Priorities for Sacramento's Own Free Agents: Jon Brockman, Sean May and More
Before looking abroad to the strong and deep free agent class of 2010, the Kings actually have a few free agents of their own to worry about. No starters hit the market, but a few rotation players will.
JON BROCKMAN
The burly Husky is a free agent because the Kings made the odd decision to sign Brockman to a one-year contract as a second-round pick last summer. Brockman had impressed at Vegas Summer League, and the Kings clearly needed frontcourt help, making Nessie a bit of a no-brainer. But the one-year deal was highly unorthodox. (DeJuan Blair, for example, picked one slot before Brockman, signed a four-year deal, with two years guaranteed.)
That means that instead of having a cheap low-minutes bruiser inked for next season, the Kings have to barter again. Brockman will be a restricted free agent. As such, by June 30, the Kings must present a qualifying offer of $932,195. That wouldn't necessarily be Brockman's 2010-11 salary -- that just allows the Kings to match any offer sheet Brockman signs with another team. Brockman could however sign the Q.O., which would effectively be like signing a one-year deal for $932,195.
Brockman's minimum salary for 2010-11 is $762,195. All told, if Brockman wants to make sure he was an NBA job next year, and wants to play in Vegas in mid-July, and doesn't have offers from other teams, and doesn't have a longer-term offer from the Kings, it could be in his best interest to quickly sign the Q.O., considering the alternative could be waiting until September for a contract from the Kings or someone else.
Until Brockman is signed by the Kings or another team, a cap hold of the Q.O. amount ($932,195) will be on the Kings books. If for some reason that $932,195 is stopping the Kings from signing a major free agent, the Kings could withdraw their Q.O. (assuming Brockman doesn't sign it first), thus renouncing rights to Brockman. At that point, he would become an unrestricted free agent. Assuming the other free agent signing would put the Kings at the cap threshold, the team would only be able to offer Brockman a minimum contract worth $762,195.
I think the Kings will extend the Q.O. to Brockman, but otherwise will be slow to negotiate a contract with him. I think a two-year contract worth $2 million or so is what Brockman will end up with.
SEAN MAY
May, God bless him, is a low priority for the Kings. His cap hold will be $854,389, which is the portion of May's minimum salary of which would count on the Kings' salary cap sheet if May were to sign another minimum contract. I think the Kings will renounce May's rights if they need to, but will otherwise let May find a team. I don't see any scenario in which the Kings offer May a contract in excess of his minimum salary.
IME UDOKA
Like May, Udoka will have a cap hold of $854,389. Like May, the Kings will likely renounce Udoka's rights only if required by a trade or free agent acquisition. The Kings could bring Udoka back for a short, low salary deal, but it seems unlikely.
DOMINIC MCGUIRE
McGuire is, like Brockman, a restricted free agent. His qualifying offer and cap hold is $1.06 million. I think the market for McGuire will be limited, and I have no inkling as to whether the Kings will extend the Q.O. to him. In the unlikely scenario the Kings extend a maximum-value contract to one of the big-name free agents, Sacramento should have enough room (assuming the team's second-round pick doesn't immediately sign and Brockman isn't inked to a substantial contract) to get by without immediately renouncing McGuire.
McGuire is a good wing defender, and I think would be worth a two-year deal worth no more than $2-2.5 million.
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Every other would-be Kings free agent (Mikki Moore, Larry Hughes, Joey Dorsey, Kenny Thomas, Desmond Mason) had been waived at some point in the past two seasons. The Kings have no special rights to sign these players, and they don't count for squat on the team's 2010-11 payroll.
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If I gotta have a choice
I’d rather have Udoka than McGuire. I got nothing against Dom Mac, but the thing is that Udoka had a chemistry with this group that I don’t think Dom Mac ever got a chance to have.
If the Kings are going to bring a veteran back, I’d rather it be Udoka than McGuire.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Unless Petrie thinks McGuire has some potential in him
We’ll see. Right now I’m with you on Udoka, but I liked what I saw from McGuire when he got to play here.
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I like McGuire.
I just think the fact that Udoka is a veteran and brings some savvy and know-how can help this team in minor ways.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
True
And this team could use some more veteran presence as they ramp up the learning curve a bit next year (which I think will be the focus). I’m really psyched about Reke playing with Team USA this summer and bringing in some of that to the team.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
That'll help Reke. I'm not sure how that will help the team. Omri's summer will help him (hopefully) in the stamina regard.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If he can bring back some of what he taught
like perhaps being more vocal on the court especially on the defensive end, or focusing on defense and taking a leadership role, that will help the team. I don’t know if Team USA will help him there, but it can’t hurt.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I don't think Team USA will hurt him, but I don't know how he's going to learn how to take a vocal role on defense or as a leader will help him.
What is leadership? What does being vocal with leadership really do?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
PG doesnt think
anything helps.
Seriously, he’ll be playing with high quality guys who are decisive and strong willed, the ‘mentally tough’ as Kayte would put it. Those two mental things, with some physical talent to back them up of course, is what I think makes good court leaders.
The locker room version is different
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 22, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Ummm
Tyreke lacks mental will? I thought he had that pretty well sewn up after the games against the Wiz, Bucks, Bulls, Cavs and Lakers. Funny though, maybe he was just relying on his ever flowing fountain of youth.
Tyreke doesn’t lack indecision either. He lacks the nuance that takes time and experience of being a NBA player. Yes, Team USA will help him on any number of things because competitive basketball doesn’t hurt a young player. On the other hand, maybe team USA could help with the learning curve of that experience and recognition aspect. I doubt it will hurt this.
This is what I think will really help Tyreke. If a duckbill platypus and a lion walks in a room. who should Tyreke be and why? I’m sure if he knows the answer to that he’ll know all there is to know about leadership.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I wasn't impying he had a serious lack in those areas
though decisiveness is an area that needs work.
This
On the other hand, maybe team USA could help with the learning curve of that experience and recognition aspect. I doubt it will hurt this.
is what is useful
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 22, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Then we agree.
Hopefully I’ll never have to trot out a duckbill/lion metaphor again.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I hope so as well.
If there was an anti-comment of the week you would have just won for the next 40 weeks.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Well maybe I'll have to trot it out for the next week at every possible opportunity.
How many times do you get to win anti-comment of the week 40 times in a row times (insert multiple here)?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Well I've already failed to understand your metaphor once so if you use it again, it will
fly right over my head again and that’s OK because I think there are some things I’m just not meant to understand.
As far as ’Reke’s time on Team USA goes I don’t think it can do anything but help. The time spent with Kobe helped LBJ and Melo truly understand what it means to be a super star and the price you as a player have to pay to get there. "Reke already has his “Blueprint” and his summer workout plans laid out but if nothing else it can’t help but adjust his focus to an even more indelible level.
I have no idea what specific skills he will pick up this summer but the relationships he forges with the NBA’s top talent has to be a positive thing. ’Reke’s got his eyes on the prize and when he comes back next season he won’t be a rookie anymore. Any player who doesn’t have the same desire he does and who isn’t willing to do whatever it takes to get better is going to hear from ’Reke.
They may not be the same group of lovable losers we came to know this season but the bar is going to be raised and last year’s level of expectation won’t do and that message is not going to be just coming from the coaches.
From what I’ve read ‘Reke doesn’t party downtown with JT and é much. I’m just guessing, but I’ll bet ’Reke wants to win games more than he wants to be best buds with his young homies on the team.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
He's not old enough
Somebody checked his ID!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 22, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd say the normal answer is a lion
But sometimes “platypus” is the correct answer.

I've got squirrels in my pants!
by otis29 on Apr 22, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Wearing a Borsalino never hurt one's standing either.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think the 1 year Brockman deal was so if
a major Free agent talent was available to the Kings, they would have the maximum amount of dollars at their disposal, shedding Nessie’s contract easily.
This was of course before the new cap numbers came out, so no one was sure just how much money was available to sign free agents. So if the cap really came out at the pre-season feared $51 mil, Brockman’s contract could have prevented the Kings from signing their man (if he exists).
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.
I think you're right on Brockman elfboy. That makes more sense to me than anything else. Especially the way things transpired as the season unfolded.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not so sure ...
The Kings had Martin instead of Landry when they signed Brockman to a 1-year deal. That gave them a much smaller war chest for this summer, whether the cap was at $51M or $56M. From what I heard the team wasn’t sure Brockman was an NBA player when they drafted him, but Westphal pushed for it, and the front office trusted him. But they didn’t want to commit two years of salary without seeing him in the regular season first.
Due to circumstances (not too much playing time, that late-season injury), it didn’t burn them. But imagine Brockman had played as much as Blair. The Kings would be facing a bidding war this summer. It was a weird, weird decision to give him a 1-year deal with no team option for Year 2.
It's only wierd if you judge in the context of other teams use 2nd round picks.
The Kings have their own set of criteria, and, like you say, PW was thrown a bone by GP & Co. Based on the way Nessie played, there was no team that was going to throw major money at Nessie over the summer. If there was, there would be no reason to sign him at that point. There is also not a long history of 2nd round picks under GP who have made the team in his 16 years.
I think a big reason, as you point out about PW pushing the decision, was because it was a reasonable trade off given how many young players PW was going to coach. No coach wants to lose 57 games even if it makes the FO happy. There is a trade off, and Nessie had to be one of those. There are worse trade-off’s and more expensive one’s.
They can still sign him to a cheap contract, and he will be restricted until his 4th season anyway. I don’t see it being a big deal regardless of how it played out.
Having said that, I do think there was some level of flexibility on the Kings part by giving him a 1 year deal. If they traded a player to open up cap space, they wouldn’t have to worry about a cap hold for Brockman if he didn’t work out. If he did work out, and they had cap room, he wouldn’t be tying much money up in terms of a cap hold.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
True
It is more weird judged in the context of how other teams use the second round instead of in the context of Petrie’s M.O.
I guess my rebuttal would be that other teams actually have decent success in the second, and the Kings are still starved for talent at most positions. While Petrie picks guys like low-upside players like Sean Singletary and D.J. Strawberry, and signs NBA-level players like Brockman to 1-year deals, other teams pick young prospects with a chance to develop (Blatche, Amir Johnson in previous years), international prospects who can be stashed and developed on someone else’s dime, or readymade players who can be signed to cheap multi-year deals.
Pretty severe TZ
The 2nd rnd pick stories are few and far between but of course stand out. I don’t t know that GP does any worse than anyone else.
Now, he seems to give up on them a bit earlier and has seemed less patient, especially with the bigger guys (big guys almost always look worse when they’re developing) but I think Sean and McGuire are quality bench prospects.
I do find it strange that we don’t have a euro or D league guy stashed away at this point, but hell, we’ve needed every scrap of talent at Arco.
I think you’re a bit pessimistic. The right young draft pick and a decent FA and the whole future look of the Kings changes dramatically. Its a critical time for GP, maybe more important than last season.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 22, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Every time is important.
No time is any less critical than the other IMO. Without the Bibby trade you don’t get Beno. Without Beno Kevin Martin probably isn’t trade despite the fact it wasn’t working well (for either side) with Tyreke. With John Salmons and Brad Miller, do the Kings finish with the worst record? It’s not like the Wiz & Clipps weren’t making runs at that distinction either. Are the Kings better off having Noc and his longer contract vs the shorter contracts of Miller/Salmons? How does Omri fit in on this team with Salmons/Miller still around? How does Tyreke fit?
Hopefully I’ve made my point.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This is almost in the same realm as the D-League and your love of it
I have no qualm with the D-League, but Petrie simply doesn’t see it being as a reasonable way to develop talent. Obviously other franchises disagree, but those franchises do things differently than Petrie.
And, I’m not really sure I see Brockman being a real rotation player. While I thought the between the legs dunk in practice was great, I also don’t remember Brockman actually dunking in traffic during a game either. That’s what really matters. I also don’t remember Brockman shutting any major player down on the block for a length of time. Or rebounding at a high rate defensively for that matter.
And, how many years do you want the Kings to develop an Andray Blatche, Amir Johnson type? 3 years? 5? At some point, I’d rather Petrie have a 1st round pick and a bad contract on the roster. (This is similar to the same argument I had at GSoM recently about Randolph and others with “potential”.) The chances and odds of getting a true impact or quality player will happen in the 1st round. Also this year, like last year, the Kings have the 33rd pick. Unless a good financial deal comes the Kings way (and I doubt there will be), the Kings can pick up a possible rotation player at the 33rd pick this season too.
As far as DeJuan Blair, the Spurs are paying him 1.7 million for this season and next. And Brockman is nowhere near as good as Blair has been. 500K would be breaking the bank for Nessie at this point.
Just because the grass may be greener on the other side doesn’t mean it won’t turn brown come July Mr Ziller.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I meant the grass is brown in Sac^
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Thanks.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You're right
This is a pet thing for me. But I don’t think I’m being unreasonable by arguing that the Kings are a bit short-sighted or lack attention to detail because Petrie basically ignores the second round as a tool. I mean, people love to compare these Kings to Portland and OKC. Look at what Pritchard and Presti have done with the second round. Sure, all the impact players are top-10 picks. But there are good roleplayers on those teams from the second round. And I shant even mention the Spurs, the model of small market success ….
Agreed - I think Petrie's success as a "guru" of young talent
Works against him a bit on this topic. His second round picks have generally been forgettable, which makes you wonder if he doesn’t give it the importance it deserves.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
What do you mean?
Sean Singletary and Patrick Ewing Jr. are so franchise guys. Wherever they are. :P
I love GP, and even his 2nd round record makes me wonder if he doesn’t bother with the 2nd round since it’s impossible to tell who is left on the board by then, and if all your favorite players are gone, then picking anyone will do, because you can cut them for relief.
Do we not have enough player scouts to do an extensive job?
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.
What has Presti done with the 2nd round?
Durant 2nd overall 2007. Green 5th overall 2007. Westbrook 4th overall 2008. Ibaka 24th overall 2008. Harden 3rd overall 2009. Maynor 20th overall. (Sefalosha, Collison and BJ Mullens were tall taken in the 1st round. Nenad Krstic too.)
Kyle Weaver? Kevin Ollie? Seriously? (And Ollie wasn’t a draft pick of OKC’s.)
As far as Portland, Patty Mills, Jeff Pendergraph, ahd Travis Diener are their only non 1st rounders. Of their picks who haven’t come over (Joel Freeland—30th overall 2006, Petteri Koponen 30th overall 2007 and Victor Claver 22nd overall 2009), they are all 1st rounders. I doubt they have 2nd round picks of real value. It isn’t anyone I remember anyway.
I just don’t get this pet of yours. And you shant mention the Spurs because unless Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili (who is the best 2nd round pick ever) and Tony Parker are walking through that door, it’s difficult to say what would happen. Even then Duncan changes the need for a great player. Most teams don’t have that Duncan on their roster. Duncan makes it 800 billion times + 1 to find a role player.
Are the Spurs are a great small town franchise? Yes. But, Tim Duncan makes it all possible. I don’t really know why the Kings should be compared to the Spurs or vice versa.
I respect the Spurs, and this pet you have btw, as an organization. But how Ginobili and Parker were picked will NEVER happen again. The Spurs took advantage of cracks in the system. Something tells me they won’t get so lucky again.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Come on pookey
The kind of sustained excellence San Antonio has exhibited (especially as a small-market team) can’t be accidental.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
Other than Manu Ginobili and Luis Scola name 4 2nd round picks they've had.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Saying "other than Manu Ginobli" and "Luis Scola"
Is kind of like saying “Babe Ruth was an average player without the home runs”. Sure, let’s throw out the examples of good drafting so we can narrow it down to the misses. That makes sense.
And Tony Parker was pretty damn close to a second round pick, considering the draft slot the Spurs got him.
I've got squirrels in my pants!
He was a 1st round pick.
Not a 2nd round pick.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And all that weak ass shit was was an excuse because you know I'm right.
I never said San Antonio has weak or stupid management. They spend a lot of time looking for role players in this past decade BECAUSE THEY HAD A SUPERSTAR.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And that's my point. It's still pointless.
The Spurs have picked in the ENTIRE DECADE. Again, for the most part, they’ve grabbed role players with their picks. When you have a superstar, and gotten lucky several times, this helps.
Anyway this is futile. San Antonio’s management rocks. Geoff Petrie sucks. Put his head on a stick and kill cuz him cuz he didn’t manage to grab Luis Scola and sell him away for some Greek guys name I can’t pronounce.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This argument is stupid. It's stupid on a number of levels in a number of ways for a number of reasons.
Starting with, THE KINGS HAVE NEVER HAD TIM DUNCAN ON THEIR TEAM.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Right
So let’s stop holding the team to a high standard. Why even field a team? They don’t have Tim Duncan, after all.
AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.
It’s okay guys, maybe we can arrange for Petrie to have a scouting trip out here. He can crash on my couch. It won’t take long to put all the 7 foot Virgin Islanders through some drills…
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Absolutely
Tim Duncan or bust.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It's ok
Troy Murphy could be our Tim Duncan
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Oh yes. I forgot to add that.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm so in love with this conversation, you guys don't even understand.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Just cream everywhere. Or do it again since I'm sure you've done it 10 or 15 times again.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Pookey's in a bad mood :(
Little babwies mad now? Who’s an angwy baby? You’s an angwy baby, ohhhh yes you are, litwle baby, yess you are, coochie-coo you angwy little baby, coochie-coo.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
No not in a bad mood. Just don't understand why it's a big deal.
Still don’t.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not even sure what the conversation is about.
Something about second round picks. Eh, whatever. Carlos Boozers and Paul Millsaps don’t grow on trees, no matter how much they may rival one.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Yes how dare the Kings miss on those guys!
Hang Geoff Petrie from a tree by his toenails!
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That's not a weird fetish.
Not at all.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Yeah I'm going to quit now.
Between the wierd fetish of the D-League, criticizing Geoff Petrie to criticize, and the Tim Duncan creamery, this thread has just been jacked up to a whole new level.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Do what you do pookey, I'm just glad "Tim Duncan creamery" is a phrase I didn't come up with.
But I’m very happy it exists.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
I think the cream award goes to ...
“Try our thick creamy shakes!”
by section214
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
I think we're all undervaluing the input
of Gregg Popovich. He created the system that the Spurs have. He probably has the ear of each and every staff member in the org, including the scouting director.
Tanking? I don't know what you're talking about, tanking. I'm just losing more efficiently.
i am not sure about the whole "Tim Duncan Role Player Argument"
but If the difference between the Kings failures and the Spurs success is based on 2 players who were picked in the second round (and one of those players took about 7 years to get into the league) then that is a pretty thin line.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on Apr 22, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Euros, older Euros
where there wasn’t any sure sense they’d even come over.
It was a job well done but with a suspect return.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 22, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Hill was a 1st round pick.
Mason was a FA signing. (Look at his career history. He had played in the NBA and European teams before he went to SA. He was a 2nd round pick. 30th overall in 2003.) Beno was a 1st round pick in 2004. 2 picks after Kevin Martin.
Tiago Splitter, whom I’m assuming you mean by the Brazillian, was also taken in the 1st round.
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He can come over this summer.
The Spurs can offer him the MLE.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
So
were Dragic and that speedy Brazilian drafted FOR the suns? (I know the speedy one was a first rounder.)
It seems like the Spurs have done great with the picks they have had…mostly late 1st rounders, huh?
Yup. They have done incredibly well.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Wait wait wait
Isn’t Tiago bound by the rookie scale even now?
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by lietothegirls on Apr 22, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
No
He’s stayed out of the league long enough that he’s now not bound by it. It’s why he’s been in Europe this whole time.
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Or the fact that he could get paid more by Tau than the Spurs had something to do with it too.
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While true, it's totally besides the point.
The point is: Tim Duncan is awesome.
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Has Tim Duncan beaten out Eric Maynor for supremacy of the universe?
If not, fall back sucka.
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Yes. No. Maybe.
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Round 2 = Existing Contracts
it seems to me that the biggest factor of Round 2 is your existing contracts. If you already have 12+ guys on a roster going into a season – what are the chances of a 2nd round guy being better than an existing player under contract?
unless you have <12 players under contract (including draft picks for that year) there is a 95% that guy is going to get cut without much of a chance. knowing that the gms probably gamble a bit on these because they don’t have much to lose. not sure they value a 2nd round pick anymore than the rookie free agents they bring into training camp.
by Madzillagd on Apr 22, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're right
I’d forgotten Ibaka was a first-round pick. The Thunder have three more seconds this summer, right?
I stand corrected: Presti has not done particularly well in the second round.
My point stands: there is value in the second round, and the Kings under Petrie largely disregard it.
Is it just GP or do the Coaches play a part in who stays?
I’m not a draft historian or even much in Kings historian, but it seems to me that during the Adelman era that Rick didn’t have an interest in playing rookies let alone 2nd rounders. And, every coach since was trying to win games to save their jobs, so playing and developing 2nd rounders wasn’t really on the agenda.
Granted that GP’s main use of 2nd rounders is including them in trades, but the coaches must have had some input into who we drafted, unless no one cared.
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I agree
with Brockman’s salary and how it will be hard for him to ever be a rotational player, but if he stays cheap I love him as an 11th man
Udoka/McGuire
I found it interesting that as the season was winding down, and injuries added up, that McGuire was inserted into the starting lineup before suffering his own injury. I would assume that if Kings brass was trying to gauge what they had with McGuire, they didn’t necessarily need to start him in order to get him some burn. Maybe someone thinks he may be an unpolished gem?
I liked the contributions of Udoka and May over the course of the year, but obviously free agency will determine whether we can afford the luxury of keeping any or all of these players. Hard to imagine we see most of them next season.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
If we let Brock walk...
Will Spencer Hawes start moping aroung like Peja after Vlade left?
Or more importantly, will the Natomas Denny’s ever recover?
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Apr 22, 2010 8:29 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
As much as I like Brockman
and as well as Beno played this year, it is somewhat Beno’s fault that we’re not sitting on Jujuan Blair right now. GP would never have flipped the Sergio R trade if Beno had had a better year last season IMO.
Then again, with Blair on the roster, would we have been sitting on a probable top 3 pick right now? I don’t think so.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 22, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
And who's to say
The wheels don’t fall off Blair early next season? Hindsight is always 20/20. I still think Blair could be a risky long term sign for any team.
by OrangeLazarus on Apr 22, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh ya, I've been on the Blair bandwagon for a while
But I think it made me forget that he doesn’t have any ligaments in his knees. I wonder how long he can keep going.
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 22, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Forever!
He doesn’t have any ligaments to break and thus will be the first player in the NBA with a 30 year career.
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That makes me feel better about Chris Paul's situation
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 22, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think signing Brockman to a new deal will be tough at all
He is always saying how much he loves it in Sacramento. Even at the end of the season when he knew it could be possible he would get offers from another team, he said he want’s to make his home here and loves how everyone here treats him. I think he might be that rare player who would turn down a few extra bucks to stay here. I would be sad to see him go, he has become so sentimental to the team after just one season. It would be even greater if he learned to step up his game in offense, and I definitely believe he has the capability of it after seeing the dunk video.
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 22, 2010 8:56 AM PDT reply actions
brock is a keeper.
for the low cost they can get him, brockman is a definite sign. he’s a class guy, decent on the floor – even better if he can develop a 15 ft shot – and don’t forgot he is a great guy to have in the community.
the kings are trying to sell tickets. if their 11th or 12 guy on the roster is one of the fan favorites and somebody they can march out to every event this side of Dixon that is a huge thing for them. you can’t have justin williams show up at an event and get a couple hundred people out there but you can have the brockness monster show up and they will. not to mention the 100K twitter followers he’s got giving them free press constantly. the guy justifies his salary as a marketing rep without even stepping on the floor.
Brockman is definitely a fan favorite.
Brockman is kinda like a marketing tool for the Kings. He has about 300k Twitter followers and gets paid to put advertisements on his tweets. His popularity is high for being a 2nd round rookie with limited minutes. He’s also the official “tweetreporter” for the NBA for the Jazz-Nuggets series. The man is easy to fall in love with!
by PurpleFever on Apr 22, 2010 10:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There must have been a rationale at the time.
The burly Husky is a free agent because the Kings made the odd decision to sign Brockman to a one-year contract as a second-round pick last summer. Brockman had impressed at Vegas Summer League, and the Kings clearly needed frontcourt help, making Nessie a bit of a no-brainer. But the one-year deal was highly unorthodox.
I doubt whether the decision to sign Brockman was an oversight. It was probably discussed at the time and this was the decision that was made. Perhaps they were only looking to keep Brockman for one season, anticipating that they would get someone else to replace him before next season.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Right
It was a conscious decision. I’m saying it was a bit of a risk that ended up turning out OK because Westphal (Brock’s biggest booster) didn’t play him all that much, and because he missed a few critical weeks with an injury.
If Brockman had played more or excelled during that spell when Thompson was out (during which Brockman was also out), the Kings might have been looking at paying Brockman more than the $760,000 Brockman would no doubt have agreed to for the second season. And there wouldn’t have been risk, because he would have agreed to a team option. (How do I know? Because he signed a 1-year contract at the minimum. He wouldn’t have turned down a second. Players at the margins don’t turn down cash.)
ime, may, that other guy.
while these guys might be class acts from what we’ve seen i have not desire to watch them on the court again, let alone in a kings uni.
i know what ime brings and i’m not impressed. much rather see a young unproven player get a chance on the roster than see ime play. how much better would Omri & Donte be today if you take all the minutes you gave to Ime over the course of the year and gave it to those two. Total waste.
May was an unknown because of his knee and quite frankly he just isn’t athletic enough to play in the nba. seems like a great guy, but he’s slower than oliver miller with less hops. rebounds fell to him rather than him going to get them. being able to knock down at 17 ftr is great but there a lot better overall players out there that can do that and bring more height etc.
Really?
May doesn’t belong in the NBA? That is just silly talk. He may not be part of the Kings future, but he has proven himself capable of playing at the NBA level. Some conditioning this summer and some weight loss and he will be an effective player for the Kings or another team.
Ime is probably a better defender than Donte or Omri, and he has been in the league a while and can share experiences and wisdom. He wasn’t a main cog in the rotation either, there were many games where it said DNPCD by his name. Westphal used Ime when he thought it would be to the Kings advantage. Plus Omri sat out a few games because he was tired, so to say Ime’s minutes were a total waste doesn’t make sense. I think having a tough, solid defender that knows his role and doesn’t cry about limited minutes and doesn’t get paid much on the Kings bench would be a plus.
Then again, in my opinion the Kings should sign Brockman to the max contract. So what the hell do I know?
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by Wrath of Kyle on Apr 22, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
that's one way to look at it.
Ime can’t shoot. Ime is a good defender on shorter wings, but got abused regularly by any wing that was over 6’6 – which is about 1/2 the NBA. he is such a limited player – and the part that gets me is he is not going to get much better – if any at all. he actually digressed from where he was at with other teams.
the guy fills a specific need and you can look to add someone like that if you have a good team with a specific need. the kings need talent – they need to find guys that can do multiple things well and pray they get lucky and find a diamond in the rough on occasion. Ime is not that guy.
As for May. I have nothing against the guy and maybe he’ll be able to sit at the end of someone else’s bench for a 10 year career, but he isn’t going to amount to much as a player. at this point he’s probably better off that he hasn’t played that much because some GM might still think he’s got potential – but when you reach a certain # of years that veteran’s minimum salary starts to climb, team’s would rather take the 7’0 uncordinated guy out of college on the cheap than a 6’9 guy for 3x as much $$ to sit at the end of their bench.
Ime is valuable in many ways.
For example, if the Kings get suckered into a brawl with a drunken Algerian mob, who’s going to step up? Spence? Donté? Plan for contingencies homie.
Shoot, I'm sorry.
I feel like you’ve probably made an in-depth basketball joke here and I just don’t get it. I was referencing this story, which I’m sure you know and were getting all deep and insightful. Right? Either way I don’t get it.
I'd want to keep Sean May - at the right price
He belongs in the NBA
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by lietothegirls on Apr 22, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's more important than Udoka
assuming Cisco, Omri and Donte’ are all still here next season.
Now Noce
(sigh) I hope we can find a home for him
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by lietothegirls on Apr 22, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Im with you
A big body, a smooth shooter, good locker room presence. I think he can contribute a good deal more than he did this year.
There will never be another Kareem.
I hope
to see Brockman and Udoka back.
You need a veteran who is as versatile as Udoka (he can cover 2’s and 3’s and play spot minutes at the 4 in a pinch or going to small ball because he can rebound). A great rebounder for his position a very solid wing defender and a 3pt. threat. You can have worse options at the end of the bench.
And Brockman just all out brings it is a very good rebounder (particularly at the offensive end) and is a prospect again… worse options at the end of the bench.
Best of luck to all the players!
Go Kings!
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Apr 22, 2010 10:47 AM PDT reply actions
If Brockman received all of JTs minutes
we still probably win 25 games. Maybe more. Brockman is smart, fundamentally sound, gives hard fouls, and plays within his limits. JT, not so much. Brockman was instrumental in a couple of comeback rallies after our starting frontline screwed the pooch. A coach can throw him on the floor and know what to expect.
I agree a two year deal around 2 million total seems feasible. If he gets impatient, an unexpected team opens the pocketbook, or he interferes with larger plan to bring in a major free agent or trade asset, he is gonezo. It’d be unfortunate to see him leave.
Also, no idea why the Ime Udoka love. The guy sucks. Shot bricks all year, and fans want him back? Crazy. At least Sean May has a skill set of shooting and passing, and six course meals.
The second round pick this year is #33 in the draft. Not a throw away pick. Petrie needs to capitalize. I’d like to see us go get a lightening fast little PG who can change tempo and shoot the ball. Someone in the mold of an Aaron Brooks or Beaubois. Whomever gets picked at this slot should be talented enough to make the team.
Someone like this:
The second round pick this year is #33 in the draft. Not a throw away pick. Petrie needs to capitalize. I’d like to see us go get a lightening fast little PG who can change tempo and shoot the ball. Someone in the mold of an Aaron Brooks or Beaubois.
How about Quincy Douby?
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 22, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Insert the next "Blank" Chocolate here...
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 22, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
oh god i hate 420
it’s on par with other fake holidays like Earth Day
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 22, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I want Jordan Crawford at 33.
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Kid has cojones
And could become a pretty good 2 guard in this league. I’m basing all this off of the K-St. – Xavier game.
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He might not slip that far
but one can hope everyone else is sleeping.
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My thoughts
are that much of this will be more easy to sort after the draft. For example – if you draft Cousins or Favors, do you really need Hawes / Brockman fighting over backup minutes? Or if we end up with Turner then Udoka becomes expendable. I like the idea of Brockman and Udoka getting QO’s and once the draft and FA “dust” has settled, looking at the remaining holes in the line-up and making solid offers to either of those two (or both, should we be able to afford it.)
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Keep Brock and Ime
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49er16 does have a point. Excellent analysis.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 22, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
You don’t need analysis, just keep them.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
For a minute there i was like "F@#! Brock and Ime, those two can suck it"
and then i read 49er16’s comment “Keep Brock and Ime” and i was like “F@#! yeah, let’s keep Brock and Ime.”
(j/k)
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 22, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, that may happen all too often.
To be the best, you have to do your best. Otherwise, you are only second-rate.
Yeah. Roshambo!
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Petrie in the 2nd round
Following up on the conversation that has taken place, here is a recap of GP’s 2nd round work:
1995 – Lou Roe(30), Tyus Edney(47), Dejan Bodiroga (51). Could have had Eric Snow (43-Mil), Fred Hoiberg (52-Ind).
1996 – Jason Sasser (41). Could have had Malik Rose (44-Chi).
1997 – Anthony Johnson (40). Could have had Stephen Jackson (42-Phx), Mark Blount (54-Sea).
1998 – Jerome James (36). Could have had Rafer Alston (39-Mil), Cuttino Mobley (41-Hou).
1999 – Ryan Robertson (45). Could have had Manu Ginobli (57-SA).
2000 – Jabari Smith (45). Could have had Jason Hart (49-Mil).
2001 – Maurice Jeffers (55). No one of note taken after Jeffers.
2002 – Corsley Edwards (58). No one taken after him.
2003 & 2005 – Picks traded for the draft rights to Darius Songaila.
2004 – Ricky Minard (47). No one of note taken after him.
2006 – Pick traded for Jason Hart.
2007 – Traded for future 2nd round pick.
2008 – Sean Singletary (42), Patrick Ewing, Jr. (43). Players later packaged with Ron Artest for Donté Greene and the pick that would become Omri Casspi. Goran Dragic (45-SA), Bill Walker (47-Was).
My conclusion – Petrie has held his own in the 2nd round, but he does not excel like he does with his 1st round picks.
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by section214 on Apr 22, 2010 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I rember in 04 the Bee was touting Minard as the Kings possible selection at 26 the day before the draft
Where we took Kevin. I thought it was funny we still picked Minard at 47.
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I remember thinking that Minard was going to be better than Martin
Oops.
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I think its tough to say anyone "excels" at picking 2nd rounders
How many teams consistently pick gems from the 2nd round? It’s the 2nd round for a reason.
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San Antonio
has certainly made a bit of a mark with their Euro picks. Aside from that, no one seems to stand out.
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But San Antonio is just great at drafting pretty much everywhere
Especially since they’ve consistently been grabbing late 1st round gems. Still, I think Petrie did a decent job last year with Brockman. He definitely belongs in the NBA because he’s insanely good at something. This year, we have a low enough 2nd rounder we should use it to get someone else who is insanely good at something. My pick is Jordan Crawford or Artsiom Parakhouski, depending on what type of player we draft with our lotto pick.
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a great illustration...
that we haven’t missed out on anything. every year there are 1 or 2 that have had mild success. that isn’t a list of all-stars by any stretch of the imagination. pretty much it is Ginobili & everybody else.
…and of the guys that are list many bounced from place to place because of attitude problems etc. – which tells you they probably weren’t true 2nd round picks talent-wise to begin with – they just fell because they GMs knew they’d probably have problems with them.
Minard = Maynor Beta
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by elfboy_ on Apr 22, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
At best I see the Kings keeping one or two.
They have 9 players under contract next season. Add a 1st & 2nd round pick, and one free agent and that’s a 12 man roster. As Sacto_J pointed out what position those players fill will determine who stays.
Dominic isn’t a three point shooter, hitting 3-10 in 200 games. I don’t think the Kings keep him for defense only, not with 3 SF’s already under contract.
The Kings will probably go with 13 or 14 men next season.
They have 3 SFs under contract; Donte, Omri & Noc
They have 3 Guards; Tyreke, Beno & Cisco
They have 3 PF/Centers; Spencer, JT, & Landry
If they get a top 2 pick we go to 4 guards and probably add a 4th big in free agency.
If we don’t get a top 2 pick we probably add a PF/Center and add a 4th guard in free agency. I don’t put too much importance in the 2nd rounder other that he’ll take up a roster spot while he developes. So, I see the Kings keeping Udoka and either Brockman or May to fill out the roster.
Whether it’s Brockman or May, probably comes down to whether or not the coaching staff believes Brockman can hit his outside shot.
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by HighTops on Apr 22, 2010 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
No importance to the 2nd round Pick!!!!!
Where have you been!!??
Seriously, its a good 2nd rounder, I could see a Vanardo going there.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 22, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
DX has us picking Miroslav Raduljica
I have no comment at this point other than
- ‘Do somthin’ with that one Jerry!’
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by lietothegirls on Apr 22, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Miro Rad-iculous?
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by elfboy_ on Apr 22, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we add another starter with the 1st pick and a very good FA, the 2nd rounder
will be a bench warmer. Or do you believe after all the conversations about the minor impact 2nd rounders have, that GP will find a player that can get more playing time then the 9 people we already have under contract, plus the 1st draft pick and any FA signing?
His importance is that until he’s gotten some experience he’s probably going to be the 12th man off the bench. No one expected Omri to get major playing time as the 23rd pick of the 1st round. I can’t imagine that we get that lucky again with the 33 pick.
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Not an immediate contributor
but a big to develop would be my preferance
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by lietothegirls on Apr 23, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't spent too much time looking at who might be available at 33, but
bigs are always in demand. Again everything depends on need after the draft. If we were lucky enough to get Wall, then definitely.
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Coachie:
Brock has to change the perception of his play and do it himself, and sort of think of himself as a player as opposed to being a gorilla-smasher. He’s very fast, he can shoot and he can dribble, so he’s going to hustle and give you a day’s work all the time. As he thinks of himself as a player, then I think he’ll be alright.
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I am still waiting for those dunks from to dunk off to happen in a game
if he ever does I want him to eat an I-Hop pancake as he goes back to play D. great product placement.
Still waiting for the Euler of basketball to play for the Kings

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