paul Westphal re: Brockness Monster.

by PhutureKings on Apr 2, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Caveat:

And if he does, it won’t be for SAC. It would be for MIA, CHI, etc.

"If you told him to head-butt the wall, he would do it." -- Paul Westphal re: Brockness Monster.

by PhutureKings on Apr 2, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

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by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

These sign and trades very rarely cost a whole lot in trade value.

Most of the time, a sign and trade like this requires a massive trade exemption and a second round pick. On occasion it has cost players but that is usually when teams are already at or near the cap. The only deal like this I can remember is the Grant Hill deal where the Pistons got Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins as almost throw ins.

Here is a link to the Rashard Lewis deal that Seattle and Orlando consummated.

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by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

When they say "It's not about the money..."

It’s about the money.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Apr 2, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you sure it's not about fame & glory and having your ass kissed too?

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, when they say "it's not about the money"

it’s about winning because they know they’re gonna get their money anyway

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by vfettke on Apr 2, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have to keep in mind

he has all the power. Saying that he doesn’t care about money is a bargaining move. It lets Toronto know that he’ll walk for a 5 year deal so they better sign and trade him to a 6 year deal if they want anything in return

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by vfettke on Apr 2, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT

You claim twenty million is alot to give up, but a few players with max contracts managed to extend their contracts for big deals with a couple years left on their current deal, likely making them more over the 8 years than they would have otherwise (namely, Shaq, KG, Kobe, Duncan – Yao would have likely done it barring the injury, there was talk before he went down of it happening).

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by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but you are forgetting

There’s a new CBA looming.

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by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your mouth is moving, but all I see is your avatar.

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by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

BEWBS!

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by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

By the way

Do you have a link to any of these comments? Last I heard, I thought Bosh was pretty happy there?

Or is his agent doing some posturing?

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by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here's the link

It was after a loss to the Warriors, he’s not happy with his teammates effort:

Link

Some quotes:

“Just do it,” Bosh said to Mike Ganter of the Toronto Sun. “Act like you care. We need to do the things that win. We don’t do the things that win. I’m going down and playing offence on their side of the court and their (bench) is louder than we are. That doesn’t make any sense. They’re not playing for anything. We’re trying to make the playoffs. We’re trying to get the fifth seed but that is, like, slipping away every day.”

“We’re supposed to be gearing up for playoff basketball and this is not playoff basketball,” Bosh said. “Their bench is more active than ours is. Their players are getting more stops. They’re getting more offensive rebounds. Everybody is doing everything. If you look on the schedule now and see Toronto, I’m sure people are checking the win box. I can understand if we lose a game going down fighting, but we’re not fighting at all.”

“We’re just not coming out and playing basketball like we need to, I guess,” Bosh said. “For some reason, we just don’t like to secure leads and win basketball games. That’s the only thing I can think of. We come out here, we talk about it. We have a billion meetings, but we can talk all we want. Unless we do something about it really doesn’t matter. We’re talking about the third quarter. We talked about the third quarter yesterday. We talked about it at shootaround today and then we go out and do the same thing. I don’t know. We just lack execution.”

“I’m glad I’m not one of the coaches,” he said. "I wouldn’t know what to do, either. We changed I don’t know how many times, I don’t know how many speeches you can give. I don’t know how many lineup changes there can be. I don’t know.

“I mean, the coaches can only do so much. We have to take control of this thing because time is ticking and it’s counting down. We keep playing like we are right now and we’re going to be on the outside looking in.”

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by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty thin Aykis

He’s unhappy and frustrated with the way his team is playing, but I don’t see any indication from him that he wants to leave.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

There were other comments that I can't find at the moment

(Yahoo’s search of itself is pretty atrocious), where he insinuated he’s tired of carrying the Raptors.

I’m willing to bet money Bosh doesn’t re-sign with Toronto next year. If he does, he’s making the same mistake KG did.

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by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd agree he's probably not playing in Toronto next year

But he will still sign with them.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt this Otis.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

You think he's going back to play

Or just leaving straight up and signing elsewhere?

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Leaving straight up and singing in NYC with Wade.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they both jump ship for Knicks

I know who I’m drafting in the first 2 rounds of my fantasy league. Jeebus, under D’Antoni — they’d be freaks!

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.

by elfboy_ on Apr 2, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, draft one of them.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love your new avatar too. Wherever you got that from, it's awesome.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks. You basically inspired me to switch it :)

I don’t remember where I got it from, but I had it on my comp a while and I forgot I had it.

You gotta love that face.

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.

by elfboy_ on Apr 2, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed indeed.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree

Bosh sounds pretty fed up. Players are told not to publicly criticize teammates, and so you have to realize he is holding back, so read between lines a little it is pretty obvious team he is not surrounded by players he respects. Not matter what Raptors do in playoffs, he is good as gone.

by bench_blob on Apr 2, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

So...

He’s just going to give up an extra 20 million that he could get AND STILL force Toronto to move him to a place he wants to go?

Whatever you guys are smoking, I wish you’d puff-puff-pass, instead of puff-puff-puff.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right Otis

Bosh will be signed and traded. He has tons of power and it makes no sense to get nothing in return for him.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Apr 2, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is the thing

Players rarely have this much power…and the new CBA could change the entire climate of the NBA. So I have trouble imagining Chris Bosh just giving that power away.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

This. Very much this.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

A sign and trade is most likely. Put yourself in Raptors position. They will find a willing trade partner before letting him walk for nothing.

Bosh has all the negotiating power. Teams can’t let superstars walk for nothing and justify it to their fan base. So when Bosh tells them he is ready to move on, Raptors will solicit offers and accept the best deal.

Like I said above, I think fair deal would be Carl Landry and Donte Greene. Would love to include Nocionni to preserve cap space.

by bench_blob on Apr 2, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

I think we are on the same page.

I doubt Greene and Landry would be enough to get Bosh, although Toronto would be released from much of the cap burden the Bosh signing would inflict on them.

You’d probably have to add in some draft picks.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course

I’m way talking out of my ass on Bosh’s value in the market, should he re-sign with Toronto. The available cap space of different franchises will make a huge difference in the equation of establishing his market value.

It would seem to me though, that a guy like Landry, who is productive and inexpensive (for now) would be a nice carrot of a value that most teams couldn’t offer.

Now I’ll wait here quietly for pookey to come in and beat me down.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

A pick and one of their bigs might be enough

especially if Bosh says “I’m going to sign with Sacramento, give me my 6 year deal and you’ll get something back for me.” They could find tons of willing trade partners, but Bosh gets to pick where he goes

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by vfettke on Apr 2, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guys, guys

Hoping for Chris Bosh has meteorically lower likelihood than our Rubio/Griffin chances. Don’t put any eggs in that basket. Sure, it’s possible, but so is LeBron James having the greatest night of his life at the Palms and deciding to sign with the Kings.

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by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

well the maloofs could sure pitch

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by chenp22 on Apr 2, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes! He is coming to his senses.

He does know, that Tyreke is the team leader.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Apr 2, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

that LeBron will visit with all the teams with cap space, including Sacramento, before eventually signing with Cleveland. Mainly because he’s an attention whore. In fact, he might even let on that he likes the Kings or something just to get more media attention being like “WHAT?!?! LeBron to SACTOWN? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?” and then he’ll sign in Cleveland as the last free agent.

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by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah Aykis I can see this happening too.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially if Cle doesn't win the title.

He might resign quickly if they do.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or title delivered,

he might move to NY. The billboard money in Times Square alone would probably feed all the bastards I plan to sire in LeBron’s name.

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.

by elfboy_ on Apr 2, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

He already has a few sired.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know.

Giggity.

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.

by elfboy_ on Apr 2, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

You’ve come back with a vengeance elfboy.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Landry, Omri, Nocioni, Cisco, & our #1 pick

Might do it if we take back Hedo. They seem to hate him in Toronto. Their only reason for signing him would be to try to keep Bosh. No Bosh puts them in the lottery for years anyway.
Beno
Reke/Udoka
Hedo/Donte
Bosh/May
Spencer/JT
Not even a playoff team imo but who knows?

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Apr 2, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gah

No chance. They would want to take advantage of our cap space – taking on Noc and Cisco doesn’t really help them in that regard.

I’d imagine they’d want a couple of very good, low salaried young players plus draft picks.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe take back Cisco

I’m sure they would rather have 2 years of Noce than 4 years of Hedo.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Apr 2, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ewww no.

Say no to Hedo.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

STFU!

I want Hedo back in Sac so I have someone to party with downtown!

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by vfettke on Apr 2, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or eat Pizza with late nights.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

We don't need to do all that though

We have the cap space where we dont have to match the salary. They won’t take Noc or Cisco. I’d give up Greene, the pick and one of Spencer or JT.

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by vfettke on Apr 2, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

As would I

But I think you’d have to have Landry included somehow. He’s the most talented player outside of Tyreke on the roster…he’s young, and he’s inexpensive.

At least, if I was Toronto, he’d have to be in the deal.

However, I have no idea what kind talent some of these teams with cap space can add in to a deal.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd throw in Landry

but keep Greene and probably make them take Spencer over JT. Plus the pick. Then again, if we slip into the top 3 we may have less to give up. Wall or Turner would make Bosh easier to get. If we had the 3rd pick I think I’d consider taking and keeping Cousins

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by vfettke on Apr 2, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tell you what

This might be the most fascinating offseason I can remember. Big name free agents, new CBA coming up…a lot of teams (both large and small market) with cap space.

There’ s about a hundred different ways the Kings can go, including standing pat, making their draft pick and waiting to see how the new CBA impacts the league. And for the Kings, you have the issues with attendance, and the pressure to start winning consistently to get butts in the seats. Will they actively use that cap space to improve the team?

I think we are going to have a lot to talk about over the next six months.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Should be fun

until nothing happens and we’re all left with proverbial blue balls

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by vfettke on Apr 2, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, no!

Landry is a keeper, vf!

Donte’ still has upside, sure, but Landry is playing very close to NBA All Star level right now.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay MM

Stop. Landry is not playing like an All-Star.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

18 pts a game

with 52% shooting efficiency is what Carl has given us since being dealt to the Kings.

And he’s upped his rebounding to 6.6 a game. He’s doing a pretty damn good job on defense and his EFF is almost +17 for the season.

If Landry plays at that same level next season going into the break he will definitely get All Star voting consideration. Do you disagree, pookey?

In any case, the larger point, that it would be plumb loco to deal Landry so as to hang onto Donte’, is backed up both by the numbers and by watching the games.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes I disagree.

His rebounding is below average. HIs post defense is average at best. His scoring and efficiency are ridiculously awesome but that doesn’t make him an All-Star.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, cool...

but you don’t deny that those kind of numbers would garner him a lot of marks on All Star ballots, right?

Maybe Landry’s play doesn’t meet your personal criteria, and what the heck, your criteria may even be more accurate than what NBA fans and coaches think; but if he continues to play like he ’s playing now, Landry has a damn good chance of making an All Star team.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He doesn't rebound enough.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

efficient offense doesn't = all star votes

but being really good in two statistical categories does.

by TheFifthMookie on Apr 2, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's barely upped his rebounding in 10 minutes more a game.

He has regressed per 36 as a King. Maybe it’s an energy issue or getting used to his teammates/transition to starter.

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by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is Landry

but a PF version of Kevin Martin…excellent at scoring and nothing else. I see him as a great 6th man , but I’m hoping to get 2 bigs in front of him.

There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Apr 2, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or at least one really good one to compliment the guys we have.

And then maybe add a Fesenko to finish off the front line.

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by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good luck with that.

I’m not sure Fes is the answer just becuz Aykis has a fetish. Or, you perhaps JJ.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed as perfect 6th man!!

"If my aunt had a set of nuts, she'd be my uncle"

by want2win on Apr 3, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

i'd do that too, but take favors over cousins

"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches

by AkaP on Apr 2, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Couldn't we

sign Bosh as a free agent and keep the pick?

by markdog333 on Apr 2, 2010 10:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes.

I have no idea what these guys are talking about. If Bosh signs here it is because he believes the core is the right up and coming core for his career. He will want that core to remain in place for the most part and he will want that top pick here as well. The Kings can give up a little depth to make it work but that is it. Hawes or Greene- that’s it, no pick, no package of players and picks. These deals happen all the time and the out going team gets jack shit, not a top tier pick and a couple of young bigs. The sixth year of a contract only helps the player and the team losing the player. If all that team gets is a second round pick and a trade exemption, they should be stoked- they’ve already lost the player, any compensation is gravy.

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by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're talking hypotheticals of hypotheticals

and you’re mad because everyone is getting into the hypotheticals of the hypotheticals of hypotheticals?

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I'm just saying....

that when a player leaves a team and then asks for a sign and trade to get the 6th year on the contract, the team he is leaving almost never gets any other than a trade exemption in return. It doesn’t hurt them to trade the guy once he’s said I’m gone, it can only help especially a team like Toronto who is about to lose it’s #1 asset and they won’t have a lot of cap space to show for it. In this situation, a trade exemption might be very valuable.

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by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes no sense

In your scenario, it really makes no sense to even do a sign and trade at that point. You are adding salary, then getting a trade exception for that salary? You’ve already got the cap space without Bosh right?

Maybe I’m dense, but I’m certainly not following your logic. Maybe supplying an example of this happening in the past will help me.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think the

the trade exemption makes it so that teams can trade players for cap space(exemption). I’m just taking a wild guess at it though

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by AkaP on Apr 2, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is the idea.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

The best example recently is Seattle (which JJ refers to elsewhere0

They used their TPE from the Rashard Lewis S&T to get Kurt Thomas from the Suns. With Thomas (and the cap relief for the Suns), 2 1st rounders unprotected were sent to the Sonics. Kurt Thomas was eventually traded to the Spurs for a future 1st in 2009. That pick ended up being traded to Chicago for Thabo Sefalosha.

And the Suns 2 picks? One is Serge Ibaka and another will come in the 2010 draft.

So yes, you can make a lot of good with a TPE if you use it wisely and are willing to do things with it.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The best example recently is Seattle (which JJ refers to elsewhere0

They used their TPE from the Rashard Lewis S&T to get Kurt Thomas from the Suns. With Thomas (and the cap relief for the Suns), 2 1st rounders unprotected were sent to the Sonics. Kurt Thomas was eventually traded to the Spurs for a future 1st in 2009. That pick ended up being traded to Chicago for Thabo Sefalosha.

And the Suns 2 picks? One is Serge Ibaka and another will come in the 2010 draft.

So yes, you can make a lot of good with a TPE if you use it wisely and are willing to do things with it.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The best example is a double post!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 2, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

A function of bad internet. LOL

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The out going team gets the exemption Otis.

Orlando had Rashard Lewis locked up to a 5 year deal. Then, his agent went to the Sonics and said hey, let’s work on a deal that is mutually beneficial for all parties (wink, wink). So the Sonics offered up Lewis and his 6th year for a trade exemption and a second round pick because something of tangible value has to accompany a player in a deal and a draft pick has actual value where a trade exemption does not. Orlando said ok and the deal went through.

This, IMO almost always works in the players, not the incoming teams favor because 26 or 27 year old players make sign these deals and they aren’t worth the 6th year at max + 10% when they are 32 or 33. This, again, IMO, is the one thing that really makes Rudy Gay an interesting proposition in this years FA if the Kings can land their big via the draft. Gay will be smack dab in the heart of his prime in the crucial last years of his deal. This is why LaBron, Wade and Bosh, all signed three year deals and not max years a few years ago. Coming off their initial 4 years, they wanted to get to a better contract age before signing the 6 year deal that we are about to see. Carmelo Anthony opted for a longer deal so that is why he is not up for an extension/FA this year.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just say no to Rudy Gay.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally forgot that the Sonics dealt that exemption for KK Thomas...

and two # 1’s. That is totally inconsequential to my point but good memory on that. Gay is interesting- not that I’m curious. He is a supreme athlete and will be better than anything the Kings have over the next 6 years. I love Omri, but he can be a spark off the bench if need be. Talent is talent. The Kings don’t have a guarantee at the small and I certainly don’t want to see them waste all this space, it’s just bad for business.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

They need horses up front more than anything else.

You need stars and players who allow them to be stars. If Omri or Donte are role players, I can live with that simply because there isn’t a better alternative.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gay would make the other players up front.

I will try to expound on this thought in a bigger post tomorrow but I was happened to turn on 1140 this afternoon and JT and Donté were on with Grant. Grant was asking the guys what they thought Evans was going to be like when he learned how to shoot and JT chimed in very quickly with what I thought was a very revealing statement. He said- “Good, it will clear out the lane a little bit” and to my surprise, Grant actually caught the disdain in Thompson’s voice and (sorry Jason Jones) aked a follow up question. Something like, “so, that is a very good point, do you think it would help with spacing” and Thompson responded with something like" sure, everyone won’t be clogging the lane waiting for him to drive".

This exchange focused on something that we haven’t really touched on here at StR. What affect does Evans style of play have on other players? This is a very big discussion- maybe one for tomorrow.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

To add to this....

I have to agree with Grant Napear- yes, I said it, he has stated multiple times that you draft the best player, regardless of position because this team just needs more talent. The Kings have two or three major holes. Adding a player like Gay would allow the Kings to bolster both their bench and starting line-up in one move. Again, I don’t see any other player on the Kings roster ever becoming the player at the small forward position that Gay is today and he is 23 years old. I could see the Kings drafting Wesley Johnson with the 5-6 pick to fill the small forward spot because he is the best player on the in their opinion and again, there is no guarantee that Johnson will ever be the player that Gay is either.

Gay would bring a lot of positive things to the Kings that could open the floor up for both Landry and Evans. If my two best players are Evans and Gay the I think my team is not all that bad. Add to this that losing Gay will set back the Grizz big time and that is a team that the Kings are going to need to get passed eventually on the climb to the top.

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by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't sign Gay to hurt the Grizz. You sign him because he's a future long term core piece at 23-24 years old.

I’ve mentioned it a bit before about Omri, but JT belongs in this discussion: Both guys had problems with Kevin taking their shots. They also have a problem with Tyreke taking some of their shots.

You don’t have to know the locker room dynamic, but both guys are far too concerned with their touches.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Semantics but...

I think every player had a problem, not specifically with Martin but with the duo of Martin and Evans taking all the shots. Its one thing when you are in a scramble for shots and there is one guy hoisting 15-20 shots but when two are jacking up 30-40, that’s a lot to deal with.

If you add a talent like Gay, you make your team better- end of story. Almost every single big name free agent would make this team better and could fit with the current group. I don’t know if that speaks to the group of FAs or the Kings lack of top tier talent. I don’t want the money squandered but we are talking about 8 all-star caliber players and the Kings have 0.

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by jjham15 on Apr 3, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

And that's not going to make the question of shots go away. And I agree with you that other players than just Omri & JT had the biggest problems.

But I think there is a touch that both blamed (call it a sense) Kev for the lack of touches (right or wrong—I say it’s bullshit myself).

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 3, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Being young didn't help either

I’m assuming most young players coming into the league feel like they can become important pieces of the team that drafts them. There aren’t many that come in thinking they’re just going to be role players (Nessie is an example of someone who knows his role for example).

Not really a criticism as much as an observation, but I think Omri, JT, and also Spencer (and Donte)came into the league thinking they had the chance to be part of a team’s main core. That confidence is good to have (thinking you have the potential to be great) but most times it doesn’t translate.

I think this is where the coaching staff comes in and sets everyone straight, giving them roles to succeed and making sure the team as a unit works.

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by edm7 on Apr 3, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree Eddie. Being young is the main issue and nothing more.

The coaching staff wants guys who are competitive and want minutes. But, it also creates some friction in the locker room from time to time.

I don’t dwell on the other players being jealous over shots because that happens in every locker room on every NBA team.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 3, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd worry if it continues next year though

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by edm7 on Apr 3, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

What player joins the Kings and doesn't think he can play a part?

It’s not as much as the Warriors (I bet D-Leaguers get on the kness at their bedsides every night and try and entice the Supreme Being of Their Choice to have the Warriors call them up) but it is close.

Another aside: Chase Budinger is playing important and consistent ball for the Rox. I think he kicks Omri off of the 1st and/or 2nd All-Rookie squads.

by betweentheeyes on Apr 3, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree about Budinger

Omri’s play has completely fallen off and I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t make All Rookie. I do believe that the real Omri was the one we saw at the beginnig of the year and he just got tired. He needs to do a better job at balancing his on the court and off the court ‘personas.’

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by edm7 on Apr 3, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or simply improve his playing stamina.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 3, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not a problem.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 3, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Spencer blew it by not showing for Summer League

due to his immaturity, an inflated sense of his own worth and the sense of entitlement he’s always projected. As someone wrote about an undrafted player trying to break into the league at VSL “he looked at it as an opportunity not an obligation.” Unfortunately, Spencer looked at the VSL as an obligation.

Bullet point # 2 is a sufficient reason not to offer any of our young players an extension this year. The rest of the bullet points will have to be addressed when he becomes a RFA at the end of next season. Twasserm makes a good point above; if Spence is willing to sign an extension for a relatively small amount to gain financial security then it would make sense to sign him to an extension. I don’t see that happening.

If we draft/trade for a big I think one of the JT/Spencer tandem is traded this summer. We might trade one of those guys if we simply draft a big with more upside than they have. Overall this has been a disappointing season for Spencer and it’s going to take a really good 10-11 season to counteract the slightly downward trend his career has taken.

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by Bluejohn on Apr 2, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think (hope) Spencer is the one to go if either

JT or Spencer is traded. I think JT has more upside as both scorer and rebounder. I also like the Spencer & Noc trade idea for Okafor. That would give you a veteran big to play beside Landry with JT off the bench at either the 4 or 5.

We would still be free to use our draft pick for bpa.

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by SayWhat? on Apr 2, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Spencer has way more upside as a scorer than JT.

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by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you sure?

JT’s got better ppg, rpg, and PER. ALl that with one less year in the league. I know he’s older, but I wouldn’t discount the extra year of learning Hawes has on JT.

Not to mention, more upside in scoring isn’t that useful when A) it’s only potential, not actual, and B) even if it becomes realized, that upside isn’t that much higher IMO, and it’s not useful when you’re injured. JT has been a virtual iron-man so far (knock wood).

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by PhutureKings on Apr 2, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

^All, not ALl

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by PhutureKings on Apr 2, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Spencer is a much better passer

Has better range, and has some moves in the post that most big men never get. The problem with him is he isn’t as physically gifted as most guys and he still needs to grow into his body as well as work on it some more.

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by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's also never a guarantee you grow into your body.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

No it isn't

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by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know too many people

that have overgrown into their bodies.

by betweentheeyes on Apr 2, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Insert Sean May here

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 2, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or me.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Sean May…GET IN MY BELLY!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Apr 6, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree. He didn't blow it by no-showing Summer League.

Spencer blew it by not becoming a dominant C night in night out. We wouldn’t care if he no-showed for practice if he was throwing up 25-12 every night. We’d be worried about his ethic, but we’d be locking him down to a 6 year contract anyway.

Personally, I have no idea what kind of C Hawes actually can be. Sometimes I don’t think he has the mentality to be a C at all. More like a 7’0" PF. And maybe that’s what we need to do with him. Get a traditional center (physically strong 7-footer who blocks shots and grabs rebounds) to play along side Hawes — allowing Hawes to just be a really tall guy who can shoot. A young Dirk-lite.

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by elfboy_ on Apr 2, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Give him an Andre Blatch deal.

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by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

This I wouldn't mind

Blatche makes almost nothing.

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by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

5 years 18 million

Let’s do that. Worst case scenario we have Dan Gadzuric, but cheaper.

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by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

iashwash, you are the voice of reason

We want to be champions, not just respectable. Unless Spence makes great strides this summer and next season, he’s a weak link and we’ve got to be looking to replace him with a stud.

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by Holmdel on Apr 2, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow, new sigline

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by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blatche is more talented than Spencer

Quicker, stronger, more aggressive, way more athletic, just plain nastier, etc.

Hey, I’d offer an extension to Blatche (and I bet the Wiz feel the same way since they plugged him in as a starter and the dude went off like a bomb, averaging something like 23 pts, 8.5 rebounds a game, plus a mess of assists and steals).

But Spencer by comparison hasn’t earned an extension of any kind.

And let’s not kid ourselves, guys. He has no chance of developing into anything resembling Vlade Divac, Dirk Nowitzki, Dirk Nowiztki-lite, or any of the other Springfield quality players he’s been compared to at Sactown Royalty.

Spencer may end up helping some NBA team someday, but the Kings need to move on.

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by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not ready to give up on him yet

but to me it seems like his skillset and attitude means his ceiling might be “Mehmet Okur Light”, and as such he shouldn’t get paid a lot of money.

by TheFifthMookie on Apr 2, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mehmet Okur-lite!

LOL! That’s getting a lot closer to the truth, 5thMookie! Good call.

I would go with “Mehmet Okur-lite with knee problems”

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by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently you aren't aware that Blatche has issues of his own.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't even know who Blatche is

I guess I should look him up, or chapu4you will yell at me again.

by TheFifthMookie on Apr 2, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

He only yells at people who don't know who Chapu is.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

From chapu?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Argentinian super hero that Nocioni used to watch on tv as a kid.

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by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

False!!!

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by edm7 on Apr 2, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

really?

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by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes sir

El Chapulin Colorado is a Mexican TV hero. And he was more of an antihero/comedy hero type guy.

I’m just helping you out, because chapuforyou is going to lay a verbal smackdown on you for not knowing where Noce’s nickname comes from

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by edm7 on Apr 2, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can bring it.

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by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

also, thanks for the knowledge.

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by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

No problem

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by edm7 on Apr 2, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

lazy and

soft

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by want2win on Apr 3, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just read this and tell me what’s so different about Blatche and Hawes other than Blatche is more athletic? (You like athletic players. I get that. But it don’t mean shit if they don’t have good attitudes and skills that help your team.)

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

well

I just read this and just from reading Blanche’s quotes and his use of the language, I’d say that there’s a lot that’s different between him and Spence

by TheFifthMookie on Apr 2, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially on pregnancy tests!

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by elfboy_ on Apr 2, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey, I'm not Blatche's Press Agent

I’m not here to defend the guy. I don’t really care about Blatche one way or the other. What I said was he’s a more talented basketball player than Spencer Hawes, and I think that’s pretty obvious.

He’s not only more athletic, he’s getting it done on the court. I repeat: Blatche has been averaging 23 pts a game and 8.5 rebounds since he was installed as a starter back in February.

I think we can all agree that if Spencer Hawes could put up those kind of numbers we wouldn’t be sitting here discussing whether or not it’s a good idea to extend his contract.

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by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

you might wanna look him up, mookie

Tonight vs the Bulls Blatche’s stat line was 18 pts. 13 Reb, 7 assists (!), 2 steals.

(Like I said, I’m not his Press Agent, but if he’s hiring…)

When the Wizards traded Haywood to the Mavs they stuck Blatche in the starting line-up and he’s pretty much been putting up those kind of numbers since then (including 11 double doubles and five games with 30 or more points).

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by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

It wasn't Haywood that caused him to go to the starting lineup

It was Jamison. Blatche was putting similarly ridiculous numbers at the beginning of the season when Jamison was out then.

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by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Score 1 for the know it all kid.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I better know

My rival in our PASPN league had Blatche that first week when he beat me. Thought he was the shit. Well who’s the beeyotch now?!?!?

Just kidding kingme18. Although I did beat you in the end.

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by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fantasy is for bitches. Especially one's with Greek names that start with A.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fantasy hoop may be for bitches

but Fantasy Baseball is for sophisticated intellects.

Just so you know Pook.

by MichaelMack on Apr 3, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll remember that.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 3, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's playing on a team that is losing and got into a pissing contest with his coach.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

What Spence did was very different from Blatche okay.

That’s the point. Spence made a reasonable criticism and got punished for it because he lacked tact. He didn’t do anything wrong; just went about making his point the wrong way. He was punished appropriately.

Here’s a point: Blatche wasn’t punished for what he did right or wrong. (A bit of both if you’re asking me.) He’s a headcase who can score and rebound OKAY. That’s always what he was.

Andray Blatche is young, but unless he improves wholesale in the rebounding and defensive area’s, he’ll never be that valuable to people. More talented than Spence? Yeah, but what does that mean? It’s not like the Wiz are going anywhere at the moment.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

so, what you're saying is

if Blatch puts up better numbers and is more talented than Spencer, and he wouldn’t get an extension (attitude, possible work ethic etc), then neither should Spencer.

I totally agree.

by TheFifthMookie on Apr 2, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

No I'm saying that Blatche is putting up hollow numbers on a really bad team in a bad way

And Spencer is a player who doesn’t put up numbers like that. It’s not what he does or who he is.

But Spencer COULD get an extension and Blatche already has. Blatche’s contract isn’t the issue though: He’s still got 2 more years. Plus, Blatche has been in the NBA since 2005 and was the last HS’er drafted in the NBA.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blatche *will* get a big pay raise.

That’s practically a foregone conclusion.

Might be the Wizards, might be somebody else, but you don’t do the kind of stuff Blatche has been doing on the court and not see some dollars out of it.

Spencer probably won’t get an extension, but why should he?

You guys are talking apples and oranges, it seems to me. One guy (Blatche) has shown he can put up the ball in the hoop 10-15 times a night and haul down a bunch of rebounds. For most NBA GM’s that’s enough to garner serious interest.

The other guy (Spencer) has struggled to play consistently and is about to undergo arthroscopic procedure on a knee that’s already had surgery three or four times.

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by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

See Blatche hasn't shown that consistently though.

You’re talking about a very small sample size. That’s MY point. You’re cherry picking the stats you choose to highlight your point.

You have no idea how GM’s really feel about Blatche. Allen Iverson can still score in the NBA, and no team would touch him except for 2 teams that badly needed help with attendance.

Andray Blatche is not as valuable as you think he is around the league until he does put up those numbers consistently. And consistently does not mean over a 40 game stretch. Consistently means over a 2 year span.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see...

well, we’ll just have to disagree then.

I guess you don’t see it this way, and the pookeyguru Two Year Standard is duly noted, but I’m pretty sure there are quite a few NBA GM’s who’ve seen more than enough of Blatche and don’t need to see it for two more seasons before being interested in what he has to offer.

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by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blatche has already had some scrapes with the law

And some serious throwdowns with his coach, and he’s not backing down. Talent reigns, but his numbers aren’t so good that you can just overlook the baggage.

I can see a team trying to acquire him, but he’s going to need a pretty good run of good behavior to get a “big” pay raise down the road.

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah he got caught with a prostitute in 2008.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sort of like squirrels in your pants, only different.

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by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Squirrels probably cost less.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

Once a squirrel gets hold of your nuts…

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.

by elfboy_ on Apr 2, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you speaking from experience?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plead the fifth.

But coming soon to a theater near you, “The Nut Job”.

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.

by elfboy_ on Apr 2, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome. Was it directed by Michael Moore?

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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nevertheless

that doesn’t change the fact that Blatche has made the most out of his opportunity to start. He has a sweet contract and some team in the NBA (maybe the Wizards, maybe somebody else) will pay Blatche a lot of money in the near future.

“Andray, over here, man! Sign on the dotted line right here, baby! We’ll take your bad attitude, just keep pumping in those 25 pts a night and it’s all good”.

If the Wiz don’t want to keep him they will have no problem finding other interested parties, so one way or another he’s become a fairly major asset to their franchise.

Spencer on the other hand has not made the most out of his opportunities. Like I think I’ve said before, Spencer has been very fortunate to be drafted by a team that’s so weak up front. Few if any other NBA teams would have given him as many opportunities to show he can be a starting NBA center.

He hasn’t earned a big pay day, and I’m just hoping the Kings deal him while he still has some trade value.

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by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't know that NBA teams will pay Blatche in the future. You're assuming that.

If Blatche puts up big numbers the next 2 years, than I’ll gladly have this conversation with a new CBA and new circumstances. This is the type of crap that got Spencer & big men extensions in previous years.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh, I'm aware of his issues

but my point was that Blatche is more talented than Spencer and his play since becoming a starter is gonna earn him a contract extension with the Wizards.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's got 2 more years

I doubt he will get an extension.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

And you're not well aware of his issues

You excuse them because he’s athletic. There’s a world of difference between Blatche and Landry and it starts with this single word: Professionalism. Carl Landry has it. Andray Blatche does not.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're not JUST well aware of his issues^

What I meant to say. Damn typos.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

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by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, pookey... I don't understand your point.

I didn’t say anything about Landry here. What does Carl’s professionalism (which of course I agree with) have to do with the difference between Spencer and Blatche?

We were comparing Spencer (who has done basically nothing to earn an extension) and Blatche, who iawash mentioned up above in terms of having a great contract.

So, yeah, in the case of Blatche it’s a great contract for the Wizards because the guy is producing like crazy on the court. He’s seriously underpaid (issues or not), and in all likelihood some team or other will be paying him a lot more in the future.

By comparison, Spencer wouldn’t deserve that kind of deal (or any extension IMO) because he hasn’t played very well or very consistently. (Not to mention he’s displayed a few issues of his own and has pretty serious ongoing knee problems).

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blatche isn't up for an extension for another 2 years. That's my point. He already got his extension.

What he’s really playing for is a newer bigger contract that he probably won’t get unless he does a complete 360. Knowing the NBA, and people, how likely do you think that is?

My point is that Blatche is cheap, but he’s not any less cheap than Spencer is. They’re making roughly the same money this season.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, I think now we're back to the original point

Blatche is cheap because he’s far out-producing the value of his contract.

He’s making the same amount of $$ as Spencer but even without an extension Spencer ain’t cheap because he’s not getting it done.

As for down the road, if you’re game pookey, I’d be willing to make a small, friendly wager as to which of these two players will be getting paid more money two seasons from now.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

No he's cheap because he didn't have any leverage in the first place when he signed his extension in 2008

He was a kid the Wiz believed in potential wise and signed him to a cheap long term deal to see if their investment would pay off. Maybe it’s started to pay off; maybe not. It’s difficult for me to judge that given how the Wiz’s season has gone.

As far as that wager, I don’t gamble. If you want to make it for something not money go ahead. I don’t gamble and have no reason to start today.

As far as Spencer not developing, if the Kings keep him and have in the next 2 seasons, he’s a virtual lock to make more than Blatche if he’s still in the league and has produced reasonably well. If he improves, his QO is more than what Blatche makes in his final season of his deal.

If I had to guess, yeah, I’ll take a friendly non-monetary wager.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean after Blatche's current contract is done.

I’ll betcha a strawberry milkshake that he’ll be out earning Spencer at that point.

I’d also wager that Spencer will never earn whatever salary Blatche signs for at that point.

That way we’ll have something to argue about for years and years ;>)

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh. You're on.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just wanted to say

I drink your milkshake! I drink it up!

because I will probably never get a chance to use that line on this site again. No other reason.

by betweentheeyes on Apr 2, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn good movie.

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen it. Probably best.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

There Will Be Blood

I thought that was your motto, pookey!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKQ3LXHKB34&feature=related

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 3, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know I'm a Commie.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 3, 2010 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

over rated

by the end it was almost a parody of itself.

by MichaelMack on Apr 3, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

False.

Extensibly erroneous. Eradicate this errant examination from enticing exemplifications.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 3, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

True...

He’s had a rough year, and hard to argue with Z’s analysis, but I’m a sucker for 7 footers loaded with potential (there’s just not that many to go around.) If he isn’t traded in the off-season, I’d offer him 20 – 23 mil over 5 yrs as an FA and hire a coach / mentor similar to what Orlando did for D12 with Ewing. He may not be the immediate solution to our lack of physicality in the paint, but overall he’s a good rotational piece at a cheap price, which is also good trade bait in the event Toronto somehow keeps Bosh and he demands a trade in 2012.

by Sacto_J on Apr 2, 2010 11:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree that the Kings shouldn't extend Hawes

But, has there been any rumor that they were going to?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

What player haven't they extended?

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quincy Douby. Gerald Wallace.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gerald never had a chance, and Douby was traded.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go back to the islands with that "never had a chance" shit

And Douby’s option had not been picked up. Plus, Douby was waived.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was Shelden Williams that was traded idiot. :P

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey asshole, I'm already in the islands.

And, I’ve already been nominated as “the voice of reason” so neener, neener douchebag. Don’t try and stunt on my thunder, my swag is effervescent.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neener neener douchebag? You're slippin IW.

Stunt your thunder? Effervescent swag? Sounds like a medical problem. Hope your doc can help you with that 1.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

tHEy CaLl Me mEDiCaL MaLpRACtiCE

God, that took so long to type, I don’t see why people do it. It’s asinine.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you have nothing else....

…you have to make your mark somehow.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is bullshit

The rest of my comment got deleted. I commented on how that took me forever to type, and I don’t understand why people do it, that it is asinine. Now I look like a fool.

From voice of reason to village idiot in ten minutes, damn.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who deleted the rest of your comment? You or TZ? LOL

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Umm...

that stuff’s still there

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Apr 2, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Says who?

You’re still the village idiot, you idiot.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

weird

It reppeared on my page. Maybe I accidentally clicked the subjekt or something.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you click the "wierd"

You’ll notice the plain text goes away. Re click and it comes back.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes pook, that's why I said
Maybe I accidentally clicked the subjekt or something.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you hadn't included "maybe"

Maybe I wouldn’t have said that.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

You sure?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Possibly.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well okay.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather it be that way.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least you're not alone.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always have myself to talk to.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

right....

but remember iash, when you start talking back and sassing yourself, that’s when the trouble begins!

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trouble started a long time ago, Mucho.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmm... sorry to hear that, buddy.

Maybe you can trace it back to when you first tried to get in the last word with pookey.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

So many neurons lost...

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

:>(

feelin’ your pain…

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe both of you should shutup and let me get the last word

idiots!

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL!

And I mean literally laughing out loud.

You are funny tonight, pook.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better than not being funny anytime.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pissed off at Dwight Howard.

He’s playing like shit right now.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

what!?

The nerve of that bastid!

Say the word, pookey and I’ll fly out to Orlando with you and we will kick his ass.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

We'd need a baseball bat for that to be a fair fight MM. LOL

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow,

you’re not kidding. 2 of 11 from the free throw line.

Even Big Aristotle would roll his eyes at that.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not going to be mean to Shaq.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The last word.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

When iash says Gerald never had a chance,

he means he was taken in the expansion draft. We didn’t just let him walk.

by twasserm on Apr 2, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know that. IW knows I know that. I Know IW knows that.

We’re just having some fun.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know you know that I know you know, pook.

But then again, I know everything.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Must be an island thing.

You seen that doctor yet?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

It hasn't been four hours yet

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Outstanding.

Hanging out with old men does have it’s purposes sometimes.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well played

But in all honesty, my doctor has refused to see me ever since I hit on his nurse. How was I supposed to know that she was his daughter? There’s a million Kupvaschicks in this world.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stop it Otis. For the love of GOD STOP YOU GOD FORSAKEN PIECE OF MAMMAL SHIT!

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

What you got against Mammals?

Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".

by Aykis16 on Apr 2, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mammals are fine. It's Mammal shit I have tribal hatred for.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

DOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUBBBBYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY


GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's eerie dude

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least we know who is finishing "Tupacs" albums.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do you think he grew the unibrow?

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iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is a similarity - especially the eyebrows.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Apr 2, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you sure?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now that you put me on the spot. I'm not too sure. Maybe not.

To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.

by Slam_Dunk on Apr 2, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rick Adelman?

:)

I've got squirrels in my pants!

by otis29 on Apr 2, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eric Musselman is a stupid asshole!

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm late to this discussion

but I think everything that has been said by TZ, Otis ans Allbenji’s covers my thoughts on this. There’s no real risk and a lot of reward by waiting – especially with the physical question.

Though I admire his potential skill set in a lot of ways.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 2, 2010 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Trade him.

The idea of Spencer getting an extension with the Kings is a joke. Or at least it should be. After he heals up the best thing would be to deal him before the next trade deadline.

Obviously there’s no way to know how much value he would have at that point, (very possibly not much), but I think it’s been made abundantly clear that Spencer is not the type of center who’s going to help catapult the team up to the next level.

He’s had a one-step-forward-two-steps-back career here so far, and in any case his gifts, such as they are, ain’t a good fit for the rest of the talent on the roster.

Moreover, we knew there were red flags about this knee from the git-go. Spencer had at least one, (and possibly more than one) microfracture surgery in his early teens on the left knee. Right after he was drafted he had arthroscopic surgery on that knee (i.e. the one that’s costing him the rest of this season), and it was reported at that time that he’d already had at least four previous scopes.

If we can include him in a package deal that would bring us back some kind of asset we should absolutely pull the trigger and let another team see if they can mold him into an NBA center.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 2:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Hawes needs to be traded

because this coaching staff has no interest in running a system that takes advantage of his strengths as a player. On a team that is interested in what he does well, the most likely scenario is he’ll grow into a contributing player.

Maybe he’ll blow out his knee, maybe he’ll never find a system that suits him, who knows? But its obvious he doesn’t fit in here, and its in everyone’s best interest to move him along.

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Apr 2, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

What if . . .

He becomes a great center at age 27? That would give him a solid 5-6 years (on the low side) of being a dependable player on our team. Patience can pay off if he turns out to be consistently solid.
The other end of the spectrum would be being too patient and realizing you’ve wasted a whole hell of a lot of money.
If I only (and King;s management) had a crystal ball.

He’s so young, but . . . .

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Apr 2, 2010 3:16 PM PDT reply actions  

I tried my crystal ball

It only showed one thing and it was way too disturbing… Looked like a 60 year old Megan Fox and Pookey. She was trying to do backflips and giving Pookey a BJ, only she kept kicking him in the face. Andy Sims sat in the corner laughing. All way too bizarre with Megan’s teeth in a jar and Andy having horns sprouting from his temples…

by MustangMBS on Apr 2, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd for the Sims reference alone.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

completely off-topic

but the thread system this place uses is awesome. you get to zip around and catch updates to each conversation, and they make sense.

by TheFifthMookie on Apr 2, 2010 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Hit the "z" and it's even better.

It goes right to the new posts.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

whoa!

I never knew about that before! That is cool…
z
z
z
z
z

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow!

I feel like Lex Luthor did when he discovered green Kryptonite’s effect on Superman.

Bald and Gene Hackmanly. But pretty stoked too. Thanks for the tip.

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.

by elfboy_ on Apr 2, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

C and X = Z as well

if you want to © cycle thru and (X) mark as read. Z of course does both. [Shift]+C steps backwards.

Don't say stupid shit. You won’t be perceived as stupid. - pookeyguru

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 2, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

the first day I started doing it, I immediately thought "fuck me for not doing this before"

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel

by iashwash on Apr 2, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sane here

I learned this like 2 months ago and it’s been great ever since. It’sup there withthe invention of the microwave, DVRs, and HD TVs

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Apr 2, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ooh. More STR night pics!

Which one’s pookey?

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.

by elfboy_ on Apr 2, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The middle one.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

AHHHGGG

Help, section! Can’t this be flagged!!!

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Apr 2, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blame StR for being on SBN.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 2, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hawes has not earned nothing! That's just my opinion...

Personally I think we should trade hime for another pick, that way we’ll have two first round lottery picks! or we could sign him after next year for maybe 3 year 11 million!

Dirty Di*k's and Shi% listen to this arithmetics

by slamson on Apr 2, 2010 4:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Must be the lion suit

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Apr 2, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too many head injuries.

The Sacramento Convergence concept offers Sacramento, the Central Valley, and the State a solution to feasibly construct a new multi-use Entertainment and Sports Complex.

by jjham15 on Apr 2, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since when did the scarecrow start wearing a lion suit?

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu

by hozr on Apr 2, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scarecrow wasn't wearing the lion suit.

Lion was told he needed more fiber in his diet.

Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing in new and unpredictable ways.

by elfboy_ on Apr 2, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

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